Going to be a caretaker at a property located on Camelback Mountain in Phoenix, Arizona. The owner has had trouble with rabbits as well as coons. Could these animals be removed safely with a small caliber rifle with frangible ammunition? The the house is isolated from other properties by a distance on average of 400-500 meters. Obviously there is some consideration for "know your target and why lies beyond it." The weapon would have to be near silent so as not to cause a disturbance. Is this a job better suited for an air rifle? I need something with excellent accuracy for small varmint at ranges up to 75m or so. Thanks.
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Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
Suppressed .22 LR
Suppressed .22 LR
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You need to check municipal laws regarding hunting in that area. I live near a bunch of farms and ranches, but the law over here states min if 140 acres to discharge a firearm.
If all is good, then an air rifle, or maybe one of those 308/30-06 to 32 acp inserts. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/rifle-chamber-insert.aspx?a=471502
Ive used one in a MN, just watch for squibs. They are darn quiet. Now i wouldn't go dropping one in a GAP rifle, maybe a pawn shop special.
You need to check municipal laws regarding hunting in that area. I live near a bunch of farms and ranches, but the law over here states min if 140 acres to discharge a firearm.
If all is good, then an air rifle, or maybe one of those 308/30-06 to 32 acp inserts. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/rifle-chamber-insert.aspx?a=471502
Ive used one in a MN, just watch for squibs. They are darn quiet. Now i wouldn't go dropping one in a GAP rifle, maybe a pawn shop special.
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The targets and ranges sound like a great excuse to set up a quality air rifle
The targets and ranges sound like a great excuse to set up a quality air rifle
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: g2004</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The targets and ranges sound like a great excuse to set up a quality air rifle </div></div>
Not sure where to even begin with this--suggestions?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: g2004</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The targets and ranges sound like a great excuse to set up a quality air rifle </div></div>
Not sure where to even begin with this--suggestions?
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I'd go with a quality precharged pneumatic, 25 cal, if your going after coons.
I recommend you buy from a quality shop so you can get tune ups/repairs and mods such as barrel shrouds or a high power mod
Take a trip to Airguns of Az in Gilbert, I'm sure you'll find something you like
I'd go with a quality precharged pneumatic, 25 cal, if your going after coons.
I recommend you buy from a quality shop so you can get tune ups/repairs and mods such as barrel shrouds or a high power mod
Take a trip to Airguns of Az in Gilbert, I'm sure you'll find something you like
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
22lr, if allowed.
22lr, if allowed.
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A property on Camelback? An accurate .22 with a quality silencer would fit the bill, although I'll echo Airguns of Arizona as a fantastic place to find a quality airgun if you go that route. In the end, the cost will probably be similar.
A property on Camelback? An accurate .22 with a quality silencer would fit the bill, although I'll echo Airguns of Arizona as a fantastic place to find a quality airgun if you go that route. In the end, the cost will probably be similar.
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Nicer Air rifle will probably work and prevent you from getting into trouble with the law and discharging a firearm within whatever limits are set. However an accurate 22 with a suppressor and subsonic ammo works extrememly well. And like JohnnyC said between the two the cost will be similar but with the air rifle you won't have to wait for the suppressor and you can begin work immediately.
Nicer Air rifle will probably work and prevent you from getting into trouble with the law and discharging a firearm within whatever limits are set. However an accurate 22 with a suppressor and subsonic ammo works extrememly well. And like JohnnyC said between the two the cost will be similar but with the air rifle you won't have to wait for the suppressor and you can begin work immediately.
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With an air rifle on a larger coon, is there any cause for concern regarding less than optimal shot placement and the well being of the animal so to say? The goal here is not to send one of these guys off to suffer for five days before they die because I did not make a clean shot and they scurried away up the mountain.
With an air rifle on a larger coon, is there any cause for concern regarding less than optimal shot placement and the well being of the animal so to say? The goal here is not to send one of these guys off to suffer for five days before they die because I did not make a clean shot and they scurried away up the mountain.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ryodlsl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd go with a quality precharged pneumatic, 25 cal, if your going after coons.
I recommend you buy from a quality shop so you can get tune ups/repairs and mods such as barrel shrouds or a high power mod
Take a trip to Airguns of Az in Gilbert, I'm sure you'll find something you like </div></div>
This. A good PCP in .22 or .25 pushing 25-30fpe+ will take care of anything you mentioned at reasonable ranges. Accuracy out to 50 yards will be on point with top quality .22 rimfires out there, quieter than suppressed rimfires, less chance of ricochets with lead pellets vs bullets, and cheaper to shoot once the initial equipment is bought. If you are anywhere near Airguns of Arizona like mentioned earlier, they are a great shop that will set you up properly with everything you need.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ryodlsl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd go with a quality precharged pneumatic, 25 cal, if your going after coons.
I recommend you buy from a quality shop so you can get tune ups/repairs and mods such as barrel shrouds or a high power mod
Take a trip to Airguns of Az in Gilbert, I'm sure you'll find something you like </div></div>
This. A good PCP in .22 or .25 pushing 25-30fpe+ will take care of anything you mentioned at reasonable ranges. Accuracy out to 50 yards will be on point with top quality .22 rimfires out there, quieter than suppressed rimfires, less chance of ricochets with lead pellets vs bullets, and cheaper to shoot once the initial equipment is bought. If you are anywhere near Airguns of Arizona like mentioned earlier, they are a great shop that will set you up properly with everything you need.
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Bare in mind that an air rifle does not guarantee that you are free from legal complications. For example, in Austin, TX anything that propels a projectile in excess of 200 fps is defined as a firearm by city ordinance.
Bare in mind that an air rifle does not guarantee that you are free from legal complications. For example, in Austin, TX anything that propels a projectile in excess of 200 fps is defined as a firearm by city ordinance.
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
22 short cb caps by cci
22 short cb caps by cci
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If you go the air rifle route check out the benjamin marauder .25 cal. It comes with a shroud and is nice and quite. Pushing JSB .25 kings at 890 ft/second will drop rabbits and coons out to 90 yards with practice.
If you go the air rifle route check out the benjamin marauder .25 cal. It comes with a shroud and is nice and quite. Pushing JSB .25 kings at 890 ft/second will drop rabbits and coons out to 90 yards with practice.
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If you are worried about being able to drop a coon, go 25 cal with airgun and use Predator Polymag pellets. They cause a lot of damage on soft tissue and don't over penetrate, just like a varmint projectile should. I have dropped jacks out to 130 yards but I wouldn't try that distance with a coon. They are a little longer than most pellets and might not feed well out of a magazine but can always be loaded one at a time.
If you are worried about being able to drop a coon, go 25 cal with airgun and use Predator Polymag pellets. They cause a lot of damage on soft tissue and don't over penetrate, just like a varmint projectile should. I have dropped jacks out to 130 yards but I wouldn't try that distance with a coon. They are a little longer than most pellets and might not feed well out of a magazine but can always be loaded one at a time.
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Use one of those havahart traps. Then kill or transport and release. That way you can hunt without even being there.
Use one of those havahart traps. Then kill or transport and release. That way you can hunt without even being there.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ryodlsl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you are worried about being able to drop a coon, go 25 cal with airgun and use Predator Polymag pellets. They cause a lot of damage on soft tissue and don't over penetrate, just like a varmint projectile should. I have dropped jacks out to 130 yards but I wouldn't try that distance with a coon. They are a little longer than most pellets and might not feed well out of a magazine but can always be loaded one at a time. </div></div>
Thanks looking into this.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Use one of those havahart traps. Then kill or transport and release. That way you can hunt without even being there. </div></div>
This has been attempted for some time with very limited success. These animals spend so much time down in the neighborhood that have learned to stay away from most forms of traps. I'm not exactly an animal rights activist but will continue to peruse less than lethal means along with a more aggressive course of action.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ryodlsl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you are worried about being able to drop a coon, go 25 cal with airgun and use Predator Polymag pellets. They cause a lot of damage on soft tissue and don't over penetrate, just like a varmint projectile should. I have dropped jacks out to 130 yards but I wouldn't try that distance with a coon. They are a little longer than most pellets and might not feed well out of a magazine but can always be loaded one at a time. </div></div>
Thanks looking into this.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Use one of those havahart traps. Then kill or transport and release. That way you can hunt without even being there. </div></div>
This has been attempted for some time with very limited success. These animals spend so much time down in the neighborhood that have learned to stay away from most forms of traps. I'm not exactly an animal rights activist but will continue to peruse less than lethal means along with a more aggressive course of action.
