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Rifle Scopes Super Sniper vs Falcon Menace

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I know i've already made a few posts on the two scopes, but cant seem to come to a conclusion
The swfa ss 16x42 mil/mil
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The falcon menace 4.5-14x44 mil/mil

I really want a mil/mil variable but love the reviews on the swfa scope. What do you think?
 
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Falcon's are chinese junk, they don't even come close to comparing in quality to the SS's. I would go SS hands down but I dont think you are going to be happy with 16x. That makes for a tiny exit pupil with a 42mm objective and mirage is going to give you problems as well, not to mention FOV. Unless you regarly shoot beyond 1000 yards you will never need more than 10x and it will never give you issues due to mirage or exit pupil. At absolute most I would go with the 12x option but even that may have some mirage on a good hot day, 10x is almost always safe.
 
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I have a Falcon and I think it is pretty competitive. Heck for $300 nothing is touching it. For $600 there probably still is no competition I'm aware of.

The SS scopes are good, but how do you compare 10x fixed to a FFP 4-14x44 with side focus Mil Mil?

If the SS was a 4-12x42 MIL/MIL I would give the edge to the SS scope.

The only flaw with the menace I have that actually bothers me for the low price point it is at is that the reticle is grainy and slightly thick at max power.

The SS 10X I had was an original early version and it was a little less clear than Leupold MKIV or maybe about the same, and had 120MOA of internal adjustment (unbeatable). Very durable in construction (a plus). The only things I wished I could have had? Side focus (this is available for $100 more) and variable power (available for $1000 more in the 5-25 now).

I think a FFP non-HD glass SWFA SS 4-14x42mm for $450 with the standard eyebell focus system would own the competition. Even in 3.5-10x42mm or 4-12x42mm rear focal system for $450 that would be a good deal. The hard pill to swallow with the 10x SS is fixed magnification. That's versatility limiting.




 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Falcon and I think it is pretty competitive. Heck for $300 nothing is touching it. For $600 there probably still is no competition I'm aware of.

The SS scopes are good, but how do you compare 10x fixed to a FFP 4-14x44 with side focus Mil Mil?

If the SS was a 4-12x40 MIL/MIL I would give the edge to the SS scope.

The only flaw with the menace I have that actually bothers me for the low price point it is at is that the reticle is grainy and slightly thick at max power.

The SS 10X I had was an original early version and it was a little less clear than Leupold MKIV or maybe about the same, and had 120MOA of internal adjustment (unbeatable). Very durable in construction (a plus). The only things I wished I could have had? Side focus (this is available for $100 more) and variable power (available for $1000 more in the 5-25 now).

I think a FFP non-HD glass SWFA SS 4-14x40mm for $450 with the standard eyebell focus system would own the competition.



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^this is spot on, exactly what I would say.
 
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So the reticle would be, lets say, to thick to see around a dime at 50 meters? (i also shoot 50m benchrest with the gun im putting it on.
 
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I was looking as the vortex viper hs or 4-16 but funds are not going to allow. I'm getting a falcon 4-14 for my 24" ar. It makes me sad but after 3 years of having this upper I wanna shoot the damn thing.
 
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It's a Chinese scope. If it hasn't failed you either you don't shoot it much or you got extremely lucky. If you don't believe me you can do a search and come up with plenty of results for falcons poor quality. You aren't going to find many failures at all with SS's, you're as likely to have a NF go down as you are a SS. They are very tough and reliable optics.
 
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The SS is limited due to being fixed. But it is a bullet proof design with above average glass at the price. The Falcon has the reputation of it works or it doesn't. SS is backed by outstanding CS, the Falcon not so much.
At the price you are wanting, features are a bad thing, IMHO. It leads to corners being cut in build quality. Or piss poor CS!
If SWFA were to offer a SS variable that has the same features as the Falcon, at the same price, why would it be more robust? Features do cost money...
 
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Im upgrading my 17 benchrest/longrange rimfire rifle.
Right now i have the 4-12x40 nikon prostaff.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">how do you compare 10x fixed to a FFP 4-14x44 with side focus Mil Mil?</div></div>

For the same price, I'd rather have a fixed 10x that will hold up any day over a full-featured FFP scope that is even-money to break.

I broke 2 of 2. My shooting partner broke 1 of 1. If your's hasn't broken yet, you're one of the lucky ones.

Your money.

John
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: billyburl2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If SWFA were to offer a SS variable that has the same features as the Falcon, at the same price, why would it be more robust? Features do cost money... </div></div>

To do that they would have to sacrifice quality which SWFA wouldn't do and taint the SS name which is known for quality scopes. The 3-9 is about the cheapest you're ever going to see a SS variable.

