Any body know a good place to buy one? Need to torque down a Vortex 1-6 in my Spuhr 30mm mount. Prefer a small torque wrench if possible, if not no big deal. Thanks in advance!
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Re: Scope torque wrench
The Borka wrench has received a lot of great feedback from users on here and has been highly regarded and recommended frequently. It's a very interesting design and compact.
I own weavers torque wrench; it comes with calibration certificate (attesting to its accuracy at different settings), carry box, and 10 bits that are most common. It's around the price of the FAT wrench by wheeler but has a higher range. I purchased after hearing several accounts of people who had experience with both and preferred the Weaver (although I've heard plent are happy with FAT wrench as well).
If you have the change (left over after from buying the razor and spuhr) for the Borka you will most likely be happier with its compact/simplistic design. I believe it's +/-% is rated tighter than its competition.
The Borka wrench has received a lot of great feedback from users on here and has been highly regarded and recommended frequently. It's a very interesting design and compact.
I own weavers torque wrench; it comes with calibration certificate (attesting to its accuracy at different settings), carry box, and 10 bits that are most common. It's around the price of the FAT wrench by wheeler but has a higher range. I purchased after hearing several accounts of people who had experience with both and preferred the Weaver (although I've heard plent are happy with FAT wrench as well).
If you have the change (left over after from buying the razor and spuhr) for the Borka you will most likely be happier with its compact/simplistic design. I believe it's +/-% is rated tighter than its competition.
Re: Scope torque wrench
BORKA!!
Check with Steve at Triad:
http://www.triadtactical.com/Borka-Tools/
BORKA!!
Check with Steve at Triad:
http://www.triadtactical.com/Borka-Tools/
Re: Scope torque wrench
HAH, ends up the same place.
HAH, ends up the same place.
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Triad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">HAH, ends up the same place. </div></div>
Triad Tactical is an outstanding company, offering the full line of Borka Tools products, including MG2 kits (special Brownells version of Borka torque driver kit) and the new PTL 65 inch-lbs. torque tools.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Triad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">HAH, ends up the same place. </div></div>
Triad Tactical is an outstanding company, offering the full line of Borka Tools products, including MG2 kits (special Brownells version of Borka torque driver kit) and the new PTL 65 inch-lbs. torque tools.
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BORKA!!
Check with Steve at Triad:
http://www.triadtactical.com/Borka-Tools/</div></div>
+1 Great tools for scope mounting.
Aron-
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BORKA!!
Check with Steve at Triad:
http://www.triadtactical.com/Borka-Tools/</div></div>
+1 Great tools for scope mounting.
Aron-
Re: Scope torque wrench
Ordered from Triad Tactical, thanks everyone!
*edit * from a wedding....yeah its that important
Ordered from Triad Tactical, thanks everyone!
*edit * from a wedding....yeah its that important
Re: Scope torque wrench
Borka is the way to go.
Borka is the way to go.
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillZone45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ordered from Triad Tactical, thanks everyone!
*edit * from a wedding....yeah its that important</div></div>
Hey this hobby is a important one cant argue with that
Aron-
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillZone45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ordered from Triad Tactical, thanks everyone!
*edit * from a wedding....yeah its that important</div></div>
Hey this hobby is a important one cant argue with that
Aron-
Re: Scope torque wrench
Well I know I will get hammered for this but I have a 1/4" Pittsburgh torque wrench I bought on eBay for general mechanical work.
It is the brand harbor freight sells.
Before I used it on $200 mounts and $1000 scopes, I checked its calibration. Easy enough to do with a vise and a fish scale. It turned out to be pretty damn accurate, good enough for this ex-Moldmaker (who is actually pretty fussy about such things and able to measure them).
I took an old 1/4" drive socket and drilled a 3/16" hole through the socket end, 90 degrees to the axis.
I can put nearly any Allen wrench size I need through the hole, rotate the socket so the cross hole is 90 degrees to the axis of the wrench, and torque away.
I have no problem spending money where it's needed but I don't think this is one of those places.
I have go now to find my asbestos suit.
Joe
Well I know I will get hammered for this but I have a 1/4" Pittsburgh torque wrench I bought on eBay for general mechanical work.
It is the brand harbor freight sells.
Before I used it on $200 mounts and $1000 scopes, I checked its calibration. Easy enough to do with a vise and a fish scale. It turned out to be pretty damn accurate, good enough for this ex-Moldmaker (who is actually pretty fussy about such things and able to measure them).
I took an old 1/4" drive socket and drilled a 3/16" hole through the socket end, 90 degrees to the axis.
I can put nearly any Allen wrench size I need through the hole, rotate the socket so the cross hole is 90 degrees to the axis of the wrench, and torque away.
I have no problem spending money where it's needed but I don't think this is one of those places.
I have go now to find my asbestos suit.
Joe
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I know I will get hammered for this but I have a 1/4" Pittsburgh torque wrench I bought on eBay for general mechanical work.
It is the brand harbor freight sells.</div></div>
No flames, but I think you were lucky to get something that suits your needs on the cheap. I'd did what the OP wisely did and got a Borka kit. It's compact, reliable, and the owners and the sellers care about the product and their reputation.
Harbor Freight doesn't seem to care that the tools you get there might not last you a week. That's been my expectation when buying there.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I know I will get hammered for this but I have a 1/4" Pittsburgh torque wrench I bought on eBay for general mechanical work.
It is the brand harbor freight sells.</div></div>
No flames, but I think you were lucky to get something that suits your needs on the cheap. I'd did what the OP wisely did and got a Borka kit. It's compact, reliable, and the owners and the sellers care about the product and their reputation.
Harbor Freight doesn't seem to care that the tools you get there might not last you a week. That's been my expectation when buying there.
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I know I will get hammered for this but I have a 1/4" Pittsburgh torque wrench I bought on eBay for general mechanical work.
It is the brand harbor freight sells.
Before I used it on $200 mounts and $1000 scopes, I checked its calibration. Easy enough to do with a vise and a fish scale. It turned out to be pretty damn accurate, good enough for this ex-Moldmaker (who is actually pretty fussy about such things and able to measure them).
I took an old 1/4" drive socket and drilled a 3/16" hole through the socket end, 90 degrees to the axis.
I can put nearly any Allen wrench size I need through the hole, rotate the socket so the cross hole is 90 degrees to the axis of the wrench, and torque away.
I have no problem spending money where it's needed but I don't think this is one of those places.
I have go now to find my asbestos suit.
Joe </div></div>
Joe,
It's really good to be able to figure out how to make something work with the least amount of money invested... I enjoy doing it myself. And even a piece of 2x4, which can be found absolutely free, can be used for "general mechanical work".
I'm not sure if you actually tried to carry and use your HF setup oudoors, along with your rifle, ammo and other valuable stuff. Very often, "general purpose" tools are not the best choice for this purpose.