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
If you cant go the suppressed .22lr route, I suggest getting a quality PCP air rifle. Look at the benjamin marauder .25cal. Cheapest place I have seen sold at is airguns of arizona. After that head over to talon tunes website and have them spin up some of their 70gr(yes you read that right 70gr) black mamba .25cal pellets for distant work(Have used them on coyotes out to 125 meters with a custom marauder) or some pretador polymags for close up and presonal extermination. If you do go this way you should look about getting a HDD(Hammer.Debouce.Device), airguns of arizona makes one of the best one and it will about double you shot count on a full air of tank. After that look into getting an airtank extention(talon tunes makes a good one) and upgraded valves(Yellowdman on marauderairrifles.com makes some of the best at a very low cost). Then proabily look in to upgrading the shroud and baffle set up. Then again if you want to make them blow up P-dog style look up the "Quigly .72"
. Hope this helps.
If you cant go the suppressed .22lr route, I suggest getting a quality PCP air rifle. Look at the benjamin marauder .25cal. Cheapest place I have seen sold at is airguns of arizona. After that head over to talon tunes website and have them spin up some of their 70gr(yes you read that right 70gr) black mamba .25cal pellets for distant work(Have used them on coyotes out to 125 meters with a custom marauder) or some pretador polymags for close up and presonal extermination. If you do go this way you should look about getting a HDD(Hammer.Debouce.Device), airguns of arizona makes one of the best one and it will about double you shot count on a full air of tank. After that look into getting an airtank extention(talon tunes makes a good one) and upgraded valves(Yellowdman on marauderairrifles.com makes some of the best at a very low cost). Then proabily look in to upgrading the shroud and baffle set up. Then again if you want to make them blow up P-dog style look up the "Quigly .72"
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Sub-sonic .22LR should work just fine. A suppressor really isn't necessary in a rifle barrel. Sub-sonic rounds in a 20" barrel aren't much louder than the bullet impact on a hard target.
Sub-sonic .22LR should work just fine. A suppressor really isn't necessary in a rifle barrel. Sub-sonic rounds in a 20" barrel aren't much louder than the bullet impact on a hard target.
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
If you go this route I would stay away from upgrading the shroud and baffle kit as you can quite easily end up with more problems accuracy wise than it's worth. Instead I recommend a Neil Clague air stripper. Just screw it on and nothing will change. Much quieter and zero chance of clipping with more factory like baffles. The other nice thing about this set up is it's so quiet if you miss many times the quarry just flinches and looks around leaving you another clean shot.
You can go the air tube extension but it does make an already heavy rifle even heavier and if you do the debouncing then you'll get about 40-45 shots in the power curve before having to pump it up.
If you want the most accuracy with this setup I recommend the JSB kings .25cal pellets. It will pay off to weigh them out of the tins and seperate them by the 10th of a gram. zero with one weight and shoot those until you switch to the next weight group and check the zero again. While a couple guys mentioned the polymags they are the minority who are having good luck with long range accuracy using those.
As long as you keep the seals lubed with silicone grease it will work like a clock.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MDStroup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you cant go the suppressed .22lr route, I suggest getting a quality PCP air rifle. Look at the benjamin marauder .25cal. Cheapest place I have seen sold at is airguns of arizona. After that head over to talon tunes website and have them spin up some of their 70gr(yes you read that right 70gr) black mamba .25cal pellets for distant work(Have used them on coyotes out to 125 meters with a custom marauder) or some pretador polymags for close up and presonal extermination. If you do go this way you should look about getting a HDD(Hammer.Debouce.Device), airguns of arizona makes one of the best one and it will about double you shot count on a full air of tank. After that look into getting an airtank extention(talon tunes makes a good one) and upgraded valves(Yellowdman on marauderairrifles.com makes some of the best at a very low cost). Then proabily look in to upgrading the shroud and baffle set up. Then again if you want to make them blow up P-dog style look up the "Quigly .72" . Hope this helps. </div></div>
If you go this route I would stay away from upgrading the shroud and baffle kit as you can quite easily end up with more problems accuracy wise than it's worth. Instead I recommend a Neil Clague air stripper. Just screw it on and nothing will change. Much quieter and zero chance of clipping with more factory like baffles. The other nice thing about this set up is it's so quiet if you miss many times the quarry just flinches and looks around leaving you another clean shot.
You can go the air tube extension but it does make an already heavy rifle even heavier and if you do the debouncing then you'll get about 40-45 shots in the power curve before having to pump it up.
If you want the most accuracy with this setup I recommend the JSB kings .25cal pellets. It will pay off to weigh them out of the tins and seperate them by the 10th of a gram. zero with one weight and shoot those until you switch to the next weight group and check the zero again. While a couple guys mentioned the polymags they are the minority who are having good luck with long range accuracy using those.
As long as you keep the seals lubed with silicone grease it will work like a clock.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MDStroup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you cant go the suppressed .22lr route, I suggest getting a quality PCP air rifle. Look at the benjamin marauder .25cal. Cheapest place I have seen sold at is airguns of arizona. After that head over to talon tunes website and have them spin up some of their 70gr(yes you read that right 70gr) black mamba .25cal pellets for distant work(Have used them on coyotes out to 125 meters with a custom marauder) or some pretador polymags for close up and presonal extermination. If you do go this way you should look about getting a HDD(Hammer.Debouce.Device), airguns of arizona makes one of the best one and it will about double you shot count on a full air of tank. After that look into getting an airtank extention(talon tunes makes a good one) and upgraded valves(Yellowdman on marauderairrifles.com makes some of the best at a very low cost). Then proabily look in to upgrading the shroud and baffle set up. Then again if you want to make them blow up P-dog style look up the "Quigly .72"
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jdr724</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you go this route I would stay away from upgrading the shroud and baffle kit as you can quite easily end up with more problems accuracy wise than it's worth. Instead I recommend a Neil Clague air stripper. Just screw it on and nothing will change. Much quieter and zero chance of clipping with more factory like baffles. The other nice thing about this set up is it's so quiet if you miss many times the quarry just flinches and looks around leaving you another clean shot.
You can go the air tube extension but it does make an already heavy rifle even heavier and if you do the debouncing then you'll get about 40-45 shots in the power curve before having to pump it up.
If you want the most accuracy with this setup I recommend the JSB kings .25cal pellets. It will pay off to weigh them out of the tins and seperate them by the 10th of a gram. zero with one weight and shoot those until you switch to the next weight group and check the zero again. While a couple guys mentioned the polymags they are the minority who are having good luck with long range accuracy using those.
