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Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
LOL. Is he raleted to Charlie Day?<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This fuckin idiot goes through various cities to "test" the towns friendliness to the 2nd Amendment. One day he's going to figure out if you go looking for trouble enough you're likely to find it and not where you thought it would be from...
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LOL. Is he raleted to Charlie Day?<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This fuckin idiot goes through various cities to "test" the towns friendliness to the 2nd Amendment. One day he's going to figure out if you go looking for trouble enough you're likely to find it and not where you thought it would be from...
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Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Us against them. They are trolling, they are baiting, they are being an ass.... Its their own fault they get hammered, women in tight dresses are just baiting and asking for trouble... see where this is going???
If he is breaking no law walking around with an semi MP5 and filming stuff then STFU. Isn't your land of the free and the brave and what is god given right cannot be infringed or not? As far as i know being a dick isn't a crime (if it were a lot of SH forum members could be found guilty) you may not like it but writing how someone would punch/knock/whatever dude out says a lot about true love of freedom from some. Little dictators waiting to jump out at first opportunity.
I honestly liked the approach of an officer but saying that and seeing a responses i wonder what the actual norm is over there -> calling in a SWAT or predator drone to nuke the "fuck who is baiting and being an ass". What does that tell you of other officers if this one is so beyond belief and so above standard...
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Awesome post my man.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Us against them. They are trolling, they are baiting, they are being an ass.... Its their own fault they get hammered, women in tight dresses are just baiting and asking for trouble... see where this is going???
If he is breaking no law walking around with an semi MP5 and filming stuff then STFU. Isn't your land of the free and the brave and what is god given right cannot be infringed or not? As far as i know being a dick isn't a crime (if it were a lot of SH forum members could be found guilty) you may not like it but writing how someone would punch/knock/whatever dude out says a lot about true love of freedom from some. Little dictators waiting to jump out at first opportunity.
I honestly liked the approach of an officer but saying that and seeing a responses i wonder what the actual norm is over there -> calling in a SWAT or predator drone to nuke the "fuck who is baiting and being an ass". What does that tell you of other officers if this one is so beyond belief and so above standard...
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Awesome post my man.
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
I've put my blood sweat and tears into this country. Killed my share of its enemies and drug my lifeless comrades bodies out of blown up vehicles for it. I can assure you I am willing to fight for that retards right to do what he did, doesn't mean he should act like an asshole, or that I'm not going to get upset that he is trying to trick police officers into doing something wrong. Guess I shouldn't have said I wanted to beat him. What I should have said is his parents should have beat him more because they raised a moron. Better?
Also your analogy is garbage. If a woman wore a tight dress out one night with the hopes of being raped, just so she could video it and then argue with her rapist about the the laws pertaining to the legality of her wearing a tight dress then it would make sense in this context.
I've put my blood sweat and tears into this country. Killed my share of its enemies and drug my lifeless comrades bodies out of blown up vehicles for it. I can assure you I am willing to fight for that retards right to do what he did, doesn't mean he should act like an asshole, or that I'm not going to get upset that he is trying to trick police officers into doing something wrong. Guess I shouldn't have said I wanted to beat him. What I should have said is his parents should have beat him more because they raised a moron. Better?
Also your analogy is garbage. If a woman wore a tight dress out one night with the hopes of being raped, just so she could video it and then argue with her rapist about the the laws pertaining to the legality of her wearing a tight dress then it would make sense in this context.
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
Read again...as analogy is perfect the same way you presume the dude is baiting one might presume the same for the ladies...-> lets just leave out the fact that few decades ago and probably even now there are persons who still think so...
Or let me simplify:
- is it legal to walk around with MP5? yes no
- is it illegal to film cops (heard they wanted or there are some laws against that)? yes no
As to the rest most are motives and subjective reasons and perhaps if cops like the one in the video were the norm there wouldn't be any need to go out and poke them and test them and "bait" them. This is citizens fighting back* with what they can without being thrown into psych ward indefinitely, beaten up, drowned in paperwork/lawsuits, getting swat visit in the night with lead being the first thing coming through the door, etc...
While i agree with your thought of this being an ass that doesn't matter or change the fact he did nothing illegal and if some potential cop would explode and do something he shouldn't i would still find cops actions to be worst thing for society than less then smart/polite behavior. Cops freely sign on and just like soldiers take certain risks/nuisances that come with a job, you want to dance with a devil be prepared to either get burned or wear a fire suit (another analogy for you to ponder and twist).
PS: BAITING in every form is THE NORM of the various US/world police forces (you can find plenty of cases around how some "informer" provoked the actions for the police to jump on) so frankly i see no problem returning in kind.
Edit: * - to further clarify fighting back as i believe this is nothing but a response to more and more govs abuse of power and disregard of rule of law and more and more applying rule of power, rule of bureaucracy.
Read again...as analogy is perfect the same way you presume the dude is baiting one might presume the same for the ladies...-> lets just leave out the fact that few decades ago and probably even now there are persons who still think so...
Or let me simplify:
- is it legal to walk around with MP5? yes no
- is it illegal to film cops (heard they wanted or there are some laws against that)? yes no
As to the rest most are motives and subjective reasons and perhaps if cops like the one in the video were the norm there wouldn't be any need to go out and poke them and test them and "bait" them. This is citizens fighting back* with what they can without being thrown into psych ward indefinitely, beaten up, drowned in paperwork/lawsuits, getting swat visit in the night with lead being the first thing coming through the door, etc...
While i agree with your thought of this being an ass that doesn't matter or change the fact he did nothing illegal and if some potential cop would explode and do something he shouldn't i would still find cops actions to be worst thing for society than less then smart/polite behavior. Cops freely sign on and just like soldiers take certain risks/nuisances that come with a job, you want to dance with a devil be prepared to either get burned or wear a fire suit (another analogy for you to ponder and twist).
PS: BAITING in every form is THE NORM of the various US/world police forces (you can find plenty of cases around how some "informer" provoked the actions for the police to jump on) so frankly i see no problem returning in kind.
Edit: * - to further clarify fighting back as i believe this is nothing but a response to more and more govs abuse of power and disregard of rule of law and more and more applying rule of power, rule of bureaucracy.
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Read again...as analogy is perfect the same way <span style="font-weight: bold">you presume the dude is baiting</span> one might presume the same for the ladies...-> lets just leave out the fact that few decades ago and probably even now there are persons who still think so...
Or let me simplify:
- is it legal to walk around with MP5? yes no
- is it illegal to film cops (heard they wanted or there are some laws against that)? yes no
As to the rest most are motives and subjective reasons and perhaps if cops like the one in the video were the norm there wouldn't be any need to go out and poke them and test them and "bait" them. This is citizens fighting back* with what they can without being thrown into psych ward indefinitely, beaten up, drowned in paperwork/lawsuits, getting swat visit in the night with lead being the first thing coming through the door, etc...
