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Navy Seal or is he?

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Hello every one hope all is well. So my GF's uncle is claming to be a US Navy Seal Sniper from the Vietnam war. Not that I don't believe him but he just don't fit the bill.

If there is a way 2 find this info out please PM me for his info.

Thanks for the help. I hope his personal claim of Valor is truthful but even his family members are questioning it. I didn't ask him what his class number is or his dates of service were. All I know is that he is saying he served during the Vietnam war as above.

 
Re: Navy Seal or is he?

I would ask him which class he graduated from, who his swim buddy was, and where was he stationed at with which team... I'm sure there's a couple squids here who will know though lol...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AVILA33</div><div class="ubbcode-body">SEAL or not he served his country its messed up that your calling him out like this </div></div>

Fuck that. If I had a dollar for every douche nozzle wanna be operator that claimed to be SF and never even actually served I'd be fucking rich.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AVILA33</div><div class="ubbcode-body">SEAL or not he served his country its messed up that your calling him out like this </div></div>

Haha Yeah OK.
 
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Those who say, "perhaps hold your fire", have a point, but personally, I have pulled that trigger twice, both were phony ass wannabes, and both folded like the shitheads they are.
Contact Socnet, or the Chief mentioned above. Submit that info, and wait a short bit. They have access to the class files.
In the case of one here locally, he appeared in the paper as the new county economic development person, and claimed to be a SEAL. I sent his name in to Socnet, and within hours proved him to be a phony who hadn't even served. Socnet contacted our County Commissioners, and provided the information. Our Commissioner is a retired Marine. It was not pretty.
The other had convoluted and detailed claims of being a Ranger, and on the FBI protected witness program (an immediate red flag, and phonier than an 3 dollar bill), and a medically retired firefighter from a large city. He was BSing a young lady who is the daughter of a friend of mine. She was all starry-eyed. Right: phony on all 3 points.
These people are filthier than a dogshit soiled shoe sole. They deserve NO mercy, no quarter.
If socnet says he is legit, then drop it. They won't reveal anything or that you inquired.
 
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Thanks guys! I never called it BS all I am saying is that there have been ALOT of claims from him and most real operators don't talk the way he does. If he is the real deal them he is the real deal. No harm no foul. This is mainly for my GF's personal info and her family's.
 
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Just wait. There's a couple guys here who I'm sure come morning can confirm for you discreetly. The real question is if you find out he's a fake then what? How much do you like your GF cause there's no positive ending once you out him...
 
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This is just between myself, Hide , and my GF. If he is not then I will politely take him out back and have a talk with him. If he is I will continue respecting him for what he has done for our country.
 
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I would remove his name at least from your post.

It is fine to ask about resources, even to the point of telling the story.
You should leave the mans name off the internet though.
 
Re: Navy Seal or is he?

I have a similar situation. My aunts new husband is claiming to be a Marine Sniper , which I think is slap in the face to the real Marines that made it though to become a USMC Sniper. Is there a way that I can prove he is a phony and a liar. It just makes me sick hearing him tell his stories about all his confirmed kills. And by the way he was in the Marine Core for 3 years.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would remove his name at least from your post.

It is fine to ask about resources, even to the point of telling the story.
You should leave the mans name off the internet though.</div></div>


Sure I didn't think of it that way. I was just assuming that if someone had found some info they would PM. Actually I will take his hole name off and if anyone has a way to find this info out please PM me for his info.
 
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Check it, it doesn't do anything. If he brags that much I bet u a good portion is phony. I wish more people would validate stories so the stolen valor fuck heads get called out.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Check it, it doesn't do anything. If he brags that much I bet u a good portion is phony. I wish more people would validate stories so the stolen valor fuck heads get called out. </div></div>

+1
 
Re: Navy Seal or is he?

I appreciate everyone that ever served, regardless of rank or job. But to say you are something when you are not is shameful. These guys are obvious sociopaths that feel they have to impress others by BS stories of thier accomplishments.

They prob read a book about a guy who did something cool once.............

I've heard the stories, even had an instructor tell a class he went to BUDS but couldnt remember his class number. Really??? BS

I never served. I'm proud and honored to work with those who did and still do. To all of you who have, I thank you.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CaptRob</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Marine <span style="color: #FF0000">Core</span> </div></div>

Corps
 
Re: Navy Seal or is he?

