Re: Watch out Ar 308 makers and smiths
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rojkoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
As I pointed out earlier, AR-15 was a government nomenclature given to a product of a government research program to replace the M1 carbine. AR-15 was even used by the Air Force and early Army SF troops during the initial purchase of the rifle for combat use overseas. It wasn't until Big Army adopted it, that it became the M-16.</div></div>
No, that was the name Armalite gave to it.
Indeed, but it did start out as an Air Force replacement for the carbine. I have some of the raw research notes for "The great rifle controversy" and they are interesting.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You don't see Springfield calling their semi-auto M14 clone, the M1A (a trademark unique unto itself)an M-14.</div></div>
Do you know the history of the current Springfield Armory? I really don't think you do....
Started by Elmer Ballance. Those are called the "Devine" rifles although it's Devine and Radium.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Armory Been working on SA's since Elmer's days and into the SAI products well into the 90's.
I provided you with actual technical discussion that demonstrates the difference in materials and quality control processes of different manufacturers. Colt ranks at the top. Please provide me of technical examples to suggest which companies produce a superior product to Colt Defense. </div></div>
Colt management and the way the company has been run since the late 70's is questionable, especially given the fact that the M16 production at one point went to FN, not Colt. But that's another issue. My "issues" with Colt are the fact that we were trying to get them to produce a good practical .45 that only took them 30 years to produce... sadly well behind the curve. I can tell you a lot of stories about Colt problems late 70's to early 80's... I was one of the warrentee station guys on the west coast. Never ask me about the fully cyclic Gold Cups.. there were a great deal of them. Hammer and sear pin holes were out of spec. </div></div>
Again, what does this have to do with current production of Colt Defense?
Furthermore, I believe the reason FN got contracts was not quality related as their contract mandates specifics on quality.
Colts Mfg is not Colt Defense. When there is a limited market or the archaic .45, I couldn't see a reason they would pump money into it. Perhaps their Mfg division, but still, they were selling what they already have on the market to their capacity. Their interest has been their Defense division until recently. Also, I'd say "practical .45" is a bit of an oxymoron, but that's another debate altogether. But it's spelled G-L-O-C-K