(300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

[elfster1234]

<span style="color: #CC6600"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">YOUR ENTRY WILL NOT COUNT UNLESS YOU FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE ENTRY LISTED WITHIN THIS ORGINAL POST!!

Please zero out calipers on the bullet used and measure outside to outside of bullet holes!!</span></span></span>

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">(((((((((( 300 YARD SHOOTOUT!!!!! ))))))))))</span></span></span>

<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #000099">****NOTE!!! NO ADJUSTABLE BENCH RESTS OR VISES!! ONLY BIPODS, MONOPODS, OR FRONT/REAR SAND BAGS ONLY!!!****</span></span></span>

See how your semi-auto cousins are doing against your bolt-action ass: http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...0yard-semi-auto-6groups-30round-shootout.html

SEND ME A PM IF YOU DO ADD AN ENTRY!! as I don't always check the bolt action forums!

Good news everyone. Starting today 12/1/13. Thanks to marky @ tactical-tshirts ( http://tacticaltshirts.com/ ) the grand prize winner will win a design of short-sleeve Tshirt they want, color, size, front or back print, and will ship to YOU directly. The winner will need to PM me their name, shipping address, email, and what t-shirt options they want as listed above & I will forward this info to TacticaltshirtsREP once I announce a winner so he can send you the tshirt in the mail. Thank you once again to marky @ tactical-tshirts! Winner = grand prize winner as listed in the OP,,,,, OR once the top ten fills up & 5 people are listed in the previous leader boards. This is all for fun & is subject to change FYI! Keep it honest & keep it fun & this will hopefully continue into the future!


<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="color: #FF0000">((((( 300 YARD !!! ))))) SNIPER'S HIDE BOLT-ACTION BEST AVERAGE (TOP TEN) (average# is what really counts!):</span></span></span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">*** #1 place: Bluto51, 23" BARTLEIN1 11.25 / GAP CRUSADER / .308, (average = 1.423" / .453MOA), shot on (08/09/13), post on page2***</span>
#2 place: place: Ropegun, 26" BARTLEIN1 1:8.5 / GAP CRUSADER / 6.5 CREED, (average = 1.504" / .4788MOA), shot on (10/22/12), post on page2
#3 place: MitchK, 26" HV BARTLEIN / REM 700 / .308, (average = 1.739" / .5536MOA), shot on (10/28/12), post on page2
#4 place: WM.PENN, AI AWM / 300WM, (average = 1.742" / .554MOA), shot on (02/01/14), post on page3
#5 place: Ropegun, 23" BARTLEIN1 / GAP CRUSADER / .308, (average = 1.781" / .567MOA), shot on (10/20/12), post on page2
#6 place: Bluto51, 24" SCHNEIDER 1:10 / HARRIS MCMILLAN M86 / .308, (average = 1.978" / .6297MOA), shot on (09/10/13), post on page2
#7 place: Loganwade, 26" SS VARMINT / STEVENS 200 / .308, (average = 2.188 / .697MOA), shot on (02/02/14), post on page3
#8 place: Maladat, 20" BRUX #4 / APA / 6.5 CREED, (average = 2.328" / .7412MOA), shot on (10/13/12), post on page1
#9 place: Shootnf, 20" FLUTED BULL / FN SPR / .308, (average = 2.632" / .8379MOA), shot on (10/04/12), post on page1
#10 place: Moboost, REMINGTON SPS TACT / .308, (average, 2.689" / .856MOA), shot on (01/01/14), post on page3


<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="color: #009900"> ((((( 300 YARD !!! ))))) SNIPER'S HIDE BOLT-ACTION BEST SINGLE GROUP (TOP TEN):</span></span></span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">#1 place: Bluto51, 23" BARTLEIN1 11.25 / GAP CRUSADER / .308, (best single = .809" / .258MOA), shot on (08/09/13), post on page2</span>
#2 place: Ropegun, 23" BARTLEIN1 / GAP CRUSADER / .308, (best single = 1.052" / .3349MOA), shot on (10/20/12), post on page2
#3 place: Loganwade, 26" SS VARMINT / STEVENS 200 / .308, (best single = 1.060" / .337MOA), shot on (02/02/14), post on page3
#4 place: Ropegun, 26" BARTLEIN1 1:8.5 / GAP CRUSADER / 6.5 CREED, (best single = 1.185" / .3773MOA), shot on (10/22/12), post on page2
#5 place: WM.PENN, AI AWM / 300WM, (best single = 1.222" / .39MOA), shot on (02/01/14), post on page3
#6 place: Maladat, 20" BRUX #4 / APA / 6.5 CREED, (best single = 1.3" / .4139MOA), shot on (10/13/12), post on page1
#7 place: MitchK, 26" HV BARTLEIN / REM 700 / .308, (best single = 1.428" / .4546MOA), shot on (10/28/12), post on page2
#8 place: Bluto51, 24" SCHNEIDER 1:10 / HARRIS MCMILLAN M86 / .308, (best single = 1.538" / .49MOA), shot on (09/10/13), post on page2
#9 place: Shootnf, 20" FLUTED BULL / FN SPR / .308, (best single = 2.047" / .6517MOA), shot on (10/04/12), post on page1
#10 place: Moboost, REMINGTON SPS TACT / .308, (best single = 2.065" / .65743MOA), shot on (01/01/14), post on page3


