why tumble? are you just wearing your stuff out faster?
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Re: tumbling, does it matter?
If I pay 100 bucks for a die...it better last forever. Protect your dies. Also, the finished product looks better!
If I pay 100 bucks for a die...it better last forever. Protect your dies. Also, the finished product looks better!
Re: tumbling, does it matter?
Haven't tumbled brass to clean it ever since ultrsonic cleaning showed up. Still tumble to get the sizing lube off.
I guess you really do not have to clean your brass anymore then you do not have to shower.
OFG
Haven't tumbled brass to clean it ever since ultrsonic cleaning showed up. Still tumble to get the sizing lube off.
I guess you really do not have to clean your brass anymore then you do not have to shower.
OFG
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Why, does your casings stink if you don't clean them? not like your cleaning them before you size them...I believe the oil part, you wouldn't want any hydraulics effecting your seater..If your doing for looks I mean thats great but you can just as easily get wipes that do that quicker than four hours..
Why, does your casings stink if you don't clean them? not like your cleaning them before you size them...I believe the oil part, you wouldn't want any hydraulics effecting your seater..If your doing for looks I mean thats great but you can just as easily get wipes that do that quicker than four hours..
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I was just looking at the ss media pics today and they look really good but must removing material...
I was just looking at the ss media pics today and they look really good but must removing material...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If your doing for looks I mean thats great but you can just as easily get wipes that do that quicker than four hours..</div></div>
And while you're wiping, I'll turn on my tumbler and head to the range.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If your doing for looks I mean thats great but you can just as easily get wipes that do that quicker than four hours..</div></div>
And while you're wiping, I'll turn on my tumbler and head to the range.
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I don't wipe ..nobody thinks that maybe other than looks your kinda wasting your time? I tumble
but I am not going out and buying new ss media and just to Purdy things up..
I don't wipe ..nobody thinks that maybe other than looks your kinda wasting your time? I tumble
but I am not going out and buying new ss media and just to Purdy things up..Re: tumbling, does it matter?
not really tumble, vibrating.
not really tumble, vibrating.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raythemanroe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was just looking at the ss media pics today and they look really good but must removing material...
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Not really. I have a piece of 9mm brass that I use to measure the Lemishine for SS media. It gets run through every batch I ever do. I would estimate it's been through 40-50 cycles now - approximately 100 hours of tumbling. The only negative effect I can observe is a slight burr on the case mouth. The media is hard, but not very abrasive.
As far as vibratory tumblers are concerned, the brass does not get removed in any considerable amount.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raythemanroe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was just looking at the ss media pics today and they look really good but must removing material...
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Not really. I have a piece of 9mm brass that I use to measure the Lemishine for SS media. It gets run through every batch I ever do. I would estimate it's been through 40-50 cycles now - approximately 100 hours of tumbling. The only negative effect I can observe is a slight burr on the case mouth. The media is hard, but not very abrasive.
As far as vibratory tumblers are concerned, the brass does not get removed in any considerable amount.
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After further study, looking at these sonic cleaners they actually clean the inside.. I would say it is beneficial, but with the tumbler it just seems like to me that your shinning up the out side...
After further study, looking at these sonic cleaners they actually clean the inside.. I would say it is beneficial, but with the tumbler it just seems like to me that your shinning up the out side...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raythemanroe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After further study, looking at these sonic cleaners they actually clean the inside.. I would say it is beneficial, but with the tumbler it just seems like to me that your shinning up the out side... </div></div>
And that is why people use the ultra sonic cleaners. To get the crud out of the inside. There is a difference between "clean" and "polished".
OFG
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raythemanroe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After further study, looking at these sonic cleaners they actually clean the inside.. I would say it is beneficial, but with the tumbler it just seems like to me that your shinning up the out side... </div></div>
And that is why people use the ultra sonic cleaners. To get the crud out of the inside. There is a difference between "clean" and "polished".
OFG
Re: tumbling, does it matter?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Temp9</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raythemanroe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was just looking at the ss media pics today and they look really good but must removing material...
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Not really. I have a piece of 9mm brass that I use to measure the Lemishine for SS media. It gets run through every batch I ever do. I would estimate it's been through 40-50 cycles now - approximately 100 hours of tumbling. The only negative effect I can observe is a slight burr on the case mouth. The media is hard, but not very abrasive.