There's a reason the falcon has so many features wrapped up with a cheap price tag, because the quality is seriously lacking.

Quality, features, cost... Pick two because you're never going to have all three, it just isn't possible.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Falcon's are chinese junk, they don't even come close to comparing in quality to the SS's. I would go SS hands down but I dont think you are going to be happy with 16x. That makes for a tiny exit pupil with a 42mm objective and mirage is going to give you problems as well, not to mention FOV. Unless you regarly shoot beyond 1000 yards you will never need more than 10x and it will never give you issues due to mirage or exit pupil. At absolute most I would go with the 12x option but even that may have some mirage on a good hot day, 10x is almost always safe. </div></div>

Agree 100%

Glass clarity is better on the SS, tactile feel to the turrets, return to zero accuracy. IMO the overall build quality on the SS is quite a bit better.
 
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Firstly id like to say ive never used a SS so cannot make a direct comparison. In saying that, i use high end optics at work (S&B, Leupold). I have a Falcon Menace 4-14 on my personal rifle and love it. The turrent adjustments feel good, the glass clarity is crisp and mil/mil adjustments and FFP for that price is awesome. I understand what members are saying about additional features meaning less quality, but having measured adjusment values and ranging back with it, adjustments are correct and consitant.

Sure, there are bad reviews, but also HEAPS of good reviews. FYI,all reasearch i did said the lenses and other parts are all made in japan and the units are quality controlled by a UK company.

I just cant justify spending equivilent $ on a fixed power sccope. But each to their own.
 
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I've had a FM 4-14 for a few years now and I can say my experience with it does not go along with the "Chinese junk" descriptions from other users here. Or, do they really have experience with one? Not that I am emotionally attached to this scope but I have doubts as to how accurate that description is...

They are actually fairly beefy IMO and I still get the impression that it is a lot of scope for the money. It tracks well too.

Also, MANY negative reviews came from what I believe was a 5-25X prototype scope that screwed together.
This has nothing to do with the scope you are considering.

I have cascaded it to my 22 trainer now but I am confident it would handle a more demanding role just fine.

My only experience with a SS was with a 10x HD a few years ago. I sold it here on SH as I was not impressed. I would think that experience would not apply to today's SS scopes though.
 
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Well i was about to pull the trigger on the Falcon Menace 4-14x44 ffp mil/mil myself. After reading this post i will hunt down more reviews first, Thanks for the input.
 
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I had a 10x and 20x SS. Both tracked, both held zero, both had 135 moa of adjustment. If you don't NEED variable (and if you're shooting BR you don't), look into a 20x SS. Yes it limits you, but if you're mainly shooting for accuracy it's fine.
 
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I was impressed with the SS 10x. I also wanted it to be a variable power scope.

I don't see why another $150 couldn't allow SWFA to make the 10x42 into a 4-12x42 without compromising quality. Keep it rear focal, no big deal, but fixed 10x is so 1990.

I recently ran a 3 week course with fixed 10x leupold M3's and it worked out. Past the 600 yard line I would have liked more magnification, but the 10x worked fine out to 800 (as far as we shot).

<span style="font-weight: bold">In 2005 I did a lot of urban work in Samarra Iraq with a 3-9MRT on an SPR. I kept it at 3x most of the time. I think that's the senario where fixed 10x would really feel claustrophobic.</span>

Ironically as I read this I see an SWFA ad for a 12x42 mil mil. Somehow that is more attractive than a fixed 10. Maybe an angle mounted red dot would solve the problem of no variable power for short range engagements. The only remaining flaw would be no low power for low light work.

I've historically owned 3 3.5-10x40 Leupolds, 1 3-9x32MRT (now they call it a 2.5-8 or something), 2 1.5-5 SPRs, 1 1-4 IOR, 1 1-4 USO, 2 ACOGS, 1 10xSS, 1 4-14x44Falcon, 1 4-16x56mm Springfield Armory 2nd gen, and 1 USO 3.2-17x44. <span style="font-weight: bold">From a financial perspective I think a $450 4-12x42mm Mil/Mil rear focal SS scope would have probably replaced those 3 3.5-10x Leupolds, so that would have been 3 more SS scopes I would have purchased. </span>

The SS 10x and 2 4x acogs are the fixed scopes on that list.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2/1_Kiwi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

FYI,all reasearch i did said the lenses and other parts are all made in japan and the units are quality controlled by a UK company.

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I'm not sure where you heard that but it isn't correct. The parts are Chinese and supposedly they are assembled in the UK. I'm not sure if anybody honestly knows where they're assembled but the parts are most definitely sourced from china.
 