<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="color: #CC6600"> ((((( 300 YARD !!! ))))) BULLSEYE BONUS!!! All 30rounds are no further than 1.875" from dead center of bullseye to dead center of bullet hole!!! This will produce a 3.75" (about ~ 1.19388moa) circle around dead center bullseye. If you think you made it this far, then please provide additional caliper pic of your single most furthest bullet hole from dead center bullseye (out of the 30 bullet holes, pick the bullet hole that is furthest from bullseye, and provide picture from dead center bulls to dead center bullet hole... easy as that!)....</span></span></span>
- Ropegun, 26" BARTLEIN1 1:8.5 / GAP CRUSADER / 6.5 CREED, (average = 1.504" / .4788MOA), shot on (10/22/12), post on page2
- MitchK, 26" HV BARTLEIN / REM 700 / .308, (average = 1.739" / .5536MOA), shot on (10/28/12), post on page2
- Ropegun, 23" BARTLEIN1 / GAP CRUSADER / .308, (average = 1.781" / .567MOA), shot on (10/20/12), post on page2


<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="color: #CC6600"> ((((( 300 YARD !!! ))))) GRAND PRIZE... This person shoots .375 MOA @ 300yards ALL DAY LONG board (all 6groups are at or under 1.177875")!!!.... (started 10/02/12)!!!</span></span></span>
- none so far, could be your name here!!! see rule#15 !

Good news everyone. Starting today 12/1/13. Thanks to marky @ tactical-tshirts ( http://tacticaltshirts.com/ ) the grand prize winner will win a design of short-sleeve Tshirt they want, color, size, front or back print, and will ship to YOU directly. The winner will need to PM me their name, shipping address, email, and what t-shirt options they want as listed above & I will forward this info to TacticaltshirtsREP once I announce a winner so he can send you the tshirt in the mail. Thank you once again to marky @ tactical-tshirts! Winner = grand prize winner as listed in the OP,,,,, OR once the top ten fills up & 5 people are listed in the previous leader boards. This is all for fun & is subject to change FYI! Keep it honest & keep it fun & this will hopefully continue into the future!


<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="color: #993399"> ((((( 300 YARD !!! ))))) HONORABLE MENTION #1, This person can actually shoot .75 MOA (2.3558") @ 300yards ALL DAY LONG board (all 6groups are at or under 2.3558" @ 300yards).... the rest of us are just lucky a$$ bastards, LOL JK!!!</span></span></span>
- Bluto51, 23" BARTLEIN1 11.25 / GAP CRUSADER / .308, (average = 1.423" / .453MOA), shot on (08/09/13), post on page#2
- Ropegun, 26" BARTLEIN1 1:8.5 / GAP CRUSADER / 6.5 CREED, (average = 1.504" / .4788MOA), shot on (10/22/12), post on page#2
- MitchK, 26" HV BARTLEIN / REM 700 / .308, (average = 1.739" / .5536MOA), shot on (10/28/12), post on page2
- WM.PENN, AI AWM / 300WM, (average = 1.742" / .554MOA), shot on (02/01/14), post on page3

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">((((( 300 YARD !!! ))))) past leaders for average(what really counts):</span></span>
- will add names / rifles as they get bumped from top ten


<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">((((( 300 YARD !!! ))))) past leaders for best single group:</span></span>
- will add names / rifles as they get bumped from top ten




<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="color: #FF6666">((((( 300 YARD !!! ))))) THE BOLT ACTION SHOOTOUT OVERVIEW!</span></span></span>
I thought this would be really fun for the Bolt-Action platform shooters to really show off your bad A$$ rifles and sniper's hide shooting skills in the Bolt-Action community. This is the big boy, 300yard, 6groups, 5shots each, 30 total rounds SHOOTOUT!!


<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="color: #FF6666">HERE ARE THE GUIDELINES TO POST:</span></span></span>

1.) <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">At 300yards</span></span> (please be honest about this 300yards), all 6 groupings, 5shots each, 30 total bullets (no more, no less)... All consecutively shot!!! Must be on one target..... What ever size target you think you can get 6 groups @ 5shots each on.... <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">Can NOT be on individual targets.</span></span> MUST BE on one target with 6 total groupings, 5shots each, 30 total bullets. That's it!! Shoot as fast or slow as you want, but must be shot within that day (AKA, all day long)!!... If your one piece of paper / cardboard doesn't have 30 bullet holes, it doesn't count..... Bullet holes must be easy to see in your picture!! This is NOT about bullseyes!! All about grouping size average and your best group size!! All in good fun people... .25" or 5",, show off your skills baby! Just try your best! Everyone is welcome here regardless of skill! It's all Bolt-Action rifle cool baby!

2.) Can be any caliber Bolt-Action type platform. 308, 223, 260, 30-06, what ever. BOLT-ACTION ONLY!!!