As long as you keep the seals lubed with silicone grease it will work like a clock.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MDStroup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you cant go the suppressed .22lr route, I suggest getting a quality PCP air rifle. Look at the benjamin marauder .25cal. Cheapest place I have seen sold at is airguns of arizona. After that head over to talon tunes website and have them spin up some of their 70gr(yes you read that right 70gr) black mamba .25cal pellets for distant work(Have used them on coyotes out to 125 meters with a custom marauder) or some pretador polymags for close up and presonal extermination. If you do go this way you should look about getting a HDD(Hammer.Debouce.Device), airguns of arizona makes one of the best one and it will about double you shot count on a full air of tank. After that look into getting an airtank extention(talon tunes makes a good one) and upgraded valves(Yellowdman on marauderairrifles.com makes some of the best at a very low cost). Then proabily look in to upgrading the shroud and baffle set up. Then again if you want to make them blow up P-dog style look up the "Quigly .72" . Hope this helps. </div></div> </div></div> When I said to upgrade the shroud and baffle kit, I didnt exactly mean get a longer shroud and more baffles, but I didnt want to possibly confuse him any more than I proibly already did with any of the details in doing any semi-major upgrades if didn't already know alot about PCP's. Also I didnt want to make my post any longer because it was already getting long. Before I would even try a longer shroud I would change out the factory baffles for some of different matierals and design, and porting the shroud. If possible, maybe a wider shroud, and only maybe. Also, thank you for the air stripper recommendation as I was looking into one and the only other one that I knew of were the ones made by TKO22. I didnt say about th JSB's because I haven't been able to find them in stock any where and I didnt want to send him on a wild goose chase and not come up with anything. And your right about the polymags being a short range pellet. That is why I said there for "up close nd personal extermination". But I have found them to be accurate in several guns if you make sure the tip is seated all the way back. One other this is if you go with a PCP, dont forget to De-ping the air tank. You can find many videos on youtube to show you who to do it. But most important thing is what ever you deside to use. Just make sure you are comfortable shooting it in feild postions and are accurate with it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jdr724</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you go this route I would stay away from upgrading the shroud and baffle kit as you can quite easily end up with more problems accuracy wise than it's worth. Instead I recommend a Neil Clague air stripper. Just screw it on and nothing will change. Much quieter and zero chance of clipping with more factory like baffles. The other nice thing about this set up is it's so quiet if you miss many times the quarry just flinches and looks around leaving you another clean shot.
You can go the air tube extension but it does make an already heavy rifle even heavier and if you do the debouncing then you'll get about 40-45 shots in the power curve before having to pump it up.
If you want the most accuracy with this setup I recommend the JSB kings .25cal pellets. It will pay off to weigh them out of the tins and seperate them by the 10th of a gram. zero with one weight and shoot those until you switch to the next weight group and check the zero again. While a couple guys mentioned the polymags they are the minority who are having good luck with long range accuracy using those.
As long as you keep the seals lubed with silicone grease it will work like a clock.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MDStroup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you cant go the suppressed .22lr route, I suggest getting a quality PCP air rifle. Look at the benjamin marauder .25cal. Cheapest place I have seen sold at is airguns of arizona. After that head over to talon tunes website and have them spin up some of their 70gr(yes you read that right 70gr) black mamba .25cal pellets for distant work(Have used them on coyotes out to 125 meters with a custom marauder) or some pretador polymags for close up and presonal extermination. If you do go this way you should look about getting a HDD(Hammer.Debouce.Device), airguns of arizona makes one of the best one and it will about double you shot count on a full air of tank. After that look into getting an airtank extention(talon tunes makes a good one) and upgraded valves(Yellowdman on marauderairrifles.com makes some of the best at a very low cost). Then proabily look in to upgrading the shroud and baffle set up. Then again if you want to make them blow up P-dog style look up the "Quigly .72"
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Just went through the racoon problem at my home. They only come out after dark. You will do much better with a shotgun. But sounds like that is out. Also the noise at nihjt upsets the neoghbors. So I caught 7 racoons with one of those Havahart type traps. Had to do a little tuning to the release mechanism. Had a cheap version. Used a little dogfood just outside and put a trail into the trap all the way past the trip plate. Put a little container with more food near the rear. Caught one almost every time I set it out. Just took trap and contents away in back of truck. A 22 to the head prior to opening the door took care of it. I tried stating up a few nites but quickly decided the trap was the way.
Just went through the racoon problem at my home. They only come out after dark. You will do much better with a shotgun. But sounds like that is out. Also the noise at nihjt upsets the neoghbors. So I caught 7 racoons with one of those Havahart type traps. Had to do a little tuning to the release mechanism. Had a cheap version. Used a little dogfood just outside and put a trail into the trap all the way past the trip plate. Put a little container with more food near the rear. Caught one almost every time I set it out. Just took trap and contents away in back of truck. A 22 to the head prior to opening the door took care of it. I tried stating up a few nites but quickly decided the trap was the way.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Use one of those havahart traps. Then kill or transport and release. That way you can hunt without even being there. </div></div>
You have to be careful with this. Some areas it is illegal to relocate animals. I know in my area only animal control can even trap a coon. My suggestion is to get a dog.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Use one of those havahart traps. Then kill or transport and release. That way you can hunt without even being there. </div></div>
You have to be careful with this. Some areas it is illegal to relocate animals. I know in my area only animal control can even trap a coon. My suggestion is to get a dog.
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Yup. My dog is a coon killer. It's a pretty freaking violent event though. A lot of screaming and fighting and killing and shit going on. He's american bulldog and pit bull cross so it's not like he can't get it done but racoons are tough feisty critters. I keep him from it if I can because it's just not a humane a way for a coon to die IMO.
I have used subsonic 22's and I don't like the ricochet factor especially in a semi-urban area. You don't want to loose track of a speeding bullet there. Not even one. I've had one ricochet towards a neighbors house after a solid head shot on a squirrel. Not good. Once you send one you can't get it back. That was the last time that happened.
I don't like air rifles because you have to spend some coin to get one nice enough to shoot straight and they're still almost as loud as a 22 because they are supersonic if you want killing power.
I like the polymer tipped .17 rimfire cartridges in an environment like that. They kill good and don't ricochet at all, especially the 17 hmr. A little noisy but not too bad for semi urban as long as you aren't firing it all the time.
Yup. My dog is a coon killer. It's a pretty freaking violent event though. A lot of screaming and fighting and killing and shit going on. He's american bulldog and pit bull cross so it's not like he can't get it done but racoons are tough feisty critters. I keep him from it if I can because it's just not a humane a way for a coon to die IMO.
I have used subsonic 22's and I don't like the ricochet factor especially in a semi-urban area. You don't want to loose track of a speeding bullet there. Not even one. I've had one ricochet towards a neighbors house after a solid head shot on a squirrel. Not good. Once you send one you can't get it back. That was the last time that happened.
I don't like air rifles because you have to spend some coin to get one nice enough to shoot straight and they're still almost as loud as a 22 because they are supersonic if you want killing power.
I like the polymer tipped .17 rimfire cartridges in an environment like that. They kill good and don't ricochet at all, especially the 17 hmr. A little noisy but not too bad for semi urban as long as you aren't firing it all the time.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeffersonv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't like air rifles because you have to spend some coin to get one nice enough to shoot straight and they're still almost as loud as a 22 because they are supersonic if you want killing power.
</div></div> Wow. Eveything you said in this sentence is so far from the truth. Some of the reason you probably couldn't shoot straight were, just like rimfires you have to find the right ammo for the gun. And trust me, some air rifles are real picky. And two, you probaoly weren't holding the gun right. With most types of air rifles you need to hold them artillery style. Second, most air rifles sold today come pre-shrouded. And most PCP's allow you to upgrade their shroud and baffle system so they can become mouse fart quiet. Lastly pellets, just like .22lr are best keep sub-sonic because they dont handle the trans-sonic area to well. Also use a pellet designed for hunting not target shooting if you want to hunt.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeffersonv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't like air rifles because you have to spend some coin to get one nice enough to shoot straight and they're still almost as loud as a 22 because they are supersonic if you want killing power.
</div></div> Wow. Eveything you said in this sentence is so far from the truth. Some of the reason you probably couldn't shoot straight were, just like rimfires you have to find the right ammo for the gun. And trust me, some air rifles are real picky. And two, you probaoly weren't holding the gun right. With most types of air rifles you need to hold them artillery style. Second, most air rifles sold today come pre-shrouded. And most PCP's allow you to upgrade their shroud and baffle system so they can become mouse fart quiet. Lastly pellets, just like .22lr are best keep sub-sonic because they dont handle the trans-sonic area to well. Also use a pellet designed for hunting not target shooting if you want to hunt.
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MDStroup</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeffersonv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't like air rifles because you have to spend some coin to get one nice enough to shoot straight and they're still almost as loud as a 22 because they are supersonic if you want killing power.
