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Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
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Yea that's great. Just what I want to have happen when out with the family shopping for gifts... One dude being a dick and another dick pulling a gun.
After a couple of people got trampled to death over this Black Friday nonsense, I just stay home and do all my shopping online. No toaster or TV is worth getting into a fist fight or getting shot over.
Yea that's great. Just what I want to have happen when out with the family shopping for gifts... One dude being a dick and another dick pulling a gun.
After a couple of people got trampled to death over this Black Friday nonsense, I just stay home and do all my shopping online. No toaster or TV is worth getting into a fist fight or getting shot over.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea that's great. Just what I want to have happen when out with the family shopping for gifts... One dude being a dick and another dick pulling a gun.
After a couple of people got trampled to death over this Black Friday nonsense, I just stay home and do all my shopping online. No toaster or TV is worth getting into a fist fight or getting shot over. </div></div>
...And you get a better deal on line. Just found a Samsung 51" plasma TV for $477.00 and free delivery. Fuck the crowds. Made the mistake of going to town the other evening...traffic in every direction as far as you could see. ..I turned and ran home,... may not go out again til Jan 3rd.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea that's great. Just what I want to have happen when out with the family shopping for gifts... One dude being a dick and another dick pulling a gun.
After a couple of people got trampled to death over this Black Friday nonsense, I just stay home and do all my shopping online. No toaster or TV is worth getting into a fist fight or getting shot over. </div></div>
...And you get a better deal on line. Just found a Samsung 51" plasma TV for $477.00 and free delivery. Fuck the crowds. Made the mistake of going to town the other evening...traffic in every direction as far as you could see. ..I turned and ran home,... may not go out again til Jan 3rd.
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I schlepped doors and hardware all day, knocking out a bunch of complicated tasks best left for when there aren't a bunch of people in the way: The door guy is always in the way...
If there was anything I wasn't unhappy about missing it was the mobs of imbeciles and saps who storm retailers, (some of whom camped out in front of the stores for over a week!) and act like total assholes largely in order to buy crap they don't need with money they don't have.
It was downright peaceful on the site today as there were only two other contractors on the floor! I actually was able to get a shitload of work done!
Happy Thanksgiving!
I schlepped doors and hardware all day, knocking out a bunch of complicated tasks best left for when there aren't a bunch of people in the way: The door guy is always in the way...
If there was anything I wasn't unhappy about missing it was the mobs of imbeciles and saps who storm retailers, (some of whom camped out in front of the stores for over a week!) and act like total assholes largely in order to buy crap they don't need with money they don't have.
It was downright peaceful on the site today as there were only two other contractors on the floor! I actually was able to get a shitload of work done!
Happy Thanksgiving!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea that's great. Just what I want to have happen when out with the family shopping for gifts... One dude being a dick and another dick pulling a gun.
After a couple of people got trampled to death over this Black Friday nonsense, I just stay home and do all my shopping online. No toaster or TV is worth getting into a fist fight or getting shot over. </div></div>
I guess if your idea of living is hiding out and never going outside the house that's OK by me. Give you more time to polish those guns you probably never shoot.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea that's great. Just what I want to have happen when out with the family shopping for gifts... One dude being a dick and another dick pulling a gun.
After a couple of people got trampled to death over this Black Friday nonsense, I just stay home and do all my shopping online. No toaster or TV is worth getting into a fist fight or getting shot over. </div></div>
I guess if your idea of living is hiding out and never going outside the house that's OK by me. Give you more time to polish those guns you probably never shoot.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea that's great. Just what I want to have happen when out with the family shopping for gifts... One dude being a dick and another dick pulling a gun.
After a couple of people got trampled to death over this Black Friday nonsense, I just stay home and do all my shopping online. No toaster or TV is worth getting into a fist fight or getting shot over. </div></div>
I guess if your idea of living is hiding out and never going outside the house that's OK by me. Give you more time to polish those guns you probably never shoot. </div></div>
Never said I'm about hiding and not coming out of the house. It's just that the whole notion of waking up at 3 in the morning, waiting outside, in the cold in order to be first in line for some stupid shit sounds retarded in and of itself.
Now add traffic, the high cost of fuel, fighting for parking, worrying about getting trampled to death and dicks that want to punch you in the face for a place in line! lol... You can have it Toughguy. Me, I'd rather get the same shit you're getting, for the same price, from the comfort of my Lazy Boy with a brew by my side. And the craziest thing, it magically shows up at my door a few days later free of charge.
After I click the "confirm order" button I still have plenty of time to polish them guns that I ain't gonna shoot while you're trying to find the register with the shortest line.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea that's great. Just what I want to have happen when out with the family shopping for gifts... One dude being a dick and another dick pulling a gun.
After a couple of people got trampled to death over this Black Friday nonsense, I just stay home and do all my shopping online. No toaster or TV is worth getting into a fist fight or getting shot over. </div></div>
I guess if your idea of living is hiding out and never going outside the house that's OK by me. Give you more time to polish those guns you probably never shoot. </div></div>
Never said I'm about hiding and not coming out of the house. It's just that the whole notion of waking up at 3 in the morning, waiting outside, in the cold in order to be first in line for some stupid shit sounds retarded in and of itself.
Now add traffic, the high cost of fuel, fighting for parking, worrying about getting trampled to death and dicks that want to punch you in the face for a place in line! lol... You can have it Toughguy. Me, I'd rather get the same shit you're getting, for the same price, from the comfort of my Lazy Boy with a brew by my side. And the craziest thing, it magically shows up at my door a few days later free of charge.
