Win. Model 70 build/help

[Maverick26]

Hey guys,
I have not really got a chance to start my own thread and say hello yet but I have been lurking for a little while now reading as much as I can. I am just starting out in extending range and dialing in the precision of my shooting and I find it extemely fun. I have just completed building an AR platform SPR style gun so my next project is a bolt rig.

My plan is, take my existing 1968 Winchester Model 70 in .300 WM that is in compete factory condition and modern it up a bit. I have a Manners MSC-T2A stock ordered for it and that is as far as I have got.

I live a few blocks from Benchmark Barrels so I plan on having them do the work of building the new barrel as they did for my SPR that I am very happy with. I am really liking the idea of a shorter more portable rifle for hunting so I think we are gonna go with a 22" barrel in a Rem. varm. taper. Flutted for weight reduction. Im sure they will true up the bolt and action aswell as needed. Optics are up in the air but something like a NF NXS 5.5x22 will be purchased.

This rifle will be my only bolt gun I own for now so I want it to be my all around hunting deer and elk, but be able to take a long shot at an animal or steel for run if I want. I have no reloading gear and planned on running the FGMM 190g for now.

Im younger then most but smart enough to get myself into trouble, so if I am going off on the wrong path help me out. This is a tight budget build so Im trying to keep everything down to the needs.

Thanks all!

 

[turbo54]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

That's a heavy barrel, especially for a hunting rig. Perhaps consider something lighter? I'm a big fan of the Palma contours.

 

[Alabama556]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

Get a 1 piece bottom metal from pacific tool and gauge. You will not regret it.

 

[Maverick26]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: egraham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a 1 piece bottom metal from pacific tool and gauge. You will not regret it. </div></div>

Will this fit in the factory location? I ordered the Manners stock for a factory bottom metal. Ill look.

Edit: So it looks like it will fit a factory type setup so what is the point of replacing one hinged floor plate with another? Also what one is better to go with? Aluminum? SS? or Steel?

 

[Maverick26]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's a heavy barrel, especially for a hunting rig. Perhaps consider something lighter? I'm a big fan of the Palma contours. </div></div>

Well that was the balancing act that I chose to do I guess. I picked a shorter stiffer barrel instead of a 26" #6 that we had originally thought of. I figure this will not be my last gun I build either. It so hard to pick all the right things when you try to build a gun to do it all. Im going to try the 22" rem. varm. flutted for now and see if I like hunting with it. Lucky for me most of our hunting is in eastern Montana with a lot more driving and long range shots then hiking the mountains.

 

[Alabama556]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

My winchesters all had the 2 piece bottom metal with 3 screws. I went with steel over aluminum for durability. If yours already has the 1 piece then maybe you can skip that step.

 

[LRJammer]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

I used a 22" fluted medium palma on my FN actioned 260. It balances perfectly but not so short as to have an apreciable effect on velocity.

+1 on the PT&G floorplate. The Williams is a better product but is twice the price. If they havent started your stock yet, you can probably get them to change the bottom metal profile.

 

[Maverick26]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

Very well then, I understand now. Thanks for the info on the BM. Yes the factory one is 2 piece/3 screws. Ill call Manners Monday and see if they can make some changes. They just love hearing from me anyway cause I am always changing my mind.

Few more questions about the details. As far as the scope base for the top of the action, I am assuming 1 piece but there are so many options. Blackhawk and Evolution Gun Works both make one for the Win LA and are around $60 (cheap). The NF one is around $130. Not sure if Seekins makes one for the 70. Just trying to see what I can get away with if anything.

 

[LRJammer]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Maverick26</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Very well then, I understand now. Thanks for the info on the BM. Yes the factory one is 2 piece/3 screws. Ill call Manners Monday and see if they can make some changes. They just love hearing from me anyway cause I am always changing my mind.

Few more questions about the details. As far as the scope base for the top of the action, I am assuming 1 piece but there are so many options. Blackhawk and Evolution Gun Works both make one for the Win LA and are around $60 (cheap). The NF one is around $130. Not sure if Seekins makes one for the 70. Just trying to see what I can get away with if anything. </div></div>

The EGW works fine if you are worried about weight (aluminum), if not, you are better off getting a steel unit. They are more expensive but like anything, you get what you pay for.

 

[Maverick26]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

Thanks guys for all the help.

Im sure there will be more questions in the future, I will bump this thread up as I start to work on the rifle.

Also, just ran some numbers for weight just to get a rought idea. I came up with 11.5 lbs with glass but I guessed on the action weight and I am missing a few small things like scope rings and base. I dont see why I could not get it done sub 13 lbs for sure.

 

[Maverick26]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

Does anyone have a model 70 action with bolt in it that they could weigh for me? Even a factory model 700 action would get me close to the idea of what these actions weigh.

Thanks.

 

[LRJammer]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

I dont have a bare action handy but if memory serves me correctly, a short action weighs in right at 2.5 lbs.

 

[RTH1800]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

22" 300 Win mag? Very bad idea. You are likely better with the rifle as is. At least barrel wise. I doubt you will improve much at all by "moderning it up". What is wrong with it now? That should be a good rifle unless shot out.