</div></div> Wow. Eveything you said in this sentence is so far from the truth. Some of the reason you probably couldn't shoot straight were, just like rimfires you have to find the right ammo for the gun. And trust me, some air rifles are real picky. And two, you probaoly weren't holding the gun right. With most types of air rifles you need to hold them artillery style. Second, most air rifles sold today come pre-shrouded. And most PCP's allow you to upgrade their shroud and baffle system so they can become mouse fart quiet. Lastly pellets, just like .22lr are best keep sub-sonic because they dont handle the trans-sonic area to well. Also use a pellet designed for hunting not target shooting if you want to hunt.</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MDStroup</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeffersonv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't like air rifles because you have to spend some coin to get one nice enough to shoot straight and they're still almost as loud as a 22 because they are supersonic if you want killing power.
</div></div> Wow. Eveything you said in this sentence is so far from the truth. Some of the reason you probably couldn't shoot straight were, just like rimfires you have to find the right ammo for the gun. And trust me, some air rifles are real picky. And two, you probaoly weren't holding the gun right. With most types of air rifles you need to hold them artillery style. Second, most air rifles sold today come pre-shrouded. And most PCP's allow you to upgrade their shroud and baffle system so they can become mouse fart quiet. Lastly pellets, just like .22lr are best keep sub-sonic because they dont handle the trans-sonic area to well. Also use a pellet designed for hunting not target shooting if you want to hunt.</div></div>
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Tools for Coons . HavaHeart traps ( Got Them ) & are NOT Efficient & they will only catch the neighborhood Cats & Skunks for the most part . & .22 super-shorts or the .22- 60 grn super sniper Aguila is a joke also, as are Air rifles . I have used them .
I have shot 19 nuisance Racoons this year & all in a urban environment & that is just this year so far . I don't shoot Racoons in the woods because that is where they belong .
.22 LR HP subsonic ammo with suppressor is the only way to go, with gloves & plastic bags in the pocket . Head shots only & be ultra respectful of the backstop . & don't talk about with your neighbors .
Fuck using Air Guns & compressed Air . Why the hell would anyone want a pellet gun ? . Unless you are a child or a felon that can not buy a .22 rimfire rifle .
A .22 LR subsonic Round has '@ least' 60+ ft/lb of energy @ 100 yrd . It is match accurate & the Best, quietest, fastest & most efficient solution .
Raccons are tough and mean for there size . 2 of the Racoons were so big you would play hell just to stuff them in a plastic 5-gal bucket . You going to use a pellet gun/air rifle on them ??? ... LOL
If you can NOT get or can not afford or to Lazy to get a Suppressor for your .22 that is still NO Excuse . A longer barrel .22 rimfire with a Bloop Tube & .22 LR subsonic-match ammo will be Extremely Quiet . Quieter than any Air Rifle I ever owned . .22 Long barrel & Bloop-Tube can be almost as quiet as a Suppressed .22 with subsonic LR ammo .
Living in the Real World where local government does not care about your needs or wants as a homeowner . Where I live you are going to jail whether it be a .22 rimfire or a Air Rifle in & it is illegal to trap & relocate raccoons unless you are state licensed . & where I live they will make you a Felon for getting rid of Raccoons where you live in urban life, if you get caught & charged so I am going to do it the BEST, fastest most efficient way possible while using common sense .
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MDStroup</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeffersonv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't like air rifles because you have to spend some coin to get one nice enough to shoot straight and they're still almost as loud as a 22 because they are supersonic if you want killing power.
</div></div> Wow. Eveything you said in this sentence is so far from the truth. Some of the reason you probably couldn't shoot straight were, just like rimfires you have to find the right ammo for the gun. And trust me, some air rifles are real picky. And two, you probaoly weren't holding the gun right. With most types of air rifles you need to hold them artillery style. Second, most air rifles sold today come pre-shrouded. And most PCP's allow you to upgrade their shroud and baffle system so they can become mouse fart quiet. Lastly pellets, just like .22lr are best keep sub-sonic because they dont handle the trans-sonic area to well. Also use a pellet designed for hunting not target shooting if you want to hunt.</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MDStroup</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeffersonv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't like air rifles because you have to spend some coin to get one nice enough to shoot straight and they're still almost as loud as a 22 because they are supersonic if you want killing power.
</div></div> Wow. Eveything you said in this sentence is so far from the truth. Some of the reason you probably couldn't shoot straight were, just like rimfires you have to find the right ammo for the gun. And trust me, some air rifles are real picky. And two, you probaoly weren't holding the gun right. With most types of air rifles you need to hold them artillery style. Second, most air rifles sold today come pre-shrouded. And most PCP's allow you to upgrade their shroud and baffle system so they can become mouse fart quiet. Lastly pellets, just like .22lr are best keep sub-sonic because they dont handle the trans-sonic area to well. Also use a pellet designed for hunting not target shooting if you want to hunt.</div></div>
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Tools for Coons . HavaHeart traps ( Got Them ) & are NOT Efficient & they will only catch the neighborhood Cats & Skunks for the most part . & .22 super-shorts or the .22- 60 grn super sniper Aguila is a joke also, as are Air rifles . I have used them .
I have shot 19 nuisance Racoons this year & all in a urban environment & that is just this year so far . I don't shoot Racoons in the woods because that is where they belong .
.22 LR HP subsonic ammo with suppressor is the only way to go, with gloves & plastic bags in the pocket . Head shots only & be ultra respectful of the backstop . & don't talk about with your neighbors .
Fuck using Air Guns & compressed Air . Why the hell would anyone want a pellet gun ? . Unless you are a child or a felon that can not buy a .22 rimfire rifle .
A .22 LR subsonic Round has '@ least' 60+ ft/lb of energy @ 100 yrd . It is match accurate & the Best, quietest, fastest & most efficient solution .
Raccons are tough and mean for there size . 2 of the Racoons were so big you would play hell just to stuff them in a plastic 5-gal bucket . You going to use a pellet gun/air rifle on them ??? ... LOL
If you can NOT get or can not afford or to Lazy to get a Suppressor for your .22 that is still NO Excuse . A longer barrel .22 rimfire with a Bloop Tube & .22 LR subsonic-match ammo will be Extremely Quiet . Quieter than any Air Rifle I ever owned . .22 Long barrel & Bloop-Tube can be almost as quiet as a Suppressed .22 with subsonic LR ammo .
Living in the Real World where local government does not care about your needs or wants as a homeowner . Where I live you are going to jail whether it be a .22 rimfire or a Air Rifle in & it is illegal to trap & relocate raccoons unless you are state licensed . & where I live they will make you a Felon for getting rid of Raccoons where you live in urban life, if you get caught & charged so I am going to do it the BEST, fastest most efficient way possible while using common sense .
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Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
Wow you're making a hell of alot of assumptions and you sound pretty angry?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: softcock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Tools for Coons . HavaHeart traps ( Got Them ) & are NOT Efficient & they will only catch the neighborhood Cats & Skunks for the most part . & .22 super-shorts or the .22- 60 grn super sniper Aguila is a joke also, as are Air rifles . I have used them .
I have shot 19 nuisance Racoons this year & all in a urban environment & that is just this year so far . I don't shoot Racoons in the woods because that is where they belong .
.22 LR HP subsonic ammo with suppressor is the only way to go, with gloves & plastic bags in the pocket . Head shots only & be ultra respectful of the backstop . & don't talk about with your neighbors .
Fuck using Air Guns & compressed Air . Why the hell would anyone want a pellet gun ? . Unless you are a child or a felon that can not buy a .22 rimfire rifle .
A .22 LR subsonic Round has '@ least' 60+ ft/lb of energy @ 100 yrd . It is match accurate & the Best, quietest, fastest & most efficient solution .
Raccons are tough and mean for there size . 2 of the Racoons were so big you would play hell just to stuff them in a plastic 5-gal bucket . You going to use a pellet gun/air rifle on them ??? ... LOL
If you can NOT get or can not afford or to Lazy to get a Suppressor for your .22 that is still NO Excuse . A longer barrel .22 rimfire with a Bloop Tube & .22 LR subsonic-match ammo will be Extremely Quiet . Quieter than any Air Rifle I ever owned . .22 Long barrel & Bloop-Tube can be almost as quiet as a Suppressed .22 with subsonic LR ammo .