While i agree with your thought of this being an ass that doesn't matter or change the fact he did nothing illegal and if some potential cop would explode and do something he shouldn't i would still find cops actions to be worst thing for society than less then smart/polite behavior. Cops freely sign on and just like soldiers take certain risks/nuisances that come with a job, you want to dance with a devil be prepared to either get burned or wear a fire suit (another analogy for you to ponder and twist).
PS: BAITING in every form is THE NORM of the various US/world police forces (you can find plenty of cases around how some "informer" provoked the actions for the police to jump on) so frankly i see no problem returning in kind.
Edit: * - to further clarify fighting back as i believe this is nothing but a response to more and more govs abuse of power and disregard of rule of law and more and more applying rule of power, rule of bureaucracy. </div></div>
Presume \pri-züm\
1: to undertake without leave or clear justification : dare
2: to expect or assume especially with confidence
3: to suppose to be true without proof
It's not a presumption that he is baiting officers but a FACT by his own testimony and evidence. So your analogy is false and further more retarded for comparing this idiot to someone as perverse as a rapist which is comparing stupidity to malicious perversion.
Cops do take on an inherent risk that comes with the job, but there's a big difference between a natural risk that follows with it and someone who intentionally creates risk for the sake of monetary gain and/or attention. And you need to look up the analogy "dance with the devil" which means to knowingly do something that goes against God which is the OPPOSITE in most rational opinions of what LE does.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Read again...as analogy is perfect the same way <span style="font-weight: bold">you presume the dude is baiting</span> one might presume the same for the ladies...-> lets just leave out the fact that few decades ago and probably even now there are persons who still think so...
Or let me simplify:
- is it legal to walk around with MP5? yes no
- is it illegal to film cops (heard they wanted or there are some laws against that)? yes no
As to the rest most are motives and subjective reasons and perhaps if cops like the one in the video were the norm there wouldn't be any need to go out and poke them and test them and "bait" them. This is citizens fighting back* with what they can without being thrown into psych ward indefinitely, beaten up, drowned in paperwork/lawsuits, getting swat visit in the night with lead being the first thing coming through the door, etc...
While i agree with your thought of this being an ass that doesn't matter or change the fact he did nothing illegal and if some potential cop would explode and do something he shouldn't i would still find cops actions to be worst thing for society than less then smart/polite behavior. Cops freely sign on and just like soldiers take certain risks/nuisances that come with a job, you want to dance with a devil be prepared to either get burned or wear a fire suit (another analogy for you to ponder and twist).
PS: BAITING in every form is THE NORM of the various US/world police forces (you can find plenty of cases around how some "informer" provoked the actions for the police to jump on) so frankly i see no problem returning in kind.
Edit: * - to further clarify fighting back as i believe this is nothing but a response to more and more govs abuse of power and disregard of rule of law and more and more applying rule of power, rule of bureaucracy. </div></div>
Presume \pri-züm\
1: to undertake without leave or clear justification : dare
2: to expect or assume especially with confidence
3: to suppose to be true without proof
It's not a presumption that he is baiting officers but a FACT by his own testimony and evidence. So your analogy is false and further more retarded for comparing this idiot to someone as perverse as a rapist which is comparing stupidity to malicious perversion.
Cops do take on an inherent risk that comes with the job, but there's a big difference between a natural risk that follows with it and someone who intentionally creates risk for the sake of monetary gain and/or attention. And you need to look up the analogy "dance with the devil" which means to knowingly do something that goes against God which is the OPPOSITE in most rational opinions of what LE does.
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
Folks in this day and age where nuts kill good folks everyday we have to protect our gun rights but have to act reasonably at the same time.
In California they pushed this open carry thing so much they pissed off the law makers and guess what? Its now illegal to open carry.
Exercise rights but do so smartly.
Always take high road and talk clearly and with thought. We should exercise and come across as help to Law Enforcment Actions not take valuabl;e resourses away from already stretced departments
Folks in this day and age where nuts kill good folks everyday we have to protect our gun rights but have to act reasonably at the same time.
In California they pushed this open carry thing so much they pissed off the law makers and guess what? Its now illegal to open carry.
Exercise rights but do so smartly.
Always take high road and talk clearly and with thought. We should exercise and come across as help to Law Enforcment Actions not take valuabl;e resourses away from already stretced departments
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
With devil didn't mean cops=evil per se but devil=hell=hot as in cop=complex job/ungrateful job/a lot of different attitudes to handle=not easiest of professions. OR to put it in words once a cop you must develop thick skin and even when faced with a total asshole remain civil and within law. That was my point.
Still IS IT LEGAL TO WALK DOWN THE STREET WITH SEMI MP5 OR NOT?
What the f.. is the brain damage here...
IF YOU think it not wise/smart to do such a thing since most people will get scared and you will have trouble with police I THINK this is an answer to the next question whether or not such right should exists (AND YOU YOURSELF with above notion "notwise/smart" - DENY IT) and obviously it should not as majority (some even in shooting community) is against.... Either use it or loose it that's how it is.
With devil didn't mean cops=evil per se but devil=hell=hot as in cop=complex job/ungrateful job/a lot of different attitudes to handle=not easiest of professions. OR to put it in words once a cop you must develop thick skin and even when faced with a total asshole remain civil and within law. That was my point.
Still IS IT LEGAL TO WALK DOWN THE STREET WITH SEMI MP5 OR NOT?
What the f.. is the brain damage here...
IF YOU think it not wise/smart to do such a thing since most people will get scared and you will have trouble with police I THINK this is an answer to the next question whether or not such right should exists (AND YOU YOURSELF with above notion "notwise/smart" - DENY IT) and obviously it should not as majority (some even in shooting community) is against.... Either use it or loose it that's how it is.
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
What a fucking tool. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. I hate the open carry "BECAUSE WE CAN" idiots. If you want to OC fine, do it and look professional and most will assume you're an officer and never have an issue. But crap like this and when all the OC guys go into a resteraunt carrying just to make a statement isn't good publicity.
Rant off.
What a fucking tool. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. I hate the open carry "BECAUSE WE CAN" idiots. If you want to OC fine, do it and look professional and most will assume you're an officer and never have an issue. But crap like this and when all the OC guys go into a resteraunt carrying just to make a statement isn't good publicity.
Rant off.
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That Officer did a great job...
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Agreed!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That Officer did a great job...
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Agreed!!
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With devil didn't mean cops=evil per se but devil=hell=hot as in cop=complex job/ungrateful job/a lot of different attitudes to handle=not easiest of professions. OR to put it in words once a cop you must develop thick skin and even when faced with a total asshole remain civil and within law. That was my point.
Still IS IT LEGAL TO WALK DOWN THE STREET WITH SEMI MP5 OR NOT?
What the f.. is the brain damage here...