3.) Can use any type factory or reloaded ammo. What ever works best for your bolt-action rifle.

4.) cough, <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">honestly measure with calipers </span></span>the distance of your two furthest bullet holes of each 5shot groupings (((center to center of each bullet hole))) and <span style="font-weight: bold">write this measurement IN LARGE FONT BLACK MAGIC MARKER right next to each grouping (6 total measurements). </span>

5.) <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">Post close up picture of your best SINGLE group</span></span> WITH CALIPERS showing the measurement!! <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">MUST BE WITH CALIPERS!! NO RULERS ALLOWED!!</span></span> If you don't have calipers, then go buy some. They are only $20 bucks!! Sheesshh, stop being such as cheap A$$ !! JK... Please be honest with your measurements!!! No coins or objects for scale!!! Just hard core measurements.

6.) <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">Post picture of entire target showing all 6 groupings / measurements with calipers still on your best grouping!!</span></span> NO picture, then it didn't happen!!

7.) <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">In your posting</span></span>, add up all 6 measurements and divide by 6 for your average MOA shot. Example, 1.12" + 1.01" + .56" + .75" + 2.25" + 3.46" = 9.15 divided by 6groupings = 1.525" average.

8.) <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">Please, be honest!!!</span></span></span>

9.) <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">If you do reload, feel free to post your load specs!</span></span>

10.) <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">Post what type of Bolt-Action rifle, ammo used, and how you took your shots (prone, bench, bipod, sandbags used, blah blah blah)...</span></span>........ <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">No lock down gun vises!! NO BENCHREST VISES!!! </span></span>Sandbags are ok, bipods are ok, monopods are ok.... If you are using a vise, then you are not really shooting the damn rifle and a monkey can shoot the rifle for you.</span>

11.) Please post a picture of your rifle with your entry!!!!

12.) there is NO SUCH THING AS "FLYERS" in this shootout.. any possible "flyers" you might have count as your group!! damn those flyers!!!

13.) Please put the type of rifle, your sniper's hide name, and date you <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">consecutively shot</span></span> at the top of your target!

14.) As long as you follow the rules, have 6 groups @ 5shots each / 30 total bullets only, then feel free to post your results regardless of your average / single group size even if you don't make the leader boards!! You can not have multiple rankings / measurements on the leader boards,,,, <span style="font-weight: bold">only your best entry will make the boards with your one rifle</span>.... You can however, have multiple leader-board entries by using two completely different bolt-action rifles. In short, you can make as many attempts as you want with your rifle in order to improve your standing on the boards / get the best possible outcome with your rifle... no limits on entries..... the only way to be on the boards more than once at the same time is to use two different rifles.... Rock out as many bolt-action rifles / entries as you want. Time to bust out that bolt-action collection!! All info is good info. Each rifle is different, has different optics, has different purpose, and different operators!!!! Be respectful of everyone's postings! Sub MOA or not, show off your rifle and skills! This is all in good fun!

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">15.) IF and only IF, with a bolt-action, you get ALL 6 total groups, 5shots each, consecutively shot in one day of shooting, AT or UNDER .375 MOA (1.177875") ON EACH GROUP @ 300yards, THEN you will get the esteemed title of, "This person, (your name), with this bolt-action rifle, (type/brand of rifle), shoots .375 MOA @ 300YARDS ALL DAY LONG" on the original post!!!! You will be required to have caliper measurements with pics ON EACH GROUP if you think you made it this far!! No cheaters or you will be called out if anything looks fishy... Until then, you are mostly just full of BS! </span></span>



<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">THIS IS THE EXAMPLE ENTRY BELOW!! IF YOUR ENTRY DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THIS, THEN IT WILL NOT COUNT AND YOU WILL BE ASK TO RE-DO YOUR ENTRY (STARTS TODAY 06/03/13)!!!

NOTE!! When taking your measurements, zero calipers on the bullet used and measure outside to outside of bullet holes!! Last warning!</span></span></span>

Shot with my Rock River Arms EOP 5.56 @ 300yards with harris bipod front & rear bag on bench.
Average = 2.6575" (2.6575 / 3.141 = .8461MOA)
Best group = 1.933" (1.933 / 3.141 = .6154MOA)
Rifle used = Rock River Arms EOP 5.56
Barrel Length / Type = 18" SS BULL
Optics = moa/moa 4-16x50 vortex viper FFP
Mount = SEEKINS / VOREX "LOW" MOUNTS

Shot with reloads
2fired lake city 5.56 brass
cci 400 primer
23.6 varget
60gr v-max hornday bullet
2.25" coal


3.198 + 1.997 + 3.274 + 2.823 + 1.933 + 2.720 = 15.945" / 6groups = 2.6575" average (2.6575 / 3.141 = .8461MOA) :

Best group was 1.933" (1.933 / 3.141 = .6154MOA):

Rifle used, Rock River Arms EOP Varmint 18" bull barrel:

<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">ONLY BIPODS, MONOPODS, FRONT/REAR SANDBAGS ALLOWED!! </span></span></span>