My torque kits are optimized for a specific purpose to make it easy to accurately torque critical firearms fasteners, both in the shop and specifically, in the field. They are also designed to be light weight, compact and be able to operate in relatively harsh environment. Borka Tools MG driver is highly repeatable torque tool, as it is a pre-set type tool, much more repeatable than adjustable type torque screwdriver or wrench. Torque application repeatability is absolutely essential for maintaining the long range rifle zero.
This is what you're paying for in case of Borka, for having a piece of equipment which is <span style="font-weight: bold">OPTIMIZED</span> for a specific task, and which can be used by any shooter, even the one who happens not to have a professional moldmaker background and access to Harbor Fright torque tools.
And, of course, you can alsways challenge yourself with making a pre-set torque driver, under 4 ounces in weight and with 12 torque settings. I would really love to learn how much time and money such project of yours may take when you're done with it.
Boris
Borka Tools
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I know I will get hammered for this but I have a 1/4" Pittsburgh torque wrench I bought on eBay for general mechanical work.
It is the brand harbor freight sells.
Before I used it on $200 mounts and $1000 scopes, I checked its calibration. Easy enough to do with a vise and a fish scale. It turned out to be pretty damn accurate, good enough for this ex-Moldmaker (who is actually pretty fussy about such things and able to measure them).
I took an old 1/4" drive socket and drilled a 3/16" hole through the socket end, 90 degrees to the axis.
I can put nearly any Allen wrench size I need through the hole, rotate the socket so the cross hole is 90 degrees to the axis of the wrench, and torque away.
I have no problem spending money where it's needed but I don't think this is one of those places.
I have go now to find my asbestos suit.
Joe </div></div>
Joe,
It's really good to be able to figure out how to make something work with the least amount of money invested... I enjoy doing it myself. And even a piece of 2x4, which can be found absolutely free, can be used for "general mechanical work".
I'm not sure if you actually tried to carry and use your HF setup oudoors, along with your rifle, ammo and other valuable stuff. Very often, "general purpose" tools are not the best choice for this purpose.
My torque kits are optimized for a specific purpose to make it easy to accurately torque critical firearms fasteners, both in the shop and specifically, in the field. They are also designed to be light weight, compact and be able to operate in relatively harsh environment. Borka Tools MG driver is highly repeatable torque tool, as it is a pre-set type tool, much more repeatable than adjustable type torque screwdriver or wrench. Torque application repeatability is absolutely essential for maintaining the long range rifle zero.
This is what you're paying for in case of Borka, for having a piece of equipment which is <span style="font-weight: bold">OPTIMIZED</span> for a specific task, and which can be used by any shooter, even the one who happens not to have a professional moldmaker background and access to Harbor Fright torque tools.
And, of course, you can alsways challenge yourself with making a pre-set torque driver, under 4 ounces in weight and with 12 torque settings. I would really love to learn how much time and money such project of yours may take when you're done with it.
Boris
Borka Tools
Re: Scope torque wrench
I was not aware of the need to carry a torque wrench into the field or to the range. I spend at least 5 hours a week fabricating/machining/armoring, but I admit all of that is done in my shop. When I go to the range, I go to shoot. If the need arose, however, I could use the rig I have at the range.
I have $20k worth of machinist and inspection tools in my shop in addition to a VMC and a DRO equipped engine lathe (all of it now for my fabricating/smithing hobby) so I'm not adverse to spending money where it is required.
I was simply pointing out that a relatively accurate low value torque wrench can be acquired for a low price. I also use the same tool to torque camshaft bearing caps and the like.
I'm confident that the tool you sell is very nice, I just can't justify the cost at this time.
Joe
I was not aware of the need to carry a torque wrench into the field or to the range. I spend at least 5 hours a week fabricating/machining/armoring, but I admit all of that is done in my shop. When I go to the range, I go to shoot. If the need arose, however, I could use the rig I have at the range.
I have $20k worth of machinist and inspection tools in my shop in addition to a VMC and a DRO equipped engine lathe (all of it now for my fabricating/smithing hobby) so I'm not adverse to spending money where it is required.
I was simply pointing out that a relatively accurate low value torque wrench can be acquired for a low price. I also use the same tool to torque camshaft bearing caps and the like.
I'm confident that the tool you sell is very nice, I just can't justify the cost at this time.
Joe
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ...I checked its calibration. Easy enough to do with a vise and <span style="font-weight: bold">a fish scale</span>. It turned out to be pretty damn accurate, good enough for this ex-Moldmaker (who is actually pretty fussy about such things and able to measure them).
....
Joe </div></div>
Joe,
First, I do not anticipate that you'll be spending your money on Borka tools.
Second, fish scale is not typically used for calibration verification of torque tools. It would be a damn easy and cheap way to do that, but somehow, people who make torque tools for living are forced to use something else... Did you check out how accurate is your fish scale, to start with? Did you check just one torque setting of your HF torque wrench, or at least several settings along the whole adjustment scale? You're the technical person, so I guess you know there is a limit to simplification when it comes to picking up correct technology.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
....
I have no problem spending money where it's needed but I don't think this is one of those places.
.....
</div></div>
If you were to add just two words at the end, something like that: "...but I don't think this is one of those places <span style="font-weight: bold">for me</span>", I would not have had to reply to your post at all.
As long as others can see that it is your strictly personal preference to use HF wrench, verified with fish scale, for doing work on precision long range rifles, I can still have a chance to stay in shooters tools business. Otherwise, I got to switch to selling HF wrenches and fish scales. What the heck, considering some points in your post, all I need is simply package both of them together and sell such bundle at a very attractive discount. Kind of steal and sell your idea to a bunch of people engaged in precision shooting, who are "wasting" their money trying to be competative and fail to understand that HF wrench is the way to go...
On the second thought, I'm going to shoot myself before I'll do that.
Thank you for the compliment related to my torque tool.
Boris
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ...I checked its calibration. Easy enough to do with a vise and <span style="font-weight: bold">a fish scale</span>. It turned out to be pretty damn accurate, good enough for this ex-Moldmaker (who is actually pretty fussy about such things and able to measure them).
....
Joe </div></div>
Joe,
First, I do not anticipate that you'll be spending your money on Borka tools.
Second, fish scale is not typically used for calibration verification of torque tools. It would be a damn easy and cheap way to do that, but somehow, people who make torque tools for living are forced to use something else... Did you check out how accurate is your fish scale, to start with? Did you check just one torque setting of your HF torque wrench, or at least several settings along the whole adjustment scale? You're the technical person, so I guess you know there is a limit to simplification when it comes to picking up correct technology.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
....
I have no problem spending money where it's needed but I don't think this is one of those places.
.....
</div></div>
If you were to add just two words at the end, something like that: "...but I don't think this is one of those places <span style="font-weight: bold">for me</span>", I would not have had to reply to your post at all.
