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Tennessee woes

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    How the mighty hath fallen..Jesus it sucks to be a Tennessee fan right now. Dooley and staff seem to be falling short against any decent opponent this year. With a top 25 recruiting class it has to make one wonder what the problem is. The defense is breaking records in the wrong way..
     
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    I guess your right but i honestly can't figure out whats wrong with auburn. The recruits can't be that bad coming off a national championship two years ago. Is it Chizik?
     
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    Its just cycles. Remember when Peyton was at Tennessee... or the total dominace of Florida teams for years, Then a few years ago nobody could touch Texas...look at what Oklahoma did to them yesterday. Every dog has his day. Alabamas tops now but in 5 years.......?
     
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    Im actually really impressed with our Vols this year.

    To be a pretty new team with a fairly new coach, we have been consistently ALMOST winning hahaha Optimism I know.

    Give it another year or 2 and I think they are gonna be pretty good again.

    The Georgia game was great! Minus that 4th quarter full of turnovers
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    But what was Georgia ranked #5 that week and they were getting EMBARRASSED by Good Ol Rockytop!
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackops_2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess your right but i honestly can't figure out whats wrong with auburn. The recruits can't be that bad coming off a national championship two years ago. Is it Chizik? </div></div>

    I think we did get some good recruits, but then they get in trouble for drugs, alcohol, or robbery, and there was that bad shooting. For one reason or another we lost many of them and lost our depth. Combine that with our offensive coordinator and a coach that is a nice guy but I think maybe a little too nice and we get this season. High hopes for next year. There is some talk about a new Cam-like QB coming. Im not getting my hopes up yet. UA has a way of convincing some of our big recruits to change their minds. We will see. I feel for Ten and Ken as well. It has been a frustrating season. I think I am going to cheer for Miss State. They have a big test coming this week.
     
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    Pretty frustrating to have all the talent the vols seem to have and not be able to win. I am a fan but it seems Dooley can never find a way to win the big game.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Alabamas tops now but in 5 years.......?</div></div>

    They'll have 17-19 national championships.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TNtrg.300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pretty frustrating to have all the talent the vols seem to have and not be able to win. I am a fan but it seems Dooley can never find a way to win the big game. </div></div>

    Exactly, as much as i like Dooley he can't seem to get it done even with the amount of talent. The defense needs to learn the fundamentals of tackling, somewhere Sal Sunseri is falling short also. No pressure on the opposing QB absolutely drains our secondary. AJ Johnson was nowhere to be found until the very end of the game he made two stops. It has to be underdevelopment on the coaching staff. If i were to put Dan Mullen on that UT team they might have one loss this season. Reason being he develops players extremely well, he hasn't had talent and still doesn't now but competes with 2-3 star players. Last night was a must win game for Dooley and staff. There is no way in hell we're going to beat Bama or USC @ USC. The fans will only take so much, a school like UT shouldn't be rebuilding this long.

    The other problem is i have to go back to class on monday listening to all these dumb Mississippi fans about how great MSU is. The fact of the matter is Tennessee's defense is atrocious, that's the reason Russell looked remotely great. Then the announcers talk about how Bray had a horrible game, MSU had the ball almost the entire 1st half. If Bray goes against a defense the likes of UTs he'd shred them. But yeah you ever come to mississippi you'll find the majority of fans ole miss/state regardless are extremely delusional about their football programs. People were screaming "we want bama" last night after beating Tennessee hehe i can't wait till Saben wipes that shitty smirk off their face.
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Alabamas tops now but in 5 years.......?</div></div>

    They'll have 17-19 national championships. </div></div>
    Bama securing Saben however many years ago, guaranteed them they're reincarnation of Bryant. The guy is going to get the best recruits in the country year in and year out. They went from being okay/shitty with Shula to a year with Saben they're winning national championships again. It's pretty ridiculous honestly.
     
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    The Vols are "almost" there is SO MANY games!
    I thought they might have pulled it out last night, but the defense wasn't even doing a half-way job.
    I have faith Dooley can pull it together, but it is painful in the mean time, and I'll still have my Big Orange flag out every game day.
     
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    I may be wrong, but with Bama & SC looming I don't know if the vol nation will give him another year to try. Hart did not hire him so I think will be inclined to put someone else in there as head coach to protect his own job
     
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    All of the large SEC schools have boat loads of talent. Alabama, Tennessee, even Auburn. It is ALL UP TO COACHING. Look at what Saban did in his second year with mainly Schula's players going undefeated in the regular season. Also what Mullen is doing down at State with a lack of talent. But also keep in mind they have yet to play a ranked team. Dooley seems like a great guy, but they just can't get it done.