You could always ask Don.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twitch2120</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Were the SEALS called SEALS by Nam? i thought the name was post Nam. </div></div>

I believe the SEALS actually became 'SEALS' for Vietnam. I think the navy had some rudimentary form of them before then but they did mostly "sea"

i'll see if i can dig up some reliable info
 
Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Maelek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twitch2120</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Were the SEALS called SEALS by Nam? i thought the name was post Nam. </div></div>

I believe the SEALS actually became 'SEALS' for Vietnam. I think the navy had some rudimentary form of them before then but they did mostly "sea"

i'll see if i can dig up some reliable info </div></div>

I'm pretty sure that they were called UDT (under water demolition teams) in 'nam and didn't become SEALs until sometime later but I might have that mixed up with WWII or Korea.
 
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My father in law exhibited very un-masculine traits not characteristic of a seal. I submitted a records request to the national archives and found out he was a coasty. Then I called him out at the last family get together... he got upset and left. But he felt like the douche bag that he was. I saw the look in his eyes.

An inquiry with the national archives takes about 6 months, but it can be oh so worth it.

-Evan
 
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US Navy SEALs were founded in 1962. Here is the phone number for the Quarter Deck at NAB Coronado (760) 725- 1288. Ask for the SEAL registry. You can give the sailors name and service number, and they will verify a persons service on a SEAL Team. Some banter for those that have an interest: Jesse Ventura graduated from BUDs class 58, assigned to UDT12 and reserve SEAL Team One. He did not serve in a combat role in Viet Nam, was stationed in Subic Bay PI. My buddy Ray "Slim" W was a plank holder on Team One and served in the Phoenix Program. Lost all his fingers and both thumbs nearly freezing to death at his ranch in Hanksville a few winters ago. Most guys would have just died, not Slim. Bart "Boomer" J was also an original chingo. Any senior enlisted SEAL that lets an SF combat diver sign for a Draeger and go swimming with the teams is alright in my book. He even let me dive the tower. Jeff at Trident did 30 years on the teams and is still serving as a civilian. The old school SEALs walked the walk and talked the talk. The new guys are pretty cool cats also. Glen D who was just last week killed in Libya was a great guy, was a hard core Snowbird powder hound, and all around good friend to many people. He died a hero and will be missed. Centurion, T3, Xi, all SEAL owned and operated businesses. Check them out if you have an interest.
 
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I personally don't know any SEALS, but I know a lot of Recon Marines and MARSOC guys.

When talking to them you would have no idea they were and are SF.

When my best friend got killed a lot of the guys talked about what he did and his accomplishments, stuff he just blew off like it was no big deal. At the funeral I made a comment to one of his team mates, I said "Dan never talked about the schools he completed, or about the awards he received.". His buddy said "no SF guys do, it's the ones who do brag and talk that you need to be wary of."
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm pretty sure that they were called UDT (under water demolition teams) in 'nam and didn't become SEALs until sometime later but I might have that mixed up with WWII or Korea</div></div>

Nah, they were called SEALS in Vietnam. Never seen any over there but in my class at Benning's jump school in '66 we had SEALS,

Suckers climbed the 250 Tower during the night and hung a flag made out of a bed sheet that said "SEALS" then had to do a bunch of extra PT.

They were still called SEALS in '74-75. I was in the AK NG's 38th SF Company. We had a joint (training) operation with some SEALS.

Afterwards they showed us some BS propaganda film about SEAL training. When the film was over the head SEAL, (don't remember if he was a chief or what) asked, "Well, what do you think?"

I was younger then and not known for keeping my mouth shut so I says; "Good thing they got rid of the draft cause you guys hadn't been in the service yet".

After that comment I found out the SEALS weren't that tuff, at least they couldn't catch me. I was younger back then and could run, now I'm 65, got a bad ticker and copd, so I learned to keep my mouth shut cause I can't run.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 11B-B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My father in law exhibited very un-masculine traits not characteristic of a seal. I submitted a records request to the national archives and found out he was a coasty. Then I called him out at the last family get together... he got upset and left. But he felt like the douche bag that he was. I saw the look in his eyes.