As long as others can see that it is your strictly personal preference to use HF wrench, verified with fish scale, for doing work on precision long range rifles, I can still have a chance to stay in shooters tools business. Otherwise, I got to switch to selling HF wrenches and fish scales. What the heck, considering some points in your post, all I need is simply package both of them together and sell such bundle at a very attractive discount. Kind of steal and sell your idea to a bunch of people engaged in precision shooting, who are "wasting" their money trying to be competative and fail to understand that HF wrench is the way to go...
On the second thought, I'm going to shoot myself before I'll do that.
Thank you for the compliment related to my torque tool.
Boris
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ...I checked its calibration. Easy enough to do with a vise and <span style="font-weight: bold">a fish scale</span>. It turned out to be pretty damn accurate, good enough for this ex-Moldmaker (who is actually pretty fussy about such things and able to measure them).
....
Joe </div></div>
Joe,
First, I do not anticipate that you'll be spending your money on Borka tools.
Second, fish scale is not typically used for calibration verification of torque tools. It would be a damn easy and cheap way to do that, but somehow, people who make torque tools for living are forced to use something else... Did you check out how accurate is your fish scale, to start with? Did you check just one torque setting of your HF torque wrench, or at least several settings along the whole adjustment scale? You're the technical person, so I guess you know there is a limit to simplification when it comes to picking up correct technology.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
....
I have no problem spending money where it's needed but I don't think this is one of those places.
.....
</div></div>
If you were to add just two words at the end, something like that: "...but I don't think this is one of those places <span style="font-weight: bold">for me</span>", I would not have had to reply to your post at all.
As long as others can see that it is your strictly personal preference to use HF wrench, verified with fish scale, for doing work on precision long range rifles, I can still have a chance to stay in shooters tools business. Otherwise, I got to switch to selling HF wrenches and fish scales. What the heck, considering some points in your post, all I need is simply package both of them together and sell such bundle at a very attractive discount. Kind of steal and sell your idea to a bunch of people engaged in precision shooting, who are "wasting" their money trying to be competative and fail to understand that HF wrench is the way to go...
On the second thought, I'm going to shoot myself before I'll do that.
Thank you for the compliment related to my torque tool.
Boris </div></div>
wow kortik... i've been using my mac tools torque wrench($300 tool and calibrated every year)for most of my stuff but was looking at your borka tool to simplify things for me. after that post i think i'll go spend my money with your competitors
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ...I checked its calibration. Easy enough to do with a vise and <span style="font-weight: bold">a fish scale</span>. It turned out to be pretty damn accurate, good enough for this ex-Moldmaker (who is actually pretty fussy about such things and able to measure them).
....
Joe </div></div>
Joe,
First, I do not anticipate that you'll be spending your money on Borka tools.
Second, fish scale is not typically used for calibration verification of torque tools. It would be a damn easy and cheap way to do that, but somehow, people who make torque tools for living are forced to use something else... Did you check out how accurate is your fish scale, to start with? Did you check just one torque setting of your HF torque wrench, or at least several settings along the whole adjustment scale? You're the technical person, so I guess you know there is a limit to simplification when it comes to picking up correct technology.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
....
I have no problem spending money where it's needed but I don't think this is one of those places.
.....
</div></div>
If you were to add just two words at the end, something like that: "...but I don't think this is one of those places <span style="font-weight: bold">for me</span>", I would not have had to reply to your post at all.
As long as others can see that it is your strictly personal preference to use HF wrench, verified with fish scale, for doing work on precision long range rifles, I can still have a chance to stay in shooters tools business. Otherwise, I got to switch to selling HF wrenches and fish scales. What the heck, considering some points in your post, all I need is simply package both of them together and sell such bundle at a very attractive discount. Kind of steal and sell your idea to a bunch of people engaged in precision shooting, who are "wasting" their money trying to be competative and fail to understand that HF wrench is the way to go...
On the second thought, I'm going to shoot myself before I'll do that.
Thank you for the compliment related to my torque tool.
Boris </div></div>
wow kortik... i've been using my mac tools torque wrench($300 tool and calibrated every year)for most of my stuff but was looking at your borka tool to simplify things for me. after that post i think i'll go spend my money with your competitors
Re: Scope torque wrench
And what exactly in my post caused the change of your intentions? I would like to understand my sins and improve things...
And what exactly in my post caused the change of your intentions? I would like to understand my sins and improve things...
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _shawn_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ...I checked its calibration. Easy enough to do with a vise and <span style="font-weight: bold">a fish scale</span>. It turned out to be pretty damn accurate, good enough for this ex-Moldmaker (who is actually pretty fussy about such things and able to measure them).
....
Joe </div></div>
Joe,
First, I do not anticipate that you'll be spending your money on Borka tools.
Second, fish scale is not typically used for calibration verification of torque tools. It would be a damn easy and cheap way to do that, but somehow, people who make torque tools for living are forced to use something else... Did you check out how accurate is your fish scale, to start with? Did you check just one torque setting of your HF torque wrench, or at least several settings along the whole adjustment scale? You're the technical person, so I guess you know there is a limit to simplification when it comes to picking up correct technology.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
....
I have no problem spending money where it's needed but I don't think this is one of those places.
.....
</div></div>
If you were to add just two words at the end, something like that: "...but I don't think this is one of those places <span style="font-weight: bold">for me</span>", I would not have had to reply to your post at all.
As long as others can see that it is your strictly personal preference to use HF wrench, verified with fish scale, for doing work on precision long range rifles, I can still have a chance to stay in shooters tools business. Otherwise, I got to switch to selling HF wrenches and fish scales. What the heck, considering some points in your post, all I need is simply package both of them together and sell such bundle at a very attractive discount. Kind of steal and sell your idea to a bunch of people engaged in precision shooting, who are "wasting" their money trying to be competative and fail to understand that HF wrench is the way to go...
On the second thought, I'm going to shoot myself before I'll do that.
Thank you for the compliment related to my torque tool.
Boris </div></div>
wow kortik... i've been using my mac tools torque wrench($300 tool and calibrated every year)for most of my stuff but was looking at your borka tool to simplify things for me. after that post i think i'll go spend my money with your competitors </div></div>
Wow thats pretty stupid. I purchased a Borka tools through Triad Tactical yesterday and even if I would have saw Boris' reply before I would have bought I still would have bought. I think that Boris put a lot of time and energy into designing his tool and thats why maybe he is defending his product in that way. I will be bringing my Borka tools to the Angeles range out in Los Angeles on Sunday to set up my Vortex 1-6xHD on my REPR, so I do need it at the range. If you see me at the range come by and feel free to say hello and shoot my rifle. This is directed at anyone and everyone btw.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _shawn_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ...I checked its calibration. Easy enough to do with a vise and <span style="font-weight: bold">a fish scale</span>. It turned out to be pretty damn accurate, good enough for this ex-Moldmaker (who is actually pretty fussy about such things and able to measure them).
....
