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Re: Ambush Method for Moving Targets
Yeah if not it elimantes follow throuh just as in shooting a shotgun, golf or throwing a baseball.
If you stop the rifle, you stop the lateral movement of the bullet which is probably still in the barrelwhen you stop movement of the rifle.
Yeah if not it elimantes follow throuh just as in shooting a shotgun, golf or throwing a baseball.
If you stop the rifle, you stop the lateral movement of the bullet which is probably still in the barrelwhen you stop movement of the rifle.
Re: Ambush Method for Moving Targets
In ambush, you keep the rifle on a given point, you do not follow the target at all. Realize that follow through is there to prevent errors that occur in the instant the rifle is fired. In this case, you are keeping the rifle still just as if the target were stationary. You fire at the moment the target reached the proper lead point on the reticle.
Ambush requires the shooter to be able to get a perfect trigger release ON DEMAND, rather than applying pressure for a surprise break. Ambush is best used on targets at medium to long range, moving at a steady pace and where the shooter can control the timing of the shot.
Tracking is where the gun moves with the target, and proper follow through there means you keep tracking the target as you fire, if you stop, you've really stopped just BEFORE the shot fired and will be behind the target. Tracking is best on close range or fleeting targets, or when command fire on multiple targets is required.
In ambush, you keep the rifle on a given point, you do not follow the target at all. Realize that follow through is there to prevent errors that occur in the instant the rifle is fired. In this case, you are keeping the rifle still just as if the target were stationary. You fire at the moment the target reached the proper lead point on the reticle.
Ambush requires the shooter to be able to get a perfect trigger release ON DEMAND, rather than applying pressure for a surprise break. Ambush is best used on targets at medium to long range, moving at a steady pace and where the shooter can control the timing of the shot.
Tracking is where the gun moves with the target, and proper follow through there means you keep tracking the target as you fire, if you stop, you've really stopped just BEFORE the shot fired and will be behind the target. Tracking is best on close range or fleeting targets, or when command fire on multiple targets is required.
Re: Ambush Method for Moving Targets
I'd start with Cory's reply and go from there, he pretty much nailed it.
I'd start with Cory's reply and go from there, he pretty much nailed it.
Re: Ambush Method for Moving Targets
Kraig's response would apply to tracking, not ambush. There is no 'lateral movement of the bullet' (well, none that matters anyway), but stoping when tracking will leave you shooting behind, because the lead you are holding decreases if you stop the movement prior to the shot breaking.
In ambush, you are not moving the rifle at all, you hold on a point in space, wait for the correct lead to exist and fire, following through exactly the same as on a shot for a stationary target. As Graham says, you must know your trigger, this is a time when the shot must break on demand, but without moving the rifle by jerking it.
Kraig's response would apply to tracking, not ambush. There is no 'lateral movement of the bullet' (well, none that matters anyway), but stoping when tracking will leave you shooting behind, because the lead you are holding decreases if you stop the movement prior to the shot breaking.
In ambush, you are not moving the rifle at all, you hold on a point in space, wait for the correct lead to exist and fire, following through exactly the same as on a shot for a stationary target. As Graham says, you must know your trigger, this is a time when the shot must break on demand, but without moving the rifle by jerking it.
Re: Ambush Method for Moving Targets
Short range is 0-100, medium 200-300, past that is long range. We normally shoot movers up to 400, although we can run the robots out to a mile if need be.
Short range is 0-100, medium 200-300, past that is long range. We normally shoot movers up to 400, although we can run the robots out to a mile if need be.
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I prefer ambush method but it can give you a 'fit' at close range. If you ever try using it with a SFP scope (high magnification ,small FOV),you'll learn some bad language.
I prefer ambush method but it can give you a 'fit' at close range. If you ever try using it with a SFP scope (high magnification ,small FOV),you'll learn some bad language.
Re: Ambush Method for Moving Targets
I tend to favor the ambush method, but it only works for me on rifles where I'm very familiar with and confident of the trigger. Like Cory explained, I have to be able to release the trigger on demand.