After I click the "confirm order" button I still have plenty of time to polish them guns that I ain't gonna shoot while you're trying to find the register with the shortest line.
Click HERE For A Good Time
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It's just that the whole notion of waking up at 3 in the morning, waiting outside, in the cold in order to be first in line for some stupid shit sounds retarded in and of itself. </div></div>
Ya that's retarded but it wasn't what the story was about. You kind of made it sound like you were against CCW.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now add traffic, the high cost of fuel, fighting for parking, worrying about getting trampled to death and dicks that want to punch you in the face for a place in line! lol... You can have it Toughguy.</div></div>
I ain't much on corporate manure and black Friday is all about corporate manure. I just wait for a better day and go get her done. Common sense can prevail.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> And the craziest thing, it magically shows up at my door a few days later free of charge.</div></div>
That free of charge is more corporate manure, you pay for it. But if you want to buy into that so called free shipping crap go for it. One way or the other YOU PAY.
Now could we get back on topic....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It's just that the whole notion of waking up at 3 in the morning, waiting outside, in the cold in order to be first in line for some stupid shit sounds retarded in and of itself. </div></div>
Ya that's retarded but it wasn't what the story was about. You kind of made it sound like you were against CCW.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now add traffic, the high cost of fuel, fighting for parking, worrying about getting trampled to death and dicks that want to punch you in the face for a place in line! lol... You can have it Toughguy.</div></div>
I ain't much on corporate manure and black Friday is all about corporate manure. I just wait for a better day and go get her done. Common sense can prevail.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> And the craziest thing, it magically shows up at my door a few days later free of charge.</div></div>
That free of charge is more corporate manure, you pay for it. But if you want to buy into that so called free shipping crap go for it. One way or the other YOU PAY.
Now could we get back on topic....
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Nope, I'm not against responsible, law abiding people carrying concealed. I am against two jackasses ruining what should be a pleasant shopping experience. One because he is just an overall douche and the other because he seemingly doesn't' have the ability to defend himself without the use of a gun.
Nope, I'm not against responsible, law abiding people carrying concealed. I am against two jackasses ruining what should be a pleasant shopping experience. One because he is just an overall douche and the other because he seemingly doesn't' have the ability to defend himself without the use of a gun.
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Pull a gun without reasonable fear for your live or grievous bodily harm in Minnesota, and you're the one who gets charged with brandishing a firearm, assault, disturbing the peace, etc. I'm all for concealed carry, but not to resolve minor disputes like this.
Pull a gun without reasonable fear for your live or grievous bodily harm in Minnesota, and you're the one who gets charged with brandishing a firearm, assault, disturbing the peace, etc. I'm all for concealed carry, but not to resolve minor disputes like this.
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Getting your ass stomped by some dipshit seems like you would be in fear of your life and justify pulling your gun to protect yourself. And to many of us are to quick to pass judgement on an incident without knowing all the facts.
Getting your ass stomped by some dipshit seems like you would be in fear of your life and justify pulling your gun to protect yourself. And to many of us are to quick to pass judgement on an incident without knowing all the facts.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: schultz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Getting your ass stomped by some dipshit seems like you would be in fear of your life and justify pulling your gun to protect yourself. And to many of us are to quick to pass judgement on an incident without knowing all the facts. </div></div>
So what did people do before the proliferation of firearms and concealed carry permits? Did they actually have to learn how to hit someone back. With a balled fist? It can't be!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: schultz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Getting your ass stomped by some dipshit seems like you would be in fear of your life and justify pulling your gun to protect yourself. And to many of us are to quick to pass judgement on an incident without knowing all the facts. </div></div>
So what did people do before the proliferation of firearms and concealed carry permits? Did they actually have to learn how to hit someone back. With a balled fist? It can't be!
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Slap, what are you saying?! "the proliferation of firearms..."
I'll tell you what they do, they tool up and knife eachother or glass eachother in the face. That or they get a bunch of their mates to wait for you outside and stomp you into a coma.
It's called the UK.
Back to your point, you'd rather the best slugger be the one who is deemed right? Some douchbag punches your wife in the face in a shop and you'd rather she got in a fist fight with him than have a gun to defend herself?
Tell you what mate, next time you're on the beat, leave your firearm at home. Apprehend criminals with just your charm and wit. You're man enough right?
Slap, what are you saying?! "the proliferation of firearms..."
I'll tell you what they do, they tool up and knife eachother or glass eachother in the face. That or they get a bunch of their mates to wait for you outside and stomp you into a coma.
It's called the UK.
Back to your point, you'd rather the best slugger be the one who is deemed right? Some douchbag punches your wife in the face in a shop and you'd rather she got in a fist fight with him than have a gun to defend herself?
Tell you what mate, next time you're on the beat, leave your firearm at home. Apprehend criminals with just your charm and wit. You're man enough right?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Slap, what are you saying?! "the proliferation of firearms..."
I'll tell you what they do, they tool up and knife eachother or glass eachother in the face. That or they get a bunch of their mates to wait for you outside and stomp you into a coma.
It's called the UK.
Back to your point, you'd rather the best slugger be the one who is deemed right? Some douchbag punches your wife in the face in a shop and you'd rather she got in a fist fight with him than have a gun to defend herself?