Joe </div></div>
Joe,
First, I do not anticipate that you'll be spending your money on Borka tools.
Second, fish scale is not typically used for calibration verification of torque tools. It would be a damn easy and cheap way to do that, but somehow, people who make torque tools for living are forced to use something else... Did you check out how accurate is your fish scale, to start with? Did you check just one torque setting of your HF torque wrench, or at least several settings along the whole adjustment scale? You're the technical person, so I guess you know there is a limit to simplification when it comes to picking up correct technology.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
....
I have no problem spending money where it's needed but I don't think this is one of those places.
.....
</div></div>
If you were to add just two words at the end, something like that: "...but I don't think this is one of those places <span style="font-weight: bold">for me</span>", I would not have had to reply to your post at all.
As long as others can see that it is your strictly personal preference to use HF wrench, verified with fish scale, for doing work on precision long range rifles, I can still have a chance to stay in shooters tools business. Otherwise, I got to switch to selling HF wrenches and fish scales. What the heck, considering some points in your post, all I need is simply package both of them together and sell such bundle at a very attractive discount. Kind of steal and sell your idea to a bunch of people engaged in precision shooting, who are "wasting" their money trying to be competative and fail to understand that HF wrench is the way to go...
On the second thought, I'm going to shoot myself before I'll do that.
Thank you for the compliment related to my torque tool.
Boris </div></div>
wow kortik... i've been using my mac tools torque wrench($300 tool and calibrated every year)for most of my stuff but was looking at your borka tool to simplify things for me. after that post i think i'll go spend my money with your competitors </div></div>
Wow thats pretty stupid. I purchased a Borka tools through Triad Tactical yesterday and even if I would have saw Boris' reply before I would have bought I still would have bought. I think that Boris put a lot of time and energy into designing his tool and thats why maybe he is defending his product in that way. I will be bringing my Borka tools to the Angeles range out in Los Angeles on Sunday to set up my Vortex 1-6xHD on my REPR, so I do need it at the range. If you see me at the range come by and feel free to say hello and shoot my rifle. This is directed at anyone and everyone btw.
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _shawn_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">was looking at your borka tool to simplify things for me. after that post i think i'll go spend my money with your competitors </div></div>
shawn, IMHO you'll just be cutting your nose off to spite your face.
It's you who'll be missing out.....
Boris' kit is simple, easy to use and does the job very well. It is also extremely light and compact (yes scudzuki, I carry it in the field/range..you never know when sh*t will happen)
But as Boris implied, it's not for everyone.....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _shawn_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">was looking at your borka tool to simplify things for me. after that post i think i'll go spend my money with your competitors </div></div>
shawn, IMHO you'll just be cutting your nose off to spite your face.
It's you who'll be missing out.....
Boris' kit is simple, easy to use and does the job very well. It is also extremely light and compact (yes scudzuki, I carry it in the field/range..you never know when sh*t will happen)
But as Boris implied, it's not for everyone.....
Re: Scope torque wrench
Boris makes a great product and obviously cares about how its viewed, In fact he cares enough that he's on this forum regularly answering questions and helping people out.
Which is more than I can say about any other torque tool company that has been mentioned, If I missed one feel free to give me the link.
Anyone can spend their money how ever they feel, I choose to try and support the companies on here like Borka Tools not only because they support our sport but because you can actually talk to the person that owns the company and not some sales person who doesn't know how to get the part you need because its made somewhere in China.
Borka's always with me and gets used not only by me but helping others out at the range or matches multiple times...Hell I had the little Mountz ratchet out this weekend taking the compressor out of my Subzero to get fixed lol.
Boris makes a great product and obviously cares about how its viewed, In fact he cares enough that he's on this forum regularly answering questions and helping people out.
Which is more than I can say about any other torque tool company that has been mentioned, If I missed one feel free to give me the link.
Anyone can spend their money how ever they feel, I choose to try and support the companies on here like Borka Tools not only because they support our sport but because you can actually talk to the person that owns the company and not some sales person who doesn't know how to get the part you need because its made somewhere in China.
Borka's always with me and gets used not only by me but helping others out at the range or matches multiple times...Hell I had the little Mountz ratchet out this weekend taking the compressor out of my Subzero to get fixed lol.
Re: Scope torque wrench
Gentlemen,
Thank you.
I have my weak points - I can not stand being compared to Harbor Freight torque wrench and fish scale, on price or technicalities.. It just plain hurts my sensative nature.
But if somebody is satisfied with that stuff and believes that it works well, I say do it, I have no powers to stop it. But please, don't mention Borka Tools on the same line with Harbor Freight, I'll take it as personal matter and will very likely post something that may stop Mr. _Shawn_ from buying my kit.
Best to all,
Boris
Gentlemen,
Thank you.
I have my weak points - I can not stand being compared to Harbor Freight torque wrench and fish scale, on price or technicalities.. It just plain hurts my sensative nature.
But if somebody is satisfied with that stuff and believes that it works well, I say do it, I have no powers to stop it. But please, don't mention Borka Tools on the same line with Harbor Freight, I'll take it as personal matter and will very likely post something that may stop Mr. _Shawn_ from buying my kit.
Best to all,
Boris
Re: Scope torque wrench
i can understand standing by your product but the amount of contempt for the op in kortiks post just put me off. maybe i'm being overly sensitive
i can understand standing by your product but the amount of contempt for the op in kortiks post just put me off. maybe i'm being overly sensitive
Re: Scope torque wrench
Don't mean to deviate, but how do you know what LB youre suppose to torque the scope rings down to?
Thanks.
Don't mean to deviate, but how do you know what LB youre suppose to torque the scope rings down to?
Thanks.
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grgkng</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't mean to deviate, but how do you know what LB youre suppose to torque the scope rings down to?
Thanks.</div></div>
it all depends on the rings, every manufacturer has different specs
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grgkng</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't mean to deviate, but how do you know what LB youre suppose to torque the scope rings down to?
Thanks.</div></div>
it all depends on the rings, every manufacturer has different specs
Re: Scope torque wrench
I see, where can I find these specs? Also, the borka tool being a 65lb, would that even work with scope rings? can you dial it down?
Thanks.
I see, where can I find these specs? Also, the borka tool being a 65lb, would that even work with scope rings? can you dial it down?
Thanks.
Re: Scope torque wrench
Minimum for firearms:
Torque wrench ft/lbs - Precision Instruments C2FR100F 3/8" Dr Spit Beam
Torque Screwdriver in/lbs -
A) Proto J6106
B) BORKA
Minimum for firearms:
Torque wrench ft/lbs - Precision Instruments C2FR100F 3/8" Dr Spit Beam
Torque Screwdriver in/lbs -
A) Proto J6106
B) BORKA
Re: Scope torque wrench
So finding out that Badger recommends 15in/lb for the ring halves, how would I go about accomplishing this with the borka tool? Or do I need a different tool?
