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Official (DTA) SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Biff, they have already "tooled up." The pad I want, DTA designed and had on some rifles at SHOT. I'm VERY HAPPY to get official response on the issue.

You say you don't have a problem, and then tell me you aren't shooting the very bullet that I describe gives the problem.

Comparing 50bmg recoil to 338 is also pointless. The two cartridges have very different recoil. The 50 being more of a "push" and the 338 being more of a "punch."

As for your suggestion for aftermarket options. I don't feel like having a $5000 rifle and having to buy something from someone else that should have already been there. Do you?

In any event, DTA says its coming and I'm to be patient... so I'll try to be patient for a bit longer. I'm still going to howl about it until they get them ready though.
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Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

RMW is correct in suggested to get just the .338 can because you can shoot it on both calibers and don't have to buy another.

Pharoh1,
just got done shooting 1500 yard accuracy groups today with the 338LM and have a big goose egg on my collar bone again. Wive is starting to think it is sexy though so I may have to endure the pain on her behalf.
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Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

The masochists among us will still be able to physically damage themselves by shooting 338 with the stiff pad, while the sane among us will be able to take advantage of the new one! Are we talking a few weeks, or are we talking more months?

How'd the 1500yd groups turn out?
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pharoh1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Biff, they have already "tooled up." The pad I want, DTA designed and had on some rifles at SHOT. I'm VERY HAPPY to get official response on the issue.

You say you don't have a problem, and then tell me you aren't shooting the very bullet that I describe gives the problem.

Comparing 50bmg recoil to 338 is also pointless. The two cartridges have very different recoil. The 50 being more of a "push" and the 338 being more of a "punch."

As for your suggestion for aftermarket options. I don't feel like having a $5000 rifle and having to buy something from someone else that should have already been there. Do you?

In any event, DTA says its coming and I'm to be patient... so I'll try to be patient for a bit longer. I'm still going to howl about it until they get them ready though.
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I was unaware they had already tooled up the pads. I am shooting the 300gr Matchkings in the .338 as well...just not a lot of them. Maybe 20 or 30 out of 100. I use the 300's in the .338BR subsonic so I don't see much reason to use them in the Lapua. I can't really see that much difference in recoil between the 250's and the 300's in the Lapua anyway. They're both fairly stout but not painful with a can or a brake. As far as the 510 you really don't know how they shoot til you shoot them. They are not 50 BMG and they are fired from my SRS not an HTI. They are not a push like a 35 Lb BMG rifle with a brake. They are a 450gr bullet pushed at 2000+fps. They can be pretty harsh. In any case....I don't really want to argue with you and didn't intend any sort of slight or insult. Some people need the pad and some don't. Seems like most don't though that obviously doesn't include everyone. Its a bit like the cheekrest issue. Some can't see through the scope without one and others can.

I am glad you got an official response. I don't agree that the maker of the rifle is supposed to supply every little thing that every user could possibly want regardless of the price of the rifle. The pad is not a necessity to make the rifle run properly and I don't think it should have been there from the beginning. Individual taste means the aftermarket is frequently a better place to find what you need and it allows the original manufacturer to concentrate on the rifle itself. You knew the rifle didn't have a pad when you spent $5K on it. I don't remember them promising any comfort accessories to me when I bought mine, or any accessories of any type. I haven't seen any ads or statements on their site or anywhere else. I'm glad they will be making what you need however. They've been a very good company to deal with and have lived up to the deal I made with them plus a lot more. The rifles have continued to improve and I've got a number of customers who've been very glad they bought one (or more).


Frank
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Ok frank...

Show me other 338's at any cost that do not have an acceptable recoil pad? Sako TRG, Timberwolf, AI, Armalite, etc etc... they all come with some kind of squishy pad. Virtually every modern rifle in existence of any caliber has a softer pad than the DTA.

You are DEAD WRONG on ratio of people that want a softer pad. Of the 12 people I know personally that have DTA's... ALL have expressed a desire for a better pad. This isn't wanting "every little custom thing." This is wanting a thing that is suppose to be there without anyone having to ask for it.

I LOVE DTA's. More so than any other rifle. Period. Yet that doesn't mean I won't vocally push them to improve their offering. My experience with DTA is that they appreciate this feedback and count on it to improve their offering. This keeps them competitive. The feedback from some people that have shot mine have told me several times that they will not buy one until the recoil pad issue is resolved. They are shocked that a rifle of this cost doesn't already have it. Seems to have more weight than you care to give it. They are smart people at DTA. They have responded to feedback and are moving to fulfill the need. That is what makes them a fantastic company.