IF YOU think it not wise/smart to do such a thing since most people will get scared and you will have trouble with police I THINK this is an answer to the next question whether or not such right should exists (AND YOU YOURSELF with above notion "notwise/smart" - DENY IT) and obviously it should not as majority (some even in shooting community) is against.... Either use it or loose it that's how it is.
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Lol... You're trying to spin the meaning of an analogy you made in an attempt to make sense when it clearly was wrong from the beginning.
Because you have the right to free speech do you feel compelled to walk down the street screaming obscenities and hate just because you can, and would you condone someone else doing it just because they can?
Or how about your right to free assembly and those that assemble "peacefully" directly in the path of officers trying to arrest someone and do their duties? You must believe it acceptable to increase an LEO's risk based on your rights to do something just for the sake of doing it and in result oppressing another persons rights based on their job... right?
There's a difference between exercising your rights responsibly and flaunting your rights for the sake of attention and an attempt to provoke others into harming you. It's much like Peewee Herman verbally assaulting a UFC fighter then screaming "Free Speech!" when he gets his fucking nose broke(that's an actual analogy).
The excuse being tossed around that they're representatives of the government and therefore getting the reprisal of others angry with the government is even more asinine. I don't see people trying to create altercations with the DOL, IRS, DSHS, or any other Agency which enforces laws against it's citizens on behalf of "The Man" and then youtubeing it. Oh wait... that's right... there's no money in it for them and those agencies are unarmed so they don't have the same dramatic impact of an aggressor...
That moron doesn't give a shit about his 2A rights and given an actual situation he would likely run for cover with his .22 converted MP5. He doesn't give a shit about protecting others and he's the same useless oxygen thief that would say nothing to an aggressor verbally assaulting someone else for fear of someone actually exerting force on him and having to actually deal with a real aggressor and not one he fabricated by his own doing with the least probability of actual physical harm. He's in it for attention and the hopes of a payday and using the 2A to do so... nothing more.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With devil didn't mean cops=evil per se but devil=hell=hot as in cop=complex job/ungrateful job/a lot of different attitudes to handle=not easiest of professions. OR to put it in words once a cop you must develop thick skin and even when faced with a total asshole remain civil and within law. That was my point.
Still IS IT LEGAL TO WALK DOWN THE STREET WITH SEMI MP5 OR NOT?
What the f.. is the brain damage here...
IF YOU think it not wise/smart to do such a thing since most people will get scared and you will have trouble with police I THINK this is an answer to the next question whether or not such right should exists (AND YOU YOURSELF with above notion "notwise/smart" - DENY IT) and obviously it should not as majority (some even in shooting community) is against.... Either use it or loose it that's how it is.
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Lol... You're trying to spin the meaning of an analogy you made in an attempt to make sense when it clearly was wrong from the beginning.
Because you have the right to free speech do you feel compelled to walk down the street screaming obscenities and hate just because you can, and would you condone someone else doing it just because they can?
Or how about your right to free assembly and those that assemble "peacefully" directly in the path of officers trying to arrest someone and do their duties? You must believe it acceptable to increase an LEO's risk based on your rights to do something just for the sake of doing it and in result oppressing another persons rights based on their job... right?
There's a difference between exercising your rights responsibly and flaunting your rights for the sake of attention and an attempt to provoke others into harming you. It's much like Peewee Herman verbally assaulting a UFC fighter then screaming "Free Speech!" when he gets his fucking nose broke(that's an actual analogy).
The excuse being tossed around that they're representatives of the government and therefore getting the reprisal of others angry with the government is even more asinine. I don't see people trying to create altercations with the DOL, IRS, DSHS, or any other Agency which enforces laws against it's citizens on behalf of "The Man" and then youtubeing it. Oh wait... that's right... there's no money in it for them and those agencies are unarmed so they don't have the same dramatic impact of an aggressor...
That moron doesn't give a shit about his 2A rights and given an actual situation he would likely run for cover with his .22 converted MP5. He doesn't give a shit about protecting others and he's the same useless oxygen thief that would say nothing to an aggressor verbally assaulting someone else for fear of someone actually exerting force on him and having to actually deal with a real aggressor and not one he fabricated by his own doing with the least probability of actual physical harm. He's in it for attention and the hopes of a payday and using the 2A to do so... nothing more.
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
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Lol... You're trying to spin the meaning of an analogy you made in an attempt to make sense when it clearly was wrong from the beginning. </div></div>
Whatever...
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Lol... You're trying to spin the meaning of an analogy you made in an attempt to make sense when it clearly was wrong from the beginning. </div></div>
Whatever...
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
The little dicks should have said thank you and shook his hand. He was cool about it and it could have gone much worse. Carrying something like that in plain sight while walking down a city street is begging for something to happen, almost hard to believe it wasn't something bad. They couldn't even believe how cool he was, like it didn't register to them. They kept spouting useless BS like how much full autos cost and that he should have known they couldn't afford one... That was weak
The little dicks should have said thank you and shook his hand. He was cool about it and it could have gone much worse. Carrying something like that in plain sight while walking down a city street is begging for something to happen, almost hard to believe it wasn't something bad. They couldn't even believe how cool he was, like it didn't register to them. They kept spouting useless BS like how much full autos cost and that he should have known they couldn't afford one... That was weak
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JelloStorm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: victory</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JelloStorm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know guys. While I can agree that it's bad form, he really did nothing wrong.
I truly believe that LEO needs to be educated about open-carry laws.
NOW, on the same argument, I do understand the opponents view. If some homeboy is walking down my development with an AK-47 slung to his side Somalia-style, then yeah I would be a bit nervous. <span style="color: #FF0000">Racist much?</span>
This is a hard topic to pick sides on, as I don't think anyone can argue one way or the other (intelligently) without seeing the other side's point of view. </div></div>
I don't see how anyone could see this jerk offs point of view. He did what he did to cause a problem and start an argument with a cop with the hopes of getting him to infringe on his rights. He wasn't someone who was open carrying and was stopped, he went out with the point of getting stopped. He tried to remember as much as his pea sized brain could hold so he would have talking points on video.
I'm not a big fan of open carry, but if you want to do it, it is your right. Doing it just so you can try and catch someone messing up decision that is made pretty much on the spot is ridiculous. I don't know what your job is, but I am guessing it doesn't involve choices that can end your life if you make the wrong one. There are good cops and bad cops just like any job out there. Trying to contrive a scenario like this just so you can record it is dangerous and idiotic.
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I'm not racist, but I do live in an area that is plagued by gang/drug violence so that was the best analogy I could come up with.
If I'm in Walmart and see some old guy packing a 1911 he's had for 40 years vs. some gangbanger / punk / trash carrying a gun... yeah you'd be nervous too.</div></div>
Uh, yeah. Where's that that's so ghetto up there in North Central PA?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JelloStorm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: victory</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JelloStorm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know guys. While I can agree that it's bad form, he really did nothing wrong.
I truly believe that LEO needs to be educated about open-carry laws.
