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Krieger vs Bartlein

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I would have the manufacturer flute the barrel. You will lose your warranty if you have someone else flute it. You can tell them how you want the flutes starting so far from the breech and stopping so far from the muzzle.The %r is another $30 bucks at Krieger. Both are fine and will do the contour and twist that you want. I would check lead times.
 
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Who sets up Bartlein to be used w/ a Tubb T2K ? I know White Oak does Kreiger but since so many are pitching for Bartlein (even if I have never seen Shannon @ Camp Perry)... There might be something in them for a F T/R shooter.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tigerfan9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who stocks Bartlein barrels? </div></div>

Bugholes, Sinclair, Grizzly, to name a few.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I support those that support this sport. </div></div>

TBRC

"Brand of Barrel:
Bartlein: 42
Rock Creek: 3
Krieger: 10
Benchmark: 2
Brux: 5
Other: 2"

US F-Class Team

"We are extremely pleased to include Bartlein Barrels as an official barrel sponsor of the U.S. F-Class Open Rifle Team.

Most of the top F-Class shooters in the world use Bartlein barrels or have some in their "stable". The attention to detail and quality of workmanship on these barrels is unbelievable! In the recent European Championships, nine out of the top 10 shooters used Bartlein barrels. Numerous world and U.S. national records are set on a regular basis with these barrels and we highly recommend them. We are lucky in the United States to have a company that produces such precisely crafted barrels.

Please visit Bartlein's web site to see a full selection of standard and custom barrels."

NBRSA World Team

"Bartlein Barrels, Inc. has made a significant donation to this years US team equating to over $14,000.00 in barrels. Each team member will receive four (4) barrels in their set up of choice. They are free to shoot them or use them to help offset expenses. Thank you Tracy and staff at Bartlein Barrels, Inc. for your ongoing support of the United States Benchrest Shooting Team."

We just make the barrels. It is up to the shooters to do your magic. We are very fortunate to have a lot of great customers.

Thanks
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tigerfan9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who stocks Bartlein barrels? </div></div>

Bugholes, Sinclair, Grizzly, to name a few.</div></div>

bugholes doesn't list them online....
 
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Brian my friend, returned from Rapid City yesterday after my infusion to find a nice purdy Bartlein blank setting at my door. Them things are so damn purdy I am debating drilling a hole through it and wear it on a chain or shoot the durn thing.
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Going to be a 22/6AI and hopefully help a few SD yotes meet their maker!
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Sure appreciate the attention to detail and the customer service I have received from Bartlein, you, Frank and the crew. Have a super weekend and get out and shoot that 40-X!!!!!

Respectfully,
Dennis
 
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Brutas what do you recommend for a 308 win 22 inch finished barrel in the progressive twist?
 
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Most top barrel makers turn out a fine product, often through different methods. Much of what is going on here is a "Ford VS Chevy" type discussion/argument.

The only way to tell if one is superior to another would be to set up a number of rifles where the sole variable was the barrel, then shoot various top match loads through the barrels. Doing such a test would be incredibly expensive, and time consuming.

As most top barrel makers have plenty of orders already, (in other words, they don't need the work or advertising) they would have nothing to gain by participating in such a test.

That leaves you with doing exactly what you are doing..asking for opinions. As we all know, opinions are worth exactly what you paid for them.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You see the logo on these guys shoulder right

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While Bartlein might make a better barrel with newer manufacturing processes, the fact that these 2 Premier shooters use/sponsor them is not a valid argument. It's like saying Castrol GTX is the best oil for going 300mph because John Force has it on his Funny car.
I've been involved in motorcycle racing for the last 20 years and just because a championship bike has Dunlop tires doesn't mean it wouldn't have won with Bridgestones.
 
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Forgot Brian from Bartlein is here as well. Sorry Brian.
 
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I currently have 2 Bartlein's (.308 Win, 338 Lapua) and a 3rd (260 Rem.) on its way. I never needed to switch. Bartlein's is the first custom barrel I have used I had great accuracy with it so I stuck with them. I am not saying I couldnt have had the same accuracy with a Kreiger I just tend to stick with what works.
 
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Bartlein and Kreiger are both tier 1 barrels. You will have no issues or drama with either of them. For me, it comes down to which one is in stock that fits my needs.
 
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How about Hart..If I'm not mistaken there the ones who started this crap along with a guy from Remington.. I believe most of the hype is advertising and smart sales people.. they got there names out there..
 