As far as vibratory tumblers are concerned, the brass does not get removed in any considerable amount. </div></div>
I'm sure you've noticed the gasket on your tumbler after a batch of brass. Those particles are coming from somewhere:
This sort of thing really irks me too. I hope I didn't miss any of these as I don't think any good could come from firing those pins down the barrel:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Temp9</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raythemanroe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was just looking at the ss media pics today and they look really good but must removing material...
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Not really. I have a piece of 9mm brass that I use to measure the Lemishine for SS media. It gets run through every batch I ever do. I would estimate it's been through 40-50 cycles now - approximately 100 hours of tumbling. The only negative effect I can observe is a slight burr on the case mouth. The media is hard, but not very abrasive.
As far as vibratory tumblers are concerned, the brass does not get removed in any considerable amount. </div></div>
I'm sure you've noticed the gasket on your tumbler after a batch of brass. Those particles are coming from somewhere:
This sort of thing really irks me too. I hope I didn't miss any of these as I don't think any good could come from firing those pins down the barrel:
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actually the more I read of the sonic cleaners the more I think tumbling is a waste of time...a article and couple pictures on 6mmbr.com show whats happening inside
actually the more I read of the sonic cleaners the more I think tumbling is a waste of time...a article and couple pictures on 6mmbr.com show whats happening inside
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"why tumble? are you just wearing your stuff out faster?"
Ray, your question is valid. It does seem intuitive that shining case must be good for something but it isn't.
Fact is, it's good to have clean cases but tumbling isn't necessaary to do that (nor steel pins and ultrasonics) and purty surfaces do nothing productive, it's just eye candy. We loaded a LONG time before tumblers were available and then another long time before the wet systems started. Smoked and/or dull, oxidized cases are not 'dirty', they are merely discolored but color does nothing harmful to a carbide OR case hardened steel die. The question of wiping cases clean vs. tossing them in a tumbler, etc, is personal.
Time invested is what drove me to the first available vib. tumbler, a Lyman 1200; I just wanted my cases ready to lube and size when I had time to reload some but I didn't deceive myself that it made my ammo any better.
Polishing cases doesn't make small cracks show up better (but it does erase the stretch marks of an impending head seperation). In fact I don't even look for cracks until after sizing, any tiny cracks will be much larger and therefore easier to spot after that!
IF you want to tumble/polish do it, if not you aren't missing anything. And getting cases surgically clean inside and out is only important if you're going to do surgery with 'em!
Good luck!
"why tumble? are you just wearing your stuff out faster?"
Ray, your question is valid. It does seem intuitive that shining case must be good for something but it isn't.
Fact is, it's good to have clean cases but tumbling isn't necessaary to do that (nor steel pins and ultrasonics) and purty surfaces do nothing productive, it's just eye candy. We loaded a LONG time before tumblers were available and then another long time before the wet systems started. Smoked and/or dull, oxidized cases are not 'dirty', they are merely discolored but color does nothing harmful to a carbide OR case hardened steel die. The question of wiping cases clean vs. tossing them in a tumbler, etc, is personal.
Time invested is what drove me to the first available vib. tumbler, a Lyman 1200; I just wanted my cases ready to lube and size when I had time to reload some but I didn't deceive myself that it made my ammo any better.
Polishing cases doesn't make small cracks show up better (but it does erase the stretch marks of an impending head seperation). In fact I don't even look for cracks until after sizing, any tiny cracks will be much larger and therefore easier to spot after that!
IF you want to tumble/polish do it, if not you aren't missing anything. And getting cases surgically clean inside and out is only important if you're going to do surgery with 'em!
Good luck!
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carbon residue is very hard and abrasif, it will ruin your dies in less than 100,000 rds of 45acp for example, dies are much harder than barrels so imagine what your chamber is going through, you cannot clean the brass enough to wear it out before the neck splits of the primer pocket goes anyway, quit freaking out about tumbling brass being bad for brass, it is the easiest component to replace.
carbon residue is very hard and abrasif, it will ruin your dies in less than 100,000 rds of 45acp for example, dies are much harder than barrels so imagine what your chamber is going through, you cannot clean the brass enough to wear it out before the neck splits of the primer pocket goes anyway, quit freaking out about tumbling brass being bad for brass, it is the easiest component to replace.
Re: tumbling, does it matter?
Gene Poole,
I'll agree that the pins in the flash hole is a pain in the ass. I simply put the brass into a loading tray upside down, and that let's me see the flash holes. I just push out all the stuck pins.
I've never noticed brass residue like that, though. How long do you tumble?