Tell you what mate, next time you're on the beat, leave your firearm at home. Apprehend criminals with just your charm and wit. You're man enough right? </div></div>
You think we pull our guns every time someone uses unarmed physical resistance on us? You're delusional. Don't twist my words either. This was an article about two men. One punched the other in the face which in turn caused the other one to menace him with his firearm. No one was getting stomped to death, there was no knife involved, no female getting raped etc etc.
Seems to me like some of ya'll either don't know how to fight and get a sense of empowerment from having a gun strapped to your waist. Me, I've been getting paid to carry guns since I was 18, they don't make me and I don't see the need to pull them over minor disputes.
Learn how to throw a counter punch and quit being so skittish.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Slap, what are you saying?! "the proliferation of firearms..."
I'll tell you what they do, they tool up and knife eachother or glass eachother in the face. That or they get a bunch of their mates to wait for you outside and stomp you into a coma.
It's called the UK.
Back to your point, you'd rather the best slugger be the one who is deemed right? Some douchbag punches your wife in the face in a shop and you'd rather she got in a fist fight with him than have a gun to defend herself?
Tell you what mate, next time you're on the beat, leave your firearm at home. Apprehend criminals with just your charm and wit. You're man enough right? </div></div>
You think we pull our guns every time someone uses unarmed physical resistance on us? You're delusional. Don't twist my words either. This was an article about two men. One punched the other in the face which in turn caused the other one to menace him with his firearm. No one was getting stomped to death, there was no knife involved, no female getting raped etc etc.
Seems to me like some of ya'll either don't know how to fight and get a sense of empowerment from having a gun strapped to your waist. Me, I've been getting paid to carry guns since I was 18, they don't make me and I don't see the need to pull them over minor disputes.
Learn how to throw a counter punch and quit being so skittish.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Slap, what are you saying?! "the proliferation of firearms..."
I'll tell you what they do, they tool up and knife eachother or glass eachother in the face. That or they get a bunch of their mates to wait for you outside and stomp you into a coma.
It's called the UK.
Back to your point, you'd rather the best slugger be the one who is deemed right? Some douchbag punches your wife in the face in a shop and you'd rather she got in a fist fight with him than have a gun to defend herself?
Tell you what mate, next time you're on the beat, leave your firearm at home. Apprehend criminals with just your charm and wit. You're man enough right? </div></div>
You think we pull our guns every time someone uses unarmed physical resistance on us? You're delusional. Don't twist my words either. This was an article about two men. One punched the other in the face which in turn caused the other one to menace him with his firearm. No one was getting stomped to death, there was no knife involved, no female getting raped etc etc.
Seems to me like some of ya'll either don't know how to fight and get a sense of empowerment from having a gun strapped to your waist. Me, I've been getting paid to carry guns since I was 18, they don't make me and I don't see the need to pull them over minor disputes.
Learn how to throw a counter punch and quit being so skittish. </div></div>
Hahaha, your a real tough guy ain't ya chop. I made extra money for a lot of years prize fighting and I can tell you from experience there are plenty of people out there you don't want to take a second shot from. It's very possibly this guy believed he was in real trouble if he got hit again.
Maybe the guy's in your part of NY are a little on the feminine side or maybe your just a real deal, iron jaw tough guy, I don't know and don't care. I'm just saying go down to your local gym or MMA dojo, find a decent sized guy and see if you think you can take two shots to the noggin and still protect yourself.
Pulling a piece on a thug that just punched you in the face might not have been unreasonable at all. You don't know, you weren't there and I'm certain the victim of assault is much better of that some judgemental cop without a clue what just went down, wasn't there berating him for legally protecting himself.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Slap, what are you saying?! "the proliferation of firearms..."
I'll tell you what they do, they tool up and knife eachother or glass eachother in the face. That or they get a bunch of their mates to wait for you outside and stomp you into a coma.
It's called the UK.
Back to your point, you'd rather the best slugger be the one who is deemed right? Some douchbag punches your wife in the face in a shop and you'd rather she got in a fist fight with him than have a gun to defend herself?
Tell you what mate, next time you're on the beat, leave your firearm at home. Apprehend criminals with just your charm and wit. You're man enough right? </div></div>
You think we pull our guns every time someone uses unarmed physical resistance on us? You're delusional. Don't twist my words either. This was an article about two men. One punched the other in the face which in turn caused the other one to menace him with his firearm. No one was getting stomped to death, there was no knife involved, no female getting raped etc etc.
Seems to me like some of ya'll either don't know how to fight and get a sense of empowerment from having a gun strapped to your waist. Me, I've been getting paid to carry guns since I was 18, they don't make me and I don't see the need to pull them over minor disputes.
Learn how to throw a counter punch and quit being so skittish. </div></div>
Hahaha, your a real tough guy ain't ya chop. I made extra money for a lot of years prize fighting and I can tell you from experience there are plenty of people out there you don't want to take a second shot from. It's very possibly this guy believed he was in real trouble if he got hit again.
Maybe the guy's in your part of NY are a little on the feminine side or maybe your just a real deal, iron jaw tough guy, I don't know and don't care. I'm just saying go down to your local gym or MMA dojo, find a decent sized guy and see if you think you can take two shots to the noggin and still protect yourself.
Pulling a piece on a thug that just punched you in the face might not have been unreasonable at all. You don't know, you weren't there and I'm certain the victim of assault is much better of that some judgemental cop without a clue what just went down, wasn't there berating him for legally protecting himself.