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I've owned both and would go with the SS, no question.
 
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Bmx24 has either had a bad Falcon experience or is just talking out his ass with no actual experience. The Falcon is a solid scope for the money. Mine has 2000+ 308 rounds through it out to a mile. Tracks back to zero ( the same zero I set 2000 rounds ago) and clicks are spot on as far as I can shoot. The trade off is not quality of glass (when I spoke with them directly, they use Japanese glass, not Chinese), but CLARITY of glass. I holds up well. I am picking up an SS 5-20 HD here in a bit, but the Falcon will move to my target AR upper to continue its incredibly useful life.
 
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Yep I'm sure I got the only 4 bad falcons out there. lol

Do a little research, there are plenty of other people with the same experience as I had. If you think they are made with Japanese parts your a fool, but don't take my word for it. Check out Blackhawk and primary arms, they both have scopes that look identical to the falcon that are also made in china. There is no doubt that at the very least the parts come from china and people have confirmed it, there's no secret about it.
 
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I had a Falcon that has seen heavy use, was on 4 different guns, with no problems at all. Only reason I sold it was because buddy needed a scope, and my Falcon was not sitting around not on any gun. Only reason I did not keep the Falcon is because it was not Gucci-approved like NightForce is.

I don't know how you call Falcon "Chinese Junk" and not Supersnipers. Both are probably made in the same factory
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I had a Falcon Menace. It wouldn't track to save its life. I retrurned it and just didn't trust it. I have several SS scopes and have never had an issue with any of them.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You couldn't be more wrong, SS's are made in japan. </div></div>

They are shipped from Japan, and maybe even assembled in Japan. You and I have no idea where all the little components are made though. Tasco has many optics made in China.

I had a buddy who had a Tasco Supersniper, and it appears no different than the SWFA SuperSniper I currently own. Tasco is a company that makes many scopes and binoculars, even third party scopes and Binos. I would not doubt it if Tasco still made SS scopes, just that they relabeled them SWFA SS, and gave SWFA exclusivity to the line.

You though can believe anything you want, because what is most important here is a good nights sleep, and you have to tell yourself whatever it is so you can sleep better at night.
 
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Supposedly the SS 10x Tasco was Japanese made, (this was the marketing info). I had one and it was probably identical to the current models. They certainly look the same.
 
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Tasco never made any scopes, anywhere. They had other manufacturers build scopes for them. And I guarantee that tasco has absolutely nothing to do with anything on the SS line anymore! They are made in Japan, and have enough parts that are from Japan to be labeled as made in Japan. While I am no expert on Japanese export and import law, I do know enough about ours that country of origin must marked plainly.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: billyburl2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tasco never made any scopes, anywhere. They had other manufacturers build scopes for them. And I guarantee that tasco has absolutely nothing to do with anything on the SS line anymore! They are made in Japan, and have enough parts that are from Japan to be labeled as made in Japan. While I am no expert on Japanese export and import law, I do know enough about ours that country of origin must marked plainly. </div></div>

really, and how is this enforced? How would anyone even know?
 
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Here is my thinking if I was going to sell to Americans:

- Make scopes in China
- Ship scoped to Japan to put them in pretty boxes
- Add some BBQ rub to the scope box
- Label box and scope "Made in Japan"

Ship scopes to America, and have people on forums defend my scopes when someone else claims "they might be made in china".

MARKETING BABY!!!!
 
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Well fortunately for you you don't make scopes because you would be in jail if you did that.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's a Chinese scope. If it hasn't failed you either you don't shoot it much or you got extremely lucky.</div></div>

Hmmmm.

Well I can tell you that I generally have pretty shitty luck, and I like to think I shoot more than the average Joe since I do it for work AND play.

I still managed to keep a Falcon alive for several thousand rounds on bolt actions and semi-autos. (it's still going and now back on the original 700 it started on).

It's nowhere near the quality of say a SWFA SS 5-20x, Vortex Razor or even a Bushnell Elite Tactical. However it's far from junk. In fact the match that paid for my USO was won with the Falcon.
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I have a Falcon 4-14.
The glass is surprisingly good for the price, the adjustments crisp and repeatable (you do have to relube the o rings with silicone spray lube), it is FFP, mil/mil and has a superior reticle to the SS.

Is the SS a higher quality scope?
I, personally believe so. But it is fixed power and the glass is not as good as that found on a falcon.

One only has to look at Sightron to discover where the SS most likely comes from.
http://www.sightron.com/index.php?action=view_document&did=1201816362&cat_id=6&id=151

This is a good thing, as Sightron is a high quality, Japanese manufacturer of riflescopes.
 