    Now as much as I love watching Gene Cheese-it drive Auburn into the ground, they have to realize what a nothing of a coach this guy is. As soon as he leaves Iowa St with his pathetic 5-19 record they start winning some games. TAKE LARGE NOTE HERE AUBURN. He is an idiot who drafted probably the greatest athlete to ever play the game. That is the SOLE reason for his success.

    I just have to revel in this season while we sit on top while Auburn and Tennessee secure the bottom of the SEC.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mpmilton</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All of the large SEC schools have boat loads of talent. Alabama, Tennessee, even Auburn. It is ALL UP TO COACHING. Look at what Saban did in his second year with mainly Schula's players going undefeated in the regular season. Also what Mullen is doing down at State with a lack of talent. But also keep in mind they have yet to play a ranked team. Dooley seems like a great guy, but they just can't get it done.

    Now as much as I love watching Gene Cheese-it drive Auburn into the ground, they have to realize what a nothing of a coach this guy is. As soon as he leaves Iowa St with his pathetic 5-19 record they start winning some games. TAKE LARGE NOTE HERE AUBURN. He is an idiot who drafted probably the greatest athlete to ever play the game. That is the SOLE reason for his success.

    I just have to revel in this season while we sit on top while Auburn and Tennessee secure the bottom of the SEC. </div></div>


    I agree as much as I hate to admit it. I knew enjoying the Shula era would come back to bite me. I agree totally on the coaching. Talk around town is our whole athletic dept needs a clean sweep.
     
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    Reality is, what did Chizik really do when they won the Nat Champ? He had a damn fine staff that, IMHO, did all the coaching. Look what is happening at FL once Muschamp got his feet on the ground there. Malzahn went to Arkansas State. There is no one left at AU to keep Geno from looking like the chump that he is.
    I must admit, I was totally against Saban in the beginning but he has really got Alabama's program going the right direction.
    Young Dooley is going to make a fine coach one day, just not at TN. The Vol fans won't have that much patience.
     
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    The more i go over it in my head i just don't have a place to put blame on UT. Part of it is coaching but a large part is the defense, which could be Sal's problem. If tennessee had a good defense to fall back on with that high powered offense this thread wouldn't be here and we'd be seeing a different UT. Difference is they have one of the worse defenses in school history.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackops_2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The more i go over it in my head i just don't have a place to put blame on UT. Part of it is coaching but a large part is the defense, which could be Sal's problem. If tennessee had a good defense to fall back on with that high powered offense this thread wouldn't be here and we'd be seeing a different UT. Difference is they have one of the worse defenses in school history. </div></div>

    Sunseri came from 'Bama with 2 National Championships under his belt (as outside linebacker coach). So, I would think he has some skills. They just aren't showing, along with problems with special teams.
    Bray can't carry the whole team, and you could see him chopping at the bit to get back in the game on Sat night.
     
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    Blackops_2-
    As a lifelong resident of SW TN that is a Mississippi State alum and duck hunts south of Clarksdale, I think I recall that you are from the delta and a MSU student. How did you become a Big Orange fan?? Not that it really matters...just curious, that's all.
     
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    Family has always been big Manning fans and i always liked Peyton in part because he didn't play at Ole Miss. Guess that's what led to me becoming a UT fan though i didn't watch football regularly, at that age. 2005 though one of UT's worst seasons, the LSU game was epic and i'm not sure why but i've stuck with them since. Would've gone there had it not been 9 hours from home. Don't get me wrong i love MSU for the school it is. Which in the academic department they go out of their way to help you. When it comes to sports though i'm a Vol through and through, whether people consider it "legit grounds" to be a fan or not is another matter entirely.
     
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    BOLD PREDICTION - TN Covers the spread this weekend!

    Go VOLS!
     