Thanks in advance guys
So finding out that Badger recommends 15in/lb for the ring halves, how would I go about accomplishing this with the borka tool? Or do I need a different tool?
Thanks in advance guys
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grgkng</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So finding out that Badger recommends 15in/lb for the ring halves, how would I go about accomplishing this with the borka tool? Or do I need a different tool?
Thanks in advance guys </div></div>
65 in/lbs
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grgkng</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So finding out that Badger recommends 15in/lb for the ring halves, how would I go about accomplishing this with the borka tool? Or do I need a different tool?
Thanks in advance guys </div></div>
65 in/lbs
Re: Scope torque wrench
the borka tool has a staggered tork rating so the farther you get from the handle the higher the tork is. just pick the spot closest to the desired tork value. it really is a well thought out tool and with how compact it is it would be easy to carry
http://www.borkatools.com/pages/atd12/mtsd.html
picture kinda makes it self explainitory
the borka tool has a staggered tork rating so the farther you get from the handle the higher the tork is. just pick the spot closest to the desired tork value. it really is a well thought out tool and with how compact it is it would be easy to carry
http://www.borkatools.com/pages/atd12/mtsd.html
picture kinda makes it self explainitory
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _shawn_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i can understand standing by your product but the amount of contempt for the op in kortiks post just put me off. maybe i'm being overly sensitive </div></div>
Completely off topic post, and exclusively for _shawn_:
I happen to be a mechanical engineer with 30+ years experience. So, having all this luggage on my shoulders, I'm used to look at technical things very straight forward. Old engineers like myself do develop, sometimes, a bit of attitute - got to use right tool for the right job, etc... So, when I hear that the person with moldmaker background (which usually means having professional level of mechanical skills) mentions fish scale as means of QC (in this case, verification of the accuracy of the torque tool), this sounds, sorry to say, not very professional to me. It is also my strong belief that HF tools are not suitable for doing work on such precise and somewhat delicate mechanisms as rifles, scopes, etc... So, right or wrong, however you want to look at it, I've jumped on OP w/o giving too much thought that he may be in a bit different situation.
I do believe that I'm correct on all technical points, and OP was wrong comparing Borka and HF on price points w/o cpnsidering the difference between tools. Having said this, I do think now that I probably should have posted my reply in somewhat different manner, tailored to sound less juicy. This is with consideration to a simple fact of life that some people tend to take sarcasm or even attempt at humor as offence or sign of contempt.
Hope this puts an end to you having an issue with my reply.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _shawn_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i can understand standing by your product but the amount of contempt for the op in kortiks post just put me off. maybe i'm being overly sensitive </div></div>
Completely off topic post, and exclusively for _shawn_:
I happen to be a mechanical engineer with 30+ years experience. So, having all this luggage on my shoulders, I'm used to look at technical things very straight forward. Old engineers like myself do develop, sometimes, a bit of attitute - got to use right tool for the right job, etc... So, when I hear that the person with moldmaker background (which usually means having professional level of mechanical skills) mentions fish scale as means of QC (in this case, verification of the accuracy of the torque tool), this sounds, sorry to say, not very professional to me. It is also my strong belief that HF tools are not suitable for doing work on such precise and somewhat delicate mechanisms as rifles, scopes, etc... So, right or wrong, however you want to look at it, I've jumped on OP w/o giving too much thought that he may be in a bit different situation.
I do believe that I'm correct on all technical points, and OP was wrong comparing Borka and HF on price points w/o cpnsidering the difference between tools. Having said this, I do think now that I probably should have posted my reply in somewhat different manner, tailored to sound less juicy. This is with consideration to a simple fact of life that some people tend to take sarcasm or even attempt at humor as offence or sign of contempt.
Hope this puts an end to you having an issue with my reply.
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grgkng</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So finding out that Badger recommends 15in/lb for the ring halves, how would I go about accomplishing this with the borka tool? Or do I need a different tool?
Thanks in advance guys </div></div>
This is just one of Borka tools, and this particular one - PTL-065-IP, is not suitable for scope rings. It is basically less expensive alternative to Seekonk T-handle pre-set to 65 inch-lbs., intended for use on action screws and scope mount cross bolts on certain scoped rifles.
For scope rings (15 inch-lbs.), it is appropriate to use Borka MG torque driver.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grgkng</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So finding out that Badger recommends 15in/lb for the ring halves, how would I go about accomplishing this with the borka tool? Or do I need a different tool?
Thanks in advance guys </div></div>
This is just one of Borka tools, and this particular one - PTL-065-IP, is not suitable for scope rings. It is basically less expensive alternative to Seekonk T-handle pre-set to 65 inch-lbs., intended for use on action screws and scope mount cross bolts on certain scoped rifles.
For scope rings (15 inch-lbs.), it is appropriate to use Borka MG torque driver.
Re: Scope torque wrench
Thanks. Since I did not use a torque wrench on one of my scope rings, is it possible I damaged the scope by over tightening?
Thanks.
Thanks. Since I did not use a torque wrench on one of my scope rings, is it possible I damaged the scope by over tightening?
Thanks.
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grgkng</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks. Since I did not use a torque wrench on one of my scope rings, is it possible I damaged the scope by over tightening?
Thanks. </div></div>
What makes you suspect this?
- Did you notice any indentations where the scope rings are?
- Does the scope tube appear out of true/not round?
- Is there any problem in turning the turrets?
- Have you checked click values and return to zero at a known distance (i.e 100yds?)?
As a rule of thumb, if you don't have any torque measuring kit, I've always been advised that proceeding further than 90' past finger tight when tightening is probably best avoided.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grgkng</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks. Since I did not use a torque wrench on one of my scope rings, is it possible I damaged the scope by over tightening?
Thanks. </div></div>
What makes you suspect this?
- Did you notice any indentations where the scope rings are?
- Does the scope tube appear out of true/not round?
- Is there any problem in turning the turrets?
- Have you checked click values and return to zero at a known distance (i.e 100yds?)?
As a rule of thumb, if you don't have any torque measuring kit, I've always been advised that proceeding further than 90' past finger tight when tightening is probably best avoided.
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ...I checked its calibration. Easy enough to do with a vise and <span style="font-weight: bold">a fish scale</span>. It turned out to be pretty damn accurate, good enough for this ex-Moldmaker (who is actually pretty fussy about such things and able to measure them).
....
Joe </div></div>
Joe,
First, I do not anticipate that you'll be spending your money on Borka tools.
Second, fish scale is not typically used for calibration verification of torque tools. It would be a damn easy and cheap way to do that, but somehow, people who make torque tools for living are forced to use something else... Did you check out how accurate is your fish scale, to start with? Did you check just one torque setting of your HF torque wrench, or at least several settings along the whole adjustment scale? You're the technical person, so I guess you know there is a limit to simplification when it comes to picking up correct technology.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
....
I have no problem spending money where it's needed but I don't think this is one of those places.
