What to go with...Rem/Savage?

[Djstorm100]

Finally got the fire lit under my butt to finally build a precision rifle. What really started all these was the special dicks is having on the varmint edition for 350.

Just for matter sake I went and called the LGS they had a savage Persicion carbine for 710. Twice what the remington is.

I plan on getting better rings, rail,glass,stock,trigger.

My question is, is the remington 350 junk or should I go with another model/brand?

Should I look in to 1:10 twist, do I HAVE to have it? Want to build a gun I can shoot out to 800 yards, maybe a 1000 if I do my part.

 

[BoilerUP]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

I'm a Savage guy, but the 700 ADL Varmint offered at Dick's should be a fine base rifle to get started with, especially for $350 after rebate. Its a great value, even with the cost of a new stock & bottom metal...especially if you aren't in a hurry to rebarrel.

A 1:12 twist 308 should shoot 175gr just fine, but 1:10 is 'better', especially if you want to try heavies like 208s.

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

the dicks's special

.223 1:12
.22-250 1:14
.243 1:9 1/8
.308 1:12

i believe savage .308 is 1:10

if it wasn't for the dick's special (geez that sounds funny), i'd go with (and have) the savage.

plus the savage is easier to work on, mostly every upgrade can be done in your garage with a little knowledge and a few simple low dollar tools. long live the barrel nut!

like boiler said, the 1:10 twist is better for the heavier bullets at distance.

either of the 2 would be a fine choice, but again with the dick's special the 700 would probably be the one right now from a cost perspective.

i'm picking up at least 5 of them for "builds".

with the popularity and "new found" advantages of the .243, perhaps you should take a peek at what that caliber offers.

 

[346ci]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

The remy is cheap for a reason, go with the Savage.

 

[hahco]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

Let's put cost aside for a second. Do you want a 26" barrel or a 20" barrel? If you get the remington, do you mind immediately having to replace the stock and the trigger? If you get the Savage, are you ok with the accustock and the accutrigger?

I've got both a 26" barrel remmy and a 20" Savage PC, they are two very different guns. Figure out what you really want, what you can afford within your means, and spend the money on it. Don't buy something just because it's cheap. Been there, done that.

IMHO.

 

[PRScustom]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

My Savage was awesome right out of the box, whereas my buddies remmy took some work (then he bought a savage)

 

[z71rat]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

I have owned numberous rifles from different manufacturers. I now shoot all Savage, with the expection of a Ruger 10/22. The Ruger will be sold in favor of yet another Savage.

I won't be spending money on anything other than Savage.

DK

 

[Ring]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

rebarrel the rem your self like a savage..
http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?344-Remington-Pre-Fit-Rem-Age-Barrels

 

[Ring]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">rebarrel the rem your self like a savage..
http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?344-Remington-Pre-Fit-Rem-Age-Barrels
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just got off the phone, ordered the CBI hand lapped with a 260 match chamber
1n8
24" + factory threaded
varmit contour
heavy pined lug, bbl nut
rem action wrench

for less then 430 shipped..

i ordered a PTG bolt

the action will be trued, - thread cutting "cant recut the threads if using a rem/age bbl..." for 75$

3 to 4 month wait

but its winter, so i dont care..

this is it now..

 

[HillBilly_Sniper]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

IMO id go remmy there alot of aftermarkets for it and the 700 action is a great start to a cuatom build then again all my custom rifles are on a rem 700....

 

[jwp6114]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The remy is cheap for a reason, go with the Savage.</div></div>

Haters gona hate...

I would agree that a savage shoots better right out of the box, but the Remington is the 870 or mossberg 6500 of the precision rifle world. More aftermarket choices than you can shake a stick at.

I have never owned a savage but love both of my remingtons.

 

[Tpb10505]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

I'm a Savage guy myself. My Savage 12 Palma shoots better than I can, and I don't think you could go wrong with any of their rifles. But that being said, my opinion is biased, both are good rifles.

You can save yourself some trouble and get a Savage FCP w/ either a McMillan or HS Precision stock and bed it yourself. The Accutrigger is phenomenal, and that just leaves you getting a good base (Ken Farrell), rings and optics.

 

[346ci]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWP6114</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The remy is cheap for a reason, go with the Savage.</div></div>

Haters gona hate...

I would agree that a savage shoots better right out of the box, but the Remington is the 870 or mossberg 6500 of the precision rifle world. More aftermarket choices than you can shake a stick at.

I have never owned a savage but love both of my remingtons. </div></div>

No hate, just my thoughts as remy has went down the crapper in the last several years. They are living off the name now. That is coming from a "used to be" die hard 700 guy also. Out of the box will go to Savage any day of the week, twice on Sunday. Either one can be built to out shoot the other but then you really don't have a Savage or remy rifle...

And to correct you, the Savage is the AR15 of the bolt gun world.

 

[fdkay]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

Just had to start yet another rem vs sav pissing match didn't you?

A simple search would have yielded about 9000 different threads on the same damn subject.

You are going to get the same results as all the other threads concerning the very same subject.

I will give you the most objective advice that I can, having owned both and shot numerous versions owned by other folks.

Out of the box, the Savage 10PC is superior to the ADL varmint.

The accuracy potential of the stock barrels/actions is virtually identical.
The accustock is a very decent stock and is far better than the plastic stock on the ADL, the 10PC has a very good DBM, the ADL has a blind magazine.

That being said, the bolt lift on a savage sucks, the action has a tinny, cheap sound to it.

I used a 10PC in a basic sniper course, almost failed my final qual, as the action warmed up, POI shifted down and to the right about 1.5 inches.

Once it was done migrating, it would stay put till the action cooled and shoot very well.