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="color: #FF6666">THE FOLLOWING VISES, ADJUSTABLE FRONT RESTS, AND SLEDS ARE NOT ALLOWED:</span></span></span>

Helpful videos:

Shooting Fundamentals:
Shooting Fundamentals - Rifle Shooting Technique - NSSF Shooting Sportscast - YouTube

Understanding Minute of Angle (MOA):
Understanding Minute of Angle (MOA) - Rifle Shooting Technique - NSSF Shooting Sportscast - YouTube

Understanding Mils (Milliradians):
Understanding Mils (Milliradians) - Rifle Shooting Technique - NSSF Shooting Sportscast - YouTube

Wind Estimation and Compensation:
Wind Estimation and Compensation - Rifle Shooting Technique - NSSF Shooting Sportscast - YouTube

Scope Tracking:
Scope Tracking - Rifle Shooting Technique - NSSF Shooting Sportscast - YouTube

Rifle sight in process:
Rifle Sight-in Process - Rifle Shooting Technique - NSSF Shooting Sportscast - YouTube


Practical D.O.P.E. (data on previous engagements):
Practical D.O.P.E. - Rifle Shooting Technique - NSSF Shooting Sportscast - YouTube

Shooting at angles:
Shooting at Angles: Rifle Shooting Technique - NSSF Shooting Sportscast - YouTube

Shooting Positions in the field:
Shooting Positions in the Field - Rifle Shooting Technique - NSSF Shooting Sportscast - YouTube

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

There you go! hope you are all happy! LOL

This is going to be a crazy amount of work for me, but I think I can handle it.. between this, bolt action 100yard, and the semi-auto 100yard.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">If you didn't know, the semi-auto community has had a "SHOOTOUT" going on for some time now. If you have not checked out this thread, then I would highly suggest checking out before you shoot / post!! Here is a link!</span></span></span>

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3523625

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">*****EXAMPLE ENTRY, YOUR ENTRY SHOULD LOOK LIKE THIS!!***** </span></span></span>


<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">YES, I KNOW THIS IS NOT A BOLT-ACTION, but your entry should looks something like this, BUT obviously with a bolt action and better damn groups (was actually shot at 100yrds, yes, your groups at 300yards will not look like this LOL!!</span></span></span>

Shot with my 20"CL LMT MWS @ 300yards with harris bipod / rear sand bag on bench.
7.62X51 Cartridge
Average was .749"
Best group was .397"
Rifle used = 20" CL barrel LMT MWS 7.62
Optics = moa/moa 4-16x50 vortex viper FFP
Mount = Larue LT158 with 10moa cant

Shot with reloads
2fired 7.62 nato brass
cci 200's
40.5 gr varget
168gr AMAX
2.198 ogive seating depth / ~ about 2.809 coal


.397" + .613" + .910" + .738" + .806" + 1.030" = 4.494 / 6 = .749 average over 6 groupings @ 5shots each / 30 total bullets (yes, i know... it says 100yards in the target, THIS IS FOR THE 300YARD SHOOTOUT!! FOR EXAMPLE ONLY!!):

Best group was .397":

My rifle, 20"CL BARREL, LMT MWS 7.62:

(optional) My reloads / bullets used:

 

[ropegun]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GRAND PRIZE... This person shoots 1/2" (.5") @ 300yrds ALL DAY LONG board

HONORABLE MENTION #1, This person can actually shoot 3/4" (.75") ALL DAY LONG board</div></div>
Dude -- 1/2" and 3/4" groups at 300 yards?

<gulp>

Might be a pretty darn short list of shooters accomplishing that. Assuming, of course, that a "group" must be more than 1 shot fired.

Now 1/2 MOA and 3/4 MOA at 300 yards might end up with a few....

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

i still have a bunch to edit... pretty much copy / paste everything over from 100yard shootout.. still working some stuff out.. should be done tonight hopefully.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ropegun</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GRAND PRIZE... This person shoots 1/2" (.5") @ 300yrds ALL DAY LONG board

HONORABLE MENTION #1, This person can actually shoot 3/4" (.75") ALL DAY LONG board</div></div>
Dude -- 1/2" and 3/4" groups at 300 yards?

<gulp>

Might be a pretty darn short list of shooters accomplishing that. Assuming, of course, that a "group" must be more than 1 shot fired.

Now 1/2 MOA and 3/4 MOA at 300 yards might end up with a few....

</div></div>

 

[squin]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

I'm hoping he meant .5 MOA not .5 inches at 300 yds. My rifle is good, but not that good.

If my math is correct .5 MOA is 1.5705 inches at 300 yds, .75 MOA is 2.3558 inches at 300 yds.

MOA at 300 is => group size (inches) / 3 /1.047

Somebody please check my math!

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

yes, i'm working this out.. give me some time.. sheesshh! trying to figure out what is next to impossible, but possible for the crown title.

i just copied / pasted everything over.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: squin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm hoping he meant .5 MOA not .5 inches at 300 yds. My rifle is good, but not that good.