 

[blksno]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Maverick26</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As far as the scope base for the top of the action, I am assuming 1 piece but there are so many options. Blackhawk and Evolution Gun Works both make one for the Win LA and are around $60 (cheap). The NF one is around $130. Not sure if Seekins makes one for the 70. Just trying to see what I can get away with if anything. </div></div>

I decided to go "inexpensive" and order an EGW for mine and returned it IMMEDIATELY. Probably not anything wrong with it per say, but not as rugged as I was expecting.

Bit the bullet and bought a Badger 20MOA one piece rail, and promptly ordered another for my second build. VERY worth it.

IMO, the recoil lug on the optic mount (especially for a magnum build) is a "should have" if not "BETTER have"...maybe not quite "MUST HAVE"

 

[Maverick26]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rth1800</div><div class="ubbcode-body">22" 300 Win mag? Very bad idea. You are likely better with the rifle as is. At least barrel wise. I doubt you will improve much at all by "moderning it up". What is wrong with it now? That should be a good rifle unless shot out. </div></div>

Why do you say this? I am open to all ideas right now, Im not locked into anything yet so please provide some good reading for me. Im still learning on all this so please help.

Thanks.

 

[Maverick26]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LRJammer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dont have a bare action handy but if memory serves me correctly, a short action weighs in right at 2.5 lbs. </div></div>

Thanks, I found a thread on LongRangeHunter that said a Remington BDL LA with bolt, BM, and fire controls weighs 2lbs 7oz, so that is very close.

 

[RTH1800]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

Sir,
The 22" 300 Win mag will lose a huge amount of velocity, make a very loud boom and shoot flame for 15 feet, visiable in low light. 24" should be the minimium for a case of that size. 26 is standard, and rightfully so.
Otherwise, your rifle should be fine as it. Good stock, good trigger. If the bore is good, just shoot it.
JMO

 

[Maverick26]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

Ya I know all about that. This has been the hardest thing for me to settle on for this gun. The factory barrel is showing signs of being shot out. It does not hold a good group at all even with FGMM ammo (4-5" group at 100). So I want to build it into an accurate longer range hunting gun. I may push it out to a 24" just to help with the velocity loss a bit.

Aside from all that, my uncle has a 300 wm with a 22" barrel and he is shooting his hand loads through it and is seeing close to 2950 MV. I know he is shooting a 180g TTSX but im not sure of the load beyond that.

Velocity can be adjusted for but I would like to have enough energy to take an elk within 600 yards. So yes, there is a balance for sure.

 

[Maverick26]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

Well, time to bring this up to the top cause I am slowly making some progress on this project. The Manners MCS-T2A showed up today! Wow that is one nice stock, its like laying on a nice couch when you are behind this thing. Love it! Thanks to all the folks at Manners for doing good work!

Next step is to get the old barreled action down to Benchmark Barrels and let them do some work.

More to come on this after I get back from a 2 week hunting trip in Montana.

 

[Twist Fast]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

Build for balance/handling and the rest will fall into place. A 22" 300Winny will lose dick for velocity,compared to a 24" and a 26" is the last route I'd go...if only because I've had them all.

I'd keep the barrel un-fluted,as that length/contour will balance nicely in the new handle,as well as help fend felt recoil. None of which are concessions.

Spend the fluting money on powder and bullets,as they'll bear more fruit.

 

[mwhite]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Maverick26</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys,
I have not really got a chance to start my own thread and say hello yet but I have been lurking for a little while now reading as much as I can. I am just starting out in extending range and dialing in the precision of my shooting and I find it extemely fun. I have just completed building an AR platform SPR style gun so my next project is a bolt rig.

My plan is, take my existing 1968 Winchester Model 70 in .300 WM that is in compete factory condition and modern it up a bit. I have a Manners MSC-T2A stock ordered for it and that is as far as I have got.

I live a few blocks from Benchmark Barrels so I plan on having them do the work of building the new barrel as they did for my SPR that I am very happy with. I am really liking the idea of a shorter more portable rifle for hunting so I think we are gonna go with a 22" barrel in a Rem. varm. taper. Flutted for weight reduction. Im sure they will true up the bolt and action aswell as needed. Optics are up in the air but something like a NF NXS 5.5x22 will be purchased.

This rifle will be my only bolt gun I own for now so I want it to be my all around hunting deer and elk, but be able to take a long shot at an animal or steel for run if I want. I have no reloading gear and planned on running the FGMM 190g for now.

Im younger then most but smart enough to get myself into trouble, so if I am going off on the wrong path help me out. This is a tight budget build so Im trying to keep everything down to the needs.

Thanks all!</div></div> U have a 1968 winchester mod 70 rifle, dude u have got a vintage,,, piece of history there, if it was me i would rebarrel it only if the the barrel is shot out and put it back just like it was,, buts thats just me

 

[Twist Fast]

Re: Win. Model 70 build/help

A transition '68 PF,is hardly a Pearl.