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Help choose a single purpose rifle...

turbo54

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The game:

3 sighters (total, all taken prior to the FIRST shot for score), then 5 shots for score at 200 yards, 5@300, 5@400, 5@500 and 5@600. All shots are taken on the same target face, which has a 3" 3-point ring, an 8" 2-point ring and a 14" 1-point ring. There is no appreciable time pressure. This is shot on a square range where there isn't a lot of wind, but what wind is there, is tricky, generally coming from 4 o'clock.

This is a 7-match series divided into two classes; factory and custom.

In the past, "factory" has been loosely defined but for next year, it must be BOX STOCK, with an optic and bipod dropped on. My stock TRG42 isn't "factory" because it wears the Sako muzzle brake that wasn't installed out of the box.

So, I need a new rifle.

While a 308 is certainly good to 600 yards, the points spread is sooo close at these matches, I am convinced it would be stupid to choose one.

I am budgeting myself $2000 to buy a suitable rifle (less optics/mounts/bipod).

So far, I am considering:

Savage LRP in 260
Savage FClass in 6.5-284
Tikka T3 Sporter in 260 or 6.5x55 (would need to tool up for 6.5x55)


Any other ideas?

Remember, the rifle can NOT be modified at ALL so it's gotta be a lights out hammer just how it is delivered.
 
Re: Help choose a single purpose rifle...

Bud's gun shop has the Savage 12 LRP in 6.5 CM and 260 rem for ~ $850. Hard to beat that!

Just curious, would an AI rig count as a "box stock factory"?
 
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Close your eyes and pick one, I would prefer the Savage over the Tikka but for this application any of those listed will do great.
 
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I'm curious to see the results of this since I want a .260 bolt gun that isn't going to break the bank.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LCDR JGB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bud's gun shop has the Savage 12 LRP in 6.5 CM and 260 rem for ~ $850. Hard to beat that!

Just curious, would an AI rig count as a "box stock factory"? </div></div>

My thoughts exactly in regard to the LRP. At only 600 yards, 6.5-284 doesn't have much advantage over the 260 or 6.5CM. I'd probably go 260 only because I'm already tooled/brassed for it.

Funny you ask about the AI... The match director really wants to win the factory class next season, and just got an AI to attempt it with- so of COURSE the AI is "factory"!! Honestly, this is my key motivation to stay in factory, forcing me to buy a new rifle to do so. Would be great fun to lay the smack down on that AI with an $850 Savage.

Groton, huh? I grew up in Old Lyme.
 
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I had a stock savage 6br that would shoot the 105 Amax and 107 SMK in the 1's. I think it cost me about $800 and was a great rifle.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about Cooper firearms? http://www.cooperfirearms.com/

The model 21 I had was the most accurate stock rifle I've owned, .4's were common. </div></div>

Ballpark price?

I wonder if that'll pass as a "factory" rifle. I can tell you a GAP Crusader isn't considered factory.
 
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if that'll pass than my crusader will pass as factory also !!! it's as is out of the box
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ejb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if that'll pass than my crusader will pass as factory also !!! it's as is out of the box </div></div>

I think the whole thing is BS, for the record.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about Cooper firearms? http://www.cooperfirearms.com/

The model 21 I had was the most accurate stock rifle I've owned, .4's were common. </div></div>

Ballpark price?

I wonder if that'll pass as a "factory" rifle. I can tell you a GAP Crusader isn't considered factory. </div></div>

I'd rate them a higher grade factory rifle.

You can point out to the guy running the match that most factory rifles can be outfitted in a myriad of ways strait from the factory.

I think the guy putting these matches on should impose a cap on the price for the rifles to make it fair for everyone.

I used to go to a combat pistol shoot where the guy running the match would set up the courses of fire to benefit his strong points. He was fast on paper but sucked on steel so there was a trailer full of steel not being used,LOL. Hopefully your MD isn't like that.
 
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What kind of rest or support is used? This can make a difference in your decision because not all stocks are equal in different positions. If you are prone off a bipod, then the T3 Sporter Stock would seem best. If its off a bench, then the Savage LRP stock would likely work better.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LCDR JGB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bud's gun shop has the Savage 12 LRP in 6.5 CM and 260 rem for ~ $850. Hard to beat that!

Just curious, would an AI rig count as a "box stock factory"? </div></div>

My thoughts exactly in regard to the LRP. At only 600 yards, 6.5-284 doesn't have much advantage over the 260 or 6.5CM. I'd probably go 260 only because I'm already tooled/brassed for it.