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    Lane Kiffin gutted the 2010 recruiting class and hobbled 2011. Realistically, this is the first season Dooley gets any credit or blame for. And IIRC, there were seven SEC teams whose 2012 recruits were ranked above UT's.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackops_2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When it comes to sports though i'm a Vol through and through, whether people consider it "legit grounds" to be a fan or not is another matter entirely. </div></div>

    That makes total sense to me. I was just curious and I hope you didn't think I was calling you for not being a "legit fan", because that was in no way my intent.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

    That makes total sense to me. I was just curious and I hope you didn't think I was calling you for not being a "legit fan", because that was in no way my intent. </div></div>

    No worries, I didn't think you saying that, sorry if i implied you were. I was just stating it i guess.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lane Kiffin gutted the 2010 recruiting class and hobbled 2011. Realistically, this is the first season Dooley gets any credit or blame for. And IIRC, there were seven SEC teams whose 2012 recruits were ranked above UT's.</div></div>

    I supported Kiffin for a while just because he was coaching there. Then he pulled that crap as if UT was some stepping stone, for the record i hope his tenure at USC goes down in flames with his coaching reputation. Guy is a douche. Yeah Dooley walked into a bit of a mess. I'm not one to say lets fire him like most fans will, because honestly that will do the program more harm than good. I do however want to see some defensive improvements over the season. Since i've been a UT fan they've yet to have a defense like the one that everyone associated UT with in the 90s. It was alright in 2007 though, Berry was one of the most exceptional players I've seen and one of the few #1 recruits that lived up in every aspect of it.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: over_watch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BOLD PREDICTION - TN Covers the spread this weekend!
    Go VOLS! </div></div>

    Yeah.
    TN has a game with a couple of blocked kicks to maybe, finally, avenge.
    I am hoping the stars align, just once this season.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LanceS4803</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

    Yeah.
    TN has a game with a couple of blocked kicks to maybe, finally, avenge.
    I am hoping the stars align, just once this season.</div></div>

    Indeed that would be awesome.

    Commercials are still hyping the game despite it being statistically one sided. After all.. it is still the third saturday in october. Hoping to see a good game.
     
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    To an extent that part of the problem with UT fans, they're fickle. Granted i might be overly positive about the entire situation because of the close losses, i'd still be there if i could. On any given day one team can beat another. Hell under Kiffen they should've won that alabama game, and Bama was by far more talented.
     
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    Hey Ainge isn't there anymore so the hell with him. Fact of the matter is more than likely we would need something catastrophic to happen to McCarron. Our D line hasn't gotten to anyone all year. One of my classmates i graduated with starts on the O line of bama, i don't see our DBs getting past him. Steen is a monster.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JonnyHawes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im actually really impressed with our Vols this year.

    To be a pretty new team with a fairly new coach, we have been consistently ALMOST winning hahaha Optimism I know.

    Give it another year or 2 and I think they are gonna be pretty good again.

    The Georgia game was great! Minus that 4th quarter full of turnovers
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    But what was Georgia ranked #5 that week and they were getting EMBARRASSED by Good Ol Rockytop!
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    I didn't know Derek Dooley was a member of the Hide. LOL!

    Roll Tide Baby!!!
     
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    Score represents a tired defense due to lack of intelligence on offense. UT shot themselves in the foot on so many occasions it was unreal. Three times in the red zone they couldn't capitalize, secondly two of bama's touchdowns were just absolutely idiotic plays by the defense. ...idfk
     
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    Someone said it best a little earlier. Dooley has a knack for losing. I doubt he can rebuild a program, but to be fair, Tennessee hasn't been "mighty" for close to a decade. I find it funny to see cars running around still with the '98 national champs license plate...but, then, I am in the heart of Vol country. Still, it gives me a chuckle.

    I don't think Vol fans are fickle so much as impatient. Now that Dooley has almost an entire team of his recruits on the field and they aren't performing, I'd guess he has 1 more year and if they don't have a 9+ winning season, he's out, and it will be because he obviously can't develop his players.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LocoGringo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Someone said it best a little earlier. Dooley has a knack for losing. I doubt he can rebuild a program, but to be fair, Tennessee hasn't been "mighty" for close to a decade. I find it funny to see cars running around still with the '98 national champs license plate...but, then, I am in the heart of Vol country. Still, it gives me a chuckle.

    I don't think Vol fans are fickle so much as impatient. Now that Dooley has almost an entire team of his recruits on the field and they aren't performing, I'd guess he has 1 more year and if they don't have a 9+ winning season, he's out, and it will be because he obviously can't develop his players.</div></div>

    I agree, UT hasn't been "UT good" since 2005. I thought Fulmers last days were just rough patches though. Didn't think they would look great compared to where it's at now.
     
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    It was a big passing numbers night for McCarron but, being honest, it was just a horrible night for the Vols passing defense. I can't think of too many passes that there was a defender in play.
    TN did blow a lot of chances to keep things close but AL really goes in the 4th quarter.
     
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    I wouldn't have believed it but I spoke last night with friends who have friends who are major donors to the UT athletic program. It shocked me to hear them say that their mega-donor friends had told them that Dooley was on <span style="text-decoration: underline">very</span> thin ice. One of them said that if the Vols don't win all four of their November games, there's no power on earth can save him.