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Bartlein may be be one of the ones who make it nice for SH shooters but ... I don't shoot SH matches. My matches are HardRock or F T/R so what is the big deal there ? No prize table at a NRA regional. I can get a new barrel from White Oak for my T2K w/ Kreiger barrel. Still looking for a local gunsmith that carries Bartlein and sets up for T2K.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've owned both, shoot only Bartlein now.

Why you ask? Both will shoot better than I will. However, every comp I go to I see Bartlein barrels, Bartlein hats/patches, etc. They came out to NorCal TBRC last weekend with a few free barrel certificates, a few more 50% off barrels certificates, enough patches and shirts for anyone who wanted them, etc etc....oh and they sent two guys to watch/represent/answer questions. I can maybe remember one Krieger on a prize table in the recent past.

I support those that support this sport.</div></div>

I agree 100% as well. Both being very similar barrels, the right thing to do is to support those who support the sport of precision shooting.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bartlein and Kreiger are both tier 1 barrels. You will have no issues or drama with either of them. For me, it comes down to which one is in stock that fits my needs.</div></div>

How i feel about this situation ^
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You see the logo on these guys shoulder right

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What calibers are they shooting? Would rock creek be considered the same caliber barrel as Bartlein, and Krieger?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dang472</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You see the logo on these guys shoulder right


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While Bartlein might make a better barrel with newer manufacturing processes, the fact that these 2 Premier shooters use/sponsor them is not a valid argument. It's like saying Castrol GTX is the best oil for going 300mph because John Force has it on his Funny car.
I've been involved in motorcycle racing for the last 20 years and just because a championship bike has Dunlop tires doesn't mean it wouldn't have won with Bridgestones.
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It's absolutely a valid argument as these two shooters can choose any barrel they want to... they have the ultimate choice in what they shoot, the fact they choose to put Bartlein on their rifle and their chest tells you something right there.

You can say, they will win with anything they pick, but what they pick speaks volumes ...
 
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My next barrel will be a Bartlein
Frank knows in my case velocity is important and willing took up challenge of making me a faster than average barrel.
He did this knowing full well i would compare to my Broughton 5C and post results, that is faith in your product and ability to deliver.
Few if any other would even entertain such a request, Frank called me and was eager to accept challenge. He knows his barrels and every lil trick to make it fast.
I look forward to reporting results
Thnx Frank
 
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Both my Kriegers sped up by 100 fps and accuracy improved. I have shot both Kreiger and Bartlein barrels,and in my limited experience both shot well enough to not notice a difference. I can't believe both Mark Gordon and Robert Gradous chose to build both my rifles in Kreiger SS barrels because there were no Bartleins in stock.....
 
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I have found that, while both Krieger and Bartlein are great barrels, the Bartlein barrels show more consistency blank to blank. This is based on my BR shooting. My PPC has six Bartlein barrels, purchased and chambered at different times, and all exhibit great accuracy and clean very easily.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: inode</div><div class="ubbcode-body">'smith work is just as important as barrel choice. </div></div>

Agreed, to a point. IMHO, a sloppy or incompetent gunsmith can easily trash a fine barrel but a great gunsmith cannot really make a problem barrel a lot better.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m14er</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Both my Kriegers sped up by 100 fps and accuracy improved. I have shot both Kreiger and Bartlein barrels,and in my limited experience both shot well enough to not notice a difference.<span style="font-weight: bold"> I can't believe both Mark Gordon and Robert Gradous chose to build both my rifles in Kreiger SS barrels because there were no Bartleins in stock..... </span></div></div>

It's ironic you should mention this. I spoke with Robert several weeks ago, as he is the smith I chose to build my rifle. The subject of barrels came up. He mentioned that barrel quality consistency is not what it used to be. He told me it used to be that for every 10 barrels that he used 6 were really good quality. Now that number has dropped to 2 or 3 for every 10 that he uses. I'm not going to make assumptions as to what manufacturer he was referring to.
 
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Robert uses Kreiger barrels. So he told you 70 to 80% of barrels he sees are bad? He ought to take that up with the manufacturers. We would all benefit. Really shocking statistic.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: swage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

It's ironic you should mention this. I spoke with Robert several weeks ago, as he is the smith I chose to build my rifle. The subject of barrels came up. He mentioned that barrel quality consistency is not what it used to be. He told me it used to be that for every 10 barrels that he used 6 were really good quality. Now that number has dropped to 2 or 3 for every 10 that he uses. I'm not going to make assumptions as to what manufacturer he was referring to. </div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jAXDIALATION</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Robert uses Kreiger barrels. So he told you 70 to 80% of barrels he sees are bad? He ought to take that up with the manufacturers. We would all benefit. Really shocking statistic.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: swage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