NOW, on the same argument, I do understand the opponents view. If some homeboy is walking down my development with an AK-47 slung to his side Somalia-style, then yeah I would be a bit nervous. <span style="color: #FF0000">Racist much?</span>
This is a hard topic to pick sides on, as I don't think anyone can argue one way or the other (intelligently) without seeing the other side's point of view. </div></div>
I don't see how anyone could see this jerk offs point of view. He did what he did to cause a problem and start an argument with a cop with the hopes of getting him to infringe on his rights. He wasn't someone who was open carrying and was stopped, he went out with the point of getting stopped. He tried to remember as much as his pea sized brain could hold so he would have talking points on video.
I'm not a big fan of open carry, but if you want to do it, it is your right. Doing it just so you can try and catch someone messing up decision that is made pretty much on the spot is ridiculous. I don't know what your job is, but I am guessing it doesn't involve choices that can end your life if you make the wrong one. There are good cops and bad cops just like any job out there. Trying to contrive a scenario like this just so you can record it is dangerous and idiotic.
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I'm not racist, but I do live in an area that is plagued by gang/drug violence so that was the best analogy I could come up with.
If I'm in Walmart and see some old guy packing a 1911 he's had for 40 years vs. some gangbanger / punk / trash carrying a gun... yeah you'd be nervous too.</div></div>
Uh, yeah. Where's that that's so ghetto up there in North Central PA?
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
i am curious about how the officer checked operation for "full auto." closing bolt and dropping the hammer doesn't prove much does it? enlighten me if i am wrong.
i am curious about how the officer checked operation for "full auto." closing bolt and dropping the hammer doesn't prove much does it? enlighten me if i am wrong.
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
He probably function checked it. Empty chamber, send bolt home, pull trigger, hold trigger to rear, work the bolt, if the hammer follows the bolt voila you have a F/A. If the trigger resets then you have a semi auto
He probably function checked it. Empty chamber, send bolt home, pull trigger, hold trigger to rear, work the bolt, if the hammer follows the bolt voila you have a F/A. If the trigger resets then you have a semi auto
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
Sharak wrote: "Still is it legal to walk down the street with a semi MP-5 or not?"
From what I saw, the officer was not contacting the subject over a semi-automatic firearm. What the officer wanted to determine was whether the gun was fully-automatic. That may have just been his PC for making contact with the subject. But he was well within his pervue for making this contact based on the visual inspection of the firearm from a distance.
My interpretation is also that there is no problem carrying a semi automatic OR a FULL auto (ie. Class III) weapon on open carry in that jurisdiction. But to possess a Class III on open carry (or under any circumstances), you have to be prepared to present, on demand, your BATF-issued federal Class III registration and tax stamp. Those documents are required 'on demand' because possession of any un-registered Class III is a federal felony. Officer was not harrassing someone for open carry of a semi-automatic. He was ensuring that the paperwork was in order for what could have been a fully-automatic (and thus tightly controlled) firearm.
Officer determined that the "MP5" was a semi-automatic .22. He specifically mentioned for the camera that "Based on my experience and training I determine that this is a .22 and likely not an automatic." (paraphrase) And he did not request BATFE tax stamp/paperwork as a result of his observations while handling the firearm.
Again, officer demonstrated knowledge of the law (both his local/state laws and federal firearms/Class III law.) And he showed a knowledge of firearms. He didn't violate the subjects rights. He demonstrated good officer safety procedures. His backup was professional and knew when to hold back. Good day for the officer! And great job. Guy is a credit to his department and our profession.
Per the comment above... "just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD." Amen.
I am all for lawful open carry and lawful concealed carry. But intentional baiting does little but create situations that can make everyone look bad. Glad the citizen is passionate about 2nd Amendment rights. So am I. But IMHO, there are some better ways to exercise that right and pursue that passion than trying to create on-camera incidents with LE.
Then again, he'es exercising his First Amendment right and I'll defend that right with my last breath, too.
Cheers,
Sirhr
Sharak wrote: "Still is it legal to walk down the street with a semi MP-5 or not?"
From what I saw, the officer was not contacting the subject over a semi-automatic firearm. What the officer wanted to determine was whether the gun was fully-automatic. That may have just been his PC for making contact with the subject. But he was well within his pervue for making this contact based on the visual inspection of the firearm from a distance.
My interpretation is also that there is no problem carrying a semi automatic OR a FULL auto (ie. Class III) weapon on open carry in that jurisdiction. But to possess a Class III on open carry (or under any circumstances), you have to be prepared to present, on demand, your BATF-issued federal Class III registration and tax stamp. Those documents are required 'on demand' because possession of any un-registered Class III is a federal felony. Officer was not harrassing someone for open carry of a semi-automatic. He was ensuring that the paperwork was in order for what could have been a fully-automatic (and thus tightly controlled) firearm.
Officer determined that the "MP5" was a semi-automatic .22. He specifically mentioned for the camera that "Based on my experience and training I determine that this is a .22 and likely not an automatic." (paraphrase) And he did not request BATFE tax stamp/paperwork as a result of his observations while handling the firearm.
Again, officer demonstrated knowledge of the law (both his local/state laws and federal firearms/Class III law.) And he showed a knowledge of firearms. He didn't violate the subjects rights. He demonstrated good officer safety procedures. His backup was professional and knew when to hold back. Good day for the officer! And great job. Guy is a credit to his department and our profession.
Per the comment above... "just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD." Amen.
I am all for lawful open carry and lawful concealed carry. But intentional baiting does little but create situations that can make everyone look bad. Glad the citizen is passionate about 2nd Amendment rights. So am I. But IMHO, there are some better ways to exercise that right and pursue that passion than trying to create on-camera incidents with LE.
Then again, he'es exercising his First Amendment right and I'll defend that right with my last breath, too.
Cheers,
Sirhr
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He probably function checked it. Empty chamber, send bolt home, pull trigger, hold trigger to rear, work the bolt, if the hammer follows the bolt voila you have a F/A. If the trigger resets then you have a semi auto </div></div> thank you!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He probably function checked it. Empty chamber, send bolt home, pull trigger, hold trigger to rear, work the bolt, if the hammer follows the bolt voila you have a F/A. If the trigger resets then you have a semi auto </div></div> thank you!
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
I got that (legal/good actions from officer) and everyone who actually reads posts should get that. My point was mostly that:
1. As various LE organizations use baiting (although i believe this is not really lawful - dunno for sure) i find nothing morally wrong with returning in kind especially due to western societies become more and more "police states".
2. Responses such we've seen (about punching etc..) are certainly not encouraging when seen in light of Constitution but are more telling about why the point 1 is happening and some really cannot differentiate between free society based on law and order and fascist totalitarian state (which is most often result of citizens mistaking security and safety with erosion of basic rights)
3.While i agree it's probably not the best idea to provoke encounters its clear that some officers are uneducated, public not used to open carry/scared. More and more "incidents" do happen where cops go over legal boundaries so these people are doing something about it and while perhaps they'd get a negative grade for impression and style in my book they get max grade for effort and probably they are more effective than yapping about it on the forums and moaning how rights get eroded by some boogieman.