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Apparently not as tough as you bigsky. I just have a fairly good idea when I need to break leather and when I can handle things another way.
Pulling on gun on people for minor things makes you seem scared and inexperienced in handling things other ways. Just the kind of people you wouldn't want having access to guns.
Apparently not as tough as you bigsky. I just have a fairly good idea when I need to break leather and when I can handle things another way.
Pulling on gun on people for minor things makes you seem scared and inexperienced in handling things other ways. Just the kind of people you wouldn't want having access to guns.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsky23</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hahaha, your a real tough guy ain't ya chop. I made extra money for a lot of years prize fighting and I can tell you from experience there are plenty of people out there you don't want to take a second shot from. It's very possibly this guy believed he was in real trouble if he got hit again.
<span style="color: #FF0000">To sit there and jab at someone for being a "tough guy" then following it up with touting your own accolades makes you look like the kettle dude. And frankly if someone is experienced enough that after the first shot you know you don't want to take a second from experience then that person is already too close to go for your sidearm and you're either defending yourself physically or still dazed from the first shot. With your "experience" you should know that though...</span>
Maybe the guy's in your part of NY are a little on the feminine side or maybe your just a real deal, iron jaw tough guy, I don't know and don't care. I'm just saying go down to your local gym or MMA dojo, find a decent sized guy and see if you think you can take two shots to the noggin and still protect yourself.
<span style="color: #FF0000">Again Mr. MMA are you the pot or kettle? A trained combatant isn't going to give you time to reach for your gun.</span>
Pulling a piece on a thug that just punched you in the face might not have been unreasonable at all. You don't know, you weren't there and I'm certain the victim of assault is much better of that some judgemental cop without a clue what just went down, wasn't there berating him for legally protecting himself.
<span style="color: #FF0000">I can't disagree with that. Slapchop can be an ass. But maybe next time try cutting the whole "tough guy" intro so you don't look like such a hypocrite.</span>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsky23</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hahaha, your a real tough guy ain't ya chop. I made extra money for a lot of years prize fighting and I can tell you from experience there are plenty of people out there you don't want to take a second shot from. It's very possibly this guy believed he was in real trouble if he got hit again.
<span style="color: #FF0000">To sit there and jab at someone for being a "tough guy" then following it up with touting your own accolades makes you look like the kettle dude. And frankly if someone is experienced enough that after the first shot you know you don't want to take a second from experience then that person is already too close to go for your sidearm and you're either defending yourself physically or still dazed from the first shot. With your "experience" you should know that though...</span>
Maybe the guy's in your part of NY are a little on the feminine side or maybe your just a real deal, iron jaw tough guy, I don't know and don't care. I'm just saying go down to your local gym or MMA dojo, find a decent sized guy and see if you think you can take two shots to the noggin and still protect yourself.
<span style="color: #FF0000">Again Mr. MMA are you the pot or kettle? A trained combatant isn't going to give you time to reach for your gun.</span>
Pulling a piece on a thug that just punched you in the face might not have been unreasonable at all. You don't know, you weren't there and I'm certain the victim of assault is much better of that some judgemental cop without a clue what just went down, wasn't there berating him for legally protecting himself.
<span style="color: #FF0000">I can't disagree with that. Slapchop can be an ass. But maybe next time try cutting the whole "tough guy" intro so you don't look like such a hypocrite.</span>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently not as tough as you bigsky. I just have a fairly good idea when I need to break leather and when I can handle things another way.
Pulling on gun on people for minor things makes you seem scared and inexperienced in handling things other ways. Just the kind of people you wouldn't want having access to guns.
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Chop you're Monday Night Quarterbacking and you don't know all the details. The assaulter may have been armed himself and/or with other people etc. I hope you're not that quick to rush to judgement without facts dealing with people you come across at work dude.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently not as tough as you bigsky. I just have a fairly good idea when I need to break leather and when I can handle things another way.
Pulling on gun on people for minor things makes you seem scared and inexperienced in handling things other ways. Just the kind of people you wouldn't want having access to guns.
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Chop you're Monday Night Quarterbacking and you don't know all the details. The assaulter may have been armed himself and/or with other people etc. I hope you're not that quick to rush to judgement without facts dealing with people you come across at work dude.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently not as tough as you bigsky. I just have a fairly good idea when I need to break leather and when I can handle things another way.
Pulling on gun on people for minor things makes you seem scared and inexperienced in handling things other ways. Just the kind of people you wouldn't want having access to guns.
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Chop you're Monday Night Quarterbacking and you don't know all the details. The assaulter may have been armed himself and/or with other people etc. I hope you're not that quick to rush to judgement without facts dealing with people you come across at work dude. </div></div>
What if the perp arming himself with a plasma tv? What if his midget friends were ganging up on the guy? What if he was clubbing him with a 10 inch double sided dildo? What if, What if, What if???
The article is very brief and I'm basing my opinion on what I read in it. You want to start throwing variables knock yourself out.
My opinion that guys are too quick to go to the gun stands.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently not as tough as you bigsky. I just have a fairly good idea when I need to break leather and when I can handle things another way.
Pulling on gun on people for minor things makes you seem scared and inexperienced in handling things other ways. Just the kind of people you wouldn't want having access to guns.
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Chop you're Monday Night Quarterbacking and you don't know all the details. The assaulter may have been armed himself and/or with other people etc. I hope you're not that quick to rush to judgement without facts dealing with people you come across at work dude. </div></div>
What if the perp arming himself with a plasma tv? What if his midget friends were ganging up on the guy? What if he was clubbing him with a 10 inch double sided dildo? What if, What if, What if???
