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Gunsmithing Homemade 10/22

skog

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I am going to make me a 10/22 w/ pic rail and a couple other adjustments. I only have 1 problem (well at least that we need to discuss here.) How do you drill the hole for the guide rod at the rear of the receiver? Could drill it through from the backside and then plug it but that would be hokey.

Thanks
 
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You could always thread the rear of the receiver and have a non captive spring, the back of the guide rod would be larger and thread into the receiver. Hard trying to invision what your are trying to do, get it built up and post some pics.

Kirk R
 
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The 10/22 guide rod/recoil spring/charging handle is all one assembly. The band know of the guide rod sits in a detent hole. So the tail don't flop around. If you gut a 10/22 you can see it. I will see if I can get a picture of the model in a bit.
 
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I think we used a real long drill bit, after making a starter hole with a something. It was a while ago... but a long drill bit I think was my answer. It just has to be enough of a cone shaped hole so that the rod tip will stay put. This was one of the lasts steps. Had to be done after everything else so there was room to run the 12" drill bit in. I think it was 5/32" or so.


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Its fun as hell!
 
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You can see mine in the last pic, and second to last. Its not very deep at all. I just ran a drill bit in through the face and drilled it carefully. After creating a starter dimple with a tiny dremel abrasive ball I think.
Its easy and not a critical thing. It just has to keep that rod tip in place.

Mine has never failed. Not once.
 
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Now I remember. Made a dimple with something, I want to say a tiny dremel bit.
Then I ran a long drill bit through the front end of the ejection port. I know its at an angle, and not straight back, but it doesn't matter. Whole class did it that way and they've been doing it that way there for years. Or you can use a really long drill bit through the receiver face.

Like I said, it doesnt have to be perfectly angled rearward... if done with some common sense it'll work and mine has never failed.



Here's what mine ended up being... super-duper tactical 22
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Red dot is sighted in out to 80 yards. And you can hit a soda can at 80 yards every shot off a pack. Scope is for 100-200 yards.
 
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Get yourself a long winded center drill. Just spot the location and go deep enough to allow a larger drill to bite and hold the location.

You are however onto something if you come from the rear. (ouch, sounds baaaaaad
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I've made a half dozen of these things over the years playing around with various ideas. One was to make the op rod/spring adjustable. The idea was to tailor the delay of the bolt to maximize the "chamber time" that the case spent sealing up the breech. It was as simple as an adjustment screw. Bench testing at the OTC (olympic training center) did show some small gains with various types of ammo. (Eley Tennex, Russian "olymp", Lapua, RWS, etc)

Another thing I did was lengthen the receiver ring a bit to allow for a longer barrel tennon. Every international smallbore gun I've ever seen/worked on (and its been quite a few different types) uses a very long tennon for the barrel support. If you think about it, there's a good reason.

Rimfires are little piss ant cartridges that are horrible compared to hot rod centerfires. The entire design is very inefficient, the bullet has no jacket, and everything is very slow compared to a CF.

With a velocity of around 1000-1500fps its basically 1/3rd to 1/2 that of any modern HP CF cartridge. It also means the bullet is spending twice to 3X as long in the barrel. Forces that don't have time to affect a CF have much more time to screw with the rimfire.

A longer tennon helps to mitigate/manage these forces.

Just some food for thought on a Saturday.

Good luck with your project.

C.
 
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I guess I never thought of doing it by hand. Everything was going to be done on a Haas vm3. Well that makes it easier. May draw it up with it coming in from the back and mull it over. Was thinking about making an external spring tension adjustment to make it run for several loads. Really want to play with the 60 grain subs.

One of the changes I was considering was increasing the barrel tenon and threading it. What is your opinion of the standard ruger v block vs threading given the same tenon length?
 
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Are you making it from scratch or an 80%. I am going to start one soon also. I think making the dipple at an angle will be fine. I want to thread mine as well. I hate the v-block set up. I was looking around to see how to do the ejector slot when the barrel is threaded in. I guess just install the barrel and scribe a line on a surface plate and figure out how much more angle it needs. Looks like about the 4'oclock position with out really checking.
 