4. As to the making unnecessary work for LEOs well if LEOs werent like doctors protecting each others ass regardless of transgressions perhaps there would be no need to force such an encounters and IMO this officer from the video has no problem being "baited" about ANYTHING while some LEOs (some who have posted on the forum on various topics) i would assume have a lot to fear and their response to this tactics has more to do with fear of being caught then sincere concern over this issue.
I got that (legal/good actions from officer) and everyone who actually reads posts should get that. My point was mostly that:
1. As various LE organizations use baiting (although i believe this is not really lawful - dunno for sure) i find nothing morally wrong with returning in kind especially due to western societies become more and more "police states".
2. Responses such we've seen (about punching etc..) are certainly not encouraging when seen in light of Constitution but are more telling about why the point 1 is happening and some really cannot differentiate between free society based on law and order and fascist totalitarian state (which is most often result of citizens mistaking security and safety with erosion of basic rights)
3.While i agree it's probably not the best idea to provoke encounters its clear that some officers are uneducated, public not used to open carry/scared. More and more "incidents" do happen where cops go over legal boundaries so these people are doing something about it and while perhaps they'd get a negative grade for impression and style in my book they get max grade for effort and probably they are more effective than yapping about it on the forums and moaning how rights get eroded by some boogieman.
4. As to the making unnecessary work for LEOs well if LEOs werent like doctors protecting each others ass regardless of transgressions perhaps there would be no need to force such an encounters and IMO this officer from the video has no problem being "baited" about ANYTHING while some LEOs (some who have posted on the forum on various topics) i would assume have a lot to fear and their response to this tactics has more to do with fear of being caught then sincere concern over this issue.
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
What a jackov. I understand being able to open carry a handgun, but what those kids were doing is baiting for a reaction.
What a jackov. I understand being able to open carry a handgun, but what those kids were doing is baiting for a reaction.
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree witht the above statements, with one qualification. The officer said "You mus admit you have given me <span style="color: #990000">"reasonable suspicion to assume </span> ". Why? If Im walking down the streedt with a baseball bat is that "reasonable suspicion to assume" that Im going to bash someones head in. NOPE. Its just a sign of the times we live in today. Theres an old saying about assumptions. No disrespect to the officer involved, he did a great job of dealing with a situation he probably didnt want to deal with. And I loved his line about.."With you guys in the neighborhood there wont be much crime"..That was great.
Well done.
It wasn't a Fucking Baseball Bat ! It was a possible automatic weapon, get it. Don't mix apples and orange juice, jesus christ. Are you fucking high? Resonable suspicion and Probable Cause is what keeps things managable. Sign up for their shift a few time and see where you "REALLY" fit in. Your tune will change immediately. Damn good job and yes, someone's gotta do it. Just not most of you.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree witht the above statements, with one qualification. The officer said "You mus admit you have given me <span style="color: #990000">"reasonable suspicion to assume </span> ". Why? If Im walking down the streedt with a baseball bat is that "reasonable suspicion to assume" that Im going to bash someones head in. NOPE. Its just a sign of the times we live in today. Theres an old saying about assumptions. No disrespect to the officer involved, he did a great job of dealing with a situation he probably didnt want to deal with. And I loved his line about.."With you guys in the neighborhood there wont be much crime"..That was great.
Well done.
It wasn't a Fucking Baseball Bat ! It was a possible automatic weapon, get it. Don't mix apples and orange juice, jesus christ. Are you fucking high? Resonable suspicion and Probable Cause is what keeps things managable. Sign up for their shift a few time and see where you "REALLY" fit in. Your tune will change immediately. Damn good job and yes, someone's gotta do it. Just not most of you.
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Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1J04</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It wasn't a Fucking Baseball Bat ! It was a possible automatic weapon, get it. Don't mix apples and orange juice, jesus christ. Are you fucking high? Resonable suspicion and Probable Cause is what keeps things managable. Sign up for their shift a few time and see where you "REALLY" fit in. Your tune will change immediately. Damn good job and yes, someone's gotta do it. Just not most of you.
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Wait...... Who give a flying rats ass if it was an auto.
As for your comment about "most of you" you can't even edit a post properly so how about you go plat shit.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1J04</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It wasn't a Fucking Baseball Bat ! It was a possible automatic weapon, get it. Don't mix apples and orange juice, jesus christ. Are you fucking high? Resonable suspicion and Probable Cause is what keeps things managable. Sign up for their shift a few time and see where you "REALLY" fit in. Your tune will change immediately. Damn good job and yes, someone's gotta do it. Just not most of you.
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Wait...... Who give a flying rats ass if it was an auto.
As for your comment about "most of you" you can't even edit a post properly so how about you go plat shit.
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
I was not aware that you were allowed to walk down the street with an assault rifle just slung over your shoulder. I thought it had to be something that was holstered.
And on a side note that dude was a dick, and while I congratulate the officer for being so professional, as pro gun as I am, I'm not so sure things would have gone down the same way had I been in his shoes. Like really dude? You're carrying an MP5 down the street? The guy is asking to get shot.
I was not aware that you were allowed to walk down the street with an assault rifle just slung over your shoulder. I thought it had to be something that was holstered.
And on a side note that dude was a dick, and while I congratulate the officer for being so professional, as pro gun as I am, I'm not so sure things would have gone down the same way had I been in his shoes. Like really dude? You're carrying an MP5 down the street? The guy is asking to get shot.
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbateman™</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wait...... Who give a flying rats ass if it was an auto.
As for your comment about "most of you" you can't even edit a post properly so how about you go plat shit. </div></div>
The whole reason for the stop was based upon the probable cause that it appeared to possibly be an automatic weapon, so it's more than relevant. Before you start lecturing people on their posting abilities you might try brushing up on your reading abilities...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbateman™</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wait...... Who give a flying rats ass if it was an auto.
As for your comment about "most of you" you can't even edit a post properly so how about you go plat shit. </div></div>
The whole reason for the stop was based upon the probable cause that it appeared to possibly be an automatic weapon, so it's more than relevant. Before you start lecturing people on their posting abilities you might try brushing up on your reading abilities...
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got that (legal/good actions from officer) and everyone who actually reads posts should get that. My point was mostly that:
1. As various LE organizations use baiting (although i believe this is not really lawful - dunno for sure) i find nothing morally wrong with returning in kind especially due to western societies become more and more "police states".