The fact is that the vast majority of people that buy DTA's spend their time shooting everything EXCEPT 338. Of all your happy customers that would never want a softer pad... how many are shooting a steady diet of 338? The owner is coming in here telling us about his permanent lump on his clavicle as a result of his own rifle. Gee that sounds like fun huh? No. Not really. Being kicked to hell and back by your rifle and loving the beating you receive it isn't the sign of a tough guy. It's not something to brag about. All shooters that I know would much rather NOT HAVE the lump after a shooting session.

In all seriousness, my friends and I have dubbed it the "DTA Lump." When we're done shooting 338... we can't shoot anything else without feeling pain for at least a day or two, depending on how many rounds we fired. After 50rnds of 338, which is a pretty common session... it is as if someone beat our clavicle repeatedly with a large stick. We want to shoot more... but are physically unable to take the punishment while maintaining accuracy. Conversely, I've once shot over 200rnds of 338 in a single session with an AIAW. I was sore... but NOTHING like 50rnds through the DTA. Hard plastic, vs soft rubber. You don't need much of it there to make a difference. The pad I saw at shot WILL solve the issue 100% and look fantastic in the process. I just hope their isn't a ridiculous up-charge for it, and hope that it comes sooner rather than later.

Why would you lobby against improving it so that others can fully enjoy it as well? Can you explain that to me?
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pharoh1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok frank...

Show me other 338's at any cost that do not have an acceptable recoil pad? Sako TRG, Timberwolf, AI, Armalite, etc etc... they all come with some kind of squishy pad. Virtually every modern rifle in existence of any caliber has a softer pad than the DTA.

You are DEAD WRONG on ratio of people that want a softer pad. Of the 12 people I know personally that have DTA's... ALL have expressed a desire for a better pad. This isn't wanting "every little custom thing." This is wanting a thing that is suppose to be there without anyone having to ask for it.

I LOVE DTA's. More so than any other rifle. Period. Yet that doesn't mean I won't vocally push them to improve their offering. My experience with DTA is that they appreciate this feedback and count on it to improve their offering. This keeps them competitive. The feedback from some people that have shot mine have told me several times that they will not buy one until the recoil pad issue is resolved. They are shocked that a rifle of this cost doesn't already have it. Seems to have more weight than you care to give it. They are smart people at DTA. They have responded to feedback and are moving to fulfill the need. That is what makes them a fantastic company.

The fact is that the vast majority of people that buy DTA's spend their time shooting everything EXCEPT 338. Of all your happy customers that would never want a softer pad... how many are shooting a steady diet of 338? The owner is coming in here telling us about his permanent lump on his clavicle as a result of his own rifle. Gee that sounds like fun huh? No. Not really. Being kicked to hell and back by your rifle and loving the beating you receive it isn't the sign of a tough guy. It's not something to brag about. All shooters that I know would much rather NOT HAVE the lump after a shooting session.

In all seriousness, my friends and I have dubbed it the "DTA Lump." When we're done shooting 338... we can't shoot anything else without feeling pain for at least a day or two, depending on how many rounds we fired. After 50rnds of 338, which is a pretty common session... it is as if someone beat our clavicle repeatedly with a large stick. We want to shoot more... but are physically unable to take the punishment while maintaining accuracy. Conversely, I've once shot over 200rnds of 338 in a single session with an AIAW. I was sore... but NOTHING like 50rnds through the DTA. Hard plastic, vs soft rubber. You don't need much of it there to make a difference. The pad I saw at shot WILL solve the issue 100% and look fantastic in the process. I just hope their isn't a ridiculous up-charge for it, and hope that it comes sooner rather than later.