Gene Poole,
I'll agree that the pins in the flash hole is a pain in the ass. I simply put the brass into a loading tray upside down, and that let's me see the flash holes. I just push out all the stuck pins.
I've never noticed brass residue like that, though. How long do you tumble?
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I do not believe I have ever seen brass flecks like that either.
I do not believe I have ever seen brass flecks like that either.
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As a matter of principle, I have a policy of henceforth, never agreeing with fuzzbox but, really, go ahead and polish your cases, with the understanding that it is not necessary. Unlike taking a bath, there are no benefits associated with stainless polishing and that carbon on the inside can build up for decades without harm. Compared to annealing the necks where there <span style="text-decoration: underline">is</span> a demonstrable advantage, polishing is just for looks and you won't shoot better scores. That's my personal opinion, take it or leave it. BB
As a matter of principle, I have a policy of henceforth, never agreeing with fuzzbox but, really, go ahead and polish your cases, with the understanding that it is not necessary. Unlike taking a bath, there are no benefits associated with stainless polishing and that carbon on the inside can build up for decades without harm. Compared to annealing the necks where there <span style="text-decoration: underline">is</span> a demonstrable advantage, polishing is just for looks and you won't shoot better scores. That's my personal opinion, take it or leave it. BB
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Actually, I tumble just to make sure I'm not introducing dirty cases into the chamber of a firearm I've invested hard earned money in. The benefits to the dies are just another added bonus to realize this goal.
Actually, I tumble just to make sure I'm not introducing dirty cases into the chamber of a firearm I've invested hard earned money in. The benefits to the dies are just another added bonus to realize this goal.
Re: tumbling, does it matter?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sudden Impact</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually, I tumble just to make sure I'm not introducing dirty cases into the chamber of a firearm I've invested hard earned money in. The benefits to the dies are just another added bonus to realize this goal. </div></div>
Exactly.....
Hard to say what might be on my brass besides carbon when they make it back to the bench....dirt, mud, grit, grime......cow shit....who knows.
Chambers and dies are sacred....treated corn cob in a vibratory tumbler is easy insurance.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sudden Impact</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually, I tumble just to make sure I'm not introducing dirty cases into the chamber of a firearm I've invested hard earned money in. The benefits to the dies are just another added bonus to realize this goal. </div></div>
Exactly.....
Hard to say what might be on my brass besides carbon when they make it back to the bench....dirt, mud, grit, grime......cow shit....who knows.
Chambers and dies are sacred....treated corn cob in a vibratory tumbler is easy insurance.
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My final assessment, Tumbling while good is nothing like the newer sonic cleaners..Stressing about case life is more of a waste of time cause there gonna wear out anyway...
My final assessment, Tumbling while good is nothing like the newer sonic cleaners..Stressing about case life is more of a waste of time cause there gonna wear out anyway...
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I started off cleaning cases with vibration tumbler, used that method for 5 years, switched to SS media and a rotating tumbler with water soap and Lemmie shine, I have even tried US, now I back to vibrating tumbler cleaning or cleaning cases by hand with a Krazy Klothe for precision rifle rounds, and SS cleaning pistol and blasting AR15 ammo, what I have found is brass gets too clean from SS or US, the carbon left inside the necks aids in consistent bullet release, chrono numbers don't lie, dry neck lube helps, but just brushing the big stuff out and not polishing the inside of the neck is best. The club I belong to has a number of world class Benchrest shooters, I have watched these people clean the same 20 cases by hand, brush out the necks, FL resize there cases(custom die), prime, throw charges, seat pills and shoot little bitty groups out to 200 yards, those same 20 cases might get reloaded 700 times in a season, yes 700 times, the inside of the case is never cleaned, so really there's nothing gained by super clean brass, just figure out what's cheapest and easiest method to get the brass clean so you can shoot more often.
I started off cleaning cases with vibration tumbler, used that method for 5 years, switched to SS media and a rotating tumbler with water soap and Lemmie shine, I have even tried US, now I back to vibrating tumbler cleaning or cleaning cases by hand with a Krazy Klothe for precision rifle rounds, and SS cleaning pistol and blasting AR15 ammo, what I have found is brass gets too clean from SS or US, the carbon left inside the necks aids in consistent bullet release, chrono numbers don't lie, dry neck lube helps, but just brushing the big stuff out and not polishing the inside of the neck is best. The club I belong to has a number of world class Benchrest shooters, I have watched these people clean the same 20 cases by hand, brush out the necks, FL resize there cases(custom die), prime, throw charges, seat pills and shoot little bitty groups out to 200 yards, those same 20 cases might get reloaded 700 times in a season, yes 700 times, the inside of the case is never cleaned, so really there's nothing gained by super clean brass, just figure out what's cheapest and easiest method to get the brass clean so you can shoot more often.