Living in the Real World where local government does not care about your needs or wants as a homeowner . Where I live you are going to jail whether it be a .22 rimfire or a Air Rifle in & it is illegal to trap & relocate raccoons unless you are state licensed . & where I live they will make you a Felon for getting rid of Raccoons where you live in urban life, if you get caught & charged so I am going to do it the BEST, fastest most efficient way possible while using common sense .
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Wow you're making a hell of alot of assumptions and you sound pretty angry?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: softcock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Tools for Coons . HavaHeart traps ( Got Them ) & are NOT Efficient & they will only catch the neighborhood Cats & Skunks for the most part . & .22 super-shorts or the .22- 60 grn super sniper Aguila is a joke also, as are Air rifles . I have used them .
I have shot 19 nuisance Racoons this year & all in a urban environment & that is just this year so far . I don't shoot Racoons in the woods because that is where they belong .
.22 LR HP subsonic ammo with suppressor is the only way to go, with gloves & plastic bags in the pocket . Head shots only & be ultra respectful of the backstop . & don't talk about with your neighbors .
Fuck using Air Guns & compressed Air . Why the hell would anyone want a pellet gun ? . Unless you are a child or a felon that can not buy a .22 rimfire rifle .
A .22 LR subsonic Round has '@ least' 60+ ft/lb of energy @ 100 yrd . It is match accurate & the Best, quietest, fastest & most efficient solution .
Raccons are tough and mean for there size . 2 of the Racoons were so big you would play hell just to stuff them in a plastic 5-gal bucket . You going to use a pellet gun/air rifle on them ??? ... LOL
If you can NOT get or can not afford or to Lazy to get a Suppressor for your .22 that is still NO Excuse . A longer barrel .22 rimfire with a Bloop Tube & .22 LR subsonic-match ammo will be Extremely Quiet . Quieter than any Air Rifle I ever owned . .22 Long barrel & Bloop-Tube can be almost as quiet as a Suppressed .22 with subsonic LR ammo .
Living in the Real World where local government does not care about your needs or wants as a homeowner . Where I live you are going to jail whether it be a .22 rimfire or a Air Rifle in & it is illegal to trap & relocate raccoons unless you are state licensed . & where I live they will make you a Felon for getting rid of Raccoons where you live in urban life, if you get caught & charged so I am going to do it the BEST, fastest most efficient way possible while using common sense .
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Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vader, Darth</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Going to be a caretaker at a property located on Camelback Mountain in Phoenix, Arizona. The owner has had trouble with rabbits as well as coons. Could these animals be removed safely with a small caliber rifle with frangible ammunition? The the house is isolated from other properties by a distance on average of 400-500 meters. Obviously there is some consideration for "know your target and why lies beyond it." The weapon would have to be near silent so as not to cause a disturbance. Is this a job better suited for an air rifle? I need something with excellent accuracy for small varmint at ranges up to 75m or so. Thanks. </div></div>Personally, I would get my hands on one of the many offerings from Gamo. There are others, but they seem to have many quality and quiet air rifles that would make quick work of critters like that, up to 50 yards.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vader, Darth</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Going to be a caretaker at a property located on Camelback Mountain in Phoenix, Arizona. The owner has had trouble with rabbits as well as coons. Could these animals be removed safely with a small caliber rifle with frangible ammunition? The the house is isolated from other properties by a distance on average of 400-500 meters. Obviously there is some consideration for "know your target and why lies beyond it." The weapon would have to be near silent so as not to cause a disturbance. Is this a job better suited for an air rifle? I need something with excellent accuracy for small varmint at ranges up to 75m or so. Thanks. </div></div>Personally, I would get my hands on one of the many offerings from Gamo. There are others, but they seem to have many quality and quiet air rifles that would make quick work of critters like that, up to 50 yards.
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
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Tools for Coons . HavaHeart traps ( Got Them ) & are NOT Efficient & they will only catch the neighborhood Cats & Skunks for the most part . & .22 super-shorts or the .22- 60 grn super sniper Aguila is a joke also, as are Air rifles . I have used them .
I have shot 19 nuisance Racoons this year & all in a urban environment & that is just this year so far . I don't shoot Racoons in the woods because that is where they belong .
.22 LR HP subsonic ammo with suppressor is the only way to go, with gloves & plastic bags in the pocket . Head shots only & be ultra respectful of the backstop . & don't talk about with your neighbors .
Fuck using Air Guns & compressed Air . Why the hell would anyone want a pellet gun ? . Unless you are a child or a felon that can not buy a .22 rimfire rifle .
A .22 LR subsonic Round has '@ least' 60+ ft/lb of energy @ 100 yrd . It is match accurate & the Best, quietest, fastest & most efficient solution .
Raccons are tough and mean for there size . 2 of the Racoons were so big you would play hell just to stuff them in a plastic 5-gal bucket . You going to use a pellet gun/air rifle on them ??? ... LOL
If you can NOT get or can not afford or to Lazy to get a Suppressor for your .22 that is still NO Excuse . A longer barrel .22 rimfire with a Bloop Tube & .22 LR subsonic-match ammo will be Extremely Quiet . Quieter than any Air Rifle I ever owned . .22 Long barrel & Bloop-Tube can be almost as quiet as a Suppressed .22 with subsonic LR ammo .
Living in the Real World where local government does not care about your needs or wants as a homeowner . Where I live you are going to jail whether it be a .22 rimfire or a Air Rifle in & it is illegal to trap & relocate raccoons unless you are state licensed . & where I live they will make you a Felon for getting rid of Raccoons where you live in urban life, if you get caught & charged so I am going to do it the BEST, fastest most efficient way possible while using common sense .
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Tools for Coons . HavaHeart traps ( Got Them ) & are NOT Efficient & they will only catch the neighborhood Cats & Skunks for the most part . & .22 super-shorts or the .22- 60 grn super sniper Aguila is a joke also, as are Air rifles . I have used them .
I have shot 19 nuisance Racoons this year & all in a urban environment & that is just this year so far . I don't shoot Racoons in the woods because that is where they belong .
.22 LR HP subsonic ammo with suppressor is the only way to go, with gloves & plastic bags in the pocket . Head shots only & be ultra respectful of the backstop . & don't talk about with your neighbors .
Fuck using Air Guns & compressed Air . Why the hell would anyone want a pellet gun ? . Unless you are a child or a felon that can not buy a .22 rimfire rifle .
A .22 LR subsonic Round has '@ least' 60+ ft/lb of energy @ 100 yrd . It is match accurate & the Best, quietest, fastest & most efficient solution .
Raccons are tough and mean for there size . 2 of the Racoons were so big you would play hell just to stuff them in a plastic 5-gal bucket . You going to use a pellet gun/air rifle on them ??? ... LOL
If you can NOT get or can not afford or to Lazy to get a Suppressor for your .22 that is still NO Excuse . A longer barrel .22 rimfire with a Bloop Tube & .22 LR subsonic-match ammo will be Extremely Quiet . Quieter than any Air Rifle I ever owned . .22 Long barrel & Bloop-Tube can be almost as quiet as a Suppressed .22 with subsonic LR ammo .
Living in the Real World where local government does not care about your needs or wants as a homeowner . Where I live you are going to jail whether it be a .22 rimfire or a Air Rifle in & it is illegal to trap & relocate raccoons unless you are state licensed . & where I live they will make you a Felon for getting rid of Raccoons where you live in urban life, if you get caught & charged so I am going to do it the BEST, fastest most efficient way possible while using common sense .
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Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
No anger & I am assuming nothing . A Bolt-action Rimfire rifle & Suppressed using subsonic .22 LR HP match suppressed ammo . Or a long barrel Rimfire .22 with bloop-tube & the same ammo is the best answer . what I say Is the best & quietest & most efficient way to do what the OP in asking in his Post .