The article is very brief and I'm basing my opinion on what I read in it. You want to start throwing variables knock yourself out.
My opinion that guys are too quick to go to the gun stands.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently not as tough as you bigsky. I just have a fairly good idea when I need to break leather and when I can handle things another way.
Pulling on gun on people for minor things makes you seem scared and inexperienced in handling things other ways. Just the kind of people you wouldn't want having access to guns.
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Chop you're Monday Night Quarterbacking and you don't know all the details. The assaulter may have been armed himself and/or with other people etc. I hope you're not that quick to rush to judgement without facts dealing with people you come across at work dude. </div></div>
What if the perp arming himself with a plasma tv? What if his midget friends were ganging up on the guy? What if he was clubbing him with a 10 inch double sided dildo? What if, What if, What if???
The article is very brief and I'm basing my opinion on what I read in it. You want to start throwing variables knock yourself out.
My opinion that guys are too quick to go to the gun stands. </div></div>
Dude... read what you just wrote. I'm not the one posing "what if's". As you said you're going off what you're reading but from what your reading you know you don't have all the facts necessarily.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently not as tough as you bigsky. I just have a fairly good idea when I need to break leather and when I can handle things another way.
Pulling on gun on people for minor things makes you seem scared and inexperienced in handling things other ways. Just the kind of people you wouldn't want having access to guns.
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Chop you're Monday Night Quarterbacking and you don't know all the details. The assaulter may have been armed himself and/or with other people etc. I hope you're not that quick to rush to judgement without facts dealing with people you come across at work dude. </div></div>
What if the perp arming himself with a plasma tv? What if his midget friends were ganging up on the guy? What if he was clubbing him with a 10 inch double sided dildo? What if, What if, What if???
The article is very brief and I'm basing my opinion on what I read in it. You want to start throwing variables knock yourself out.
My opinion that guys are too quick to go to the gun stands. </div></div>
Dude... read what you just wrote. I'm not the one posing "what if's". As you said you're going off what you're reading but from what your reading you know you don't have all the facts necessarily.
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I find it interesting that this is being referred to as a "minor thing" yet the law enforcement that were on seen chose not to press charges against the CHL holder. Know what the difference between your "minor thing" argument and the call made by law enforcement is?
They have all the facts. You don't.
I find it interesting that this is being referred to as a "minor thing" yet the law enforcement that were on seen chose not to press charges against the CHL holder. Know what the difference between your "minor thing" argument and the call made by law enforcement is?
They have all the facts. You don't.
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Slapchop's line of thinking seems to be that everybody is an able bodied person (that's pee poor thinking for the most part). Many who carry are not. After many surgeries (and other stuff) I know I probably couldn't defend myself worth a crap in a hand to hand situation. That is why my walking stick is in the 45 caliber class. The conclusion after the police got there was that he <span style="font-weight: bold">was justified</span> in pulling his weapon to defend himself.
Slapchop's line of thinking seems to be that everybody is an able bodied person (that's pee poor thinking for the most part). Many who carry are not. After many surgeries (and other stuff) I know I probably couldn't defend myself worth a crap in a hand to hand situation. That is why my walking stick is in the 45 caliber class. The conclusion after the police got there was that he <span style="font-weight: bold">was justified</span> in pulling his weapon to defend himself.
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This guy may have been justified, I wasn't there. But as a general rule, I can't say I agree with pulling a gun in a crowded store over getting "punched in the face" by someone cutting in line. Piss poor judgment aside, this is the exact sort of crap the anti's love to hold as an example of how all ccw's behave.
This incident just doesn't seem to hold up. Why would you be in fear for your life? The guy was trying to get to the front of the line and you got "punched"? Was this a real punch or did he unintentionally hit you in the face trying to muscle past you? Say he actually did punch you, he then stopped trying to move into the store so he could have a street brawl with you? It doesn't seem likely to me. This just sounds like the guy who pulled knew what he needed to say to the police so they wouldn't charge him. Also, just because the cop didn't charge him doesn't make him justified, that cop may have had something better to do and felt it wasn't worth it.
This guy may have been justified, I wasn't there. But as a general rule, I can't say I agree with pulling a gun in a crowded store over getting "punched in the face" by someone cutting in line. Piss poor judgment aside, this is the exact sort of crap the anti's love to hold as an example of how all ccw's behave.