<span style="color: #FF0000">And how exactly are they baiting people?</span>
2. Responses such we've seen (about punching etc..) are certainly not encouraging when seen in light of Constitution but are more telling about why the point 1 is happening and some really cannot differentiate between free society based on law and order and fascist totalitarian state (which is most often result of citizens mistaking security and safety with erosion of basic rights)
<span style="color: #FF0000">So much win here... Please point out 1 "fascist totalitarian state" that wasn't created without the primary use of military forces for policing domestically, and those Countries never had the rights we do which made them vulnerable to such actions.</span>
3.While i agree it's probably not the best idea to provoke encounters its clear that some officers are uneducated, public not used to open carry/scared. More and more "incidents" do happen where cops go over legal boundaries so these people are doing something about it and while perhaps they'd get a negative grade for impression and style in my book they get max grade for effort and probably they are more effective than yapping about it on the forums and moaning how rights get eroded by some boogieman.
<span style="color: #FF0000">You mean more incidents are widely published. People seem to forget that with the introduction of video on phones, the internet, and more accessible news media information is brought into public light far faster and in larger quantity. Unless you can provide a valid reference for LE abuse now compared to over the last 100 years your just spewing opinion with no factual basis.</span>
4. As to the making unnecessary work for LEOs well if LEOs werent like doctors protecting each others ass regardless of transgressions perhaps there would be no need to force such an encounters and IMO this officer from the video has no problem being "baited" about ANYTHING while some LEOs (some who have posted on the forum on various topics) i would assume have a lot to fear and their response to this tactics has more to do with fear of being caught then sincere concern over this issue.
<span style="color: #FF0000">Objection again... more speculation. So now you're assuming every LE reaction here is based upon a fear of their own behavior? Do you make this shit up as you go along or do you really think it about before making broad speculations and accusations?</span>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got that (legal/good actions from officer) and everyone who actually reads posts should get that. My point was mostly that:
1. As various LE organizations use baiting (although i believe this is not really lawful - dunno for sure) i find nothing morally wrong with returning in kind especially due to western societies become more and more "police states".
<span style="color: #FF0000">And how exactly are they baiting people?</span>
2. Responses such we've seen (about punching etc..) are certainly not encouraging when seen in light of Constitution but are more telling about why the point 1 is happening and some really cannot differentiate between free society based on law and order and fascist totalitarian state (which is most often result of citizens mistaking security and safety with erosion of basic rights)
<span style="color: #FF0000">So much win here... Please point out 1 "fascist totalitarian state" that wasn't created without the primary use of military forces for policing domestically, and those Countries never had the rights we do which made them vulnerable to such actions.</span>
3.While i agree it's probably not the best idea to provoke encounters its clear that some officers are uneducated, public not used to open carry/scared. More and more "incidents" do happen where cops go over legal boundaries so these people are doing something about it and while perhaps they'd get a negative grade for impression and style in my book they get max grade for effort and probably they are more effective than yapping about it on the forums and moaning how rights get eroded by some boogieman.
<span style="color: #FF0000">You mean more incidents are widely published. People seem to forget that with the introduction of video on phones, the internet, and more accessible news media information is brought into public light far faster and in larger quantity. Unless you can provide a valid reference for LE abuse now compared to over the last 100 years your just spewing opinion with no factual basis.</span>
4. As to the making unnecessary work for LEOs well if LEOs werent like doctors protecting each others ass regardless of transgressions perhaps there would be no need to force such an encounters and IMO this officer from the video has no problem being "baited" about ANYTHING while some LEOs (some who have posted on the forum on various topics) i would assume have a lot to fear and their response to this tactics has more to do with fear of being caught then sincere concern over this issue.
<span style="color: #FF0000">Objection again... more speculation. So now you're assuming every LE reaction here is based upon a fear of their own behavior? Do you make this shit up as you go along or do you really think it about before making broad speculations and accusations?</span>
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Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
As stated before, just because you can doesn't mean you should. Excersising your rights should be done with common sense and sound judgement not for the purpose of instigating a confrontation. It's legal for me to express my opinion but if someone called my wife vulgar names expressing the 1st. amendment they would get alot of unwanted attention from me. Unfortunately one of these open carry activists is going to make some overt gesture a less than seasoned officer is going to mistake for a move toward the weapon and get shot. This will only fuel the anti-gunners fire.
As stated before, just because you can doesn't mean you should. Excersising your rights should be done with common sense and sound judgement not for the purpose of instigating a confrontation. It's legal for me to express my opinion but if someone called my wife vulgar names expressing the 1st. amendment they would get alot of unwanted attention from me. Unfortunately one of these open carry activists is going to make some overt gesture a less than seasoned officer is going to mistake for a move toward the weapon and get shot. This will only fuel the anti-gunners fire.
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
Examples of baiting are available in the news just open your eyes. Usually it goes like this "someone plans to do some acts of vandalism" some LE agency plants informer/mole, mole/informer suggests instead of vandalism lets blow up a bridge or two or do some other crime and provide means for them, idiot planners come to pickup stuff needed, LE agency makes the news as fighting "domestic terrorism"...
Hehe really u have rights i guess you really protested when your politicians wrote and accepted Patriot Act and NDAA?
Obviously in your eyes everything is super and great and the real problem are citizens who cause trouble for LE, Government. I guess we should just shoot the assholes not paying enough respect to hard working protectors of public...
I really don't know whether you're just ignorant or playing dumb but your history is full of examples of cops covering for other crooked cops but i guess they don't anymore since you say so...
Examples of baiting are available in the news just open your eyes. Usually it goes like this "someone plans to do some acts of vandalism" some LE agency plants informer/mole, mole/informer suggests instead of vandalism lets blow up a bridge or two or do some other crime and provide means for them, idiot planners come to pickup stuff needed, LE agency makes the news as fighting "domestic terrorism"...
Hehe really u have rights i guess you really protested when your politicians wrote and accepted Patriot Act and NDAA?
Obviously in your eyes everything is super and great and the real problem are citizens who cause trouble for LE, Government. I guess we should just shoot the assholes not paying enough respect to hard working protectors of public...
I really don't know whether you're just ignorant or playing dumb but your history is full of examples of cops covering for other crooked cops but i guess they don't anymore since you say so...
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
Right, Wrong, or Indifferent. Ya Fuck With The Po Po U R Asking 2 Get Fucked With Back, Period.
All the bitching about the cops this, the cops that. Really? THOSE people crack me up. Wanna focus some attention on something constructive? Go do something about Jimmy down the street beating up old ladies and burning them in their beds for a little meth money. How bout the guy raping the little kid down the street or crack head Bob selling in school zone to kids. Nah, ain't my job nor my problem, I get it.
So, hmmmmm, who the hell should we turn to now, I know, the fucking cops. Those rat bastards will do something about it.
Kills me. The same people doing the crime turn around and call the cops for help when "they" get ripped off or "they" get the shit beat outta them, then of course bad mouth LE.
Thank your lucky stars if you've never experienced a true police/military state (country) and marshal law. We got it pretty good. Enjoy your freedom and don't be dipshit like the video tard.