Why would you lobby against improving it so that others can fully enjoy it as well? Can you explain that to me? </div></div>


Like I said, I don't want to argue with you. You believe what you want. I have no problem with you lobbying your favorite maker for parts you want. Do as you see fit.
I will also tell you that all the DT owners I know shoot the hell out of their 338 Lapua's and none have any problems with the standard buttpad. None of them have any desire for a buttpad nor do they have any physical reasons for not shooting the rifle in 338 without one. Just fired a few more this evening and demo'd the gun to a number of possible new customers. Not one of them complained about excessive recoil and the hardness of the buttplate. After 2 years of demo's with this rifle in .338 and other cals I have heard only 1 or 2 people who thought it needed a pad. If it bothers you to shoot the rifle without padding then that is your issue and you can do as you wish. My suggestion wasn't that the buttpad wasn't a good idea. My suggestion was that you look at more than just the original manufacturer for a pad. The aftermarket frequently comes up with stuff the original manufacturer doesn't have time for. In this case it appears that DT is working on the project and you will be able to get a pad from them. Great, hope it helps you. On the other hand you asked a question and I tried to help you with a couple alternate answers. If you don't want the advice you are free to decline. Its worth what you paid for it in any case so good luck with your rifle and your search. I'll keep shooting mine with the original setup and I will enjoy it.

Frank
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

It's all good guys. Both parties don't have to agree. But I think we can all agree that a softer pad is always nicer as long as it doesn't sacrifice the durability or longevity of the pad. I think it's safe to say out existing pad. Will last forever.
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Timeline is as soon as possible.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Pharoh1,
1500 yard groups turned out great! We shot 375ct at 2160 yards today with a 23" group. We are going to push it out to 3000 yards very soon.
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Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sr90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think we can all agree that a softer pad is always nicer as long as it doesn't sacrifice the durability or longevity of the pad.</div></div> Exactly.
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Glad to hear the 375 is shooting well. Looking forward to getting some DTM ammo for my HTI.
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Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Sr 90,
Will you propose the dust covert we saw on the PSR rifle as an SRS upgrade?
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Why do u need a dust cover on a bolt gun?
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Anyone have any experience with the DTA HTI in 375? Think that is my next move if I can sell one of my .338's.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do u need a dust cover on a bolt gun? </div></div>

It just covers a big portion of the bolt slide area that allows more dirt in. It's an area that the bolt does not operate in, but needs to be open so that the bolt can still be removed.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Do you have an SOT in Phoenix (or nearby) that is stocking DTA suppressors? Do you have any sound pressure studies comparing .308 with your titanium <span style="text-decoration: underline">.308</span> suppressor against .308 with your titanium <span style="text-decoration: underline">.338</span> suppressor?


Also, any opinions on this Spuhr mount system ? What ring height (chart at bottom of web page) would suit the S&B PM II 5-25x56mm scope on a DTA SRS? 6mil/20.6MOA versus 13mil/40.4MOA base elevation for .308 and .338 LM XLR use?

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Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Where is the cheapest place to buy extra mags for my SRS?

308 size....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bribri</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where is the cheapest place to buy extra mags for my SRS?

308 size.... </div></div>

DTA or a dealer, I've always found them to be the same price.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nukes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you have an SOT in Phoenix (or nearby) that is stocking DTA suppressors? Do you have any sound pressure studies comparing .308 with your titanium <span style="text-decoration: underline">.308</span> suppressor against .308 with your titanium <span style="text-decoration: underline">.338</span> suppressor?


Also, any opinions on this Spuhr mount system ? What ring height (chart at bottom of web page) would suit the S&B PM II 5-25x56mm scope on a DTA SRS? 6mil/20.6MOA versus 13mil/40.4MOA base elevation for .308 and .338 LM XLR use?

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My cousin's got the 40.4 for 308 and 338 LM, I'll have to ask him on ring heigh, I think it was either .750 or .765. I know he called Spuhr and they knew what he needed. The things a tank, I highly recommend it.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

I have the Spuhr 4802 with 44.4MOA cant. The bore to scope (center-to-center) is about 2.6in. I think this is the highest mount they have.

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However, the objective of the scope has very little clearance to the rail. The picture below shows the Schmidt Bender 5-25x56mm objective. It's less than 1mm with the objective cover attached. I'd remove the cover completely before shooting.

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Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Thanks Raptor. For the same S&B scope but with the Tenebraex ARD/TT cover, I have the 6mil/20.6MOA on the way from Midway. I may need to exchange it for the 13mil/40.4MOA Extra High. Looks very close.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Good luck to you Nukes. I don't know how long is the Tenebraex ARD + cover. But the 20.6MOA Spuhr mount may have a better chance of clearing the rail, since it doesn't tilt the objective down as much...
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Raptor, that's a nice scope, I'm still waiting on mine after off loading my NF.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

We likely have a few models coming out in the future.
SP 4007, 0 moa mount that is 1,535" high and there is a load of them ordered by Mile High and soon on the way.
SP 4004 0moa and SP4804 (13mil/44.4moa that is both 48mm high (1,89")
But the two laters are months away.