I tend to favor the ambush method, but it only works for me on rifles where I'm very familiar with and confident of the trigger. Like Cory explained, I have to be able to release the trigger on demand.
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I have only been shooting long range for about 2 years, I have never shot or been trained on movers. Is there a formula for figuring out leads on movers, assuming I am using the ambush method. Is one methode better than the other. I shoot a lot of skeet and sporting clays and follow throughh is essential. I just think moving the rifle at any distance and trying to follow through would be tough. Thanks in advance.
Sean
I have only been shooting long range for about 2 years, I have never shot or been trained on movers. Is there a formula for figuring out leads on movers, assuming I am using the ambush method. Is one methode better than the other. I shoot a lot of skeet and sporting clays and follow throughh is essential. I just think moving the rifle at any distance and trying to follow through would be tough. Thanks in advance.
Sean
Re: Ambush Method for Moving Targets
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sch2046</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have only been shooting long range for about 2 years, I have never shot or been trained on movers. Is there a formula for figuring out leads on movers, assuming I am using the ambush method. Is one methode better than the other. I shoot a lot of skeet and sporting clays and follow throughh is essential. I just think moving the rifle at any distance and trying to follow through would be tough. Thanks in advance.
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There is a formula, but it's field impractical. Nobody whips out a calculator as soon as a moving target appears.
Most simply run walking speed (2-3mph) on a ballistic calculator and reflect that on their dope card.
We shoot walking and running movers all the time from 200 to 600 yards, so these are near & dear to me. We also have a movers clinic on Nov. 18th near Lancaster PA. That will be posted in the training classes area.
Remember that the wind is still there. And above all else, your leads (no matter how carefully computed) are still based on your <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">ESTIMATE</span></span> of how fast the target is moving laterally. So you will have to add or subtract some lead more often than not.
Some people shoot better using ambush, and others using tracking. Try them both and use what works the best for you.
It may not be the most popular statement on the subject but this has to be experienced and practiced in order to develop proficiency.
--Fargo007
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sch2046</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have only been shooting long range for about 2 years, I have never shot or been trained on movers. Is there a formula for figuring out leads on movers, assuming I am using the ambush method. Is one methode better than the other. I shoot a lot of skeet and sporting clays and follow throughh is essential. I just think moving the rifle at any distance and trying to follow through would be tough. Thanks in advance.
Sean </div></div>
There is a formula, but it's field impractical. Nobody whips out a calculator as soon as a moving target appears.
Most simply run walking speed (2-3mph) on a ballistic calculator and reflect that on their dope card.
We shoot walking and running movers all the time from 200 to 600 yards, so these are near & dear to me. We also have a movers clinic on Nov. 18th near Lancaster PA. That will be posted in the training classes area.
Remember that the wind is still there. And above all else, your leads (no matter how carefully computed) are still based on your <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">ESTIMATE</span></span> of how fast the target is moving laterally. So you will have to add or subtract some lead more often than not.
Some people shoot better using ambush, and others using tracking. Try them both and use what works the best for you.
It may not be the most popular statement on the subject but this has to be experienced and practiced in order to develop proficiency.
--Fargo007
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For instance, you can see here that Mike is using the ambush technique, while I prefer tracking.
--Fargo007
For instance, you can see here that Mike is using the ambush technique, while I prefer tracking.
--Fargo007
Re: Ambush Method for Moving Targets
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fargo007</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For instance, you can see here that Mike is using the ambush technique, while I prefer tracking.
--Fargo007
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Thanks Freddy, Lancaster is pretty far for me. Is that a 40 watt pulse laser you guys are shooting.....jk I will check with my partner about the training.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fargo007</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For instance, you can see here that Mike is using the ambush technique, while I prefer tracking.
--Fargo007
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Thanks Freddy, Lancaster is pretty far for me. Is that a 40 watt pulse laser you guys are shooting.....jk I will check with my partner about the training.
