I'm not quite sure if this is where I need to post this but I'll put it here. I shoot shotgun competitions ALOT but have never seriously got into bolt gun competition and would love to do so. I know a few of the basics but I am always wanting to improve on my skills and become a better shooter. Sadly I do not have the money to go to a precision rifle course, which would be amazing. Are there any videos to buy or websites to check out? I'm always on this website and watched many of the youtube videos, I watch LoneWolf's youtube videos as well. They are a great help but I always want more. Magpul has a precision rifle video out that looks good? Any help would much appreciated! Thank you!
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Re: Better marksmanship?
Join the Snipers Hide on line training group. Lots of great info for cheap. However, nothng takes the place of quality instruction and hands on coaching. If you honestly can not afford a few hundred $ for a basic two day course, maybe you should rethink the idea of gettng into precision rifle, because trying to go cheap can be an exercise in frustration and wasted ammo, which isn't cheap. And not getting the results you want or could is not as much fun as realizing progress and success.
How long would you last in shotgun shooting if you missed half your shots or more because you didn't know what you were doing? Would paying someone to teach you what you were missing be worth it?
Join the Snipers Hide on line training group. Lots of great info for cheap. However, nothng takes the place of quality instruction and hands on coaching. If you honestly can not afford a few hundred $ for a basic two day course, maybe you should rethink the idea of gettng into precision rifle, because trying to go cheap can be an exercise in frustration and wasted ammo, which isn't cheap. And not getting the results you want or could is not as much fun as realizing progress and success.
How long would you last in shotgun shooting if you missed half your shots or more because you didn't know what you were doing? Would paying someone to teach you what you were missing be worth it?
Re: Better marksmanship?
Don't let them scare you. You don't need to spend a lot of money learning to shoot. Regardless of what venue you choose you have to get the fundamentals down first.
I really like NRA or better yet ISU Small bore for the fundamentals, but again that's expensive.
Next best thing is NRA Light Rifle or CMP Rimfire sporter. The rules preclude high priced rifles. They are designed to be fired with the 22s most people have in their closet.
CMP Affilated clubs put on Clincis taught by CMG GSM Master Instructors, not only in Vintage Military Rifle but Rimfire Sporters. They are low cost clinics but very good. GSM Master Instructors are taught by Gary Anderson, Olympic Gold Medal winner in ISU.
Also check out the CMP GSM (Garand Springfield, Miliary) matches and clinics. Most have loaner rifles to get you started.
As I said, LOW Cost. I conduct clinics and only charge enough to get my fees to the CMP covered. Thats about 22 dollars spit among all the students.
As far as books. Check out the CMP Bookstore. Start with the AMU International Rifle Marksmanship Guide ($6.95)
Also check out the Service Rifle Guide, and Squad Designated Marksmanship DVD ($6.95)
CMP Book Store
https://estore.odcmp.com/store/catalog/catalog.aspx?pg=catalogList&cat=BKS
The CMP and CMP before that have been mandated by congress to provide marksmanship training the American Citizens since about 1906, funded by sales of surplus rifles and equipment.
Take advantage of it.
Don't let them scare you. You don't need to spend a lot of money learning to shoot. Regardless of what venue you choose you have to get the fundamentals down first.
I really like NRA or better yet ISU Small bore for the fundamentals, but again that's expensive.
Next best thing is NRA Light Rifle or CMP Rimfire sporter. The rules preclude high priced rifles. They are designed to be fired with the 22s most people have in their closet.
CMP Affilated clubs put on Clincis taught by CMG GSM Master Instructors, not only in Vintage Military Rifle but Rimfire Sporters. They are low cost clinics but very good. GSM Master Instructors are taught by Gary Anderson, Olympic Gold Medal winner in ISU.
Also check out the CMP GSM (Garand Springfield, Miliary) matches and clinics. Most have loaner rifles to get you started.
As I said, LOW Cost. I conduct clinics and only charge enough to get my fees to the CMP covered. Thats about 22 dollars spit among all the students.
As far as books. Check out the CMP Bookstore. Start with the AMU International Rifle Marksmanship Guide ($6.95)
Also check out the Service Rifle Guide, and Squad Designated Marksmanship DVD ($6.95)
CMP Book Store
https://estore.odcmp.com/store/catalog/catalog.aspx?pg=catalogList&cat=BKS
The CMP and CMP before that have been mandated by congress to provide marksmanship training the American Citizens since about 1906, funded by sales of surplus rifles and equipment.
Take advantage of it.
Re: Better marksmanship?
Alright thank you guys, and also the cheapest shooting precision rifle courses I've ever seen are around $500 which I can't swing right now (soon to be college student). Although someday I would really love to attend one of the courses. Thanks for all the help!
Alright thank you guys, and also the cheapest shooting precision rifle courses I've ever seen are around $500 which I can't swing right now (soon to be college student). Although someday I would really love to attend one of the courses. Thanks for all the help!
Re: Better marksmanship?
I think it would definaley be worth the 50-60 bucks I think it is to get the Magpul: Art of the Precision Rifle. The instructor Todd is very intellegent with bolt guns. The guy has my respect. I have learned tons from all the magpul videos personally.
I think it would definaley be worth the 50-60 bucks I think it is to get the Magpul: Art of the Precision Rifle. The instructor Todd is very intellegent with bolt guns. The guy has my respect. I have learned tons from all the magpul videos personally.
Re: Better marksmanship?
