I have finally decided that i want the 7wsm but in a long action for several reasons including being able to use the heavies and seating them as long as possible without worrying about mag length issues and proper feeding. I would like to use an AICS and wanted to know would this go in a 300wm or 338 lapua chasis? Or either chassis/magazine would work?
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Re: AICS 300wm or 338 chasis for a 7wsm built in L/A?
You want the 338LM magazines as the WSM cases are much closer to the LM case body diameter and require little if any tuning to feed properly.
The 300WM mags tend to require opening up of the feed lips for proper presentation to the bolt head.
Beyond that I'm not familiar enough with the actual AICS to know if there's a difference between the chassis structures.
You want the 338LM magazines as the WSM cases are much closer to the LM case body diameter and require little if any tuning to feed properly.
The 300WM mags tend to require opening up of the feed lips for proper presentation to the bolt head.
Beyond that I'm not familiar enough with the actual AICS to know if there's a difference between the chassis structures.
Re: AICS 300wm or 338 chasis for a 7wsm built in L/A?
I had read that i need 338 mags but was confused when on AI's site the 300wm and 338 chassis have different part numbers. I didnt know if the only difference was the magazine they came with or is there a difference in the chasis itself? Here are the part numbers for the AX folding black left one is 300wm and right one is 338 lapua.
AI-20221-FC-BL AI-25205-AI-BL
I had read that i need 338 mags but was confused when on AI's site the 300wm and 338 chassis have different part numbers. I didnt know if the only difference was the magazine they came with or is there a difference in the chasis itself? Here are the part numbers for the AX folding black left one is 300wm and right one is 338 lapua.
AI-20221-FC-BL AI-25205-AI-BL
Re: AICS 300wm or 338 chasis for a 7wsm built in L/A?
In the older AICS chassis it used to be the same, just different mags. Now that there is a CIP length magazine for the 338l I'm not sure how they are doing it.
A quick call to Mile High Shooting would answer all your questions.
In the older AICS chassis it used to be the same, just different mags. Now that there is a CIP length magazine for the 338l I'm not sure how they are doing it.
A quick call to Mile High Shooting would answer all your questions.
Re: AICS 300wm or 338 chasis for a 7wsm built in L/A?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BWB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Might be dumb question, but here it goes:
Why not get the reamer cut to accomodate the longer bullets in a WSM action/magazine? How much powder capacity would you lose? </div></div>
I have spoken to three reputable gunsmiths, Jarred from APA, Robert Gradeous, and Mark at SAC. All said it can be done but they don't recommend it. Too much issues with reliable feeding, and losing boiler room trying to go mag length etc. Those three all saying the above pretty much is as good for me as it gets.
Jared even explained that he built a 7wsm on a short action for himself and lost a bunch of points during a match cause of not feeding right. If the man can't get his own gun to run then you gotta listen. Needless to say he said he is going to change that rifle to another setup.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BWB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Might be dumb question, but here it goes:
Why not get the reamer cut to accomodate the longer bullets in a WSM action/magazine? How much powder capacity would you lose? </div></div>
I have spoken to three reputable gunsmiths, Jarred from APA, Robert Gradeous, and Mark at SAC. All said it can be done but they don't recommend it. Too much issues with reliable feeding, and losing boiler room trying to go mag length etc. Those three all saying the above pretty much is as good for me as it gets.
Jared even explained that he built a 7wsm on a short action for himself and lost a bunch of points during a match cause of not feeding right. If the man can't get his own gun to run then you gotta listen. Needless to say he said he is going to change that rifle to another setup.
Re: AICS 300wm or 338 chasis for a 7wsm built in L/A?
I appreciate the information! did he mention if he had added an extended length short action mag box? Wondering if that would help the issue or if he had one and it was still an issue? Only reason I ask is I have a short action already I was planning on building 7WSM on...
I appreciate the information! did he mention if he had added an extended length short action mag box? Wondering if that would help the issue or if he had one and it was still an issue? Only reason I ask is I have a short action already I was planning on building 7WSM on...
Re: AICS 300wm or 338 chasis for a 7wsm built in L/A?
FYI if you mill out the flutes in win mag mags 7wsms will fit. Which will allow you to use long action 10 rounders.
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t
FYI if you mill out the flutes in win mag mags 7wsms will fit. Which will allow you to use long action 10 rounders.
2 cents
t
Re: AICS 300wm or 338 chasis for a 7wsm built in L/A?
Just an idea after reading about your requirements - In order to give you the most flexibility and options - Would you consider one of our CADEX Strike DUAL 33 chassis for your build?
If you ever wanted to change out the rifle / action at a later time, you could change out the bottom mag well insert for compatability with a new action / new magazine. This way would allow you to later upgrade or change out the rifle / caliber with the ability to re-use the chassis on another action / system of a larger caliber. The CADEX Strike DUAL 33 is built for the long action.
