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F T/R Competition Camp Pendelton 1000 yard match

diego-ted

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This being my first match at this range, I must say it was quite the challenge. A heck of a lot different from target shooting on the mountain. The wind at Pendleton is a bear to get a read on. I have been spoiled; here you are under the hot sun in the dirt dodging red fire ants and scorpions. The mirage was the worst I have ever encountered. My scores were dismal. But I had a good time, I will be back!

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Yeah, 117A is one of the toughest ranges I've ever shot at, if you can shoot well there, you can shoot well anywhere
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: diego-ted</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This being my first match at this range, I must say it was quite the challenge. A heck of a lot different from target shooting on the mountain. The wind at Pendleton is a bear to get a read on. I have been spoiled; here you are under the hot sun in the dirt dodging red fire ants and scorpions. The mirage was the worst I have ever encountered. My scores were dismal. But I had a good time, I will be back!

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I'm the guy shooting in the foreground. Didn't know I was being photographed...I would've tried for a more dramatic pose (LOL). You're right about the wind, it was pretty vicious yesterday. The positive thing is that it was a very good opportunity to work on the wind-reading skills. Both flags and mirage were correlating very well with the changes (for me at least), which doesn't always seem to be the case at Range 117. Of course, the 30 minute break in firing for relay 3 during the 3rd match while they put out a fire somewhere else on the base was a little distracting. Fortunately, I had no problems with ants or scorpions. Anyhow, it's a real privilege to shoot at Camp Pendleton and I always have a great time shooting at the Santa Margarita Gun Club matches.
 
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gstaylorg, from the looks of the scores you didn't do too bad. How did your score compare to prior matches?

Ted
 
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The wind this past weekend was the worst I've yet encountered at Range 117, by a pretty large margin. Compared to the previous LR match there at the end of May, I dropped 25 more points and and quite a few more Xs this past weekend. Looking over the all the scores, that seems to be the case across the board. I started shooting SMGC matches at the two Camp Pendleton ranges this past January, so I'm still learning a lot about the changing conditions at both 117 and 103 every time I shoot. It's good experience, but it's a far cry from the range where I shot competitions in Nebraska, which was relatively sheltered from the wind.

My guess is that the hotter temps at this time of year promote much stronger wind conditions than we saw earlier in the year. The winds in previous matches from late January through June seemed to me to be pretty twitchy direction-wise, but not so strong velocity-wise as this past weekend. Anyhow, I'm enjoying shooting in these matches quite a bit, wind or no. It's a great group of folks and if you enjoyed this past weekend, you should try and come out to as many as possible. I believe the next match I'll attend is the 3x600 match at Range 103 near the end of August. There was another pair of LR matches the first weekend of September, but they've been taken off the list possibly until/unless a new LR Match director is named, although I'm not sure. Anyhow, I hope you had fun and look forward to seeing you at more matches.
 
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2nd on the dramatic poses, I was the kid who came out to observe. And all that did was leave my dying to waste 60 rounds at South Bay the next day. I signed up for the 600 yard match next weekend, and had my first today at SB in the 300 yard reduced F class. How would you say a 405-2x out of 45 rounds is starting out, and what would be a good score to shoot for at 600? I had some issues with mirage and being able to see where my impacts were on the shoot-n-c's with the mirage, and hopefully some better glass will change that. I have no dope past 300, and am aiming to better 540 if I can. Any advice on preparing for the match, and what to focus on/forget about while doing so?
 
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It's really hard to say how you might do without knowing what you'll be running in the matches, or how the wind will be. Wilcox range is like several football fields long and very open from west to east. Seems like this time of year the wind shifts can be pretty dramatic (like 8-14 mph shifts of 180 degrees every third or fourth shot).

My suggestions for the match would be first to know your muzzle velocity for the load you intend to shoot as accurately as you can. Then you can plug the numbers into JBM Ballistics (online) and get a pretty good drop estimate for 600 yd with your setup. Just check to make sure the JBM values pretty closely match what you already know is your drop at 300 yd. With a decent MV value, there's no reason you should be off the target on your first sighter at 600 yd in terms of elevation. Then you can use the shot marker to get dialed in where you want to be. Remember that there are unlimited sighters in the first match. Realistically (time-wise) this means you could maybe get off 10-12 sighters or so and still have plenty of time to get your 20 shots in for score.

As far as windage on the first shot, you can leave most of your input data constant at JBM and use increasing wind velocity to see how far it will deflect your shots at 600 yd. I or anyone else at the match will be happy help you to estimate wind speed before your first time at the line if you need it. The main thing is to get on with your first sighting shot so that you can use the shot marker to dial it in before shooting for record. If you're completely off the target, obviously that makes it much more difficult to get dialed in.

So back to scoring...405/450 is exactly 90%. At 600 yd, the top shooters will likely do quite a bit better than that unless the wind is really nasty. But a 90% may well not have put you in last place either. However, you really shouldn't be too concerned about scores. Come out, have a good time, and you'll definitely learn some things that will help you do better the next time. IMO, the main thing is to enjoy the experience, especially your first time out. Everyone is very friendly and will try to help new shooters, so don't be too concerned. Just come on out and get started, I think you'll enjoy it.

The wind is the major challenge to shooting a good score at Camp Pendleton, so a spotting scope that can be placed next to you where you can easily look through it between shots will help you see wind changes via the mirage. It's an extremely useful technique in addition to just looking at the wind flags, which don't always read true, or can be slow to reveal sudden changes.

As far as other things, it will likely be pretty warm next Sunday, so bring plenty of fluids, sunscreen, ear/eye protection, a cap of some sort with a brim (protects you from getting hit in the face by a shot marker spindle when pulling targets...it definitely can happen!). Also, bring any food items you may want to snack on during the match. You're probably already familiar with all the other stuff you normally use to shoot (mat, data book, ammo/box, etc.). If you have a cart of some kind, bring it because you have to haul everything you bring quite a ways from the parking lot to the firing line.

Hope that helps and I look forward to shooting with you next week. Good luck!
 
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Sounds good, and that's kind of what I've been doing. I have the JDM app on my phone, and it's given me good corrections consistently to 300 yards, so I planned to use that for my elevation, and I took the data from it and made a modified wind-wheel flash card based off of a book on wind reading I picked up at Creedmoor Sports, where I put the physical indicators on rings (wind felt on face, leaves rustling, paper blowing, dirt kicking up) and then at 30, 60, and 90 degrees wrote the number of clicks needed based off of the correction from JBM at the median windspeed for whatever estimation factor correlated with the respective ring, if that made sense. I thought I'd give that a try to see if it worked, and if not scrap it. I'm going to try to get a little practice down at South Bay this week a couple days if I can. I had a lot of fun just watching last time, and enjoyed the match yesterday, but old competitive habits are still burning in me. But the learning is most of the fun.
 
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Sunday was a long hot windy day...that is for sure. I did well enough to get 3rd overall for F-class with my new rifle and shooting the Hornady 178gr match in that wind. Next Sunday will be intresting to see what it does.
 
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just how far is it from the parking area to the fireing line?

thx Ted
 
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Couple or three hundred yards maybe??? Farther than you want to carry and/or make several trips if you happen to bring a lot of stuff to the match.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, 117A is one of the toughest ranges I've ever shot at, if you can shoot well there, you can shoot well anywhere </div></div>
That's you smack dab in the middle, huh?. And that looks like Randy on your left and Al is scoring for RT.
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