Funny you ask about the AI... The match director really wants to win the factory class next season, and just got an AI to attempt it with- so of COURSE the AI is "factory"!! Honestly, this is my key motivation to stay in factory, forcing me to buy a new rifle to do so. Would be great fun to lay the smack down on that AI with an $850 Savage.

Groton, huh? I grew up in Old Lyme. </div></div>


I'd love to see the factory Savage beat anything just because... however, can't you order an AI in 260 from Mile High? It came out of the box in your living room that way...

Or send the AI over to Mr. Tooley for a 7mm-08 and it's a "factory" gun as he's the AI barrel factory for the USA

Ah the games we play to win... If you're not cheating you're not trying.
 
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The rifle won't win a match. The shooter has to win. It doesn't matter of you're shooting a Savage, AI, or custom, the shooter has to drive it. I've seen guys always wiggle up to the top whether it be with their factory Savage or full-out custom rifles.

That said, the .308 should be fine for 600, but it never hurts to go with a 6mm or 6.5mm. Whatever you choose, let it be a good platform to build on when the "bone-stock" interest disappears.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rifle won't win a match. The shooter has to win. It doesn't matter of you're shooting a Savage, AI, or custom, the shooter has to drive it. I've seen guys always wiggle up to the top whether it be with their factory Savage or full-out custom rifles.

That said, the .308 should be fine for 600, but it never hurts to go with a 6mm or 6.5mm. Whatever you choose, let it be a good platform to build on when the "bone-stock" interest disappears.

</div></div>

Some excellent points, Tyler.

To be clear, I am not implying the right rifle will win the match itself. However, I AM saying the competition is close enough a good marksman needs a solid, good-shooting rifle to win.

Two shooters in the "custom class" are always vying for the win, and the fellow shooting a 6.5mm almost always edges out the fellow with the 308 by a point here and a point there. Points don't come easy.

In regard to fading interest in the "bone-stock" rifle... When I'm bored of it, it will be sold. I have enough other rifles.
 
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I like the lrp but it I can't get a good cheek weld with the stock using a 50 mil obj 20moa base and it almost touching the barrel.
 
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By his rules DTA should be legal too.

If I could afford it and was a righty I would buy a DTA.
 
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I would run a 6mmBR in a stock Remington 40xb. Oh I should add, order it from the custom shop with a fast twist barrel. It just might be one of the most accurate rifles you own.
 
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<span style="text-decoration: line-through">A Tikka in 6BR would be my choice. The 6BR is the king at 600 yds. ...and less. And you can buy loaded Lapua ammo in 2 choices of bullet weight-90 and 105gr. Scenars (pron. "Skennars"). For accuracy you can't beat the 6BR for a production rifle caliber.</span>
Bollox! They don't produce it in 6BR any more.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2012/09/300m-european-cup-finals-dominated-by-6mmbr-shooters/
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2012...-495-aggregate/
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Love, love that Tikka Sporter.

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Me too. I want to buy one of these.
 
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Im with bward. A Savage 6br would be my choice at those ranges. Accuracy and consistency of the BR is hard to beat.
 
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Not to disagree with you guys but if he is on a 2k budget for the rifle your money would be better spent on the 40XB. I have seen plenty of good shooting Savages (of all models) but on average the 40xb will have a better chance to be more accurate. Again not tring to piss any one off or start a debate, just tring to advise based on personal experence (with a pretty large sample rate).
 
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I messed the less optics and bipod. If i had 2000 to spend on a stock rifle it would surely be the 40XB.
 
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It probably will depend on if you're a better shooter than the guy with the AI. I've got a 12LRP in 6.5CM and don't think with equal shooters that it would win. I think you could expect somewhere between.5-1 MOA (avg. not just best groups) probably the likelihood of getting either extreme would be similar to a bell curve distribution.

This would probably be the best bet for beating AI in that price range from the factory?

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2008/07/savage-6br-factory-rifle-delivers-superb-accuracy/
 
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You can order a faster twist from the Remington Custom shop.
 
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Turbo, I am not sure where your at in MI, but if you want to run out to Howell some weekend and shoot my FCP Mcm 308 you are more than welcome to see how you like the feel of the Savage bolt and Accutrigger.
 
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Thanks man, but I have a Savage with Accutrigger, it's just not stock anymore.

ETA: I'm in the AA area, would be happy to meet up and do some shooting sometime anyway!