Right, Wrong, or Indifferent. Ya Fuck With The Po Po U R Asking 2 Get Fucked With Back, Period.
All the bitching about the cops this, the cops that. Really? THOSE people crack me up. Wanna focus some attention on something constructive? Go do something about Jimmy down the street beating up old ladies and burning them in their beds for a little meth money. How bout the guy raping the little kid down the street or crack head Bob selling in school zone to kids. Nah, ain't my job nor my problem, I get it.
So, hmmmmm, who the hell should we turn to now, I know, the fucking cops. Those rat bastards will do something about it.
Kills me. The same people doing the crime turn around and call the cops for help when "they" get ripped off or "they" get the shit beat outta them, then of course bad mouth LE.
Thank your lucky stars if you've never experienced a true police/military state (country) and marshal law. We got it pretty good. Enjoy your freedom and don't be dipshit like the video tard.
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
That Officer is my "Hero" !
When I see the motto "Protect and Serve" on a 5-0 rod , that officer is who I will have in the back of my mind from this point forward. As for "Expresso 2A" boy, he brings back to memory one of my dear A-hole buddies in H.S. that pushed everything to the limits just to do it! In my little mind they are both Extreme Professionals at what they do
That Officer is my "Hero" !
When I see the motto "Protect and Serve" on a 5-0 rod , that officer is who I will have in the back of my mind from this point forward. As for "Expresso 2A" boy, he brings back to memory one of my dear A-hole buddies in H.S. that pushed everything to the limits just to do it! In my little mind they are both Extreme Professionals at what they do
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
(As for your comment about "most of you" you can't even edit a post properly so how about you go plat shit.)
Hmm. Been to your wonderful island numerous times and the phrase "plat shit" escapes me. Queens english? Is it good or bad, plat shit that is? Just wondering. The more I say it the more I Don't like it, fucking POM Banana Bender. LMAO
(As for your comment about "most of you" you can't even edit a post properly so how about you go plat shit.)
Hmm. Been to your wonderful island numerous times and the phrase "plat shit" escapes me. Queens english? Is it good or bad, plat shit that is? Just wondering. The more I say it the more I Don't like it, fucking POM Banana Bender. LMAO
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Examples of baiting are available in the news just open your eyes. Usually it goes like this "someone plans to do some acts of vandalism" some LE agency plants informer/mole, mole/informer suggests instead of vandalism lets blow up a bridge or two or do some other crime and provide means for them, idiot planners come to pickup stuff needed, LE agency makes the news as fighting "domestic terrorism"...
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Okay, We get it, you hate cops.
Now that you have made the accusation that U.S. LE agencies conspire to commit acts of domestic terrorism, please provide some proof.
I actually believe that the Patriot Act is unconstitutional and should be struck down.
The Police Officer involved is well within his rights to check on the legality of the firearm in question.
He is also within his rights to make contact on nothing more than the fact that, depending on state law, this ass clown is behaving in a manner calculated to cause public alarm. He is INTENTIONALLY displaying a firearm in order to cause a reaction by law enforcement.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Examples of baiting are available in the news just open your eyes. Usually it goes like this "someone plans to do some acts of vandalism" some LE agency plants informer/mole, mole/informer suggests instead of vandalism lets blow up a bridge or two or do some other crime and provide means for them, idiot planners come to pickup stuff needed, LE agency makes the news as fighting "domestic terrorism"...
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Okay, We get it, you hate cops.
Now that you have made the accusation that U.S. LE agencies conspire to commit acts of domestic terrorism, please provide some proof.
I actually believe that the Patriot Act is unconstitutional and should be struck down.
The Police Officer involved is well within his rights to check on the legality of the firearm in question.
He is also within his rights to make contact on nothing more than the fact that, depending on state law, this ass clown is behaving in a manner calculated to cause public alarm. He is INTENTIONALLY displaying a firearm in order to cause a reaction by law enforcement.
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
Link..
Don't put words into my mouth and either read entire post or ignore it.
I nowhere stated i hate cops what i hate are crooked cops and uneducated and incompetent cops. Little people who grow to 6.6 when they get firearm and a dress and marked car. What i hate are cops who would fuck you over to get an approving glance from their boss, who would shoot you because you get in the way of them chasing some bad guy and then blame it on you cause you dont duck fast enough.
Furthermore if you've read my post you'd see <span style="font-weight: bold">i said police officer handled it good</span> and that i no way state that he either shouldn't check or that guy with MP5 wasn't being a dick. But THAT comes with a job (handling of dicks - so from persons choosing this profession i simply won't accept bitching about it later in their career).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He is INTENTIONALLY displaying a firearm in order to cause a reaction by law enforcement. </div></div>
Whatever his intention is of no concern of yours as long as he can legally do it and with it i see no infringement on YOUR right. It's fucking pathetic, "a cop hater" from a far far away land has to draw the fucking picture of what liberty stands for and what YOU USED to stand for.
Edit: Bolded my wording for easier focus of readers and to add definition good=had checked dude is not a nutcase with a rampage plan and at the same time remained extremely civil in spite MP5 person lacking civility.
Link..
Don't put words into my mouth and either read entire post or ignore it.
I nowhere stated i hate cops what i hate are crooked cops and uneducated and incompetent cops. Little people who grow to 6.6 when they get firearm and a dress and marked car. What i hate are cops who would fuck you over to get an approving glance from their boss, who would shoot you because you get in the way of them chasing some bad guy and then blame it on you cause you dont duck fast enough.
Furthermore if you've read my post you'd see <span style="font-weight: bold">i said police officer handled it good</span> and that i no way state that he either shouldn't check or that guy with MP5 wasn't being a dick. But THAT comes with a job (handling of dicks - so from persons choosing this profession i simply won't accept bitching about it later in their career).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He is INTENTIONALLY displaying a firearm in order to cause a reaction by law enforcement. </div></div>
Whatever his intention is of no concern of yours as long as he can legally do it and with it i see no infringement on YOUR right. It's fucking pathetic, "a cop hater" from a far far away land has to draw the fucking picture of what liberty stands for and what YOU USED to stand for.
Edit: Bolded my wording for easier focus of readers and to add definition good=had checked dude is not a nutcase with a rampage plan and at the same time remained extremely civil in spite MP5 person lacking civility.
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
So can one read intentions all the time? I understand where your coming from but come on, really? If you or one of your family members was in a crowd and was killed by a rampage gunmen and an officer saw that gunmen before hand freely walking, open carry and could have at least engaged the man in conversation in attempts to read his intentions, wouldn't you want them to if it saved yours or a loved ones life?
That's apart of what we try to do, everything is not always black and white even if the law says it is. I see it on a daily basis on the street level and in the courts all the way to the federal level.
I understand exactly your point but It blows my mind that you can't see anyone elses point either and at least acknowledge the fact the officer has RS and a responsibility to his community to keep it safe, regardless of any amendment or subsection.