.....
</div></div>
If you were to add just two words at the end, something like that: "...but I don't think this is one of those places <span style="font-weight: bold">for me</span>", I would not have had to reply to your post at all.
As long as others can see that it is your strictly personal preference to use HF wrench, verified with fish scale, for doing work on precision long range rifles, I can still have a chance to stay in shooters tools business. Otherwise, I got to switch to selling HF wrenches and fish scales. What the heck, considering some points in your post, all I need is simply package both of them together and sell such bundle at a very attractive discount. Kind of steal and sell your idea to a bunch of people engaged in precision shooting, who are "wasting" their money trying to be competative and fail to understand that HF wrench is the way to go...
On the second thought, I'm going to shoot myself before I'll do that.
Thank you for the compliment related to my torque tool.
Boris </div></div>
I verified the fish scale using known weights, yes.
I verified the torque wrench at the values I would be using it at.
Neither operation was rocket science, and any mechanically inclined person can figure out how to do it.
'nuff said.
Joe
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ...I checked its calibration. Easy enough to do with a vise and <span style="font-weight: bold">a fish scale</span>. It turned out to be pretty damn accurate, good enough for this ex-Moldmaker (who is actually pretty fussy about such things and able to measure them).
....
Joe </div></div>
Joe,
First, I do not anticipate that you'll be spending your money on Borka tools.
Second, fish scale is not typically used for calibration verification of torque tools. It would be a damn easy and cheap way to do that, but somehow, people who make torque tools for living are forced to use something else... Did you check out how accurate is your fish scale, to start with? Did you check just one torque setting of your HF torque wrench, or at least several settings along the whole adjustment scale? You're the technical person, so I guess you know there is a limit to simplification when it comes to picking up correct technology.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
....
I have no problem spending money where it's needed but I don't think this is one of those places.
.....
</div></div>
If you were to add just two words at the end, something like that: "...but I don't think this is one of those places <span style="font-weight: bold">for me</span>", I would not have had to reply to your post at all.
As long as others can see that it is your strictly personal preference to use HF wrench, verified with fish scale, for doing work on precision long range rifles, I can still have a chance to stay in shooters tools business. Otherwise, I got to switch to selling HF wrenches and fish scales. What the heck, considering some points in your post, all I need is simply package both of them together and sell such bundle at a very attractive discount. Kind of steal and sell your idea to a bunch of people engaged in precision shooting, who are "wasting" their money trying to be competative and fail to understand that HF wrench is the way to go...
On the second thought, I'm going to shoot myself before I'll do that.
Thank you for the compliment related to my torque tool.
Boris </div></div>
I verified the fish scale using known weights, yes.
I verified the torque wrench at the values I would be using it at.
Neither operation was rocket science, and any mechanically inclined person can figure out how to do it.
'nuff said.
Joe
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillZone45</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _shawn_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ...I checked its calibration. Easy enough to do with a vise and <span style="font-weight: bold">a fish scale</span>. It turned out to be pretty damn accurate, good enough for this ex-Moldmaker (who is actually pretty fussy about such things and able to measure them).
....
Joe </div></div>
Joe,
First, I do not anticipate that you'll be spending your money on Borka tools.
Second, fish scale is not typically used for calibration verification of torque tools. It would be a damn easy and cheap way to do that, but somehow, people who make torque tools for living are forced to use something else... Did you check out how accurate is your fish scale, to start with? Did you check just one torque setting of your HF torque wrench, or at least several settings along the whole adjustment scale? You're the technical person, so I guess you know there is a limit to simplification when it comes to picking up correct technology.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
....
I have no problem spending money where it's needed but I don't think this is one of those places.
.....
</div></div>
If you were to add just two words at the end, something like that: "...but I don't think this is one of those places <span style="font-weight: bold">for me</span>", I would not have had to reply to your post at all.
As long as others can see that it is your strictly personal preference to use HF wrench, verified with fish scale, for doing work on precision long range rifles, I can still have a chance to stay in shooters tools business. Otherwise, I got to switch to selling HF wrenches and fish scales. What the heck, considering some points in your post, all I need is simply package both of them together and sell such bundle at a very attractive discount. Kind of steal and sell your idea to a bunch of people engaged in precision shooting, who are "wasting" their money trying to be competative and fail to understand that HF wrench is the way to go...
On the second thought, I'm going to shoot myself before I'll do that.
Thank you for the compliment related to my torque tool.
Boris </div></div>
wow kortik... i've been using my mac tools torque wrench($300 tool and calibrated every year)for most of my stuff but was looking at your borka tool to simplify things for me. after that post i think i'll go spend my money with your competitors </div></div>
Wow thats pretty stupid. I purchased a Borka tools through Triad Tactical yesterday and even if I would have saw Boris' reply before I would have bought I still would have bought. I think that Boris put a lot of time and energy into designing his tool and thats why maybe he is defending his product in that way. I will be bringing my Borka tools to the Angeles range out in Los Angeles on Sunday to set up my Vortex 1-6xHD on my REPR, so I do need it at the range. If you see me at the range come by and feel free to say hello and shoot my rifle. This is directed at anyone and everyone btw. </div></div>
I bought the torque wrench to reassemble the top end on the GSXR1000 engine I recently did the valve service on. It was an appropriate purchase.
As such I already had a low value torque wrench when I needed one recently to tighten scope rings.
How is it then a "stupid purchase"?
Don't get you panties in a bunch just because I didn't endorse your acquisition... if you are happy with it, good for you.
Joe
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillZone45</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _shawn_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ...I checked its calibration. Easy enough to do with a vise and <span style="font-weight: bold">a fish scale</span>. It turned out to be pretty damn accurate, good enough for this ex-Moldmaker (who is actually pretty fussy about such things and able to measure them).
....
Joe </div></div>
Joe,
First, I do not anticipate that you'll be spending your money on Borka tools.
Second, fish scale is not typically used for calibration verification of torque tools. It would be a damn easy and cheap way to do that, but somehow, people who make torque tools for living are forced to use something else... Did you check out how accurate is your fish scale, to start with? Did you check just one torque setting of your HF torque wrench, or at least several settings along the whole adjustment scale? You're the technical person, so I guess you know there is a limit to simplification when it comes to picking up correct technology.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scudzuki</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
....
I have no problem spending money where it's needed but I don't think this is one of those places.
.....
</div></div>
If you were to add just two words at the end, something like that: "...but I don't think this is one of those places <span style="font-weight: bold">for me</span>", I would not have had to reply to your post at all.
As long as others can see that it is your strictly personal preference to use HF wrench, verified with fish scale, for doing work on precision long range rifles, I can still have a chance to stay in shooters tools business. Otherwise, I got to switch to selling HF wrenches and fish scales. What the heck, considering some points in your post, all I need is simply package both of them together and sell such bundle at a very attractive discount. Kind of steal and sell your idea to a bunch of people engaged in precision shooting, who are "wasting" their money trying to be competative and fail to understand that HF wrench is the way to go...