This incident just doesn't seem to hold up. Why would you be in fear for your life? The guy was trying to get to the front of the line and you got "punched"? Was this a real punch or did he unintentionally hit you in the face trying to muscle past you? Say he actually did punch you, he then stopped trying to move into the store so he could have a street brawl with you? It doesn't seem likely to me. This just sounds like the guy who pulled knew what he needed to say to the police so they wouldn't charge him. Also, just because the cop didn't charge him doesn't make him justified, that cop may have had something better to do and felt it wasn't worth it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this is the exact sort of crap the anti's love to hold as an example of how all ccw's behave.</div></div>
I don't really give a shit what the anti's think. When CCW first came into existence they said blood would run in the streets, they were wrong.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would you be in fear for your life? The guy was trying to get to the front of the line and you got "punched"? Was this a real punch or did he unintentionally hit you in the face trying to muscle past you?</div></div>
I see your point, we should psycho analyze everything we say and do before we react in any given situation. All corporations should be required to have a couch and a psycho analyzer dude on site at all times. By the way sense you didn't understand the thread this isn't about me getting punched.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This just sounds like the guy who pulled knew what he needed to say to the police so they wouldn't charge him.</div></div>
Aren't you the smart one. Most of the CCW course in Texas (12 hours) is about the laws pertaining to CCW in Texas (getting the picture now?). So yes he did know what to say. He also knew low ready was the best defensive position to take in this situation (he didn't point the gun at anyone). He didn't point the weapon at anyone cause he didn't see any other weapons. He used it strictly to stop a situation from getting to far out of hand. You people who judge first without understanding the laws are more dangerous to our country than the anti's ever could be.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this is the exact sort of crap the anti's love to hold as an example of how all ccw's behave.</div></div>
I don't really give a shit what the anti's think. When CCW first came into existence they said blood would run in the streets, they were wrong.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would you be in fear for your life? The guy was trying to get to the front of the line and you got "punched"? Was this a real punch or did he unintentionally hit you in the face trying to muscle past you?</div></div>
I see your point, we should psycho analyze everything we say and do before we react in any given situation. All corporations should be required to have a couch and a psycho analyzer dude on site at all times. By the way sense you didn't understand the thread this isn't about me getting punched.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This just sounds like the guy who pulled knew what he needed to say to the police so they wouldn't charge him.</div></div>
Aren't you the smart one. Most of the CCW course in Texas (12 hours) is about the laws pertaining to CCW in Texas (getting the picture now?). So yes he did know what to say. He also knew low ready was the best defensive position to take in this situation (he didn't point the gun at anyone). He didn't point the weapon at anyone cause he didn't see any other weapons. He used it strictly to stop a situation from getting to far out of hand. You people who judge first without understanding the laws are more dangerous to our country than the anti's ever could be.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jr81452</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This guy may have been justified, I wasn't there. But as a general rule, I can't say I agree with pulling a gun in a crowded store over getting "punched in the face" by someone cutting in line. Piss poor judgment aside, this is the exact sort of crap the anti's love to hold as an example of how all ccw's behave.
This incident just doesn't seem to hold up. Why would you be in fear for your life? The guy was trying to get to the front of the line and you got "punched"? Was this a real punch or did he unintentionally hit you in the face trying to muscle past you? Say he actually did punch you, he then stopped trying to move into the store so he could have a street brawl with you? It doesn't seem likely to me. This just sounds like the guy who pulled knew what he needed to say to the police so they wouldn't charge him. Also, just because the cop didn't charge him doesn't make him justified, that cop may have had something better to do and felt it wasn't worth it. </div></div>
Or that charges could wait until the 5 megs of video have been reviewed.
Every situation is different but based on the number of blowhards and slobs I see at ranges and gun counters, there is a real possibility of a "dumbass-with-a-gun" factor that can't be ruled out. Look at these doomsday prepper freaks and the end-of-times loons, not to mention all the zombie horse shit.
Fact is, there are legions of people out there who would never dare to cave in a deserving douche bag's face with a well placed fist, or cut them with the knives most of us carry!
I'll agree with Slap Chop that there is a very neglected need to beat the shit out of assholes; One that should not be ruled out so readily in favor of the handgun. My fist is highly unlikely to penetrate the face of an obnoxious scumbag and hit the child two aisles over.
And if that child an aisle over is hit by a bullet fired by some guy who shot the guy who punched him in the face, I am going to want to punch the fuck out of the guy who shot the child.
If it is my child, there will be return fire.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jr81452</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This guy may have been justified, I wasn't there. But as a general rule, I can't say I agree with pulling a gun in a crowded store over getting "punched in the face" by someone cutting in line. Piss poor judgment aside, this is the exact sort of crap the anti's love to hold as an example of how all ccw's behave.
This incident just doesn't seem to hold up. Why would you be in fear for your life? The guy was trying to get to the front of the line and you got "punched"? Was this a real punch or did he unintentionally hit you in the face trying to muscle past you? Say he actually did punch you, he then stopped trying to move into the store so he could have a street brawl with you? It doesn't seem likely to me. This just sounds like the guy who pulled knew what he needed to say to the police so they wouldn't charge him. Also, just because the cop didn't charge him doesn't make him justified, that cop may have had something better to do and felt it wasn't worth it. </div></div>
Or that charges could wait until the 5 megs of video have been reviewed.
Every situation is different but based on the number of blowhards and slobs I see at ranges and gun counters, there is a real possibility of a "dumbass-with-a-gun" factor that can't be ruled out. Look at these doomsday prepper freaks and the end-of-times loons, not to mention all the zombie horse shit.
Fact is, there are legions of people out there who would never dare to cave in a deserving douche bag's face with a well placed fist, or cut them with the knives most of us carry!
I'll agree with Slap Chop that there is a very neglected need to beat the shit out of assholes; One that should not be ruled out so readily in favor of the handgun. My fist is highly unlikely to penetrate the face of an obnoxious scumbag and hit the child two aisles over.
And if that child an aisle over is hit by a bullet fired by some guy who shot the guy who punched him in the face, I am going to want to punch the fuck out of the guy who shot the child.
If it is my child, there will be return fire.