I also have a model 12, it was originally a .243 in the cheap stock. I upgraded the stock, twice, ending up with the B&C varmint/tactical. The original barrel was a pretty good shooter, coppered up like you would not believe. Swapped the barrel out for a lothar-walther .308. Shoots very well.

I have since moved on to a Rem 5R mil-spec. I have not seen an out of the box savage that will shoot better than it.

What you will have to consider is that you apparently are already considering a new stock.

Rem ADL from dicks:
350
BDL conversion kit 142 (brownells)
B&C M40 or light tactical stock 230

You are with 10 to 15 dollars of the 10 PC, with a far superior stock, better action and more flexible system to build off of (yes, I know all about doing the barrel swaps, been there done that).
With the Dick's special, you will also get a scope, admittedly not a good one, but enough to get you shooting.

Now, if you decided to go with a more versatile caliber, say .260 or 6.5CM, then there is only one answer, Savage.

Either one will serve you well, I prefer a bit more meat to my rifle, a full day of shooting the 10PC prone will quickly convince you that light weight isn't all it is cracked up to be.

Besides, the extra 6" of barrel will give you more velocity, with the .308, every little bit helps. Yes, I know, they reach 1000 yards with 18" barrels.

 

[devildogandboy]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

i own both, and i believe they shoot equally well but i prefer the Savage over Remington because it's easier to make changes to and there's more aftermarket parts for it.
Buds' has the Savage model 11 in various models for around $350 with free shipping, i find this to be an exceptional deal for me since it saves me money on tax.
don't know if you are looking for long action or short action, don't believe you said.
Buds' has long actions as well with good discounts and free shipping.

 

[lopann]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

Just search armslist for a used 700. You can find alot of well made older actions for under 400 for the entire rifle (atleast in oregon).

 

[JAAM12]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

I have both Rem and Sav. Like them both. They both have some issues, but are very good shooters. I had fun getting all the parts for my stevens build (308 & 260) and there are so many upgrades for the remington as well. Get what you like. Why not get one of each.

Regards

 

[220 Swift AI]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

Savages and Rems are like women.

Savages are like fat girls. Fun to ride until your buddies catch you.


Rems are more like home comming queen dress her up and stroke her right she will be the envey of everyone.

 

[BoilerUP]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 220SWIFT AI</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Savages and Rems are like women.

Savages are like fat girls. Fun to ride until your buddies catch you.

Rems are more like home comming queen dress her up and stroke her right she will be the envey of everyone. </div></div>

This is an apt comparison...

One just works as is, while the other requires a ton of money before it'll put out...

 

[turbo54]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

OP needs to assess what he's looking to do, and what he wants out of a "precision rifle".

If he wants to stick a decent scope on a heavy barrel rifle and shoot some groups at the range, the $350 Remmy is going to do him well. Those rifles are almost ALWYAS sub moa, and often times considerably better. The special Dick rifle will get him out shooting very cost-effectively.

If he wants a somewhat match-competitive rifle ASAP, without reworking and tuning anything up, the Savage is a better choice.

If he wants to get out there and start shooting, and build the rifle up later, then either will do great, with the slight advantage going to the Remington, as we all know there is a stronger aftermarket for them.

Personally (and I don't mean to be a snob), I don't have any use for a special dick rifle, with the exception of POSSIBLY the 223 as a plinker.

 

[mexicanmatch]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

Out of the box Savage is my choice, Accessories are not as many as the Remington but they are catching up. You can do most of the work yourself. MM

 

[Onoko]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

Personally I like the Remington action more then the Savage. To me it feels a bit smoother. The Savage 10 PC's bolt sometimes sticks during rapid bolt manipulation and a don't get the next round in. Not a big deal just have to make sure to wiggle a little and make sure the bolt comes all the way back. I also don't like the accutrigger, it's nice and light but again with rapid bolt movement it decocks the rifle sometimes. Although these little things bother me, I still feel that the Savage 10 PC is still a great rifle but I would rather have a Remington action. Its personal preference, choose the action you want and build it the way you like it. Unless, you want a straight out of the box shooter. If so go Savage 10 PC its a great rifle out of the box.

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 220SWIFT AI</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Savages and Rems are like women.

Savages are like fat girls. Fun to ride until your buddies catch you.

Rems are more like home comming queen dress her up and stroke her right she will be the envey of everyone.
</div></div>

that is probably the best answer EVER to the REM VS. SAV question, mostly because it is true!

 

[chakup]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

I've decided for me it's; If I want to tinker and build Savage. If I decide on sending a gun out to a smith for work, Remington. They both shine different ways in different lights. Savage has almost zero trigger aftermarket, most other things are about equal though may take more work to find (stocks, etc). The bolt work on a Rem is definitely nicer, though I'm workin on fixing that on my Savages.

But since we're throwing out numbers- I picked up my 110 action at a pawn shop for ~200, sold barrel for $50 and stock for $20. Picked up- Shilen with some other parts and goodies from NSS, a take off HS Precision stock with factory AICS metal and am into it for ~800 at this point.
Now if doing a Rem build that's basically your barrel blank and $$ for install with not much left over for anything.

However- if you ever plan on selling it Savages seem to take a major hit, moreso than a comparable Remington.

 

[devildogandboy]

Re: What to go with...Rem/Savage?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 220SWIFT AI</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Savages and Rems are like women.

Savages are like fat girls. Fun to ride until your buddies catch you.

Rems are more like home comming queen dress her up and stroke her right she will be the envey of everyone. </div></div>

This is an apt comparison...

One just works as is, while the other requires a ton of money before it'll put out...

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i thought this is funny LOL!!! so true, so true!