If my math is correct .5 MOA is 1.5705 inches at 300 yds, .75 MOA is 2.3558 inches at 300 yds.

MOA at 300 is => group size (inches) / 3 /1.047

Somebody please check my math! </div></div>

 

[5RWill]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

Lol i thought the pictures above where 300yds. I was thinking to myself "shit..i've already lost."

 

[ropegun]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i still have a bunch to edit... pretty much copy / paste everything over from 100yard shootout.. still working some stuff out.. should be done tonight hopefully. </div></div>
That's what I figured. I'm just getting a little slap happy burning the late night oil at the office.

Keep up the good work. This is a fun series of challenges. Maybe some day I'll have some proof that I can shoot better than "1/2 minute of barn".

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

ok, i think i got all the fixes from doing a copy / paste from the 100yard shootout... if you see any typos, then please PM me!!


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ropegun</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i still have a bunch to edit... pretty much copy / paste everything over from 100yard shootout.. still working some stuff out.. should be done tonight hopefully. </div></div>
That's what I figured. I'm just getting a little slap happy burning the late night oil at the office.

Keep up the good work. This is a fun series of challenges. Maybe some day I'll have some proof that I can shoot better than "1/2 minute of barn".

</div></div>

 

[boone3380]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

I'll have to get a refrigerator box for this one. Don't think I'd get all six on copy paper.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

omg, i give up.. LOL

do this, do that, no this yardage, that yardage, do the same but at 300yards, no i want 100yards... pulling hair out right about now!!! LOL

you can't get this on a 2'x3' or 3'x3' pc of cardboard / sign stock (sold at walmart for like .50 cents)? come on man! even a 2'x3' target gives you 6 total sq feet! one square foot per target! kicking you in the head right now. LOL JK

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone3380</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll have to get a refrigerator box for this one. Don't think I'd get all six on copy paper. </div></div>

 

[jwp6114]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

so let me get this straight... i can shoot 2 foulers/warmers in the dirt then 5 on my target, clean and repeat 5 more times? as long as its done in a 24 hour period? I think .5 MOA at 300 will be met before you know it...

as soon as all the helicopters in the world (seems like) dont need maintenance for a few days, i intend to get out there and put my 6mm to work...

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

what would you suggest, 3/8"moa @ 300yards for the crown? remember, this is on all 6groups, 5shots each, 30rounds shot in a row total on ONE TARGET..... Once you start, you can not stop other than a break between groups.

Not even the semi-auto have been able to get the .5moa crown @ 100yards yet and it is damn near 1-1/2 months old thread now.

im all ears for any experience you might have or suggestions.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWP6114</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so let me get this straight... i can shoot 2 foulers/warmers in the dirt then 5 on my target, clean and repeat 5 more times? as long as its done in a 24 hour period? I think .5 MOA at 300 will be met before you know it...

as soon as all the helicopters in the world (seems like) dont need maintenance for a few days, i intend to get out there and put my 6mm to work... </div></div>

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

Guess I'll take this one as well.

Thanks!!!

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

<span style="color: #CC0000">I just want to make sure i'm TOTALLY clear on this with everyone so you don't waste your time. MAKE SURE your post entry looks like the example entry 4 posts down from the orignal post OR it will not count (or really damn close to it!!)... If you want to do any BS talk, then do it on another post please. Keep your entry short, simple, and like the example post!!</span>

 

[boone3380]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!



Just harassing you Elfster, I think your doing a he-- of a job.

 

[shootnf]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

I have to find some time today. The only way I will ever be on the leader board. All I have to do is play by the rules. Pictures , calipers, writing, adding, dividing. After concentrating for 30 rounds I hope I have enough left to do all that.

Love these post.
These are some of the best post I have seen.
Keep it up.

 

[Jedi]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

What happened to all the 1/4 MOA shooters
LMAO

 

[shootnf]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

I thought I would get this started. NOW somebody put me in my place. Back of the bus...

Shot with my FN SPR 20" @ 300yards with harris bipod / rear sand bag on table in the woods.
.308 Cartridge
Average was 2.632"
Best group was 2.047"
Rifle used = FN SPR A1A A3 20"
Optics = MIL/MIL IOR 3.5-18X50 FFP
Mount = IOR RINGS

Shot with Federal GMM 175
groups in the order shot. 2.293"+2.620"+2.562"+2.434"+3.835"+2.047" = 15.791" /6=2.632"

best group 2.047" Cardboard is not level.

FN SPR

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

OHHHHH wow!!! Kick ass shootnf!!! Not only did you make first post and first place, <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">but your post entry is absolutely perfect!!!</span></span> Very nice job! Thank you for getting this started and nice shooting and kick ass rifle!! Welcome to the leader boards!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shootnf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought I would get this started. NOW somebody put me in my place. Back of the bus...