Assuming would be guessing . & what I Post along with a few others that say .22 suppressed, is the better suggestion other than Crossbows, Air rifles/pellet guns, Havaheart traps or anything else that other hypothetical solution thrown out there to the OP .
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No anger & I am assuming nothing . A Bolt-action Rimfire rifle & Suppressed using subsonic .22 LR HP match suppressed ammo . Or a long barrel Rimfire .22 with bloop-tube & the same ammo is the best answer . what I say Is the best & quietest & most efficient way to do what the OP in asking in his Post .
Assuming would be guessing . & what I Post along with a few others that say .22 suppressed, is the better suggestion other than Crossbows, Air rifles/pellet guns, Havaheart traps or anything else that other hypothetical solution thrown out there to the OP .
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Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: softcock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No anger & I am assuming nothing . A Bolt-action Rimfire rifle & Suppressed using subsonic .22 LR HP match suppressed ammo . Or a long barrel Rimfire .22 with bloop-tube & the same ammo is the best answer . what I say Is the best & quietest & most efficient way to do what the OP in asking in his Post .
Assuming would be guessing . & what I Post along with a few others that say .22 suppressed, is the better suggestion other than Crossbows, Air rifles/pellet guns, Havaheart traps or anything else that other hypothetical solution thrown out there to the OP .
. </div></div> "near silent" are the key words here my narrow minded friend. We can assume that because he even is asking this question he does not have a .22lr suppressor. That is why the air rifle is the more pratical application here. All that is needed is for him to go the air rifle route is either drive to airguns of arizona(because he is in arizona) or go online. He can have his whole set up that day or within a few days. If he goes the .22lr suppressor route he would be waiting at least 3 months before he even is able to use the suppressor. Let alone the time it would take to get his gun threaded if it already isn't. And the way I read the original question, this job needs to start happening now. Not several months from now. Also if an airgun wasn't an effective way to hunt. why would on all of the airgun forum would there be pictures and videos of guys hunting feral hogs and axis deer with them. Thats not even getting into the big bore air guns(.357, .40, .45, .48, .50,.55,.72cal). And if you dont want to go through al that just to show your self you are wrong. Go into the rimfire section here. then go into the thread named "rimfire and airgun kills". Look at all the kills Emouse and VYD have gotten. Lastly what dafuck is a "bloop-tube". And to the OP and all the people who have read my post in this thread. Sorry for making them so long. (Side note here, I personal think it would be a good challenge to go after them with bow and arrow/crossbows if this didnt take place at night.)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: softcock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No anger & I am assuming nothing . A Bolt-action Rimfire rifle & Suppressed using subsonic .22 LR HP match suppressed ammo . Or a long barrel Rimfire .22 with bloop-tube & the same ammo is the best answer . what I say Is the best & quietest & most efficient way to do what the OP in asking in his Post .
Assuming would be guessing . & what I Post along with a few others that say .22 suppressed, is the better suggestion other than Crossbows, Air rifles/pellet guns, Havaheart traps or anything else that other hypothetical solution thrown out there to the OP .
. </div></div> "near silent" are the key words here my narrow minded friend. We can assume that because he even is asking this question he does not have a .22lr suppressor. That is why the air rifle is the more pratical application here. All that is needed is for him to go the air rifle route is either drive to airguns of arizona(because he is in arizona) or go online. He can have his whole set up that day or within a few days. If he goes the .22lr suppressor route he would be waiting at least 3 months before he even is able to use the suppressor. Let alone the time it would take to get his gun threaded if it already isn't. And the way I read the original question, this job needs to start happening now. Not several months from now. Also if an airgun wasn't an effective way to hunt. why would on all of the airgun forum would there be pictures and videos of guys hunting feral hogs and axis deer with them. Thats not even getting into the big bore air guns(.357, .40, .45, .48, .50,.55,.72cal). And if you dont want to go through al that just to show your self you are wrong. Go into the rimfire section here. then go into the thread named "rimfire and airgun kills". Look at all the kills Emouse and VYD have gotten. Lastly what dafuck is a "bloop-tube". And to the OP and all the people who have read my post in this thread. Sorry for making them so long. (Side note here, I personal think it would be a good challenge to go after them with bow and arrow/crossbows if this didnt take place at night.)
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
Air guns are just a novelty that you want him to buy that he will soon be putting up for sale in For Sale Forum or it just gets stowed away in a closet somewhere in his house .
When he realizes that he has to deal with compressed air fill canisters to fill a air chamber with a regulated air delivery system plus other parts that make for a big novelty pain in the ass pellet gun . No one takes those things seriously and they are not even a real firearm .
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Air guns are just a novelty that you want him to buy that he will soon be putting up for sale in For Sale Forum or it just gets stowed away in a closet somewhere in his house .
When he realizes that he has to deal with compressed air fill canisters to fill a air chamber with a regulated air delivery system plus other parts that make for a big novelty pain in the ass pellet gun . No one takes those things seriously and they are not even a real firearm .
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Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
1 fill using a hand pump and I get 45-46 shots and filling it takes about as long as it would take you to reload 45 shots.
also, many states consider anything which emits a projectile over 750 fps a firearm?
The assumptions I was referring to are as follows:
-anyone who wants an airgun is either a child or a felon
-pellet guns can't kill racoons
-pellet gun owners cannot get, afford or are too lazy to get supressors
-pellet rifles are louder than your setup
Please differentiate between your opinion and facts by providing emperical evidence
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: softcock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Air guns are just a novelty that you want him to buy that he will soon be putting up for sale in For Sale Forum or it just gets stowed away in a closet somewhere in his house .
When he realizes that he has to deal with compressed air fill canisters to fill a air chamber with a regulated air delivery system plus other parts that make for a big novelty pain in the ass pellet gun . No one takes those things seriously and they are not even a real firearm .
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1 fill using a hand pump and I get 45-46 shots and filling it takes about as long as it would take you to reload 45 shots.
also, many states consider anything which emits a projectile over 750 fps a firearm?
The assumptions I was referring to are as follows:
-anyone who wants an airgun is either a child or a felon
-pellet guns can't kill racoons
-pellet gun owners cannot get, afford or are too lazy to get supressors
-pellet rifles are louder than your setup
Please differentiate between your opinion and facts by providing emperical evidence
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: softcock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Air guns are just a novelty that you want him to buy that he will soon be putting up for sale in For Sale Forum or it just gets stowed away in a closet somewhere in his house .
When he realizes that he has to deal with compressed air fill canisters to fill a air chamber with a regulated air delivery system plus other parts that make for a big novelty pain in the ass pellet gun . No one takes those things seriously and they are not even a real firearm .
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Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
I think it sounds as if you have core belief misgivings about shooting in a neighbor-rich environment.
Honestly, I share them.
Very simply, there is no direction I can shoot on my own property that does not have a neighbor's home/property beyond anything I'd be shooting intentionally. In my book, not having a safe backstop violates my own safety principles.
I have gone several routes, some very uncomfortably, usually unsuccessfully (due to self conscious antsyness), dealing with semi-suburban woodchucks on my back lawn.
In the end, they all fell prey to the borrowed live trap. I have yet to find a woodchuck who can resist some Broccoli and Hearts of Romaine (IMHO, the only valid justification for the existance of Broccoli on Planet Terra).
A three minute trip to the village brushpile beyond the populated outskirts and a quick release solved those problems, and eveyone got to walk away intact.
Bottom line, it works.
Greg
I think it sounds as if you have core belief misgivings about shooting in a neighbor-rich environment.
Honestly, I share them.
Very simply, there is no direction I can shoot on my own property that does not have a neighbor's home/property beyond anything I'd be shooting intentionally. In my book, not having a safe backstop violates my own safety principles.
I have gone several routes, some very uncomfortably, usually unsuccessfully (due to self conscious antsyness), dealing with semi-suburban woodchucks on my back lawn.
