Suppressors Suppressor/Muzzle brake question

[R6Hybridd]

I love the idea of a suppressor that threads on to a muzzle brake but today a question came to mind. If I have a suppressor on, would i ever take it off? For those of you that have this type of setup, do you ever take the suppressor off and shoot (aside from where law says you can't hunt with one)?

Reason i am asking is cause i have a GAP-10 on order and i would like to get the can ordered and paper work off so maby i can have a nice June birthday.

Btw, i am currently looking at AAC, Thunderbeast, and Templar suppressors. An any opinions or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

 

[Ring]

Re: Suppressor/Muzzle brake question

i never shoot with out it... but i take them off to clean or at times to fit the gun back in the bag...

or my QD swaps from my 260 bolt to my M4

also, the break acts as a blast baffle

 

[Zak Smith]

Re: Suppressor/Muzzle brake question

Hi,

If you're going to shoot "100%" of the time with the suppressor, you're right that going over a brake doesn't give you that much. The two main reasons people get one of our "BA" models over the direct thread attach are: (1) they actually might shoot without the suppressor on a larger cartridge (.338), and (2) they have rifles with different muzzle threads and the brakes can act as a thread adapter. On a semi-auto where you shoot with another muzzle device when the suppressor is off, using the suppressor's brake mount also means you don't have to re-time the other device when you're not shooting with the can.

hope this helps
Zak

 

[R6Hybridd]

Re: Suppressor/Muzzle brake question

Is there any increased sound suppression or recoil reduction with the can over brake setup?

 

[Abq-Defense]

Re: Suppressor/Muzzle brake question

I bought the BA-30 becuase one of my rifles has a thick barrel and the other a thin barrel. There was no way to use one can on both guns without a brake. If you think you mayu end up in a similar situation, you want to get the brake/can combo.

The BA-30 works well. It is easy to switch the can between guns. Make sure you get a good cover with it. The mirage from a can is suprisingly strong.

Zak,

What is the best way to clean the brakes? I have the brakes attached with the loctite type stuff you provide, so is there a good way to clean these without removing the brake from the gun?

When the brake was used without a can, it was easy to clean. With the can, the grunge seems to get cooked on there pretty good.

 

[Zak Smith]

Re: Suppressor/Muzzle brake question

You can use brake cleaner and a stiff nylon "wire" brush. (You can use a metal wire brush if you don't care about scraping off some of the black finish.) If you need to soften some carbon, peroxide will do it.

 

[Zak Smith]

Re: Suppressor/Muzzle brake question

R6Hybridd,

There isn't really a difference between our 30P-1 and 30BA in those respects.

 

[Abq-Defense]

Re: Suppressor/Muzzle brake question

Great, Thanks for the cleaning info Zak.

I was reluctant to get a 2-piece solution like the BA30, but after owning one, its no big deal. It's a terrific solution actually. If I decide to use the can on my AR, I just need to buy another break and I'm good to go.

 

[batarrier]

Re: Suppressor/Muzzle brake question

Also consider if you want to run the suppressor between multiple guns; i.e. your Gap 10 and a M4 or bolt gun. 1 time dealing with ATF, multiple uses.

 

[RotARy15]

Re: Suppressor/Muzzle brake question

Speaking of multiple brakes with different threading for different rifles, what is the appreciable difference, if any, of a .223 muzzle brake and a 30 cal brake when shooting a .223 bullet through it.

Is there a significant loss of braking ability with sub-caliber through larger brakes?

Trying to gauge how effective the 30BA brake will be on a .223 AR.

 

[batarrier]

Re: Suppressor/Muzzle brake question

Not sure if I'm answering this right but for me to run my AAC sdn-6 on both my repr and LMT I use a 7.62 brake AND a 5.56 brake. For AAC as long as I have the appropriate adapter (brake or hider) it works.

 

[HPLLC]

Re: Suppressor/Muzzle brake question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RotARy15</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Speaking of multiple brakes with different threading for different rifles, what is the appreciable difference, if any, of a .223 muzzle brake and a 30 cal brake when shooting a .223 bullet through it.

Is there a significant loss of braking ability with sub-caliber through larger brakes?

Trying to gauge how effective the 30BA brake will be on a .223 AR. </div></div>

Most muzzle brakes are .015" to .035" oversize of bullet diameter. This reduces blow by and increases efficiency while providing clearance each manufacturer feels will guaranty safe passage of the bullet without baffle contact when mounted on their customer's barrels. Where each manufacturer falls in that range is a matter of personal preference and in some cases educated opinion based on barrel thread quality in the market. We run ours .035" over because we don't want our muzzle brakes to risk bullet contact which will cause dangerous errant bullet flight deviation from the intended flight path and would very probably destroy a mounted sound suppressor.

Using a .30 caliber brake with an ~.345" hole with a .224 bullet is .121" oversize, and fairly significant blow by will occur. I would expect brake efficiency to drop about 50% from ~58% to ~29% recoil reduction.

Granted 5.56mm rifles don't possess a huge amount of recoil to begin with, so the recoil wouldn't be very large either.

 

[11B-B4]

Re: Suppressor/Muzzle brake question

There is a way to test that theory with a roller bearing Macro slide videography setup and a heavy laterally mounted food scale or something of that nature.

Maybe someone with a macro slide can do that?
It would be interesting to say the least.

 

[k9ghost]

Re: Suppressor/Muzzle brake question

There are times when you may want to run without the can thats what makes owning a QD or thread on so much more desirable than a integral unit. There maybe times where the extra length and weight are not appreciated due to the type of application.

 

[11B-B4]

Re: Suppressor/Muzzle brake question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: k9ghost</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are times when you may want to run without the can thats what makes owning a QD or thread on so much more desirable than a integral unit. There maybe times where the extra length and weight are not appreciated due to the type of application. </div></div>

Integrals are a very niche market product. Most suppressors today can come within 1-2 DB of performance with much smaller dimensions and provide the user with the flexibility to use the qd/Thread on can on other host weapons.

I'm not saying there are no applications for integrals, but for the most part it is a thing of the past.