Shot with my FN SPR 20" @ 300yards with harris bipod / rear sand bag on table in the woods.
.308 Cartridge
Average was 2.632"
Best group was 2.047"
Rifle used = FN SPR A1A A3 20"
Optics = MIL/MIL IOR 3.5-18X50 FFP
Mount = IOR RINGS

Shot with Federal GMM 175
groups in the order shot. 2.293"+2.620"+2.562"+2.434"+3.835"+2.047" = 15.791" /6=2.632"

best group 2.047" Cardboard is not level.

FN SPR

</div></div>

 

[SJshooter]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

Hey, nice shootin, nf. What brake do you got there?

 

[shootnf]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

One that everyone besides you loves

.

It was on the gun when I bought it. Someone told me it was off an Armalite AR-30. My 8 year old has shot it. That is, it doesn't kick much.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

omg you guys,,, the semi-auto boys are kicking your butts so far! JK


http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3609006

 

[Niles Coyote]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

tag for later.

 

[USP45T]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what would you suggest, 3/8"moa @ 300yards for the crown? remember, this is on all 6groups, 5shots each, 30rounds shot in a row total on ONE TARGET..... Once you start, you can not stop other than a break between groups. .. </div></div> [/quote]

I'd give it a try but I don't think I could ever shoot 3/8"moa @ 300yards.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

crown is .5moa @ 300... give it a try


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USP45T</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what would you suggest, 3/8"moa @ 300yards for the crown? remember, this is on all 6groups, 5shots each, 30rounds shot in a row total on ONE TARGET..... Once you start, you can not stop other than a break between groups. .. </div></div> </div></div>

I'd give it a try but I don't think I could ever shoot 3/8"moa @ 300yards. [/quote]

 

[maladat]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

Is shooting with a suppressor OK?

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

yes it is

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maladat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is shooting with a suppressor OK? </div></div>

 

[jwp6114]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

Elfster, this comp doesnt seem to be getting too much play, (low maintenance for you), but keep her going, i may be able to get a shot at it in tomorrow.

 

[squin]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

+1 on keeping it going. I just gotta find time to get to the range.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

it is low maintenance, but i'm sure it will take off once the top ten fills up.... all of these "shootouts" are really easy actually once the thread is going and people actually follow the example entry so i know where to find all of my information so i'm not hunting it down.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWP6114</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Elfster, this comp doesnt seem to be getting too much play, (low maintenance for you), but keep her going, i may be able to get a shot at it in tomorrow. </div></div>

 

[z71rat]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

Once we get past hunting season, my fiance and I will both be sending you some paper punchin pictures, from the 100 and 300 yard lines.

I know she will shoot the 100 with me, but I am not sure yet about the 300. We will see!!

DK

 

[maladat]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

Shot with my custom APA 6.5 Creedmoor at 300 yards with Atlas bipod and beanbag rear bag.
Average was 2.328"
Best group was 1.300"
Cartridge = 6.5 Creedmoor
Rifle used = custom Defiance Machine action APA built lightweight 9 pound rifle
Barrel Length / Type = 20" Brux no. 4 sporter
Optics = March 3-24x42 FFP
Mount = NF ultralight rings on Murphy Precision 20 MOA 2-piece titanium bases.

Shot with factory Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor 140gr AMAX match ammunition.

3.125"+2.176"+1.300"+2.100"+2.067"+3.200"=13.968"/6=2.328" average over six groups of five shots each, 30 total shots.

Best group was 1.300":

Here's the rifle:

I tried shooting one target with factory 120gr AMAX ammo and then one target with factory 140gr AMAX ammo. The 140gr AMAX target had both the best single group and the best average. Both targets had one group edge over 1 MOA. My shooting was not as consistent as when I shot the 100 yard target the day before yesterday. I committed to several shots on each target when things weren't "just right" and also made several shots that I committed to when things WERE "just right" but then failed to stop and relax and not break the shot when things changed to NOT being "just right" before I broke the shot. I have been working on taking a mental snapshot of the reticle and target as the shot breaks each time and each of the big flyers on each target I knew and saw was not a good shot as I broke the shot.

I also had some problems with horizontal dispersion and I think I was not being careful enough with side-to-side tilt on my rifle. I need to either be more careful about watching my angle by comparing the reticle to the target or maybe better yet getting a rail mounted level for the rifle. Side-to-side tilt wouldn't have had as much impact on my better 100 yard target.

I also was just wobblier today for whatever reason.

It's frustrating that I had so much trouble getting things right today when I felt like I did so much better the day before yesterday, but this is still really good shooting for me and way beyond what I could have done even pretty recently. I have pretty good trigger-pulling fundamentals from years of four-position smallbore rifle shooting but the Sniper's Hide online training stuff has been tremendously helpful with learning the techniques specific to shooting prone with a bipod and the techniques specific to shooting at longer ranges.