    If that's true, Dooley surely picked a curious time to switch to the 3-4 defense, because even the mighty 'Bama D struggled for a couple of seasons after Sabin switched them over. Or maybe that decision is just emblematic of what's wrong with Dooley as a coach.

    Whether that's true or not, that leaves the question of who to replace him with. With the current marketplace, they all seemed to think it would cost $4-5 million per season to get a coach of the caliber to produce a team that will sassify the UT faithful, not including the cost of buying out the remainder of Dooley's contract. And it's not been that long since the UT AD went begging to the deep pocket contributors to buy out the remainder of Fulmer's contract. And another desertion (AKA Lane Kiffin) would gut them.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Heard Ainge say on his radio show that Vols need to go after McCarron, regardless of penalty, and hurt him. Not cool!
    Bama by 100!!!
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    Damn that is pretty horrible. Born in an AU and lived here all my life, even I wont go that far against the Tide. The rivalry is what makes it fun. Without it no one would even care about the sport. I don't know why people want young men with their whole lives ahead of them, to get hurt for our entertainment for any reason.
     
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    Well TN already tried to kill Marcus Lattimore with a cheap shot and only got his knee. They are stinking it up in SEC play this year and are now going to resort to injuring players? That fits right in with the VOLS and how they play sports. Cheap shots and cheating go hand in hand in the "Big Orange" country.
     
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    I'm picking up your dislike for UT.. lol

    Dooley will be gone i think. UK and Missouri aren't guaranteed wins and if he doesn't win out in November he's done for. Roomers are flying of Jon Gruden becoming the next headcoach, i don't see it but one can dream.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackops_2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm picking up your dislike for UT.. lol

    Dooley will be gone i think. UK and Missouri aren't guaranteed wins and if he doesn't win out in November he's done for. Roomers are flying of Jon Gruden becoming the next headcoach, i don't see it but one can dream. </div></div>

    John Gruden won't leave his big time ESPN job.... to much money and less work then being a coach.

    KY is horrible at football, I haven't watched a game all year.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LanceS4803</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good read here:

    Dooley Rumor Perspective </div></div>Why do you think it's a good read? I read it and it seemed like a "puff" piece trying to appeal to emotion about how he's a man and has a family, so...don't be so mean towards him, or something. I haven't forgotten he's a man and has a family, but what the hell does that have to do with how well he does his job? He's half way (or a little more) through his season and his team has a knack for finding ways to lose. I'm sure he's a great guy with a great family, but that doesn't help his team on the field. It's all about results and if he can't get the results of a decidedly winning season, it's time to find someone who can (without rushing around and getting the first coach that is available).
     
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    The part about his family didn't make it a good read (she could have left that out and concentrated on the objective, not subjective).
    The story and comments about how TN has come SO close, so many times, against very good teams. And, taking the team after Kiffen left.
    I think we need to remember that part.
     
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    So I had another conversation with my rabid Vols fan buddies this weekend. And I put the question to them. Dooley doesn't appear to be particularly dense, so he must have known the damage that switching to a 3-4 D was going to do to his record this season. And he must already have known his job was in peril. So if he knew both those things, why would he go ahead and make the switch?

    And there was some chin-scratching, followed by some off-color jokes, followed by a short drunken fight in the parking lot, after which the two pugilists kissed and made up and popped another top, and then somebody hit on an idea. The Vols DC, Sal Sunseri, was a defensive coach under Nick Saban, who, at the time, was running a 3-4. And the UT AD would have had to buy off on Dooley's idea to hire Sunseri.

    So maybe Dooley put the option to him, somehow sold him on the idea of the 3-4, wave of the future or some happy bullshit, and Sunseri along with it, but with the understanding that their D would stink for a season or two as a consequence. And maybe the AD bought into it.

    At the time, Bray was in the midst of throwing for a school record 530 yards (second most in SEC history), so even in a drunken stupor, it wasn't hard to figure out the Vol's offense was pretty potent.

    But the Vols still only squeaked past the mighty Trojans, who were 10 for 19 on 3rd down conversions and scored three TDs from more than 25 yards, including two from more than 50, which made it pretty easy to incriminate the new 3-4 format.

    Anyway, that was the best answer they could come up with before they sobered up.
     
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    Sunseri was Alabama's linebacker coach not Defensive Coordinator. 3-4 is a good defense, great at scheming blitz. I wouldn't think it would be that hard of a defense to run.