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Primary Arms - new contender

This $229 PA scope looks like it might have a lot in common with the Falcon.

The reticle on my falcon has 10MOA under the crosshair and looks like a TMR, but the $229 price here is hard to argue with.

Maybe it provides a lower risk threshold for people who feel like the Falcon may not live up to expectations for $300.
 
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forgot to add that Falcon has a new limited lifetime warranty
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: billyburl2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tasco never made any scopes, anywhere. They had other manufacturers build scopes for them. And I guarantee that tasco has absolutely nothing to do with anything on the SS line anymore! They are made in Japan, and have enough parts that are from Japan to be labeled as made in Japan. While I am no expert on Japanese export and import law, I do know enough about ours that country of origin must marked plainly. </div></div>

really, and how is this enforced? How would anyone even know? </div></div>

Ultimately, unless you personally watch them being built somewhere, you will have to trust someone along the way. If you are sufficiently paranoid to not trust anyone ever, you will have to track down everything you purchased wherever it is made and personally witness it being built.

In the case of SWFA SS scopes (of which I own a few), I have talked to both the importer/retailer (SWFA) and the company who makes the scopes for them in Japan.

Last time I had both in the same spot, we were having dinner during SHOT in Vegas.

I have VERY high confidence that these scopes are built in Japan.

ILya
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well fortunately for you you don't make scopes because you would be in jail if you did that. </div></div>

Why would I be in jail for AWESOME marking that people fall for? Not like I am lying.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ILya</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: billyburl2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tasco never made any scopes, anywhere. They had other manufacturers build scopes for them. And I guarantee that tasco has absolutely nothing to do with anything on the SS line anymore! They are made in Japan, and have enough parts that are from Japan to be labeled as made in Japan. While I am no expert on Japanese export and import law, I do know enough about ours that country of origin must marked plainly. </div></div>

really, and how is this enforced? How would anyone even know? </div></div>

Ultimately, unless you personally watch them being built somewhere, you will have to trust someone along the way. If you are sufficiently paranoid to not trust anyone ever, you will have to track down everything you purchased wherever it is made and personally witness it being built.

In the case of SWFA SS scopes (of which I own a few), I have talked to both the importer/retailer (SWFA) and the company who makes the scopes for them in Japan.

Last time I had both in the same spot, we were having dinner during SHOT in Vegas.

I have VERY high confidence that these scopes are built in Japan.

ILya </div></div>


I am not too worried where they are made, as long as it works. I think the Falcon Menace is a great scope for the price, no scope even comes close for the value.

"If it works for you, that is because you don't work your gear hard like I do" -- A common quote I hear on gun forums.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ILya</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: billyburl2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tasco never made any scopes, anywhere. They had other manufacturers build scopes for them. And I guarantee that tasco has absolutely nothing to do with anything on the SS line anymore! They are made in Japan, and have enough parts that are from Japan to be labeled as made in Japan. While I am no expert on Japanese export and import law, I do know enough about ours that country of origin must marked plainly. </div></div>

really, and how is this enforced? How would anyone even know? </div></div>

Ultimately, unless you personally watch them being built somewhere, you will have to trust someone along the way. If you are sufficiently paranoid to not trust anyone ever, you will have to track down everything you purchased wherever it is made and personally witness it being built.

In the case of SWFA SS scopes (of which I own a few), I have talked to both the importer/retailer (SWFA) and the company who makes the scopes for them in Japan.

Last time I had both in the same spot, we were having dinner during SHOT in Vegas.

I have VERY high confidence that these scopes are built in Japan.

ILya </div></div>


I am not too worried where they are made, as long as it works. I think the Falcon Menace is a great scope for the price, no scope even comes close for the value.

"If it works for you, that is because you don't work your gear hard like I do" -- A common quote I hear on gun forums. </div></div>

I was distinctly unimpressed with the Falcon scopes I have seen, but it has been a little while. Perhaps, they have improved over time.

I will say this: I have not yet seen a Chinese-made FFP scope that is worth buying. That does not mean there isn't one out there, but I most certainly have not seen it.

ILya
 
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The application is going to play pretty big into the choice.

Some applications need variable power. Some probably need hell and back durability. So both scopes have a place.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well fortunately for you you don't make scopes because you would be in jail if you did that. </div></div>

Why would I be in jail for AWESOME marking that people fall for? Not like I am lying. </div></div>

You're as clueless about trade and import laws as you are optics.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Some applications need variable power. Some probably need hell and back durability. So both scopes have a place.</div></div>

If you need "hell and back durability" you got to pay to play.