 

[maladat]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

It will obviously not go on the scoreboard because it is not as good a target as the one I posted above and was shot with the same rifle, but just for the sake of putting more targets up in the thread and to show my consistency or lack thereof in my shooting today, here is the target I shot using the Hornady 120gr AMAX factory match ammo immediately before shooting the target posted above.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

killer job maladat and welcome to the leader boards. Looks like you're the man to beat! Nice looking rifle and good job. Your entry was perfect.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maladat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shot with my custom APA 6.5 Creedmoor at 300 yards with Atlas bipod and beanbag rear bag.
Average was 2.328"
Best group was 1.300"
Cartridge = 6.5 Creedmoor
Rifle used = custom Defiance Machine action APA built lightweight 9 pound rifle
Barrel Length / Type = 20" Brux no. 4 sporter
Optics = March 3-24x42 FFP
Mount = NF ultralight rings on Murphy Precision 20 MOA 2-piece titanium bases.

Shot with factory Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor 140gr AMAX match ammunition.

3.125"+2.176"+1.300"+2.100"+2.067"+3.200"=13.968"/6=2.328" average over six groups of five shots each, 30 total shots.

Best group was 1.300":</div></div>

 

[cmh2007]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

I don't see proper measurement of center to center. when i get off work, i will have to go out and play some and i will demonstrate proper center to center measurement.

take the calipers and measure edge to edge and take an average of the hole size at the grease ring (measure several individual holes) and then subtract the individual hole size from the group total distance

 

[George63]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: seaaggie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't see proper measurement of center to center. when i get off work, i will have to go out and play some and i will demonstrate proper center to center measurement.

take the calipers and measure edge to edge and take an average of the hole size at the grease ring (measure several individual holes) and then subtract the individual hole size from the group total distance </div></div>

I think showing center to center is getting the job done - If someone really wanted to cheat there would be easier ways

 

[6brshooter]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

I was set to shoot at 300 yesterday, until the winds kicked up. My personal range stretches out to 1350 yds west to east, wind was howling out of the south at kestrel recorded speeds of 37-46 mph. Needless to say i held off for a better day. I will foul in the barrel this time before i shoot for score, learned that leason from my 100 yd target.

 

[6brshooter]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

As far as measuring these300 yd groups, all u have to do is measure from the outside edge to the inside edge of the farthest shots. Saves having to get all technical on cardboard vs paper target yada yada yada....... helk this fun stuff, remember first place pays zip.

 

[John1911.com]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

So is it center to center or grease-mark to grease-mark? I was operating under grease-mark minus bullet diameter like on the 100 yard?

TTR

 

[ropegun]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TacticaltshirtsREP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So is it center to center or grease-mark to grease-mark? I was operating under grease-mark minus bullet diameter like on the 100 yard?</div></div>
One should get the same results from both of the following:
- center to center
- outer edge of grease mark to outer edge of grease mark, less bullet diameter

Now for the challenges:
- It's hard for the human eye to determine center of impact when the group includes multiple impacts touching each other. Actually, even when the holes aren't touching, especially if we're trying to accurately measure to .001".

- With most bullets and with most target papers, the outer edge grease marks are actually <span style="font-weight: bold"> </span>smaller <span style="text-decoration: underline"> </span> than the bullet diameter. In one target paper I use, .308 SMK bullets leave an edge to edge mark of just under .300" -- call it .295" to .298". So if I subtract .308" from my edge grease marks, I've just fooled myself into believing my group was .010" smaller than reality. Test this by measuring a single bullet hole in the paper used.

- Measuring errors. Ask most engineers about this one. Between caliper calibration, human eyes, and club-fisted fingers moving the calipers, most shooters likely induce measurement errors in the .005" to .010" range.

But what the heck, this fun thread isn't determining who wins the Nobel Peace prize, so carry on as required by elfster.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

This is the deal. I would rather see outside to outside minus the bullet diameter IF the bullet holes are clear, BUT

1.) you can use center to center if the group size is large enough..... if your group is too small and hard to determine which bullet hole is which, then i'll let the person know to remeasure using outside to outside minus bullet diameter.

2.) if the group size is too small and is hard to figure out which hole is which,,,, then i would like to see outside to outside minus the bullet diameter by either math or zero out on a bullet. I've also seen people shooting into duct tape which didn't really make a perfect caliber hole either and center to center worked better. I'm fine with both, but would rather use outside to outside minus caliber and I'll take each post on a case by case factor.

Enough of this topic, lets get back on track and back to shooting please.

 

[John1911.com]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the deal. I would rather see outside to outside minus the bullet diameter IF the bullet holes are clear, BUT

1.) you can use center to center if the group size is large enough..... if your group is too small and hard to determine which bullet hole is which, then i'll let the person know to remeasure using outside to outside minus bullet diameter.

2.) if the group size is too small and is hard to. </div></div>

Ok. Thanks. I never thought about paper vs other targets. We all learn something new everyday. I am seriously enjoying this thread. I might get out today to shoot a target.

And for clarification, I'm not one of those guys who will have holes so close I can't tell one from the other. I have too much caffeine and not enough talent in my body to worry about such things. So...I'll just stick with the old-math and do edge to edge. Back to the targets.

TTR

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

tacticaltshirt, you get a chance to run this?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TacticaltshirtsREP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the deal. I would rather see outside to outside minus the bullet diameter IF the bullet holes are clear, BUT

1.) you can use center to center if the group size is large enough..... if your group is too small and hard to determine which bullet hole is which, then i'll let the person know to remeasure using outside to outside minus bullet diameter.

