Movie Theater Dual Survival host change up?

[ArcticLight]

LET ME PREFACE THIS - NOTHING IS FACT HERE.

I'm hearing <span style="font-weight: bold">grumblings</span> out there that Dave Canterbury from Dual Survial may have been replaced.
"Padded resume" is what is being said.

Anyone else know?

 

[rrflyer]

Re: Dual Survival host change up - Stolen valor?

I heard the same months ago.

I believe he was "removed" from some bushcraft forums for it.

Cody's better anyhow

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Dual Survival host change up - Stolen valor?

I've personally never heard of Canterbury claiming much...

He claims to have been an MP in the Army, claims to have been a "sniper" for the Military Police S.R.T. ( back in the day, before the SDM program, the Military Police had "Military Police Designated Marksmen" for the S.R.T., "sniper" is easier to say ), he claims to have "survival training" in the military ( doesn't every soldier get very basic survival training )....

Internet rumor is that he padded his resume ( I personally think Discovery did, though I'm not completely sure they stretched it much )

Canterbury was in the Army in the mid to late 80s IIRC, I enlisted, as an MP, in 1990. So I'll assume that our experience as MPs was similar. With that said some people have made issue of his military records NOT showing anything about "sniper" or survival training, so we'll address those from MY experience...

"Sniper": Like I said, the Military Police Corps used to have ( may still, but I'm pretty sure they use the SDM program) a "Military Police Designated Marksman" program.. As I remember it, MOST people never got any special training, some of us were lucky enough to get a week w/ AMU, most w/ basic M16s and an optic, some w/ old beat up M21s or M24s... While I personally make a point, if it comes, up to make a distinction, most guys always just said "sniper"... just like any LE does, "I'm an sniper on the SRT team"... "I'm a sniper for the PD"... both technically incorrect, but accepted easier by uneducated people.

"Survival training": Like I said, doesn't EVERY soldier receive very basic survival training? I know every one I saw did. I also seem to remember Canterbury being in Panama, which happens to be where the Jungle School was back then. While I have seen his records posted online, and Jungle Expert wasn't listed anywhere. It's not unheard of for soldiers, of that era at least, to have gotten training w/o a certificate, 1059, or it ever being on any record.. especially in this case, the instructors from the jungle school did classes for units in Panama all the time, not the full course, but shorter, semi formal classes.... This is in fact training, now if he claimed to be a "Jungle Expert".. I'd be pissed, the whole course was a bitch.

Additionally, right or wrong, when I left active duty in 1995, we all had to go through a transition program. Where they helped write a resume, had recruiters from the private sector and civil government come in, etc,etc... They taught people back then how to "pad" a resume... no flat out lies, but how to focus on the positives of experience or training and experience.

For example:

EVERYONE in the military has "leadership experience", not a single person that makes it through an enlistment w/o being in charge of a few details, so even a "terminal Lance" in the Marines, or career SPC in the Army has leadership experience.

and that's just what I can think of off the top of my head.

I've also heard people say that he claims, or implies, to be a "Pathfinder", since that's what he named his survival school. I've actually seen a video where he explains that the name has nothing to do w/ the military, that he picked it because of early explorers finding paths across the country of some such...

 

[ArcticLight]

Re: Dual Survival host change up - Stolen valor?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've also heard people say that he claims, or implies, to be a "Pathfinder", since that's what he named his survival school. </div></div>
Force I totally get what you are saying, and personally I *liked* Dave, not sure if the show will be the same now or not.

I trained under a Pathfinder in a field excercise in 1983 and loved what he showed me!

I too did a "Two week sniper school" while in Alaska, although I don't claim to be a sniper as I was DM not a sniper....otherwise this is what I found out:


<span style="font-weight: bold">
The P.O.W. Network, a 501(c)(3) educational organization, states that Canterbury misrepresented his military background by falsely claiming he was Ranger qualified.[13][14][15] Their records show that Canterbury served in the U.S. Army from 1981 to 1987, obtaining the rank of Sergeant before being honorably discharged. During his service he completed a sixteen week military Law Enforcement course in 1982, a one week Military Leadership course in 1984, a one week Land Navigation course in 1984, a one week First Aid Class in 1984, a two week Sniper/Counter Sniper course in 1986 and a two week Special Reaction Team training (SWAT) course in 1986. Canterbury received the following military awards and decorations; Army Service Ribbon, Army Good Conduct Medal, Overseas Service Ribbon, Expert w/Auto Rifle & Hand Grennade & Pistol Bar, Army Achievement Medal w/1 Oak Leaf Cluster and a Driver's Badge-w Bar. His principal duties during his service were being assigned to the 984th Military Police Company in Fort Carson, Colorado and the 260th Military Police Company in Korea.[16]


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[Bill Larson]

Re: Dual Survival host change up - Stolen valor?

Let`s rise above rumor.The internet is the greatest tool in the world to slander someone/something in error.... The truth will come out...let`s wait til it`s proven......
bill larson

 

[Force_Multiplier]

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I still haven't ever seen him claim to have been a Ranger.. haven't seen it in a video, written on the web... nothing

 

[ArcticLight]

Re: Dual Survival host change up - Stolen valor?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Larson</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Let`s rise above rumor.The internet is the greatest tool in the world to slander someone/something in error.... The truth will come out...let`s wait til it`s proven......
bill larson </div></div>

Not a rumor, he has been replaced.

I'm leaving everything else until some facts come out.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Dual Survival host change up - Stolen valor?