Please see the last picture for reference regarding this system.
Just an idea after reading about your requirements - In order to give you the most flexibility and options - Would you consider one of our CADEX Strike DUAL 33 chassis for your build?
If you ever wanted to change out the rifle / action at a later time, you could change out the bottom mag well insert for compatability with a new action / new magazine. This way would allow you to later upgrade or change out the rifle / caliber with the ability to re-use the chassis on another action / system of a larger caliber. The CADEX Strike DUAL 33 is built for the long action.
Please see the last picture for reference regarding this system.
Re: AICS 300wm or 338 chasis for a 7wsm built in L/A?
Of the two .338s, go with the normal (not the CIP length) as the CIPs usually require a little opening of a normal 700 action for a longer OAL Lapua round. For a 7 WSM you don't need the few extra thousandths.
There are different magazines for the 300 and 338 Lapua, but it is the same chassis (the part number difference is to denote which mag ships with the chassis).
-Sean
Of the two .338s, go with the normal (not the CIP length) as the CIPs usually require a little opening of a normal 700 action for a longer OAL Lapua round. For a 7 WSM you don't need the few extra thousandths.
There are different magazines for the 300 and 338 Lapua, but it is the same chassis (the part number difference is to denote which mag ships with the chassis).
-Sean
Re: AICS 300wm or 338 chasis for a 7wsm built in L/A?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drake Associates</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just an idea after reading about your requirements - In order to give you the most flexibility and options - Would you consider one of our CADEX Strike DUAL 33 chassis for your build?
If you ever wanted to change out the rifle / action at a later time, you could change out the bottom mag well insert for compatability with a new action / new magazine. This way would allow you to later upgrade or change out the rifle / caliber with the ability to re-use the chassis on another action / system of a larger caliber. The CADEX Strike DUAL 33 is built for the long action.
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I would def consider yiur chassis and have researched it. My only issue is that I am pretty set on using a Surgeon 1086 action. Would if work with this chassis?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drake Associates</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just an idea after reading about your requirements - In order to give you the most flexibility and options - Would you consider one of our CADEX Strike DUAL 33 chassis for your build?
If you ever wanted to change out the rifle / action at a later time, you could change out the bottom mag well insert for compatability with a new action / new magazine. This way would allow you to later upgrade or change out the rifle / caliber with the ability to re-use the chassis on another action / system of a larger caliber. The CADEX Strike DUAL 33 is built for the long action.
</div></div>
I would def consider yiur chassis and have researched it. My only issue is that I am pretty set on using a Surgeon 1086 action. Would if work with this chassis?
Re: AICS 300wm or 338 chasis for a 7wsm built in L/A?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sales@MileHigh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Of the two .338s, go with the normal (not the CIP length) as the CIPs usually require a little opening of a normal 700 action for a longer OAL Lapua round. For a 7 WSM you don't need the few extra thousandths.
There are different magazines for the 300 and 338 Lapua, but it is the same chassis (the part number difference is to denote which mag ships with the chassis).
-Sean </div></div>
Thanks for the confirmation Sean.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sales@MileHigh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Of the two .338s, go with the normal (not the CIP length) as the CIPs usually require a little opening of a normal 700 action for a longer OAL Lapua round. For a 7 WSM you don't need the few extra thousandths.
There are different magazines for the 300 and 338 Lapua, but it is the same chassis (the part number difference is to denote which mag ships with the chassis).
-Sean </div></div>
Thanks for the confirmation Sean.
Re: AICS 300wm or 338 chasis for a 7wsm built in L/A?
I did open the mags up so I had a little more room for seating depth and they fed flawlessly without the mags packed tight. It's when I packed them tight that I had the issue on the first round. Over all my scoop is this. As good as these guys are that you are competing against there is no room for silly little mistakes. Anything that I don't consider 100% is a zero in my eyes. I've run the LA versions for years and loved them. I just didn't love the short version the same. I loved the idea of the extra capacity but I would and will give that up in a heart beat for 100% function at all times. Anyone that says they have never had a single issue feeding a WSM out of a short action at speed probably isn't remembering things clearly. It doesn't happen all the time but the one time it does will be at the precise time that you wish it didn't. That's just Murphy's deal. There are way more SA's out there being used than LA's. It's just a personal preference and I won't do it again. That being said I've built plenty that people love and I've never had a complaint except for my own.
I did open the mags up so I had a little more room for seating depth and they fed flawlessly without the mags packed tight. It's when I packed them tight that I had the issue on the first round. Over all my scoop is this. As good as these guys are that you are competing against there is no room for silly little mistakes. Anything that I don't consider 100% is a zero in my eyes. I've run the LA versions for years and loved them. I just didn't love the short version the same. I loved the idea of the extra capacity but I would and will give that up in a heart beat for 100% function at all times. Anyone that says they have never had a single issue feeding a WSM out of a short action at speed probably isn't remembering things clearly. It doesn't happen all the time but the one time it does will be at the precise time that you wish it didn't. That's just Murphy's deal. There are way more SA's out there being used than LA's. It's just a personal preference and I won't do it again. That being said I've built plenty that people love and I've never had a complaint except for my own.
