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Something apparently unexplainable happening with my custom hunting rifle

randello88

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Hi everyone, i am living a very weird situation with the new rifle i recently put togheter. 308 barile in barre, defiance action and manners stock with mini chassis. It was put togheter by a very good smith here in Italy. The rifle shoots very well, it is by far the best rifle I have had in this regard, it prints consistently .3 MOA 5 shot groups at 100 m (110 yards) with three different factory ammo. I didn’t believe it was possibile until i got this jewel. That said, i am struggling. I used to use 250 meters max rifles. They are easy to use: mpbr, point > press the trigger > dead deer. With this rifle i installed a scope capable of longer shots (NX8 4-32x50) and i use the high magjification as a spotting scope for selective hunting. Shots are anyway inside 500 yards (on a small 50 lb roe deer this is already a pretty long distance). That said, what gives me issues is the zero: I went to the shooting range 2 times lately, on the first time groups were forming 1.5 inches above the bullseye at 100 m, exactly as i want. Second trip (no changes in anything but the day) bullets were impacting 2 inches above the bullseye. I thought it was a matter of bipod loading and a little bit more relaxed handling of the rifle during the shot or stuff like this. That said, i adjusted the zero stop 1 click (0.1 MIL, so 1 cm at 100 m) in order to get lower shots (at this point between 1.25 inches and 1.75 inches depending on the hold of the rifle and positional shooting while hunting). I went hunting, killed a nice buck (75 meters from me) and then i took a couple shots to confirm all my zeroing in field conditions. I was expecting impacts max 1.25 inches above the bullseye since i was resting the bipod on a softer surface in comparison to the rubber mat used at the range. Two shots in one hole, as usual for this rifle, but more than 3 inches above the bullseye!

Why is that?
The scope is mounted properly and i rececked everything today, inculding another box test (not firing, only paper), torque values, etc. Everything is perfect. I didn’t accidentally moved the elevation turret.

Something came up to my mind: I used to keep ammo in a cooler room before but we are talking about a few degrees difference and i also zeroed the gun at 250 feet elevation and today i shot at 800 feet more or less. The temperature was also a bit warmer today and i was slightly on a slope
When shooting (a very mild slope so i was shooting from up to down. To me a difference of more than 2 inches at 110 yards is definitely too much. (2 inches talking into account that regulation i did moving 0.1
MIL down the shots before going hunting.


Could just my position behind the rifle on that terrain (very different from the Shooting range Conditions) Impact the POI This Much just because i am now using a bipod? The fact that the groups are still very tiny confuses me..

I should add that during the test in field conditions (after the hunt) the target was in the shade of some threes and i had the sunlight getting almost on my face directly, when i zeroed it was the opposite (i was in a pretty dark room at the range and the target was in full sunlight)
 
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What do you mean with “ammo variation”? Are you referring to the storage temperature conditions or something else? If it can help, Ammo are factory geco (RWS). They are the same lot but actually it just came to my mind the fact that i bought these ammo (even if they are the same lot N) in two different moments (3 or 4 weeks apart) and now I have them mixed togheter (impossible to know wich one are from the early batch and which ones are from the “late” one, considering they are the same lot I didn’t separate them).. I higly doubt one is loaded so much differently considering they are the same lot though, and also considering they are both shooting one hole groups..

Since mechanically everything seems to be fine, i am starting thinking that the different shooting conditions had a major role.. lighting especially.. i am looking in other threads and it seems like for not so clear reasons when you shoot with the sunlight in your face you tend to shoot higher 🤔

If you guys have no idea then i am lost 😂
 
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Maybe i was too close to the ground and there was the blast deflection? When a bullet leaves the muzzle if there is ground very close the blast can affect the trajectory upwards. I noticed it in some occasions. At the shooting range where i zeroed the rifle the ground is not uniform and there is a concrete structure in front of the muzzle to reduce noise.. I know that this prenomenon can affect greatly point of impact
 
It seems like there are so many variables that the only way is to try in several corcumstances, in conditions as similar as possibile to when you hunt.. and accept that there is a little unpredictability. This gun prints .3 MOA groups all day but if I can manage to get 1 MOA Max shift in different conditions and shooting positions for hunting i am ok
 
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What affects the bullet is gravity. Gravity works over the horizontal distance. When shooting up or downhill, the line of sight distance is not the same as the horizontal distance. Some range finders take this into account.

This may not be your problem, but it's always something to consider in the field.

Good luck.
 
Light, it's best to shoot at a target with no sun light on it, so mornings or evenings with sun behind target, or shadowed behind trees. Also a 5 shot zero group is a small sample. Shoot 4x 5 shot groups compile them atop one another, and now you have your rifles real accuracy and zero.
 
You are most likely not at NPA and putting too much head pressure on stock during the shot and follow through, pushing your shots high. Assuming its not an equipment failure issue, I would bet money that is the most likely issue.

And yes there are a million variables. That's the game.

There are NPA drills you can do before you fire your first shot. Dry Fire is your friend.
 
How do you guys cope with all of this while shooting long range and need a first shot impact in a new enviroment?

Also what makes a specific rifle less forgiving to positional changes behind the rifle? I am not sure this is the case with my rifle but let’s see what you say
 
Shoot a minimum of 15 rds for zero check. This group will likely be 0.5-0.7moa. Zero to the center of rifles cone of fire. If lighting, oddities, who knows what can throw you 0.1 mil in any direction you now add that into the equation and you essentially have a 0.8-1 moa system. Luckily in comp targets are typically 2 moa, so if you can get within 2mph on your wind call and break a good shot you'll be on target.

As far as a rifle being less forgiving behind the rifle in different positions, weight, recoil and how good/poor a position you built to manage recoil are the biggest factors.

Having the scope set up properly and having no parallax present will also help eliminate system errors in the shot process. Always at least try to maintain the same head position and eye alignment to the scope no matter the position shooting.