2.) if the group size is too small and is hard to. </div></div>

Ok. Thanks. I never thought about paper vs other targets. We all learn something new everyday. I am seriously enjoying this thread. I might get out today to shoot a target.

And for clarification, I'm not one of those guys who will have holes so close I can't tell one from the other. I have too much caffeine and not enough talent in my body to worry about such things. So...I'll just stick with the old-math and do edge to edge. Back to the targets.

TTR </div></div>

 

[John1911.com]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tacticaltshirt, you get a chance to run this?


</div></div>

Nope. Not yet. I just finished some handload testing with 270WBY so I will pick this up this week. Hell, I need to get smoked in 100 first! ;-)

TTR

 

[ropegun]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

First up.
Shot 10/22/12 at Great Guns Sporting in northern Colorado
Witnessed off and on by Great Guns' roving RSO
3-8 mph breezes from 11 to 12 o'clock
54 degrees F, DA 6300 feet, light clouds
4.0 minutes elevation on the gun from a 100 yard zero to make 300 yards

GAP Crusader .308 Win (GAP's stock build)
23" Bartlein 1 in 11.25" twist
Nightforce NSX 5.5-22x56 moa/moa NP-R2 reticle
Harris bipod, swivel & notched, Podloc
shot from prone position with TAB rear bag
Federal Gold Medal Match 168 SMK factory ammo

For a size reference, all 6 green pasters are 3 inches in diameter.

net groups of 1.705" + 1.052" + 2.005" + 1.762" + 2.485" + 1.675" = 10.684" total / 6 = 1.781" average

best group 1.052"

I have used .305" for bullet diameter (even though the bullets are .308") as the holes in the paper are only .305" in diameter. Had I used the .308", all net group sizes (including the average) would have been artificially reduced by .003".

Let me know if anything needs clarified or corrrected.

The 300 yard range, with rifle, mat, and rear bag ready to roll. My target is on the right side of the lane.

The rifle, up on a bench after shooting, for a better view.

All targets

All targets with caliper on best group

Close up of the best group

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

all i got to say ropegun is first,,,, nice job with the posting! not only is it perfect and informative, but i'm loving the pics! man, that looks like a really nice range! nice job!

second, kick ass shooting and killer rifle. very very impressive! you came damn close to the crown title! crazy how just 1 bullet on your 2.485" grouping killed your chance for honorable mention#1, but I guess that is what makes this shootout so fun and challenging. Trust me, i've been there! good work my friend.

welcome to the leader boards and it looks like you're the person to beat!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ropegun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First up.
Shot 10/22/12 at Great Guns Sporting in northern Colorado
Witnessed off and on by Great Guns' roving RSO
3-8 mph breezes from 11 to 12 o'clock
54 degrees F, DA 6300 feet, light clouds
4.0 minutes elevation on the gun from a 100 yard zero to make 300 yards

GAP Crusader .308 Win (GAP's stock build)
23" Bartlein 1 in 11.25" twist
Nightforce NSX 5.5-22x56 moa/moa NP-R2 reticle
Harris bipod, swivel & notched, Podloc
shot from prone position with TAB rear bag
Federal Gold Medal Match 168 SMK factory ammo

For a size reference, all 6 green pasters are 3 inches in diameter.

net groups of 1.705" + 1.052" + 2.005" + 1.762" + 2.485" + 1.675" = 10.684" total / 6 = 1.781" average

best group 1.052"

I have used .305" for bullet diameter (even though the bullets are .308") as the holes in the paper are only .305" in diameter. Had I used the .308", all net group sizes (including the average) would have been artificially reduced by .003".

Let me know if anything needs clarified or corrrected.
</div></div>

 

[elfster1234]

Re: (300YARD), Bolt-Action, 6groups, 30round SHOOTOUT!

one question, did you find it fun and do you think you'll go for a 2nd try?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ropegun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First up.
Shot 10/22/12 at Great Guns Sporting in northern Colorado
Witnessed off and on by Great Guns' roving RSO
3-8 mph breezes from 11 to 12 o'clock
54 degrees F, DA 6300 feet, light clouds
4.0 minutes elevation on the gun from a 100 yard zero to make 300 yards

GAP Crusader .308 Win (GAP's stock build)
23" Bartlein 1 in 11.25" twist
Nightforce NSX 5.5-22x56 moa/moa NP-R2 reticle
Harris bipod, swivel & notched, Podloc
shot from prone position with TAB rear bag
Federal Gold Medal Match 168 SMK factory ammo

For a size reference, all 6 green pasters are 3 inches in diameter.

net groups of 1.705" + 1.052" + 2.005" + 1.762" + 2.485" + 1.675" = 10.684" total / 6 = 1.781" average

best group 1.052"

I have used .305" for bullet diameter (even though the bullets are .308") as the holes in the paper are only .305" in diameter. Had I used the .308", all net group sizes (including the average) would have been artificially reduced by .003".

Let me know if anything needs clarified or corrrected.

Close up of the best group
</div></div>