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End the altercation immediately or continue to stoop to the level of some random piece of shit and tangle with him? That's an easy decision. You know nothing about his medical history, know nothing about his state of mind, have no idea as to whether or not he is armed, and don't know if he'll be the only one you'll have to fight or what he might do if your weapon is discovered in the scuffle. You'd have to be a complete fucking moron to tie up with the piece of shit. I don't want his blood on me and don't have time to get involved in such bullshit. If these fuckers were drawn on more often, they'd quit assaulting people....
End the altercation immediately or continue to stoop to the level of some random piece of shit and tangle with him? That's an easy decision. You know nothing about his medical history, know nothing about his state of mind, have no idea as to whether or not he is armed, and don't know if he'll be the only one you'll have to fight or what he might do if your weapon is discovered in the scuffle. You'd have to be a complete fucking moron to tie up with the piece of shit. I don't want his blood on me and don't have time to get involved in such bullshit. If these fuckers were drawn on more often, they'd quit assaulting people....
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Broker,
You may be right, I may have wrote something that could be taken wrong. Simply put, I meant to imply that I have been hit by people I didn't want to get hit by again.
I never gave my record impying I was a tough guy. For all anyone knows I could be a complete bum that lost every fight (you still get paid whether you win or lose) or even just full of shit, this is the internet you know.
My point was simply a punch can be very serious. I was at a smoker with a guy I knew who didn't meet the criteria to be called a "trained combatant" but in fact had a wicked left hook/uppercut. I saw him lift a guy off his feet with one punch and the guy hit the ground dead. I looked for the article to link so you could check it out but it happened before Al Gore invented the internet.I did PM you a link to the guys facebook page that was still alive after the fight. (Meaningless, I know) but thought you might be interested in seeing him.
I have no idea how hard the guy in the article got hit but my point stands. There are some people you would definately be better off drawing down on then taking a second punch from.
Broker,
You may be right, I may have wrote something that could be taken wrong. Simply put, I meant to imply that I have been hit by people I didn't want to get hit by again.
I never gave my record impying I was a tough guy. For all anyone knows I could be a complete bum that lost every fight (you still get paid whether you win or lose) or even just full of shit, this is the internet you know.
My point was simply a punch can be very serious. I was at a smoker with a guy I knew who didn't meet the criteria to be called a "trained combatant" but in fact had a wicked left hook/uppercut. I saw him lift a guy off his feet with one punch and the guy hit the ground dead. I looked for the article to link so you could check it out but it happened before Al Gore invented the internet.I did PM you a link to the guys facebook page that was still alive after the fight. (Meaningless, I know) but thought you might be interested in seeing him.
I have no idea how hard the guy in the article got hit but my point stands. There are some people you would definately be better off drawing down on then taking a second punch from.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsky23</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Broker,
You may be right, I may have wrote something that could be taken wrong. Simply put, I meant to imply that I have been hit by people I didn't want to get hit by again.
I never gave my record impying I was a tough guy. For all anyone knows I could be a complete bum that lost every fight (you still get paid whether you win or lose) or even just full of shit, this is the internet you know.
My point was simply a punch can be very serious. I was at a smoker with a guy I knew who didn't meet the criteria to be called a "trained combatant" but in fact had a wicked left hook/uppercut. I saw him lift a guy off his feet with one punch and the guy hit the ground dead. I looked for the article to link so you could check it out but it happened before Al Gore invented the internet.I did PM you a link to the guys facebook page that was still alive after the fight. (Meaningless, I know) but thought you might be interested in seeing him.
I have no idea how hard the guy in the article got hit but my point stands. There are some people you would definately be better off drawing down on then taking a second punch from.
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I've taken more than enough hits to completely agree. I'm just saying for most people when you get blasted by someone that's heavy handed you're hardly able to reach for your sidearm. Most people will immediately try to cover-up and recover.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsky23</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Broker,
You may be right, I may have wrote something that could be taken wrong. Simply put, I meant to imply that I have been hit by people I didn't want to get hit by again.
I never gave my record impying I was a tough guy. For all anyone knows I could be a complete bum that lost every fight (you still get paid whether you win or lose) or even just full of shit, this is the internet you know.
My point was simply a punch can be very serious. I was at a smoker with a guy I knew who didn't meet the criteria to be called a "trained combatant" but in fact had a wicked left hook/uppercut. I saw him lift a guy off his feet with one punch and the guy hit the ground dead. I looked for the article to link so you could check it out but it happened before Al Gore invented the internet.I did PM you a link to the guys facebook page that was still alive after the fight. (Meaningless, I know) but thought you might be interested in seeing him.
I have no idea how hard the guy in the article got hit but my point stands. There are some people you would definately be better off drawing down on then taking a second punch from.
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I've taken more than enough hits to completely agree. I'm just saying for most people when you get blasted by someone that's heavy handed you're hardly able to reach for your sidearm. Most people will immediately try to cover-up and recover.
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To those who say this was an over-reaction you sound the same as those who said Zimmerman was over-reacting.
To those who say it's no reason to fear for your life, you don't know what a punch can do. You've probably never even been hit for real by someone who wants to hurt you and you're assuming the guy threw one punch and then calmly waited in line.
To those who say that they feel qualified to judge, who should and shouldn't have firearms, with no credentials other than their own overly self-valued opinion - fuck you, go live in Europe.
To those who say this was an over-reaction you sound the same as those who said Zimmerman was over-reacting.
To those who say it's no reason to fear for your life, you don't know what a punch can do. You've probably never even been hit for real by someone who wants to hurt you and you're assuming the guy threw one punch and then calmly waited in line.