I have not seen anything under the $1K price point that I feel would qualify. Compromises have to be made somewhere. The reality is the guy buying a $300 scope is most likely not going to be jumping it into a combat zone.
 
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I've had my new SS 12x42 to the range twice, last time today, and I love it.
There was slight mirage on a 73' F day at the 100 yard range. It didn't bother me at all but I should mention it was there just a wee bit, I could see it close to ground but not up at the target. The Mil-Quad Reticle ROCKS!!! The turrets are stout and have a quality robust feel and nice audible clicks, easy to set zero too. All in all this one is very well built. I have a variable for the field I use on same rifle, a USO 1.8-6. I got the SS just for range work so it suits me fine in this role.
 
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As i already stated, the scope will be used on a 17 hmr for 50 meter benchrest and the occasional rabbit/prairie dog.
 
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I have several Super Snipers. As to te differences between the Tasco and SWFA Super Snipers I wrote an article on that long ago. If you really care google Mike Miller Super Sniper Review. It will tell you the differences between early Tasco, late POS Tasco and the very good for the money Super Snipers by SWFA. Just a side note the US Military has used many of the SWFA 10x fixed Super Snipers in Iraq and they have held up well.


Its hard to compare a fixed power scope to a varible as both have far different roles and scope of use. I used a fixed 10x Leupold Ultra for Urban Sniper Role for a couple of decades and that is because during that time the varibels where not durable enough for my use. Now many varibels are out there that will do the hard duty but alias the Falcons I have used are not durable enough for real use.

Now for range and target shooting I use Falcons on a few rifles where I did not wnat to spend much. They have held up fairly well but not in same class as the fixed or varible Super Snipers.

Originally when SWFA brought out the very good varibel, they told me they had plans for a lower end varible but I have not followed up to see if its still in the works.

SWFA is a good Texas owned family company. Very good folks and they bring things out as there business plan and funds allow. I commend them.

Falcon has alot of promise and if quality control could be fixed I think they would get a giant foothold in scope community, but I have seen too many go down to ever use one for real world use. I would take the fixed 10x Super Sniper over a Falcon anyday if it was on a rough tough rifle.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well fortunately for you you don't make scopes because you would be in jail if you did that. </div></div>

Why would I be in jail for AWESOME marking that people fall for? Not like I am lying. </div></div>

You're as clueless about trade and import laws as you are optics. </div></div>

It seems you know a lot about import/export laws? Can I ask you some questions?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ILya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ultimately, unless you personally watch them being built somewhere, you will have to trust someone along the way. If you are sufficiently paranoid to not trust anyone ever, you will have to track down everything you purchased wherever it is made and personally witness it being built.

In the case of SWFA SS scopes (of which I own a few), I have talked to both the importer/retailer (SWFA) and the company who makes the scopes for them in Japan.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Last time I had both in the same spot, we were having dinner during SHOT in Vegas.</span>

I have VERY high confidence that these scopes are built in Japan.

ILya </div></div>

ILya,

The sushi was most excellent.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have several Super Snipers. As to te differences between the Tasco and SWFA Super Snipers I wrote an article on that long ago. If you really care google Mike Miller Super Sniper Review. It will tell you the differences between early Tasco, late POS Tasco and the very good for the money Super Snipers by SWFA. Just a side note the US Military has used many of the SWFA 10x fixed Super Snipers in Iraq and they have held up well.


Its hard to compare a fixed power scope to a varible as both have far different roles and scope of use. I used a fixed 10x Leupold Ultra for Urban Sniper Role for a couple of decades and that is because during that time the varibels where not durable enough for my use. Now many varibels are out there that will do the hard duty but alias the Falcons I have used are not durable enough for real use.

Now for range and target shooting I use Falcons on a few rifles where I did not wnat to spend much. They have held up fairly well but not in same class as the fixed or varible Super Snipers.

Originally when SWFA brought out the very good varibel, they told me they had plans for a lower end varible but I have not followed up to see if its still in the works.

SWFA is a good Texas owned family company. Very good folks and they bring things out as there business plan and funds allow. I commend them.

Falcon has alot of promise and if quality control could be fixed I think they would get a giant foothold in scope community, but I have seen too many go down to ever use one for real world use. I would take the fixed 10x Super Sniper over a Falcon anyday if it was on a rough tough rifle. </div></div>

Mike,

You must stop calling them Super Sniper, that name is the intellecual property of tasco and we've never cared for it. All of our branding and marketing is now geared toward SS.

Here is a teaser for you.

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