Regards Håkan
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Will the SP4804 13mil/44.4moa, 48mm high (1,89") allow the Schmidt and Bender 56mm objective scopes to be mounted on a DTA SRS without impinging on the rail? same for US Optics 58mm objective scopes?
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Håkan

So SP-4802 = 37mm (1.46")
and SP-4804 = 48mm (1.89")?

If that's the case, there should be plenty of clearance even for the 60mm objectives on DTA. I believe the DTA mount is 1.52" high - according to the official FAQ.

archaos: Good luck on your SB scope. Hope you get it soon. My wait time is 10 months!
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

EuroOptic just received a S&B shipment last week. I was prepared for a long wait, but got an email 3 days after I placed the order. Gotta love that.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Does the covert handrail conversion kit come with the tools to do the conversion yourself or does it need to be sent in to a smith?
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

The handguard conversion comes with a wrench that latches to the rails. To do the conversion you have to remove a key that locks the handguard to the receiver then, with the receiver mounted in a vise, use the wrench to loosen the handguard (you'll want to lay a small rag over the area you use the wrench on to prevent any scratches). The first time you do this it'll take some elbow grease, but after that it's much easier. Just remember to first remove the key (with a metric hex wrench) and then screw it back in once complete. That's what locks the whole system together.

None of it requires a smith - it can be done on a workbench in under 5 minutes.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

I've been trying to duplicate Lapua's factory 338 Scenar loads in my DTA SRS. Tested some possible reload candidates over the chronograph this afternoon. Hope you find the data useful:

Test conducted in 101 degree central Texas heat with winds S15G23. Groups are 5 shots at 200 yards.


Powder Bullet Average Velocity(fps) SD Group at 200yd
Factory loaded Lapua 300 Scenar 2641 22 0.934"
91.5g VV 570 300 Scenar 2634 11 0.579"
91.5g H1000 300 Scenar 2758 25 0.717"
91.5g H1000 300 Berger 2580 19 1.624"
91.5g RL25 300 Scenar 2798 23 1.301"

Will be doing some more work on the VV570/300Scenar combo, but we're already "close enough" in my book.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Long time reader first time poster.

When I first heard about the DTA rifles when I came across some videos of it at SHOT show in 2011. Since then I have been watching updates about this rifle and this company very closely while saving up my money to inevitably pull the trigger on one. I've watched every Youtube video and read every forum post that I could find. I especially like the compact design and the accuracy to which these rifles seem capable of producing.

The DTA bug had died out a bit due partially to financial reasons and partially because of my loss of anywhere to do longer-range shooting. Since I started a new job I began looking to research these rifles again. Again I began watching Youtube videos and reading forum posts and I came across Primal Rights return to zero test on youtube where the barrel was taken out after every shot for 30 shots. Impressive performing rifle to say the least. Then I went to Primal Rights site and found out that they are located within 1.5 hours from my house. What's more is that they just finished a review on a DTA, so my timing was perfect. A little too perfect actually, as I haven't saved quite enough money yet! I read the article that was written about the DTA SRS rifle and I knew I had to have one. I gave them a call and spoke with the owner Greg for around an hour and he ended the conversation with an invite to come down and shoot one of his rifles whenever I would like. I cannot wait to finally get my hands on one.

I've been watching this thread for quite a while, and always love seeing people's DTA rifles. This was the best write-up on the rifles I have seen to date so I wanted to post it here for people that are watching this thread. I'm going to buy one of these rifles in the next few months, so I'll be sure to post a picture when I do. Looks like I'll be eating ramen noodles for a while! Greg actually tried talking me into getting a remington 700 AAC model with some upgrades to start with, but I'd rather have the best I can afford even if I have to save longer.

here is the article http://www.primalrights.com/forum/review.php?a=5652

Greg at primal rights said I should look hard at US Optics for a scope once I get the rifle, but I wanted to ask you guys what you thought I should get? He also said that vortex is a good brand for entry level scopes... but I have never heard of them. I was going to put a leupold vari-x 3 on it, but greg said that wouldn't be very easy for me to get first round hits with. Are they just trying to sell me stuff or should I be listening?

Sorry if these questions are stupid, but I'm just getting started and I want to buy the right things up front so I don't waste money in the long run. That's why I want the change barrel design of the DTA too.