OP,
Right now you have a perception of what it's all about. It's certain you do not have a basis of understanding to know what sort of training you need. But this much is clear, you need to start with the fundamentals. Do not confuse your ability to execute the two firing tasks with an understanding for how to do it. You do not know what you do not know. Fundamental training will get you off to a good start. You may find that mastery of the fundamentals is all you need for success in any arena of shooting. Kraig told you of some outlets for fundamental instruction. These outlets, supplemented by the manuals Kraig suggested and some practice is a very inexpensive route to becoming a good shooter.
I'm not going to tell you not to get into a precision rifle course but I see folks who would do better starting with the fundamentals. Even if you think you know how to shoot, consider revisiting the fundamentals. I'm sure you'll discover more than a few concepts important to good shooting which, so far, have eluded you.
OP,
Right now you have a perception of what it's all about. It's certain you do not have a basis of understanding to know what sort of training you need. But this much is clear, you need to start with the fundamentals. Do not confuse your ability to execute the two firing tasks with an understanding for how to do it. You do not know what you do not know. Fundamental training will get you off to a good start. You may find that mastery of the fundamentals is all you need for success in any arena of shooting. Kraig told you of some outlets for fundamental instruction. These outlets, supplemented by the manuals Kraig suggested and some practice is a very inexpensive route to becoming a good shooter.
I'm not going to tell you not to get into a precision rifle course but I see folks who would do better starting with the fundamentals. Even if you think you know how to shoot, consider revisiting the fundamentals. I'm sure you'll discover more than a few concepts important to good shooting which, so far, have eluded you.
Re: Better marksmanship?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirtyHarry2029</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it would definaley be worth the 50-60 bucks I think it is to get the Magpul: Art of the Precision Rifle. The instructor Todd is very intellegent with bolt guns. The guy has my respect. I have learned tons from all the magpul videos personally. </div></div>Danger: Danger Wil Robinson!!
Listen to Caylen.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirtyHarry2029</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it would definaley be worth the 50-60 bucks I think it is to get the Magpul: Art of the Precision Rifle. The instructor Todd is very intellegent with bolt guns. The guy has my respect. I have learned tons from all the magpul videos personally. </div></div>Danger: Danger Wil Robinson!!
Listen to Caylen.
Re: Better marksmanship?
Thank you guys very much! I guess I meant to say it in my original post but I am wanting to learn a good solid foundation of fundementals (trigger control, recoil management, etc.). I've shot all my life but mainly just hunting, only recently have I got into "precision rifle shooting" wanting to learn all that I can! Your help is very much appreciated!
Thank you guys very much! I guess I meant to say it in my original post but I am wanting to learn a good solid foundation of fundementals (trigger control, recoil management, etc.). I've shot all my life but mainly just hunting, only recently have I got into "precision rifle shooting" wanting to learn all that I can! Your help is very much appreciated!
Re: Better marksmanship?
Get a nice $200-$300 CZ or Savage .22 and a 10x mil/mil Bushnell 3200, Weaver or Super Sniper scope and 2000rds of .22. Then do either the Snipers Hide Online training (some of the original videos are on YouTube, so go check out those freebies). Or check out Jacobs new Rifles Only Fundamentals video (like $45). It's got lots of great info for new shooters as well as helping more experienced shooters revisit the fundamentals we've let laps in our laziness. It's for sale at Rifles Only website or in the Vendor section is a thread.
Spend time watching the videos and dry firing at home (with snap caps if .22). Then hit the range. You can learn a lot with a .22
Get a nice $200-$300 CZ or Savage .22 and a 10x mil/mil Bushnell 3200, Weaver or Super Sniper scope and 2000rds of .22. Then do either the Snipers Hide Online training (some of the original videos are on YouTube, so go check out those freebies). Or check out Jacobs new Rifles Only Fundamentals video (like $45). It's got lots of great info for new shooters as well as helping more experienced shooters revisit the fundamentals we've let laps in our laziness. It's for sale at Rifles Only website or in the Vendor section is a thread.
Spend time watching the videos and dry firing at home (with snap caps if .22). Then hit the range. You can learn a lot with a .22
Re: Better marksmanship?
Agree with Hawk45 on the .22. Looked down on by some that are uninformed as to their actual accuracy and LR shooting potential but they are an excellent way to learn. Cheap to shoot and will amaze you on how far they can be shot accurately. You'll learn elevation changes and wind calls just like the big bores but will allow you to get more quality range time with less expense than the bigger guns.
Next I'd do some searching and find a few ranges near you where they do conduct matches either with a .22 or LR big bores and go watch and get to know the better shooters. In a few minutes you can pick up so much information from shooters that are usually very willing to help a new shooter get started. This isn't a game that most pick up on immediately, there is a learning curve and equipment curve so you want to not be buying stuff that isn't necessary when you're getting started.
Good luck
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Agree with Hawk45 on the .22. Looked down on by some that are uninformed as to their actual accuracy and LR shooting potential but they are an excellent way to learn. Cheap to shoot and will amaze you on how far they can be shot accurately. You'll learn elevation changes and wind calls just like the big bores but will allow you to get more quality range time with less expense than the bigger guns.
Next I'd do some searching and find a few ranges near you where they do conduct matches either with a .22 or LR big bores and go watch and get to know the better shooters. In a few minutes you can pick up so much information from shooters that are usually very willing to help a new shooter get started. This isn't a game that most pick up on immediately, there is a learning curve and equipment curve so you want to not be buying stuff that isn't necessary when you're getting started.
Good luck
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