ArticLight,

can you provide a link where Dave claimed to be a Ranger or Pathfinder....

and I don't care about "sniper"... there are plenty of LE designated marksmen... LE counter snipers...etc... that just say "sniper" because it's easier or it sounds cooler, whatever...

and everything I've seen w/ Dave, he actually said "S.R.T. sniper"

 

[-=boone=-]

Re: Dual Survival host change up - Stolen valor?

Interested about this as well. He comes here often.

 

[ArcticLight]

Re: Dual Survival host change up - Stolen valor?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ArticLight,

can you provide a link where Dave claimed to be a Ranger or Pathfinder....

and I don't care about "sniper"... there are plenty of LE designated marksmen... LE counter snipers...etc... that just say "sniper" because it's easier or it sounds cooler, whatever...

and everything I've seen w/ Dave, he actually said "S.R.T. sniper" </div></div>

Nope, my point wasn't that he lied about it, it was that Cody let him go because of it - I'm looking for the quote I read early where Cody politely said something on the order about honesty and integrity.

I think it's a crying shame, loved the show and the ratings will likely drop, I liked Dave. I'm not accusing him of anything, merely stating that I read that's why he was let go.

The fact is he was let go, for what I am not certain, others said (Rumor) - and Cody won't say except to say "Honesty and integrity are important"...

Let me dig that quote up.

Here, and I cannot confirm it was Cody, things are rapidyly changing, TONIGHT, on this topic:
<span style="font-weight: bold">"The goal of the survival instructor is to keep people alive. To accomplish this goal, honesty, integrity, trust and competence must come first. These core values cannot be compromised or people’s lives are needlessly put at risk. In a profession where human lives are at stake, dishonesty about ones background and experience is an inexcusable breach of trust." </span>

 

[ArcticLight]

Re: Dual Survival host change up - Stolen valor?

PS

My days watching Dual Survival are probably over, my daughter and I watched this for the past few years and it was good bonding time, she will not be happy.


I just read that Bear Grylls got fired from Discovery!!! WTF???? Did he get too big?

 

[-=boone=-]

Re: Dual Survival host change up - Stolen valor?

At the same time I remember when the Food Net Work fired one of their stars for padding or embellishing his resume. Turned out, he didn't. Food net work apologized, and promptly gave him back his show.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Dual Survival host change up - Stolen valor?

it isn't "fact" that he was let go... it is only fact that he is no longer on the show... Discovery SAYS he was let go...

for all we really know he got tired of Cody's hippie without shoes crap...

The only fact is, we'll never really know. Discovery isn't about to say that they misunderstood/embellished his resume, then used that against him when they parted ways. Cody isn't gonna defend him, and probably won't completely condemn him either. Dave himself probably can't win either way and will remain basically silent.

I personally think the guy does way more good than harm, haven't seen any real evidence of anything NEAR stolen valor...

I'll continue to watch his youtube channel and I'd like to see him on another TV show.

 

[Cmonroe]

Re: Dual Survival host change up - Stolen valor?

I'm with Force on this, I like Dave's style and no matter what they said the dude has mad skills. At no time in anything I've read or heard has he ever padded his resume. I dare you to chase a porcupine in the snow and club its ass, or jump on the back of a gator and slide a fixed blade in its skull. Dave when you read this remember Force and I will buy you a beer or two or?

 

[ArcticLight]

Re: Dual Survival host change up - Stolen valor?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cmonroe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm with Force on this, I like Dave's style and no matter what they said the dude has mad skills. At no time in anything I've read or heard has he ever padded his resume. I dare you to chase a porcupine in the snow and club its ass, or jump on the back of a gator and slide a fixed blade in its skull. Dave when you read this remember Force and I will buy you a beer or two or? </div></div>

I agree!

 

[Johnny Sasaki]

Re: Dual Survival host change up - Stolen valor?

I love these survival shows, but dual survival was by far my least favorite. Les Stroud's show was the best. I hear he's coming back for a couple more shows, which is very cool.

 

[romanleader]

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Preface: Chuck (RIP) and Mary @ POWnetwork do outstanding work for those that have served & continue to serve, and subsequently are falsely misrepresented by scumbags/punkasses that bring dishonor by copying and imitating them, i.e. Stolen Valor.

This happened a couple years ago iirc.

http://www.fakewarriors.org/phonies/phonies1160.htm

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8dRgAtl...GRi/edit?pli=1#

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=114359&page=3

Q: “...Please tell us Dave, did you ever claim to be an Army Ranger?”
A: “NO I have served with Ranger units in CA in the 80's on the same checkpoints and patrols and I dont even publisize that!...”

This previous quote from him was then posted:
“As an Ex Army Ranger,Survival Instructor,and Extreme Hunter I expect alot from my gear. It is for that reason that the gear advertised for sale on this site has all been tested by myself and my son in a variety of extreme conditions. When your life depends on what little you carry-Buy from Wilderness Outfitters. We appreciate your business.”

His response:
“I will not try to say that is not my quote and <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">yes after working with ranger units extensivley in CA I do feel one of them</span> </span>but that quote was removed from my site ALONG time ago!...”
http://bushcraftusa.com/forum/showth...t=3851&page=11


happy reading

 

[rrflyer]

Re: Dual Survival host change up - Stolen valor?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I just read that Bear Grylls got fired from Discovery!!! WTF???? Did he get too big? </div></div>

Because people found out how BS the show was!



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