On the second thought, I'm going to shoot myself before I'll do that.
Thank you for the compliment related to my torque tool.
Boris </div></div>
wow kortik... i've been using my mac tools torque wrench($300 tool and calibrated every year)for most of my stuff but was looking at your borka tool to simplify things for me. after that post i think i'll go spend my money with your competitors </div></div>
Wow thats pretty stupid. I purchased a Borka tools through Triad Tactical yesterday and even if I would have saw Boris' reply before I would have bought I still would have bought. I think that Boris put a lot of time and energy into designing his tool and thats why maybe he is defending his product in that way. I will be bringing my Borka tools to the Angeles range out in Los Angeles on Sunday to set up my Vortex 1-6xHD on my REPR, so I do need it at the range. If you see me at the range come by and feel free to say hello and shoot my rifle. This is directed at anyone and everyone btw. </div></div>
I bought the torque wrench to reassemble the top end on the GSXR1000 engine I recently did the valve service on. It was an appropriate purchase.
As such I already had a low value torque wrench when I needed one recently to tighten scope rings.
How is it then a "stupid purchase"?
Don't get you panties in a bunch just because I didn't endorse your acquisition... if you are happy with it, good for you.
Joe
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _shawn_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i can understand standing by your product but the amount of contempt for the op in kortiks post just put me off. maybe i'm being overly sensitive </div></div>
Completely off topic post, and exclusively for _shawn_:
I happen to be a mechanical engineer with 30+ years experience. So, having all this luggage on my shoulders, I'm used to look at technical things very straight forward. Old engineers like myself do develop, sometimes, a bit of attitute - got to use right tool for the right job, etc... So, when I hear that the person with moldmaker background (which usually means having professional level of mechanical skills) mentions fish scale as means of QC (in this case, verification of the accuracy of the torque tool), this sounds, sorry to say, not very professional to me. It is also my strong belief that HF tools are not suitable for doing work on such precise and somewhat delicate mechanisms as rifles, scopes, etc... So, right or wrong, however you want to look at it, I've jumped on OP w/o giving too much thought that he may be in a bit different situation.
I do believe that I'm correct on all technical points, and OP was wrong comparing Borka and HF on price points w/o cpnsidering the difference between tools. Having said this, I do think now that I probably should have posted my reply in somewhat different manner, tailored to sound less juicy. This is with consideration to a simple fact of life that some people tend to take sarcasm or even attempt at humor as offence or sign of contempt.
Hope this puts an end to you having an issue with my reply.
</div></div>
ya most engineers i know have that attitude, especially the younger crowd(who incidentally generally leave my job sites in tears after being told exactly how stupid they are and how much they're brand new engineering degree means to me). kinda wish there were more old engineers around. the younger generation is just stupid....or atleast the 1's i deal with are.
i completely understand the right tool for the right job. you should see my garage. if my house was robbed today and they didn't think to look in the garage i'd be completely ok with that and probably wouldn't bother the insurance company or cops but if they got the garage too i'd be crushed financially/emotionally. seeing the op post up that he used a harbor freight torque wrench on a gsxr1000 motor makes me fear for the riders safety. anybody using a $20 chinese torque wrench on a motor that spins 10,000 rpms even if it's just on assembling the head shouldn't be working on motors.
the bad thing about the internet is it is sometimes hard to judge how the poster is trying to come across. i don't have any issues with your product, hell i even promoted it a couple posts up and it really is a great design and kudo's to you for coming up with it and at the pricepoint your selling it, i just have issues with people who talk down to people/potential customers, even when those people/potential customers manage to put their foot in their mouth
honestly i'll probably still buy your product because it really is a good design and i've been eyeballing it since i bought my scope last month but seeing as how i have the tools at home to do the job i'll probably wait till i actually need it to make my life easier
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _shawn_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i can understand standing by your product but the amount of contempt for the op in kortiks post just put me off. maybe i'm being overly sensitive </div></div>
Completely off topic post, and exclusively for _shawn_:
I happen to be a mechanical engineer with 30+ years experience. So, having all this luggage on my shoulders, I'm used to look at technical things very straight forward. Old engineers like myself do develop, sometimes, a bit of attitute - got to use right tool for the right job, etc... So, when I hear that the person with moldmaker background (which usually means having professional level of mechanical skills) mentions fish scale as means of QC (in this case, verification of the accuracy of the torque tool), this sounds, sorry to say, not very professional to me. It is also my strong belief that HF tools are not suitable for doing work on such precise and somewhat delicate mechanisms as rifles, scopes, etc... So, right or wrong, however you want to look at it, I've jumped on OP w/o giving too much thought that he may be in a bit different situation.
I do believe that I'm correct on all technical points, and OP was wrong comparing Borka and HF on price points w/o cpnsidering the difference between tools. Having said this, I do think now that I probably should have posted my reply in somewhat different manner, tailored to sound less juicy. This is with consideration to a simple fact of life that some people tend to take sarcasm or even attempt at humor as offence or sign of contempt.
Hope this puts an end to you having an issue with my reply.
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ya most engineers i know have that attitude, especially the younger crowd(who incidentally generally leave my job sites in tears after being told exactly how stupid they are and how much they're brand new engineering degree means to me). kinda wish there were more old engineers around. the younger generation is just stupid....or atleast the 1's i deal with are.
i completely understand the right tool for the right job. you should see my garage. if my house was robbed today and they didn't think to look in the garage i'd be completely ok with that and probably wouldn't bother the insurance company or cops but if they got the garage too i'd be crushed financially/emotionally. seeing the op post up that he used a harbor freight torque wrench on a gsxr1000 motor makes me fear for the riders safety. anybody using a $20 chinese torque wrench on a motor that spins 10,000 rpms even if it's just on assembling the head shouldn't be working on motors.
the bad thing about the internet is it is sometimes hard to judge how the poster is trying to come across. i don't have any issues with your product, hell i even promoted it a couple posts up and it really is a great design and kudo's to you for coming up with it and at the pricepoint your selling it, i just have issues with people who talk down to people/potential customers, even when those people/potential customers manage to put their foot in their mouth
honestly i'll probably still buy your product because it really is a good design and i've been eyeballing it since i bought my scope last month but seeing as how i have the tools at home to do the job i'll probably wait till i actually need it to make my life easier
Re: Scope torque wrench
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _shawn_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _shawn_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i can understand standing by your product but the amount of contempt for the op in kortiks post just put me off. maybe i'm being overly sensitive </div></div>
Completely off topic post, and exclusively for _shawn_:
I happen to be a mechanical engineer with 30+ years experience. So, having all this luggage on my shoulders, I'm used to look at technical things very straight forward. Old engineers like myself do develop, sometimes, a bit of attitute - got to use right tool for the right job, etc... So, when I hear that the person with moldmaker background (which usually means having professional level of mechanical skills) mentions fish scale as means of QC (in this case, verification of the accuracy of the torque tool), this sounds, sorry to say, not very professional to me. It is also my strong belief that HF tools are not suitable for doing work on such precise and somewhat delicate mechanisms as rifles, scopes, etc... So, right or wrong, however you want to look at it, I've jumped on OP w/o giving too much thought that he may be in a bit different situation.