It's ironic you should mention this. I spoke with Robert several weeks ago, as he is the smith I chose to build my rifle. The subject of barrels came up. He mentioned that barrel quality consistency is not what it used to be. He told me it used to be that for every 10 barrels that he used 6 were really good quality. Now that number has dropped to 2 or 3 for every 10 that he uses. I'm not going to make assumptions as to what manufacturer he was referring to. </div></div> </div></div>

He didnt say they were "bad" necessarily. Just not what they used to be. Again, he wasn't specific about what manufacturer made them.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jAXDIALATION</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Robert uses Kreiger barrels. So he told you 70 to 80% of barrels he sees are bad? He ought to take that up with the manufacturers. We would all benefit. Really shocking statistic.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: swage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

It's ironic you should mention this. I spoke with Robert several weeks ago, as he is the smith I chose to build my rifle. The subject of barrels came up. He mentioned that barrel quality consistency is not what it used to be. He told me it used to be that for every 10 barrels that he used 6 were really good quality. Now that number has dropped to 2 or 3 for every 10 that he uses. I'm not going to make assumptions as to what manufacturer he was referring to. </div></div> </div></div>

No shit. If I were paying $500-$600 for a barrel, I would surely want to know if it was a shitty blank.

On the other hand, ya'll aren't making the barrel choice any eaiser, lol.
 
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Pretty damning statement about barrel quality. Who the heck wants a barrel that <span style="font-weight: bold">isn't "really good"?</span> 70-80% are NOT really good Yeesh that's alarming. Here's the barrels he recommends (from his site):

<span style="font-style: italic">Barrel: Match grade barrels from Bartlein, Broughton, Krieger, Hart, and Shilen ("select match" only)</span>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: swage</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jAXDIALATION</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Robert uses Kreiger barrels. So he told you 70 to 80% of barrels he sees are bad? He ought to take that up with the manufacturers. We would all benefit. Really shocking statistic.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: swage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

It's ironic you should mention this. I spoke with Robert several weeks ago, as he is the smith I chose to build my rifle. The subject of barrels came up. He mentioned that barrel quality consistency is not what it used to be. He told me it used to be that for every 10 barrels that he used 6 were really good quality. Now that number has dropped to 2 or 3 for every 10 that he uses. I'm not going to make assumptions as to what manufacturer he was referring to. </div></div> </div></div>

He didnt say they were "bad" necessarily. Just not what they used to be. Again, he wasn't specific about what manufacturer made them. </div></div>
 
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i have used both on competition benchrest guns & accuracy was great in both but i'd have to give the edge to my current kreiger,also have an older hart that's hard to beat
 
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I would like to try a cut barrel next..Have used hart barrels to date..My guess would be whatever one is in stock at the time in 308 1-10 twist hv...Next build 300 win on a surgeon..
 
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They both will shoot in the .1's surgeon runs kreigers that tells me all i need to know about them. George runs the Bart's that tells me all i need to know about those barrels. Both mfg's barrels will out shoot most drivers. Pick one and go shoot, if you miss its not either of these barrels fault and their both capable of one itty bitty ragged hole.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Also look at the support you get from Bartlein on the Hide Frank is here answering questions and giving info. They have stepped up to support the shooters. </div></div>

That more than anything would be the reason I would pick a Bartlein first. Im currently shooting one now......its consistently putting out groups in the .2s and a few in the .1s.

In all fairness, so did my last Kreiger in the same caliber.

To keep it real Frank, Im sure you know better than me......Shannon would most likely shoot, and win with, whatever barrel George screwed on for him. GAP is not going to put out a substandard product regardless of the barrel used.

As with any business, Im sure its not JUST quality of the product that George based his decision on to form an alliance with Bartlein. There are quite a few quality barrel manufacturers out there and I have no doubt George and the guys at GAP could make shooters out of all of them.
 
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don't rule out rock creek barrels,those guys make some pretty good 30 cal barrels
 
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I have been competing for several years chasing the one hole dream at much further than 100 yards. I have ALOT of experience with Bartlein and Krieger, as well as Rock and Schneider...etc.

I can tell you that if you can’t shoot as well as you would like to with either, its 99.9% on you and your process.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frank Green</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was once told that the guy who formed Bartlein was a former employee of Krieger. Not sure if any truth to that claim or not. However I use Krieger Barrels but would have no Issue going to Bartlein if the price was lower or availability was easier. Both seem to make outstanding barrels.