Re: tumbling, does it matter?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I started off cleaning cases with vibration tumbler, used that method for 5 years, switched to SS media and a rotating tumbler with water soap and Lemmie shine, I have even tried US, now I back to vibrating tumbler cleaning or cleaning cases by hand with a Krazy Klothe for precision rifle rounds, and SS cleaning pistol and blasting AR15 ammo, what I have found is brass gets too clean from SS or US, the carbon left inside the necks aids in consistent bullet release, chrono numbers don't lie, dry neck lube helps, but just brushing the big stuff out and not polishing the inside of the neck is best. The club I belong to has a number of world class Benchrest shooters, I have watched these people clean the same 20 cases by hand, brush out the necks, FL resize there cases(custom die), prime, throw charges, seat pills and shoot little bitty groups out to 200 yards, those same 20 cases might get reloaded 700 times in a season, yes 700 times, the inside of the case is never cleaned, so really there's nothing gained by super clean brass, just figure out what's cheapest and easiest method to get the brass clean so you can shoot more often. </div></div>
+1.. except I never even tried SS or anything... watched too many BR guys barely clean a case and shoot itty bitty groups
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I started off cleaning cases with vibration tumbler, used that method for 5 years, switched to SS media and a rotating tumbler with water soap and Lemmie shine, I have even tried US, now I back to vibrating tumbler cleaning or cleaning cases by hand with a Krazy Klothe for precision rifle rounds, and SS cleaning pistol and blasting AR15 ammo, what I have found is brass gets too clean from SS or US, the carbon left inside the necks aids in consistent bullet release, chrono numbers don't lie, dry neck lube helps, but just brushing the big stuff out and not polishing the inside of the neck is best. The club I belong to has a number of world class Benchrest shooters, I have watched these people clean the same 20 cases by hand, brush out the necks, FL resize there cases(custom die), prime, throw charges, seat pills and shoot little bitty groups out to 200 yards, those same 20 cases might get reloaded 700 times in a season, yes 700 times, the inside of the case is never cleaned, so really there's nothing gained by super clean brass, just figure out what's cheapest and easiest method to get the brass clean so you can shoot more often. </div></div>
+1.. except I never even tried SS or anything... watched too many BR guys barely clean a case and shoot itty bitty groups
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i use both i ultrasonic then use the tumbler/vibrator to dry the cases about 30 min and they are dry and puuuurtty
i use both i ultrasonic then use the tumbler/vibrator to dry the cases about 30 min and they are dry and puuuurtty
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I started off cleaning cases with vibration tumbler, used that method for 5 years, switched to SS media and a rotating tumbler with water soap and Lemmie shine, I have even tried US, now I back to vibrating tumbler cleaning or cleaning cases by hand with a Krazy Klothe for precision rifle rounds, and SS cleaning pistol and blasting AR15 ammo, what I have found is brass gets too clean from SS or US, the carbon left inside the necks aids in consistent bullet release, chrono numbers don't lie, dry neck lube helps, but just brushing the big stuff out and not polishing the inside of the neck is best. The club I belong to has a number of world class Benchrest shooters, I have watched these people clean the same 20 cases by hand, brush out the necks, FL resize there cases(custom die), prime, throw charges, seat pills and shoot little bitty groups out to 200 yards, those same 20 cases might get reloaded 700 times in a season, yes 700 times, the inside of the case is never cleaned, so really there's nothing gained by super clean brass, just figure out what's cheapest and easiest method to get the brass clean so you can shoot more often. </div></div>
I agree with the above 100%. I don't understand the motivation for highly polished cases unless you just love to display and admire your gleaming little ICBM's.
I use a bronze bore brush on the case necks, but have not done studies, brushed versus not brushed as to accuracy differences. As far as I'm concerned, it's intuitive but I don't get that feeling from ultra polished cases, no matter how it's done.
The argument about protecting dies is kinda puzzling. Yes, you want to remove mud and cowshit before resizing but that does not necessitate a several hundred dollar investment for the other 98% of your cases that are perfectly serviceable with barely a wipe off.
Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it, and by the way, my handloads are sexy enough without SS polishing; because I take care of them. BB
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I started off cleaning cases with vibration tumbler, used that method for 5 years, switched to SS media and a rotating tumbler with water soap and Lemmie shine, I have even tried US, now I back to vibrating tumbler cleaning or cleaning cases by hand with a Krazy Klothe for precision rifle rounds, and SS cleaning pistol and blasting AR15 ammo, what I have found is brass gets too clean from SS or US, the carbon left inside the necks aids in consistent bullet release, chrono numbers don't lie, dry neck lube helps, but just brushing the big stuff out and not polishing the inside of the neck is best. The club I belong to has a number of world class Benchrest shooters, I have watched these people clean the same 20 cases by hand, brush out the necks, FL resize there cases(custom die), prime, throw charges, seat pills and shoot little bitty groups out to 200 yards, those same 20 cases might get reloaded 700 times in a season, yes 700 times, the inside of the case is never cleaned, so really there's nothing gained by super clean brass, just figure out what's cheapest and easiest method to get the brass clean so you can shoot more often. </div></div>
I agree with the above 100%. I don't understand the motivation for highly polished cases unless you just love to display and admire your gleaming little ICBM's.
I use a bronze bore brush on the case necks, but have not done studies, brushed versus not brushed as to accuracy differences. As far as I'm concerned, it's intuitive but I don't get that feeling from ultra polished cases, no matter how it's done.
The argument about protecting dies is kinda puzzling. Yes, you want to remove mud and cowshit before resizing but that does not necessitate a several hundred dollar investment for the other 98% of your cases that are perfectly serviceable with barely a wipe off.
Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it, and by the way, my handloads are sexy enough without SS polishing; because I take care of them. BB
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A lot of bench rest guys reload the same cases on site because of consistency in those casings.. clean up and go, no time to take them home and tumble...
A lot of bench rest guys reload the same cases on site because of consistency in those casings.. clean up and go, no time to take them home and tumble...
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Been reloading some of the same brass for over 30+ yrs and haven't used it up yet
LG
Been reloading some of the same brass for over 30+ yrs and haven't used it up yet
LG
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
watched too many BR guys barely clean a case and shoot itty bitty groups </div></div>
Sitting at a bench under a roof with a nice clean box to keep your rounds in isn't quite the same thing as laying in the mud, or spewing 5.56 or handgun empties all over the gravel, grit, and muck.
Never was much into the BR game....my shooting is much less sanitary.
Just sayin'.......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
watched too many BR guys barely clean a case and shoot itty bitty groups </div></div>
Sitting at a bench under a roof with a nice clean box to keep your rounds in isn't quite the same thing as laying in the mud, or spewing 5.56 or handgun empties all over the gravel, grit, and muck.
Never was much into the BR game....my shooting is much less sanitary.
Just sayin'.......
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Yeah, but. All that says is, do what you need to do to process your muddy brass. I'm thinking the vast majority of people polishing their brass are doing so for purely <span style="text-decoration: underline">cosmetic reasons</span>, which is their choice, but no reason for everybody to come down with "polishing fever".
Now, say what you will about sitting under a roof; personally, I pay some attention to what benchrest devotees are doing as it applies to my own needs. In fact, hunting/shooting live targets is closer to benchrest than to tactical stuff in my application, but I take from every source and use it, if it works.
This is personal opinion, folks. BB
Yeah, but. All that says is, do what you need to do to process your muddy brass. I'm thinking the vast majority of people polishing their brass are doing so for purely <span style="text-decoration: underline">cosmetic reasons</span>, which is their choice, but no reason for everybody to come down with "polishing fever".
Now, say what you will about sitting under a roof; personally, I pay some attention to what benchrest devotees are doing as it applies to my own needs. In fact, hunting/shooting live targets is closer to benchrest than to tactical stuff in my application, but I take from every source and use it, if it works.
This is personal opinion, folks. BB
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A realist..
A realist..
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If you don't tumble, or clean the cases, the grit abrades the inside of your die, making them wear out faster, and causes cases to stick inside the die, even though you used lube.
If you don't tumble, or clean the cases, the grit abrades the inside of your die, making them wear out faster, and causes cases to stick inside the die, even though you used lube.
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Just do it.
Just do it.
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Found a cheap Frankford Arsenal ultrasonic on Midwayusa, for like $50. For that cheap of a price, its worth saving my $150 competition dies...