I do believe that I'm correct on all technical points, and OP was wrong comparing Borka and HF on price points w/o cpnsidering the difference between tools. Having said this, I do think now that I probably should have posted my reply in somewhat different manner, tailored to sound less juicy. This is with consideration to a simple fact of life that some people tend to take sarcasm or even attempt at humor as offence or sign of contempt.
Hope this puts an end to you having an issue with my reply.
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ya most engineers i know have that attitude, especially the younger crowd(who incidentally generally leave my job sites in tears after being told exactly how stupid they are and how much they're brand new engineering degree means to me). kinda wish there were more old engineers around. the younger generation is just stupid....or atleast the 1's i deal with are.
i completely understand the right tool for the right job. you should see my garage. if my house was robbed today and they didn't think to look in the garage i'd be completely ok with that and probably wouldn't bother the insurance company or cops but if they got the garage too i'd be crushed financially/emotionally. seeing the op post up that he used a harbor freight torque wrench on a gsxr1000 motor makes me fear for the riders safety. anybody using a $20 chinese torque wrench on a motor that spins 10,000 rpms even if it's just on assembling the head shouldn't be working on motors.
the bad thing about the internet is it is sometimes hard to judge how the poster is trying to come across. i don't have any issues with your product, hell i even promoted it a couple posts up and it really is a great design and kudo's to you for coming up with it and at the pricepoint your selling it, i just have issues with people who talk down to people/potential customers, even when those people/potential customers manage to put their foot in their mouth
honestly i'll probably still buy your product because it really is a good design and i've been eyeballing it since i bought my scope last month but seeing as how i have the tools at home to do the job i'll probably wait till i actually need it to make my life easier
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Actually the motor spins to 12k RPM.
I've been rebuilding IC motors for 35 years and machining/fabricating for 30 years.
Anytime you would like to challenge my knowledge of machining, design, solid modeling, CAM, internal combustion, etc, I'll be glad to school you.
Incidentally, genius, OP means original poster. Try to master the vocabulary before you spout off, it just makes you look more ignorant.
Joe
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _shawn_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _shawn_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i can understand standing by your product but the amount of contempt for the op in kortiks post just put me off. maybe i'm being overly sensitive </div></div>
Completely off topic post, and exclusively for _shawn_:
I happen to be a mechanical engineer with 30+ years experience. So, having all this luggage on my shoulders, I'm used to look at technical things very straight forward. Old engineers like myself do develop, sometimes, a bit of attitute - got to use right tool for the right job, etc... So, when I hear that the person with moldmaker background (which usually means having professional level of mechanical skills) mentions fish scale as means of QC (in this case, verification of the accuracy of the torque tool), this sounds, sorry to say, not very professional to me. It is also my strong belief that HF tools are not suitable for doing work on such precise and somewhat delicate mechanisms as rifles, scopes, etc... So, right or wrong, however you want to look at it, I've jumped on OP w/o giving too much thought that he may be in a bit different situation.
I do believe that I'm correct on all technical points, and OP was wrong comparing Borka and HF on price points w/o cpnsidering the difference between tools. Having said this, I do think now that I probably should have posted my reply in somewhat different manner, tailored to sound less juicy. This is with consideration to a simple fact of life that some people tend to take sarcasm or even attempt at humor as offence or sign of contempt.
Hope this puts an end to you having an issue with my reply.
</div></div>
ya most engineers i know have that attitude, especially the younger crowd(who incidentally generally leave my job sites in tears after being told exactly how stupid they are and how much they're brand new engineering degree means to me). kinda wish there were more old engineers around. the younger generation is just stupid....or atleast the 1's i deal with are.
i completely understand the right tool for the right job. you should see my garage. if my house was robbed today and they didn't think to look in the garage i'd be completely ok with that and probably wouldn't bother the insurance company or cops but if they got the garage too i'd be crushed financially/emotionally. seeing the op post up that he used a harbor freight torque wrench on a gsxr1000 motor makes me fear for the riders safety. anybody using a $20 chinese torque wrench on a motor that spins 10,000 rpms even if it's just on assembling the head shouldn't be working on motors.
the bad thing about the internet is it is sometimes hard to judge how the poster is trying to come across. i don't have any issues with your product, hell i even promoted it a couple posts up and it really is a great design and kudo's to you for coming up with it and at the pricepoint your selling it, i just have issues with people who talk down to people/potential customers, even when those people/potential customers manage to put their foot in their mouth
honestly i'll probably still buy your product because it really is a good design and i've been eyeballing it since i bought my scope last month but seeing as how i have the tools at home to do the job i'll probably wait till i actually need it to make my life easier
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Actually the motor spins to 12k RPM.
I've been rebuilding IC motors for 35 years and machining/fabricating for 30 years.
Anytime you would like to challenge my knowledge of machining, design, solid modeling, CAM, internal combustion, etc, I'll be glad to school you.
Incidentally, genius, OP means original poster. Try to master the vocabulary before you spout off, it just makes you look more ignorant.
Joe
Re: Scope torque wrench
Incidentally, genius, OP means original poster. Try to master the vocabulary before you spout off, it just makes you look more ignorant.
Joe[/quote]
guess i didn't scroll up when i originally clicked on this thread because when i did come into this thread your post was at the top of my screen. this is the only forum i'm on that doesn't take you to the very first post in the thread you click on
i have a silly question for you. if you've been doing that for so long why would you have a pittsburg(harbor freight) torque wrench laying around? most quality machinist/mechanic/fabricator/whathaveyou that i know or deal with would be embarrassed to have that in their shop. that's like me using a flea market screwdriver or side cutters when hooking up panels(been a journeyman electrician for 15 years). me personally i buy quality tools to make sure the quality of the product i put out isn't effected
Incidentally, genius, OP means original poster. Try to master the vocabulary before you spout off, it just makes you look more ignorant.
Joe[/quote]
guess i didn't scroll up when i originally clicked on this thread because when i did come into this thread your post was at the top of my screen. this is the only forum i'm on that doesn't take you to the very first post in the thread you click on
i have a silly question for you. if you've been doing that for so long why would you have a pittsburg(harbor freight) torque wrench laying around? most quality machinist/mechanic/fabricator/whathaveyou that i know or deal with would be embarrassed to have that in their shop. that's like me using a flea market screwdriver or side cutters when hooking up panels(been a journeyman electrician for 15 years). me personally i buy quality tools to make sure the quality of the product i put out isn't effected
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