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I will be making it from barstock. My dilema is I have access to some high quality milling equiptment and software. I am severally lacking in the lathe department. May have to stick with a prechambered barrel and factory tenon.

For the extractor cuts i would experiment with scrap first but I bet if you dykem the tenon and then close the bolt with the extractors installed. Then just cut the scribe marks.
 
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Get as long a drill as you can find and if that doesn't reach then use a lathe to drill/ream a 1/8" or 3/16" piece of brass rod for an extension. When I did it the thing was so long and spindly that I made a little locating sleeve/guide that I could just jam in the corner to get the drill started. You could probably use a punch and hammer too. I see nothing wrong with drilling from the back side since I put in an additional guide-rod hole for cleaning, what's one more hole?

FWIW I also used two vices to put the receiver on a compound angle to maximise the reach from the tenon hole:

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will be making it from barstock. My dilema is I have access to some high quality milling equiptment and software. I am severally lacking in the lathe department. May have to stick with a prechambered barrel and factory tenon.

For the extractor cuts i would experiment with scrap first but I bet if you dykem the tenon and then close the bolt with the extractors installed. Then just cut the scribe marks. </div></div>

If you have a HMC (horizontal milling center) you coooouuuullllddddd fit the barrel up that way if your a bad ass.

just make/buy a mandrel that slips into the bore a few inches (think long gauge pin), indicate along its length to square it up in all the orientations, thread mill your barrel, and then chamber. Chambering a 22 is super easy. Half the time I don't even do it in a lathe. A few spins with a reamer and your done. The modified Anschutz/Wylde chamber works well as its tight up in the throat to help accuracy, but loose enough so that cases will cycle well along the case body.

If I had a HMC mill I'd totally try that method.

Extractor cuts are easy too. Center is center. Find the center of your bore and just get a key cutter. Just be sure that you cut ahead of the tangent on the breech face. You want as much wall thickness as you can get where the X cut goes. This prevents the chamber from ballooning at the X cut as you put mileage on the barrel.

Set you H/S at .041". Set the bolt face depth at .038".

If you make the receiver from AL it would be wise to use a large diameter barrel at the breech. You want the shoulder width to spread the load over the face of the receiver. This will help you prevent overclocking the barrel. Put your barrel on/off the action at least a half dozen times before you cut the X. The threads are going to yield a bit. Nothing is more frustrating that cutting the X cut only to discover it overclocks during final assy.

The last "trick" is to make a differential threading insert on your receiver/barrel. It's a fairly well known trick for serious rimfire guys. It allows you to fiddle with barrel clocking. It's literally a magic wand that allows you to clock the barrel in any position while retaining headspace. All you do is thread the receiver for pitch "X" and then make the barrel threads a different pitch. Machine a coupler that has the appropriate male/female thread. By running the insert up/down the inside of the receiver you can change the start position where the barrel tennon threads begin to bite the coupler. This changes the end point of rotation however HS doesn't change because the breech face to shoulder length remains the same regardless.

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Doing this allows you to run a reverse cone breech so that X cuts become a thing of the past. It'll work in any clock position.

I do this quite a bit on rimfire BR guns so that shooters can wring out a barrel and get super small without having to dicker with a tuner.

Works well and is super simple.

Good luck.

C.
 
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There is a template on the internet somwhere, use your google powers.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith Johns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now I remember. Made a dimple with something, I want to say a tiny dremel bit.
Then I ran a long drill bit through the front end of the ejection port. I know its at an angle, and not straight back, but it doesn't matter. Whole class did it that way and they've been doing it that way there for years. Or you can use a really long drill bit through the receiver face.

Like I said, it doesnt have to be perfectly angled rearward... if done with some common sense it'll work and mine has never failed.



Here's what mine ended up being... super-duper tactical 22
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Red dot is sighted in out to 80 yards. And you can hit a soda can at 80 yards every shot off a pack. Scope is for 100-200 yards. </div></div>

What red dot sight is this?
 
The 80% I am building right now used an 8” long 1/8” bit to access the detent location via the barrel hole. Piece of cake! Starting on an 80% takedown version next.