In the end, they all fell prey to the borrowed live trap. I have yet to find a woodchuck who can resist some Broccoli and Hearts of Romaine (IMHO, the only valid justification for the existance of Broccoli on Planet Terra).
A three minute trip to the village brushpile beyond the populated outskirts and a quick release solved those problems, and eveyone got to walk away intact.
Bottom line, it works.
Greg
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
I say fuck an air rifle too. my suppressed .22 semi auto is just as damn loud.
shoot the fuck out of them. A bullet to the noodle will take care of it.
I say fuck an air rifle too. my suppressed .22 semi auto is just as damn loud.
shoot the fuck out of them. A bullet to the noodle will take care of it.
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
A .22 Rimfire has no accessories Fill tank, (line/regulator) & other tools needed to make an air delivered bullet system function . It is over complicated in comparison to a simpler system of a .22 Round slide into a Rifle Receiver & pull the trigger . Also other spring & cock air systems I just can not even take seriously unless I was a child shooting at tin cans . Why complicate & clutter yourself with a system that is not even in the same league as a simple system, reliable, accurate & superior Rimfire .22 Rifle .
Also I have heard NO air filled rifle or cocking spring rifle that even came close to the the silence of the .22 LR suppressed .
I do not believe that any air delivered bullet Rifle system is quieter than a simple long barrel .22 rifle firing subsonic match .22LR with a simple ( & Legal ) Bloop-Tube on the muzzle .
The few that dabble in the Larger Cal. air rifle systems bigger than a .22 . Those rifle are not even in the same league as a simple & more efficient single-shot bolt-action rifle of a 9mm or a .45 acp that delivers huge ft/lbs of energy @ impact . Can you really take an Air Rifle seriously in comparison ?
No One should waist the time . Just eliminate the the Compressed Air system rifles out of your equation to accomplish what the OP is asking for . They will never even be missed in anyone's life . I would not waist my money on any Air rifle system unless I was a Felon or a Child that could not buy or build a real system of simpler & efficient design . A Real Rifle .
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A .22 Rimfire has no accessories Fill tank, (line/regulator) & other tools needed to make an air delivered bullet system function . It is over complicated in comparison to a simpler system of a .22 Round slide into a Rifle Receiver & pull the trigger . Also other spring & cock air systems I just can not even take seriously unless I was a child shooting at tin cans . Why complicate & clutter yourself with a system that is not even in the same league as a simple system, reliable, accurate & superior Rimfire .22 Rifle .
Also I have heard NO air filled rifle or cocking spring rifle that even came close to the the silence of the .22 LR suppressed .
I do not believe that any air delivered bullet Rifle system is quieter than a simple long barrel .22 rifle firing subsonic match .22LR with a simple ( & Legal ) Bloop-Tube on the muzzle .
The few that dabble in the Larger Cal. air rifle systems bigger than a .22 . Those rifle are not even in the same league as a simple & more efficient single-shot bolt-action rifle of a 9mm or a .45 acp that delivers huge ft/lbs of energy @ impact . Can you really take an Air Rifle seriously in comparison ?
No One should waist the time . Just eliminate the the Compressed Air system rifles out of your equation to accomplish what the OP is asking for . They will never even be missed in anyone's life . I would not waist my money on any Air rifle system unless I was a Felon or a Child that could not buy or build a real system of simpler & efficient design . A Real Rifle .
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Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
All this arguing about which way is best is useless untill the OP comes back and tells us what he already has on hand. Because I can assure you that any way the OP chooses to go he will be buying something, and depending and what he has, some options will cheaper than others. Also why are you bringing 9mm and 45acp bolt actions into this softcock. Those aren't even any where near quiet or anything like the OP asked for. Also the statement about them delivering more ft/lbs of energy on target then a big bore air gun isn't true. Just look it up. I know this extremely off topic, but maybe you will stop being so narrow minded and pigheaded about your way is the only and best way. You live in Oregon, do you not. Do you want to know why you are able to live there today? I will give you a hint. Its because of an air rifle. Not the greatest know fact, but lewis(I am talking about the lewis from the lewis and clark expidition) carried an air rifle rifle with him as they went across america to map the new new land after the Louisiana purchase. This air rifle was an Italin made Girandoni 22 shot .46 caliber air rifle of the type used during the Napoleonic wars used against napoleon by the austrians. This air rifle was the sole reason they never lost a great number of men to indian attacks. When ever they can across a tride of new indians they would put on a demonstration of the air rifes capabilities to the indians. Because the rifle didn't boom and flash like a normal muzzle loader at the time and could fire 22 times before a reload the indian were both fasinated and were fearful of the gun because they though it came from the gods and never knew if there was only one of those air rifles within the crew or several. You can say it was one of the first examples of peace through superior firepower. So now do you take the "only for felons and kids" air rifle seriously. (when useing google to find out the exact spelling ofthe name of the air rifle used I can across this video that illitertes my exact point.) <object width="425" height="350"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/-pqFyKh-rUI"></param> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/-pqFyKh-rUI" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"> </embed></object> Sorry for such a long post again everybody.
All this arguing about which way is best is useless untill the OP comes back and tells us what he already has on hand. Because I can assure you that any way the OP chooses to go he will be buying something, and depending and what he has, some options will cheaper than others. Also why are you bringing 9mm and 45acp bolt actions into this softcock. Those aren't even any where near quiet or anything like the OP asked for. Also the statement about them delivering more ft/lbs of energy on target then a big bore air gun isn't true. Just look it up. I know this extremely off topic, but maybe you will stop being so narrow minded and pigheaded about your way is the only and best way. You live in Oregon, do you not. Do you want to know why you are able to live there today? I will give you a hint. Its because of an air rifle. Not the greatest know fact, but lewis(I am talking about the lewis from the lewis and clark expidition) carried an air rifle rifle with him as they went across america to map the new new land after the Louisiana purchase. This air rifle was an Italin made Girandoni 22 shot .46 caliber air rifle of the type used during the Napoleonic wars used against napoleon by the austrians. This air rifle was the sole reason they never lost a great number of men to indian attacks. When ever they can across a tride of new indians they would put on a demonstration of the air rifes capabilities to the indians. Because the rifle didn't boom and flash like a normal muzzle loader at the time and could fire 22 times before a reload the indian were both fasinated and were fearful of the gun because they though it came from the gods and never knew if there was only one of those air rifles within the crew or several. You can say it was one of the first examples of peace through superior firepower. So now do you take the "only for felons and kids" air rifle seriously. (when useing google to find out the exact spelling ofthe name of the air rifle used I can across this video that illitertes my exact point.) <object width="425" height="350"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/-pqFyKh-rUI"></param> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/-pqFyKh-rUI" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"> </embed></object> Sorry for such a long post again everybody.
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
I just realized something. I think I know why softcock hates air rifles so much. When he was a kid he was a kid he was probably being retared with an air gun and shot himself. So now he can't do this any more....... <object width="425" height="350"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/fuo_DmjQXfc"></param> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/fuo_DmjQXfc" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"> </embed></object> That also would explain his username
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I just realized something. I think I know why softcock hates air rifles so much. When he was a kid he was a kid he was probably being retared with an air gun and shot himself. So now he can't do this any more....... <object width="425" height="350"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/fuo_DmjQXfc"></param> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/fuo_DmjQXfc" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"> </embed></object> That also would explain his username
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: softcock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A history lesson & Youube link ? that's all you got ?
. </div></div> I'm done. I'm not coming back to this thread untill the OP returns. I was trying to offer helpful advice to the OP's problem but it seems you like to shit on anyones opinion that isn't like yours. Also I was told one of the mods here happens to like airguns too. Maybe you can tell him he's a felon and a little kid for liking to shoot something you dont like. Let's see how far that gets you.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: softcock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A history lesson & Youube link ? that's all you got ?
. </div></div> I'm done. I'm not coming back to this thread untill the OP returns. I was trying to offer helpful advice to the OP's problem but it seems you like to shit on anyones opinion that isn't like yours. Also I was told one of the mods here happens to like airguns too. Maybe you can tell him he's a felon and a little kid for liking to shoot something you dont like. Let's see how far that gets you.