An inquiry with the national archives takes about 6 months, but it can be oh so worth it.

-Evan </div></div>

Ouch...

I'll bet there are volumes of column space you could fill on the things that have happened since.
 
Re: Navy Seal or is he?

Point is though....I don't feel sorry for the SEAL "wannabe's" who get called out and exposed. Serves em' right.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HD1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Point is though....I don't feel sorry for the SEAL "wannabe's" who get called out and exposed. Serves em' right.</div></div> AMEN,
And it should be the latest craze, sport, and favorite passtime.
 
Re: Navy Seal or is he?

Sure if a guy goes out in public wearing a uniform and Trident, or starts a web page with all his BS stories, then he gets all he deserves. If the guy in question keeps it in the family, so should his confrontation be.

Some men can brush it off, some will eat a 1911. As long as OP is cool with either scenario.
 
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WWII they were called frogmen or somthing..

idk im just a dumb Marine.
 
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Seals are ghey anyways why talk like your a flipper wearing tattoo'd Pre-madonna.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seals are ghey anyways why talk like your a flipper wearing tattoo'd Pre-madonna. </div></div>

Makin Buffalo meat snowmen lol
 
Re: Navy Seal or is he?

I usually question a lot of people who tell me they served not only in Viet Nam, but in the Marines and Army as well. If they mention elite forces, all the more I ask about what and where.
The looks, movements, and behaviors usually are a good tell, but sometimes that's not enough. During the last coupl eyears I have threatened four ass whoopings if the asshole didn't stop talking shit and shut the fuck up. Best part is what the rest of teh students do when they find out...cold shoulder silent treatment doesn't even fit.
The latest was a 1LT who wore a long tab, claimed to have served at a certain base in A-Stan during of all times OEF VII. When it came up that one, he didn;t rate the long tab, and two, he was never on that small box, I asked him who so and so was. he had no clue, and the best part is that if you were anywhere near that little box, you knew so and so because he was the guy on the roof smoking cigars all the time(that would be how we met and enjoyed a certain brand of coffee syrup).
Last I heard this pne was not only swapped to the 'local command' up here at Ft C, but he was also being investigated for AWOL for not being in class when he was supposed to. The best part though? One professor declared his class a failure thus preventing his graduation and obtaining his degree. Oh wait, it gets even better. Now he gets to pay back the Army or whoever for ALL college expenses. I think he;s pretty much done
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sure if a guy goes out in public wearing a uniform and Trident, or starts a web page with all his BS stories, then he gets all he deserves. If the guy in question keeps it in the family, so should his confrontation be.

Some men can brush it off, some will eat a 1911. As long as OP is cool with either scenario. </div></div>

That's retarded... So it's ok as long as they only lie to the people who are the closest to them? And please point out an example where someone had stolen valor and upon their outing they opted out. If someone's retarded enough to lie to their own family then eat a bullet because the truth came out then I guess I'm a dick for thinking 2 words... Natural Selection.
 
Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seals are ghey anyways why talk like your a flipper wearing tattoo'd Pre-madonna. </div></div>

gay%20sailors.jpg
 
Re: Navy Seal or is he?

Had a slime-ball boss that claimed he was a RIO assigned to the USS Forrestal and was on board in 1967 (same time as McCain and the missle disaster). Did a little research - he was a liar. Later, I overheard him talk about being a chopper pilot in 'Nam. What a loser liar.

Kevin
 
Re: Navy Seal or is he?

I worked with an arrogant pipefitter this year who kept throwing out his past in "special weapons" in the Navy working as a fitter on "nukes" and "50cal sniper rifles". He even claimed he had to call into the DoD for permission to leave the state everytime because of his security clearance. I let this shit go until he told his bullshit stories to a homeowner who was a combat vet missing his right arm. I mentioned there are resources available to verify his claims but he just said everything was classified. Ding, ding! We have a liar.
 
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There is a man i know a few counties up the road that wears a Trident patch on his Denim jacket and can spin a tail of stories when he gets drunk. I can't prove he is or isn't a seal. but maybe someone can answer a question i have. Can a real seal give someone A Trident patch as a gift and can that person wear it in public? In my heart he is a fake and if so i have no problem exposing him for what he is.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sure if a guy goes out in public wearing a uniform and Trident, or starts a web page with all his BS stories, then he gets all he deserves. If the guy in question keeps it in the family, so should his confrontation be.