Thanks
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Skip the Leupold. The Vortex PST is indeed a good entry level scope. The Vortex Viper is their premier line and competes with much nicer scopes like the US Optics you mentioned. The top of the line scopes tend to be the US Optics, Premiers, and Schmidt & Bender. Somewhere in there are the Nightforce scopes. My first upper end scope was a Nightforce F1, and I still own it. It all comes down to what you can afford. I went with S&B on my DTA. I have four barrel conversions for my DTA: 308, 300 WM, 338 LM, and 7 WSM. So for me it's almost like having four rifles. Thinking that way brings the sting down of buying one S&B for it.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

If I was going to rebarrel an extension, what diameter chamber end and contour do I need to be 'close' to the factory DTA .308 barrel?

I'm at work, but everything else is at home... Can't measure, and I'm window shopping. I'll send the bits to SAC or someone to plumb up.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Welcome patB45!!

a big +1 for the Vortex! great glass for a decent price point.

I love my DTA! It's all I shoot now.

-best of luck AND buy a DTA!!!
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SRSDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I was going to rebarrel an extension, what diameter chamber end and contour do I need to be 'close' to the factory DTA .308 barrel?

I'm at work, but everything else is at home... Can't measure, and I'm window shopping. I'll send the bits to SAC or someone to plumb up. </div></div>

The blank needs to be a cylindrical 1.25" minimum after turning. The barrel can be turned down from that dimension forward of the locking bolt. I don't know of any contour that matches what you need for this other than the Cylindrical blank. I've built a number of barrels for the rifles but I don't have the exact info here...I'm away from home for the weekend. Threads aren't tough but dimensions for the rear end of the barrel are pretty critical since the barrel is clamped in place and the lock position requires a shoulder located properly and with the proper radius. Contact DTA for barrel drawings as they will give you the proper specs.

Hope that helps

Frank
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Me and Russ got out today, and had a 7mm shootout. I was shooting my 7SAUM, and he was shooting his 7WSM. both shooting 162 amax's at roughly the same speed. We shot 100,500,1,000,1215, and 1600. It was awesome!
Here are a couple videos from today. first my shot then Russ on the steel at 1215:

Its the white one in the back
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Here is another one, a double tap:

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Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: biffj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SRSDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I was going to rebarrel an extension, what diameter chamber end and contour do I need to be 'close' to the factory DTA .308 barrel?

I'm at work, but everything else is at home... Can't measure, and I'm window shopping. I'll send the bits to SAC or someone to plumb up. </div></div>

The blank needs to be a cylindrical 1.25" minimum after turning. The barrel can be turned down from that dimension forward of the locking bolt. I don't know of any contour that matches what you need for this other than the Cylindrical blank. I've built a number of barrels for the rifles but I don't have the exact info here...I'm away from home for the weekend. Threads aren't tough but dimensions for the rear end of the barrel are pretty critical since the barrel is clamped in place and the lock position requires a shoulder located properly and with the proper radius. Contact DTA for barrel drawings as they will give you the proper specs.

Hope that helps

Frank
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That is close enough to window shop, I'll call DTA and get the specs before I place an order.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

I been reading all I can about the DTA prior to a purchase.
My dealer has been sitting on a .308 DTA covert, believe he has a 300 winmag conversion with the SRS forearm in the kit.

How does the Covert stack up to the SRS? Is there much loss with the shorter barrel? (besides the velocity decrease)

Just trying to avoid buyers remorse, I figure with my luck I splurge on the covert; call to order scope or accessories and find out I got the wrong model...
Any other words of wisdom before I "pull the trigger"?
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scubadds</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I been reading all I can about the DTA prior to a purchase.
My dealer has been sitting on a .308 DTA covert, believe he has a 300 winmag conversion with the SRS forearm in the kit.

How does the Covert stack up to the SRS? Is there much loss with the shorter barrel? (besides the velocity decrease)

Just trying to avoid buyers remorse, I figure with my luck I splurge on the covert; call to order scope or accessories and find out I got the wrong model...
Any other words of wisdom before I "pull the trigger"? </div></div>


A good question to ask might be " how many of you SRS owners have purchased the Covert hanguard conversion? ". Its my understanding that the Covert will handle any of the barrels the SRS will so barrel length is an option. I've had some minor issues with the SRS length handguard not allowing me to put shorter suppressed barrels on for use with subsonic ammo. No need for more than a 16" barrel when you're shooting a subsonic round but the SRS handguards required a 22" barrel to get enough out the end to screw a suppressor on. I'd say either way you go there won't be much in the way of buyers remorse. You can swap handguards in either direction and that is the big difference.