So can one read intentions all the time? I understand where your coming from but come on, really? If you or one of your family members was in a crowd and was killed by a rampage gunmen and an officer saw that gunmen before hand freely walking, open carry and could have at least engaged the man in conversation in attempts to read his intentions, wouldn't you want them to if it saved yours or a loved ones life?
That's apart of what we try to do, everything is not always black and white even if the law says it is. I see it on a daily basis on the street level and in the courts all the way to the federal level.
I understand exactly your point but It blows my mind that you can't see anyone elses point either and at least acknowledge the fact the officer has RS and a responsibility to his community to keep it safe, regardless of any amendment or subsection.
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Disgard last paragraph of last post, just re-read and I think we are all in agreeance the RS was there.
Disgard last paragraph of last post, just re-read and I think we are all in agreeance the RS was there.
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So, you are surprised that they used someone with a criminal record as an informant?
Here is a link to the definition of entrapment:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/entrapment
In case you are too fixated to read it, basically it comes down to this: An agent or official ORIGINATES the idea and INDUCES someone to commit an offense.
And yes, it is my concern if in fact he is committing an act for no other purpose than causing a reaction by law enforcement. While in this case it is difficult to prove, in MANY jurisdictions, it is itself, an illegal act.
So, you are surprised that they used someone with a criminal record as an informant?
Here is a link to the definition of entrapment:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/entrapment
In case you are too fixated to read it, basically it comes down to this: An agent or official ORIGINATES the idea and INDUCES someone to commit an offense.
And yes, it is my concern if in fact he is committing an act for no other purpose than causing a reaction by law enforcement. While in this case it is difficult to prove, in MANY jurisdictions, it is itself, an illegal act.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Examples of baiting are available in the news just open your eyes. Usually it goes like this "someone plans to do some acts of vandalism" some LE agency plants informer/mole, mole/informer suggests instead of vandalism lets blow up a bridge or two or do some other crime and provide means for them, idiot planners come to pickup stuff needed, LE agency makes the news as fighting "domestic terrorism"...
Hehe really u have rights i guess you really protested when your politicians wrote and accepted Patriot Act and NDAA?
Obviously in your eyes everything is super and great and the real problem are citizens who cause trouble for LE, Government. I guess we should just shoot the assholes not paying enough respect to hard working protectors of public...
I really don't know whether you're just ignorant or playing dumb but your history is full of examples of cops covering for other crooked cops but i guess they don't anymore since you say so...
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You've given ZERO references with that statement but simply put up imaginary examples and ridiculous ones at that. And yes I do think you should respect Law Enforcement, but I never implied your wild tangent of shooting oxygen thieves although it does sound nice on occasions like this. And you know nothing about me or my "history" but like everything else speculate away...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Examples of baiting are available in the news just open your eyes. Usually it goes like this "someone plans to do some acts of vandalism" some LE agency plants informer/mole, mole/informer suggests instead of vandalism lets blow up a bridge or two or do some other crime and provide means for them, idiot planners come to pickup stuff needed, LE agency makes the news as fighting "domestic terrorism"...
Hehe really u have rights i guess you really protested when your politicians wrote and accepted Patriot Act and NDAA?
Obviously in your eyes everything is super and great and the real problem are citizens who cause trouble for LE, Government. I guess we should just shoot the assholes not paying enough respect to hard working protectors of public...
I really don't know whether you're just ignorant or playing dumb but your history is full of examples of cops covering for other crooked cops but i guess they don't anymore since you say so...
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You've given ZERO references with that statement but simply put up imaginary examples and ridiculous ones at that. And yes I do think you should respect Law Enforcement, but I never implied your wild tangent of shooting oxygen thieves although it does sound nice on occasions like this. And you know nothing about me or my "history" but like everything else speculate away...
Re: Cool Cop v.s. Citizen Open Carry of MP5 Clone 22LR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbateman™</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wait...... Who give a flying rats ass if it was an auto.
As for your comment about "most of you" you can't even edit a post properly so how about you go plat shit. </div></div>
The whole reason for the stop was based upon the probable cause that it appeared to possibly be an automatic weapon, so it's more than relevant. Before you start lecturing people on their posting abilities you might try brushing up on your reading abilities...
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Yeah I know the reason for the stop was based on the fact that it may have been a class111 weapon, but as far as I can tell you can walk down the street with one as long as you have a class111 licence and it's registered.
My response was more about oldmates attitude towards others, than the stop on the video which I think went very well.
If there were more cops like that society would be a better off.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbateman™</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wait...... Who give a flying rats ass if it was an auto.
As for your comment about "most of you" you can't even edit a post properly so how about you go plat shit. </div></div>
The whole reason for the stop was based upon the probable cause that it appeared to possibly be an automatic weapon, so it's more than relevant. Before you start lecturing people on their posting abilities you might try brushing up on your reading abilities...
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Yeah I know the reason for the stop was based on the fact that it may have been a class111 weapon, but as far as I can tell you can walk down the street with one as long as you have a class111 licence and it's registered.
My response was more about oldmates attitude towards others, than the stop on the video which I think went very well.
If there were more cops like that society would be a better off.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If every gun owner open carried all the time the libs would get used to it and it wouldnt be an issue. </div></div>
This is it right here ^^^^, good on the LEO he did very well, likely due to having seen or dealt with this type of thing before.
even though the kid was being stand offish I think it's still a good thing that he is willing to exercise he's right to carry.
there in canada if I was to do this even though it is legal ,providing it is not a restricted firearm, I'd have the ERT guys taking me down that’s only because we don't do this type of thing up here ever.
shit there was a guy in my city just recently who was dressed up like some videogame corrector (master chief) on his was to an event that was stopped by i believe it was no less than 17 cops .
around christmass of last year there as a guy in the city putting on a "club" anti-theft device in his truck and some concerned citizen called the cops (thought it was a shotgun, which is still legal), and wouldn’t you know it the ERT showed up and pulled him from the house...
just have a look up here use it or lose it , exercise your rights.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If every gun owner open carried all the time the libs would get used to it and it wouldnt be an issue. </div></div>
This is it right here ^^^^, good on the LEO he did very well, likely due to having seen or dealt with this type of thing before.
even though the kid was being stand offish I think it's still a good thing that he is willing to exercise he's right to carry.
there in canada if I was to do this even though it is legal ,providing it is not a restricted firearm, I'd have the ERT guys taking me down that’s only because we don't do this type of thing up here ever.
shit there was a guy in my city just recently who was dressed up like some videogame corrector (master chief) on his was to an event that was stopped by i believe it was no less than 17 cops .
around christmass of last year there as a guy in the city putting on a "club" anti-theft device in his truck and some concerned citizen called the cops (thought it was a shotgun, which is still legal), and wouldn’t you know it the ERT showed up and pulled him from the house...
just have a look up here use it or lose it , exercise your rights.