Another thing to look at is Company profiles:

http://companies.findthecompany.com/l/694417/Krieger-Barrels-Inc-in-Richfield-WI

http://companies.findthecompany.com/l/14422933/Bartlein-Barrels-Inc-in-Jackson-WI </div></div>

Andy and I helped start Bartlein with Tracy. About 7 of us here use to work at Krieger.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels </div></div>

Too me this speaks volumes about you guys at Bartlein, in more ways than one. First having open communication with the end-user "Customer" either it be here or at comps is huge. Second, I have found that former employees that left their employer to start a new Business usually only do so if they know that they can make a better product. Third, even though Bartlein is a relatively new company it is no stranger in the Barrel making business(evident of former employees of Krieger). I see a Bartlein barrel being added to my collection in the near future.
 
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In todays custom gun market where guns are four thousand dollars and up with custom actions, custom barrels, hand made stocks and triggers. With state of the art cnc machines to thread, chamber and crown your barrel. I feel that most guns should shoot very well with many differant loads, not just one load.
With that being said in the last few years good quality steel for barrel making has been hard to obtain.
I don't make barrels but have spoken to the people who do and they have had a hard time producing the product they would like to sell.
In the last year barrels have improved greatly and have been more consistent in there performance.
Just remember that your gusmith is one link in a long chain that it takes to build a great product.
Robert Gradous
 
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When the man directly above this post speaks, I listen, thats all I know... Also, i own both brand of barrels, but shoot bugholes, but my first choice will always be bartlien.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Robert Gradous</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In todays custom gun market where guns are four thousand dollars and up with custom actions, custom barrels, hand made stocks and triggers. With state of the art cnc machines to thread, chamber and crown your barrel. I feel that most guns should shoot very well with many differant loads, not just one load.
With that being said in the last few years good quality steel for barrel making has been hard to obtain.
I don't make barrels but have spoken to the people who do and they have had a hard time producing the product they would like to sell.
In the last year barrels have improved greatly and have been more consistent in there performance.
Just remember that your gusmith is one link in a long chain that it takes to build a great product.
Robert Gradous
</div></div>

Hear! Hear! Someone give this man a Jack and Coke!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Robert Gradous</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With state of the art cnc machines to thread, chamber and crown your barrel, I feel that most guns should shoot very well with many differant loads, not just one load.</div></div> +1

You can buy 2 identical barrels from the same Mfr, have your Gunsmith build them, and one barrel will sometimes be more accurate than the other. Not everything is created equal. People put too much emphasis on the Gunsmith IMO, when actually it's the barrel rifling you should be worried about. A gunsmith can only build right so right!

My last 4 Builds were Bartein & Rock barrels, but Ive got a 6mm Broughton Gradous built me and it's the most forgiving/accurate barrel I own.

IMO, when you purchase a barrel whether it's a Kreiger,Rock,Bartlien, or whatever your favorite flavor is ...cross your fingers and hope you get a good one!

I've been lucky and all my barrels shoot better than I can.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">when you get past 10 of each, call me, we can have the conversation on a somewhat equal footing. </div></div> I agree, good point here.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've owned both, shoot only Bartlein now.

Why you ask? Both will shoot better than I will. However, every comp I go to I see Bartlein barrels, Bartlein hats/patches, etc. They came out to NorCal TBRC last weekend with a few free barrel certificates, a few more 50% off barrels certificates, enough patches and shirts for anyone who wanted them, etc etc....oh and they sent two guys to watch/represent/answer questions. I can maybe remember one Krieger on a prize table in the recent past.

I support those that support this sport. </div></div>

This is why I buy Bartlein as well. Being a member of the NCPPRC and seeing these guys busting hump this year with us at the TBRC was awesome. As stated, others might shoot comparable, but I choose to support those that support what I do.
 
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Well I talked w/ gunsmith up in GA. He can get barrel but has never set up for a Tubb. On another note, the "preferred " Krieger gunsmith says he is 6>8 months out for a barrel. CRAP !! OK, I have 2 other barrels for T2K but according to the "Melonite fixers", they would prefer JUST 30 ROUNDS thru tube. WTF ??!!Going to call another source for a possible resolution, more to follow.
 
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I have/had 4 Bartlein barrels, and another 2 on they way. They all have been very consistent with multiple different loads and weight bullets, very predictable accuracy node and not finicky at all.

I have a rifle with a Krieger barrel, and it is more finicky and very sensitive to bullet seating length, load charge, etc... There are many other factors in that equation, such as caliber, gunsmith, rifle, luck of barrel black, etc. But take it for what it's worth.
 
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