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
I'd use a airsoft rifle
I'd use a airsoft rifle
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
Are you joking ?
A strong opinion & experience is not shitting on everyone's opinion . Your upset because I don't agree with you or your recommendations of the Air Rifle over a .22 Rimfire rifle .
Also you giving logic of argument to Frenchmen, American explorers & Indians and history lesson using using Air Rifles as a reason for ..??? . While adding a YouTube video link of masturbation to animation cartoon-porn .
That is not a good reason to use a Air delivery system that shoots a pellet . And that has to have a support system to operate of either manual lever cock-pump . Or a support system of air tank. regulator & hose to operate .
He asks for :
..." animals be removed safely with a small caliber rifle ".
..." The weapon would have to be near silent so as not to cause a disturbance."
Air Rifles are not simpler mechanics that is Easier ( Quieter ) much more efficient, accurate, with ample power & proven every time . To do the job the OP is asking for .
The better answer is :
Use either a Suppressed .22 rifle or Long-barrel .22 Rimfire rifle with bloop-tube .
And ( Nothing Easier & Simpler ) than to just Slide a .22 LR HP subsonic Vel. Round, into the Chamber of Receiver of either .
Close the Bolt .
Aim @ Coon . Pull Trigger . & the problem is solved .
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Are you joking ?
A strong opinion & experience is not shitting on everyone's opinion . Your upset because I don't agree with you or your recommendations of the Air Rifle over a .22 Rimfire rifle .
Also you giving logic of argument to Frenchmen, American explorers & Indians and history lesson using using Air Rifles as a reason for ..??? . While adding a YouTube video link of masturbation to animation cartoon-porn .
That is not a good reason to use a Air delivery system that shoots a pellet . And that has to have a support system to operate of either manual lever cock-pump . Or a support system of air tank. regulator & hose to operate .
He asks for :
..." animals be removed safely with a small caliber rifle ".
..." The weapon would have to be near silent so as not to cause a disturbance."
Air Rifles are not simpler mechanics that is Easier ( Quieter ) much more efficient, accurate, with ample power & proven every time . To do the job the OP is asking for .
The better answer is :
Use either a Suppressed .22 rifle or Long-barrel .22 Rimfire rifle with bloop-tube .
And ( Nothing Easier & Simpler ) than to just Slide a .22 LR HP subsonic Vel. Round, into the Chamber of Receiver of either .
Close the Bolt .
Aim @ Coon . Pull Trigger . & the problem is solved .
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Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
Well, I might get some hate coming my way but I also can't make sense of using an air rifle when you can shoot a rimfire.
For the OP's stated purpose and with frangible bullets I don't think a real rifle could be beat by an air rifle for sound, accuracy, and safety. But that's just based on my experience which is considerable (except for using air rifles, which I ditched pretty quickly).
Now if you are a felon, which I'm not, you may be have to look at air rifles more seriously.
The experience I have with air rifles is not much because I didn't spend the coin for a better one when I could simply chamber a rimfire and shoot REAL straight and quickly kill what I was aiming at. The air rifle I used was loud enough (supersonic) that it didn't have any advantage at all over my rimfire rifles, in fact a subsonic .22 was quieter in my opinion (both were unsuppressed). My air rifle was less accurate, less powerful, and not very quiet. It also just was not very satisfying to shoot. Kind of like a toy I guess?
And someone suggested I may not be able to hold my air rifle still enough to shoot accurately. Really?
I think we might be talking about 2 different standards of accuracy?
If you are eliminating pests over the course of several years in a semi-urban area and have an air rifle and a rimfire to choose from I am confident you would come to the same conclusion I have. But to each his own!
Well, I might get some hate coming my way but I also can't make sense of using an air rifle when you can shoot a rimfire.
For the OP's stated purpose and with frangible bullets I don't think a real rifle could be beat by an air rifle for sound, accuracy, and safety. But that's just based on my experience which is considerable (except for using air rifles, which I ditched pretty quickly).
Now if you are a felon, which I'm not, you may be have to look at air rifles more seriously.
The experience I have with air rifles is not much because I didn't spend the coin for a better one when I could simply chamber a rimfire and shoot REAL straight and quickly kill what I was aiming at. The air rifle I used was loud enough (supersonic) that it didn't have any advantage at all over my rimfire rifles, in fact a subsonic .22 was quieter in my opinion (both were unsuppressed). My air rifle was less accurate, less powerful, and not very quiet. It also just was not very satisfying to shoot. Kind of like a toy I guess?
And someone suggested I may not be able to hold my air rifle still enough to shoot accurately. Really?
I think we might be talking about 2 different standards of accuracy?
If you are eliminating pests over the course of several years in a semi-urban area and have an air rifle and a rimfire to choose from I am confident you would come to the same conclusion I have. But to each his own!
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hlee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.....in Austin, TX anything that propels a projectile in excess of 200 fps is defined as a firearm by city ordinance. </div></div>
no airsoft places there????
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hlee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.....in Austin, TX anything that propels a projectile in excess of 200 fps is defined as a firearm by city ordinance. </div></div>
no airsoft places there????
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
If you use a firearm, it will be treated as such but if you use an airgun you may get away with falling into the firearm category. Cops and neighbors alike have a tendency to dislike people shooting firearms. Even if it's a high powere airgun, most will say "it's just a pellet gun" and move on.
The great thing about an airgun is you can suppress it without the need for any paperwork from the ATF.
I'd suggest a .22 or .25 cal suppressed airgun...PCP pre-charged pneumatic but you can get a gas piston too...much better than a spring piston (quieter, less vibrations and adjustable power)
rabbit, coyote, cats, coons, all can be taken at the same range as you'd take them out with a .22. The only down side is getting an expensive compressor for your air tank. You can get that hand pump but it's a pain.
here are some big bore airguns
http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/
http://www.southernairgunconversion.com/southernairguns_010.htm
If you use a firearm, it will be treated as such but if you use an airgun you may get away with falling into the firearm category. Cops and neighbors alike have a tendency to dislike people shooting firearms. Even if it's a high powere airgun, most will say "it's just a pellet gun" and move on.
The great thing about an airgun is you can suppress it without the need for any paperwork from the ATF.
I'd suggest a .22 or .25 cal suppressed airgun...PCP pre-charged pneumatic but you can get a gas piston too...much better than a spring piston (quieter, less vibrations and adjustable power)
rabbit, coyote, cats, coons, all can be taken at the same range as you'd take them out with a .22. The only down side is getting an expensive compressor for your air tank. You can get that hand pump but it's a pain.
here are some big bore airguns
http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/
http://www.southernairgunconversion.com/southernairguns_010.htm
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
I agree with the above. Why use a .22 "firearm" when you can get the same results with a high power suppressed air rifle?
Here is what you need
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=317411793
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your preferred scope
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condor shroud (silencer)
http://talontunes.com
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optionally for night use
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=318756049
I agree with the above. Why use a .22 "firearm" when you can get the same results with a high power suppressed air rifle?
Here is what you need
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=317411793
+
your preferred scope
+
condor shroud (silencer)
http://talontunes.com
+
optionally for night use
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=318756049
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
Now I know where not to ask about pcp's. I have a Daystate Airwolf that will easily compete with a pb any day. I've taken sparrows, squirrels, out to 100m clean using .25 JSB Kings pushing 50ft lbs with over 70 shots before another fill.
Right tool for the right job is all it is...
Now I know where not to ask about pcp's. I have a Daystate Airwolf that will easily compete with a pb any day. I've taken sparrows, squirrels, out to 100m clean using .25 JSB Kings pushing 50ft lbs with over 70 shots before another fill.
Right tool for the right job is all it is...
Re: Tool for varmit hunting in semi-urban aera.
Just for the record I'm not saying you need a Daystate because the Benjiman Marauder is a beast. I had it for a while so I know first hand.
Just for the record I'm not saying you need a Daystate because the Benjiman Marauder is a beast. I had it for a while so I know first hand.