Found a cheap Frankford Arsenal ultrasonic on Midwayusa, for like $50. For that cheap of a price, its worth saving my $150 competition dies...
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I found that I had to tumble my NEW brass because it was so clean that it was sticking and galling on the expander/powder drop. This was after I had polished the drop to a mirror finish and still getting brass build-up. This was with virgin Starline 45ACP
I found that I had to tumble my NEW brass because it was so clean that it was sticking and galling on the expander/powder drop. This was after I had polished the drop to a mirror finish and still getting brass build-up. This was with virgin Starline 45ACP
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Might as well chime in...I use a vibratory case polisher to remove any contaminants that I don't want going inside my die. I also use a Lee Universal Decapper before tumbling but still leave the decapping rod in my sizer die to clear the flash hole. Added steps that may not be necessary but I like the ease of starting with an unprimed case and feeling like I've done everything to protect my dies. Actually, yes, I also like my loaded ammo to look nice. Personnal choices but we all do things that make us feel better about our particular loading process.
Might as well chime in...I use a vibratory case polisher to remove any contaminants that I don't want going inside my die. I also use a Lee Universal Decapper before tumbling but still leave the decapping rod in my sizer die to clear the flash hole. Added steps that may not be necessary but I like the ease of starting with an unprimed case and feeling like I've done everything to protect my dies. Actually, yes, I also like my loaded ammo to look nice. Personnal choices but we all do things that make us feel better about our particular loading process.
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I guess I need to look at my dies a little closer? They wear out?
I guess I need to look at my dies a little closer? They wear out?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sneaky Gun Runner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do not believe I have ever seen brass flecks like that either.</div></div>
I have, but it's from running the cases through the Giraud first before tumbling.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sneaky Gun Runner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do not believe I have ever seen brass flecks like that either.</div></div>
I have, but it's from running the cases through the Giraud first before tumbling.
Re: tumbling, does it matter?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I started off cleaning cases with vibration tumbler, used that method for 5 years, switched to SS media and a rotating tumbler with water soap and Lemmie shine, I have even tried US, now I back to vibrating tumbler cleaning or cleaning cases by hand with a Krazy Klothe for precision rifle rounds, and SS cleaning pistol and blasting AR15 ammo, what I have found is brass gets too clean from SS or US, the carbon left inside the necks aids in consistent bullet release, chrono numbers don't lie, dry neck lube helps, but just brushing the big stuff out and not polishing the inside of the neck is best. The club I belong to has a number of world class Benchrest shooters, I have watched these people clean the same 20 cases by hand, brush out the necks, FL resize there cases(custom die), prime, throw charges, seat pills and shoot little bitty groups out to 200 yards, those same 20 cases might get reloaded 700 times in a season, yes 700 times, the inside of the case is never cleaned, so really there's nothing gained by super clean brass, just figure out what's cheapest and easiest method to get the brass clean so you can shoot more often. </div></div>
+1.. except I never even tried SS or anything... watched too many BR guys barely clean a case and shoot itty bitty groups </div></div> Spread from ES/SD doesnt really show up at 200y. Carbon buildup in a case will at some point effect case capacity, which will effect ES/SD.
were those guys shooting rail guns ? those things. HA.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I started off cleaning cases with vibration tumbler, used that method for 5 years, switched to SS media and a rotating tumbler with water soap and Lemmie shine, I have even tried US, now I back to vibrating tumbler cleaning or cleaning cases by hand with a Krazy Klothe for precision rifle rounds, and SS cleaning pistol and blasting AR15 ammo, what I have found is brass gets too clean from SS or US, the carbon left inside the necks aids in consistent bullet release, chrono numbers don't lie, dry neck lube helps, but just brushing the big stuff out and not polishing the inside of the neck is best. The club I belong to has a number of world class Benchrest shooters, I have watched these people clean the same 20 cases by hand, brush out the necks, FL resize there cases(custom die), prime, throw charges, seat pills and shoot little bitty groups out to 200 yards, those same 20 cases might get reloaded 700 times in a season, yes 700 times, the inside of the case is never cleaned, so really there's nothing gained by super clean brass, just figure out what's cheapest and easiest method to get the brass clean so you can shoot more often. </div></div>
+1.. except I never even tried SS or anything... watched too many BR guys barely clean a case and shoot itty bitty groups </div></div> Spread from ES/SD doesnt really show up at 200y. Carbon buildup in a case will at some point effect case capacity, which will effect ES/SD.
were those guys shooting rail guns ? those things. HA.
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