Re: AICS 300wm or 338 chasis for a 7wsm built in L/A?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drake Associates</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just an idea after reading about your requirements - In order to give you the most flexibility and options - Would you consider one of our CADEX Strike DUAL 33 chassis for your build?
If you ever wanted to change out the rifle / action at a later time, you could change out the bottom mag well insert for compatability with a new action / new magazine. This way would allow you to later upgrade or change out the rifle / caliber with the ability to re-use the chassis on another action / system of a larger caliber. The CADEX Strike DUAL 33 is built for the long action.
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I would def consider yiur chassis and have researched it. My only issue is that I am pretty set on using a Surgeon 1086 action. Would if work with this chassis?</div></div>
From what I understand the surgeon 1086 has the same footprint as the rem long action. If this is the case then yes the action will fit the chassis no problem.
Please call me or email me so I can answer any questions you may have regarding this chassis. I would also offer to test fit your action to check for compatability if you wish as well.
Let me know.
Thanks
Chris
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drake Associates</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just an idea after reading about your requirements - In order to give you the most flexibility and options - Would you consider one of our CADEX Strike DUAL 33 chassis for your build?
If you ever wanted to change out the rifle / action at a later time, you could change out the bottom mag well insert for compatability with a new action / new magazine. This way would allow you to later upgrade or change out the rifle / caliber with the ability to re-use the chassis on another action / system of a larger caliber. The CADEX Strike DUAL 33 is built for the long action.
</div></div>
I would def consider yiur chassis and have researched it. My only issue is that I am pretty set on using a Surgeon 1086 action. Would if work with this chassis?</div></div>
From what I understand the surgeon 1086 has the same footprint as the rem long action. If this is the case then yes the action will fit the chassis no problem.
Please call me or email me so I can answer any questions you may have regarding this chassis. I would also offer to test fit your action to check for compatability if you wish as well.
Let me know.
Thanks
Chris
Re: AICS 300wm or 338 chasis for a 7wsm built in L/A?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drake Associates</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drake Associates</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just an idea after reading about your requirements - In order to give you the most flexibility and options - Would you consider one of our CADEX Strike DUAL 33 chassis for your build?
If you ever wanted to change out the rifle / action at a later time, you could change out the bottom mag well insert for compatability with a new action / new magazine. This way would allow you to later upgrade or change out the rifle / caliber with the ability to re-use the chassis on another action / system of a larger caliber. The CADEX Strike DUAL 33 is built for the long action.
</div></div>
I would def consider yiur chassis and have researched it. My only issue is that I am pretty set on using a Surgeon 1086 action. Would if work with this chassis?</div></div>
From what I understand the surgeon 1086 has the same footprint as the rem long action. If this is the case then yes the action will fit the chassis no problem.
Please call me or email me so I can answer any questions you may have regarding this chassis. I would also offer to test fit your action to check for compatability if you wish as well.
Let me know.
Thanks
Chris</div></div>
Chris, the Surgeon 1086 has a Rem 700 footprint, but it also has an integral 20 MOA picatinny scope rail. Wouldn't that pose an interference issue for the chassis scope rail (it looks like it does from your brochure above)? Also, is there a cutout for the surgeon's side bolt release on the chassis?
Here's a link to the action:
http://www.surgeonrifles.com/1086
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drake Associates</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drake Associates</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just an idea after reading about your requirements - In order to give you the most flexibility and options - Would you consider one of our CADEX Strike DUAL 33 chassis for your build?
If you ever wanted to change out the rifle / action at a later time, you could change out the bottom mag well insert for compatability with a new action / new magazine. This way would allow you to later upgrade or change out the rifle / caliber with the ability to re-use the chassis on another action / system of a larger caliber. The CADEX Strike DUAL 33 is built for the long action.
</div></div>
I would def consider yiur chassis and have researched it. My only issue is that I am pretty set on using a Surgeon 1086 action. Would if work with this chassis?</div></div>
From what I understand the surgeon 1086 has the same footprint as the rem long action. If this is the case then yes the action will fit the chassis no problem.
Please call me or email me so I can answer any questions you may have regarding this chassis. I would also offer to test fit your action to check for compatability if you wish as well.
Let me know.
Thanks
Chris</div></div>
Chris, the Surgeon 1086 has a Rem 700 footprint, but it also has an integral 20 MOA picatinny scope rail. Wouldn't that pose an interference issue for the chassis scope rail (it looks like it does from your brochure above)? Also, is there a cutout for the surgeon's side bolt release on the chassis?
Here's a link to the action:
http://www.surgeonrifles.com/1086