Frank
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: biffj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scubadds</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I been reading all I can about the DTA prior to a purchase.
My dealer has been sitting on a .308 DTA covert, believe he has a 300 winmag conversion with the SRS forearm in the kit.

How does the Covert stack up to the SRS? Is there much loss with the shorter barrel? (besides the velocity decrease)

Just trying to avoid buyers remorse, I figure with my luck I splurge on the covert; call to order scope or accessories and find out I got the wrong model...
Any other words of wisdom before I "pull the trigger"? </div></div>


A good question to ask might be " how many of you SRS owners have purchased the Covert hanguard conversion? ". Its my understanding that the Covert will handle any of the barrels the SRS will so barrel length is an option. I've had some minor issues with the SRS length handguard not allowing me to put shorter suppressed barrels on for use with subsonic ammo. No need for more than a 16" barrel when you're shooting a subsonic round but the SRS handguards required a 22" barrel to get enough out the end to screw a suppressor on. I'd say either way you go there won't be much in the way of buyers remorse. You can swap handguards in either direction and that is the big difference.

Frank
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I will piggyback a piece of advice here...
If you plan to switch handguards back and forth, be sure you have handguards that are manufactured for your chassis (i.e. I know from personal experience that the thread depth on a Gen1 chassis/hanguard is NOT the same as the thread depth on a Gen2 chassis/handguard system.)
Otherwise, be prepared to do some careful 'dremel machining' in order to sync the parts. This is an option that will result in a solid functional and cosmetic interface, assuming you have the time and ability to do so.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: netranger6</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sr90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Netranger,
Is the hole stripped? Or did it get tapped too shallow? </div></div>

No idea. It pretty much gets to a point of resistance, then spins freely. The fasteners however, are not stripped. </div></div>

Joe took care of me. Got a new one with the 3 mm screws. Outstanding CS!,
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Check your bolt face, the easiest way to tell is the bushing will be a slightly different color than the bolt. If you can't tell by color, See if you can track down a .072 gage pin. A .074 will not go into the firing pin hole but a .072 to .073 will. Also you could take a sewing needle and drag it across the face of the bolt and see if it snags right about the edge of where the primer would hit. There is usually a .001 difference from the bolt face to the bushing, One of these options should get you there. If all 3 are a no go then I would say your bolt is not bushed, massive cratering is an indicator of an unbushed bolt, if your not piercing primers I wouldnt worry about it.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Do I need to be concerned with a bushing that moves? I got a new Creedmoor conversion from DTA and noticed after 20 rounds that the bushing was sticking out beyond the bolt face slightly. I don't remember seeing it sticking out when I looked it over upon receiving it. I fired a few more rounds and it is now flush again. I wouldn't expect that a bushing should move around, but don't really know since I have never had a bolt on any of my rifles with that done before. I also noticed the bolt is a little stiff to lock down while chambering a new round occasionally. I can't imagine Hornady 140gr. AMAX match ammo being the issue. Is it possible that the bushing is slipping forward slightly sometimes and preventing the bolt from traveling forward into battery all the way, until the bolt lugs draw it in upon pushing the handle down?
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Bushings are not supposed to move please return your bolt to have a new bushing installed
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Hello gents , I have always liked the DTA and have always wanted one. Well I am planning on getting one now on impulse. My only question is if I can get one in 65 creedmoor, and where I can get a kit for it?
Thank you
Joe m
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

There was a Group Buy here recently via Short Action Customs for 6.5Creed kits.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BFD711</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do I need to be concerned with a bushing that moves? I got a new Creedmoor conversion from DTA and noticed after 20 rounds that the bushing was sticking out beyond the bolt face slightly. I don't remember seeing it sticking out when I looked it over upon receiving it. I fired a few more rounds and it is now flush again. I wouldn't expect that a bushing should move around, but don't really know since I have never had a bolt on any of my rifles with that done before. I also noticed the bolt is a little stiff to lock down while chambering a new round occasionally. I can't imagine Hornady 140gr. AMAX match ammo being the issue. Is it possible that the bushing is slipping forward slightly sometimes and preventing the bolt from traveling forward into battery all the way, until the bolt lugs draw it in upon pushing the handle down? </div></div>

I've experienced the same thing, just not every round, very sporatic. Somebody post pics, what should I look for on both bolts?
 
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