Some men can brush it off, some will eat a 1911. As long as OP is cool with either scenario. </div></div>

That's retarded... So it's ok as long as they only lie to the people who are the closest to them? And please point out an example where someone had stolen valor and upon their outing they opted out. If someone's retarded enough to lie to their own family then eat a bullet because the truth came out then I guess I'm a dick for thinking 2 words... Natural Selection. </div></div>
http://www.cnn.com/US/9605/16/boorda.6p/

Look, you do not have to agree with me, you only have to go on one call to pick up the little pieces of a Marines skull, or pack and wrap a sailor who has hung themselves. Had a Senior Chief cut his own stomach open because he got passed over for Master Chief(selected then pulled by his skipper) etc etc.

We all have a need for approval, if we didnt these boards would not exist. Guys would not post pics of their rifles and groups and all that. Now some folks take it to the extreme and create lies to fit in, some tell these lies so long that they start to believe them as truth. It sickens me to listen to a pathological liar, and no I do not think it is right for this guy to BS his family.

As a leader I have always learned to praise in public and punish in private. If this guy only bragged to a close network of people, then why humiliate in front of the whole world. If he made these claims to the public, then he is responsible to the public.

It is just the way I think and the way I led. We all can not think the same as there would be no balance. In the end it is up to OP to decide what to do.
 
Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CaptRob</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a similar situation. My aunts new husband is claiming to be a Marine Sniper , which I think is slap in the face to the real Marines that made it though to become a USMC Sniper. Is there a way that I can prove he is a phony and a liar. It just makes me sick hearing him tell his stories about all his confirmed kills. And by the way he was in the Marine Core for 3 years. </div></div>

I have found that he more bs someone blurts out loud, the more fake they are.
Real operators who have "been there, done that" don't talk about it.
Trying to get them to talk about their experience is often like pulling teeth.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sure if a guy goes out in public wearing a uniform and Trident, or starts a web page with all his BS stories, then he gets all he deserves. If the guy in question keeps it in the family, so should his confrontation be.

Some men can brush it off, some will eat a 1911. As long as OP is cool with either scenario. </div></div>

That's retarded... So it's ok as long as they only lie to the people who are the closest to them? And please point out an example where someone had stolen valor and upon their outing they opted out. If someone's retarded enough to lie to their own family then eat a bullet because the truth came out then I guess I'm a dick for thinking 2 words... Natural Selection. </div></div>
http://www.cnn.com/US/9605/16/boorda.6p/

Look, you do not have to agree with me, you only have to go on one call to pick up the little pieces of a Marines skull, or pack and wrap a sailor who has hung themselves. Had a Senior Chief cut his own stomach open because he got passed over for Master Chief(selected then pulled by his skipper) etc etc.

We all have a need for approval, if we didnt these boards would not exist. Guys would not post pics of their rifles and groups and all that. Now some folks take it to the extreme and create lies to fit in, some tell these lies so long that they start to believe them as truth. It sickens me to listen to a pathological liar, and no I do not think it is right for this guy to BS his family.

As a leader I have always learned to praise in public and punish in private. If this guy only bragged to a close network of people, then why humiliate in front of the whole world. If he made these claims to the public, then he is responsible to the public.

It is just the way I think and the way I led. We all can not think the same as there would be no balance. In the end it is up to OP to decide what to do.
</div></div>

Between this and the PTSD thread, please enter reality. If the truth drives someone to suicide, then well, maybe they're needing to hear it more than not; a good pat on the head can do them no good when they're diving deeper into the fantasy world of " I was X" when they were really Y, Z, or back around to B-- never being Alpha.

Approval, or need for it, when it enters the realm of abject lying, is no excuse to not call out the BS. Especially when it's stealing the valor of good and honorable men; even more so when it's stealing from a family the chance to face this obstacle and negotiate it towards better days and healing from this man's inane bullshit-- if it is inane bullshit.
 
Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelman303</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CaptRob</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a similar situation. My aunts new husband is claiming to be a Marine Sniper , which I think is slap in the face to the real Marines that made it though to become a USMC Sniper. Is there a way that I can prove he is a phony and a liar. It just makes me sick hearing him tell his stories about all his confirmed kills. And by the way he was in the Marine Core for 3 years. </div></div>

I have found that he more bs someone blurts out loud, the more fake they are.
Real operators who have "been there, done that" don't talk about it.
Trying to get them to talk about their experience is often like pulling teeth. </div></div>

Agreed 100%
 
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We've got one of those in my family. I was pretty impressed by his stories as a kid, until another familey member pulled me outside at a reunion. Less impressed with the wannabee after our little discussion, and way more impressed with they guy who told me where wannabee got his stories.
My dad. Two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star; the Bronze Star has an add-on that basically means he earned it twice; he was a corpsman in Korea.
The family lets wannabee ramble, we all know he's lying. He has to know this too. I don't get it. I've never served, physically unable to due to getting hit by cars twice in my late teens, but I've never claimed to either. It just bugs the crap out of me when people who never even served..... gah.
Agree with the poster above, "Outing" should be a widespread hobby.


1911fan
 
Re: Navy Seal or is he?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Between this and the PTSD thread, please enter reality. If the truth drives someone to suicide, then well, maybe they're needing to hear it more than not; a good pat on the head can do them no good when they're diving deeper into the fantasy world of " I was X" when they were really Y, Z, or back around to B-- never being Alpha.

Approval, or need for it, when it enters the realm of abject lying, is no excuse to not call out the BS. Especially when it's stealing the valor of good and honorable men; even more so when it's stealing from a family the chance to face this obstacle and negotiate it towards better days and healing from this man's inane bullshit-- if it is inane bullshit. </div></div>

Maybe you have not read my posts.

My points are:

--Provided OP the resource to verify if the guy in question is legit or not. One that does a weekly online VLOG on calling scumbags out in front of actual Teams.

-- Pathological Liars make me sick, I see them at every American Legion or at the gun shows. Those who steal Valor are the worst scum.

-- Having served and retired as a US Navy Hospital Corpsman and have seen first hand the after effects of suicide, some for deep mental issues, others for trivial girlfriend problems. It is one thing to read about it and another to pick up the pieces. In a suicide there are ALWAYS more than one victim.

-- My concern is not for the scumbag who is stealing valor, it is for OP and if he is fine with potentially having blood on his hands by outing someone on the whole internet. Do you think the family will be inviting OP over to Christmas dinner to celebrate the guy who outed their family member and embarrassed the whole family. If you read my posts you will see that my focus is OP and his decision to proceed.


None of you have to agree with me, I am not trying to convince any of you to think the way I do. We are all free to say and write what we want, but we are accountable for what we convey.

 
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One thing for sure.
Jesse Ventura is awesome!
The man aint afraid to speake the truth.
Had to get that ogf my chest
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Re: Navy Seal or is he?

Years ago living in San Diego I had a guy ask me if I was a SEAL, I informed him no, he kept saying it is cool, he was Navy saying I could tell him. NO REALLY I AM NOT IN THE MILITARY! What made him think I was a SEAL? I lifted weights a lot and ran on the beach, no clue, but I get accused of being a cop, border patrol, military (they ask for ID for Military Discount). I never, ever lie about this, it is just so wrong on so many levels. I get disgusted when I see that video of the guy claiming to be all that...

I've worked for a man that was Army Spec Ops in Vietnam, and hunted with a Marine RECON in Alaska (when I lived there), those men went through hell, earned something big. I wanted to be direct as possible since being in a family who had a POW as a relative, it is true assbaggery to say you are something, and not that remotely.

Seeing my sister's marriage fall apart due to some PTSD, I do not get mad at my brother in law either, my mom's cousin when he came back from Vietnam got divorced, Marine. Nobody in my family judges my now ex brother in law, or my mom's cousin... It took him years to get over what happened in Vietnam, not like he was homeless or anything, just he had his own demons to destroy. He eventually did, and is someone I deeply admire, he goes to Vietnam still to help orphans there.

I understand Freedom of Speech allows these turdballs to say this, but it should also be legal for people to punch them square in the ear hole when they brag.
 
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