To those who say that they feel qualified to judge, who should and shouldn't have firearms, with no credentials other than their own overly self-valued opinion - fuck you, go live in Europe.
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It's a Zen thing I guess as I still feel Zimmerman was in the right yet I am unwilling to conclude the guy with the gun in the crowded store was out of options.
I have been hit by more people than I would care to remember (Played a lot of hockey and football as a kid) and have been blessed (Or cursed) with a thick skull.
And based on the dopers, scumbags, morons, insane people and those whose grasp of ballistics extends no further than the Yosemite Sam cartoons, who have guns, it is clear that there are people who should not have access to fire arms.
I was born here and here is where I'll stay. Thanks!
It's a Zen thing I guess as I still feel Zimmerman was in the right yet I am unwilling to conclude the guy with the gun in the crowded store was out of options.
I have been hit by more people than I would care to remember (Played a lot of hockey and football as a kid) and have been blessed (Or cursed) with a thick skull.
And based on the dopers, scumbags, morons, insane people and those whose grasp of ballistics extends no further than the Yosemite Sam cartoons, who have guns, it is clear that there are people who should not have access to fire arms.
I was born here and here is where I'll stay. Thanks!
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Did my big item shopping yesterday (Saturday) at one of the Big Box stores. Place was nearly empty, everything was in stock, 'Friday" deals still in effect, the staff was actually becoming overly helpful. Saved something over $200 on items we had decided on during visits over the past month.
The entire expedition took Celia and me under 3hrs, travel/loading/unloading included, my driveway to my driveway.
What a difference a day and a few miles make. Down in the Mall Zone, conditions were 'not good'.
Greg
Did my big item shopping yesterday (Saturday) at one of the Big Box stores. Place was nearly empty, everything was in stock, 'Friday" deals still in effect, the staff was actually becoming overly helpful. Saved something over $200 on items we had decided on during visits over the past month.
The entire expedition took Celia and me under 3hrs, travel/loading/unloading included, my driveway to my driveway.
What a difference a day and a few miles make. Down in the Mall Zone, conditions were 'not good'.
Greg
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NorthernBorn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I find it interesting that this is being referred to as a "minor thing" yet the law enforcement that were on seen chose not to press charges against the CHL holder. Know what the difference between your "minor thing" argument and the call made by law enforcement is?
They have all the facts. You don't. </div></div>
I think the only thing that kept this guy from a brandishing/disorderly charged was that he was physically assaulted first, no doubt with either witnesses or camera. I doubt he would have gotten away with brandishing without the contact.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NorthernBorn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I find it interesting that this is being referred to as a "minor thing" yet the law enforcement that were on seen chose not to press charges against the CHL holder. Know what the difference between your "minor thing" argument and the call made by law enforcement is?
They have all the facts. You don't. </div></div>
I think the only thing that kept this guy from a brandishing/disorderly charged was that he was physically assaulted first, no doubt with either witnesses or camera. I doubt he would have gotten away with brandishing without the contact.
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I doubt he would have presented the firearm had he not been hit...
I doubt he would have presented the firearm had he not been hit...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I doubt he would have presented the firearm had he not been hit... </div></div>
Shocking it even needed to be said...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I doubt he would have presented the firearm had he not been hit... </div></div>
Shocking it even needed to be said...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I doubt he would have presented the firearm had he not been hit... </div></div>
Lol +1
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I doubt he would have presented the firearm had he not been hit... </div></div>
Lol +1
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I dont think anyone here is qualified to judge. I'm glad it ended well, but are there any of you that would want to be one of the other shoppers there, with your family in tow, while this is going down? Every year there is a story like this or worse. It has gotten to the point that its not worth the effort.
Toughguy, are you one of those guys that feels the need to call anyone who does not 100% support a CC holders decision an Anti-CCW?
EventHorizion, as usual, you read into someone's statement way too deep, and make casual assumptions about a profession you know less than zero about. And yes, most cops use non-firearm/lethal tactics to resolve issues a lot more than you think. But since the media only reports when cops use a gun, I guess thats how things really are, right?
I dont think anyone here is qualified to judge. I'm glad it ended well, but are there any of you that would want to be one of the other shoppers there, with your family in tow, while this is going down? Every year there is a story like this or worse. It has gotten to the point that its not worth the effort.
Toughguy, are you one of those guys that feels the need to call anyone who does not 100% support a CC holders decision an Anti-CCW?
EventHorizion, as usual, you read into someone's statement way too deep, and make casual assumptions about a profession you know less than zero about. And yes, most cops use non-firearm/lethal tactics to resolve issues a lot more than you think. But since the media only reports when cops use a gun, I guess thats how things really are, right?
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you really are a fear-mongerer aren't you. So your suggestion is what? To disallow CCW? You think being attacked by someone showing aggressive behavior is no cause to fear for you life? YOu can say for sure that the asshole who threw a punch wasn't going to follow up with a head stomp...?
Here's my assumption... That douche won't be pushing in line or throwing punches anymore.
I never made any comments about how LE use non-firemarm tactics so please don't try and suggest I did. My comments were to Slap not his profession.
Try going for the non-glazed ones for a while, the sugar rush is making you type stupid shit.
you really are a fear-mongerer aren't you. So your suggestion is what? To disallow CCW? You think being attacked by someone showing aggressive behavior is no cause to fear for you life? YOu can say for sure that the asshole who threw a punch wasn't going to follow up with a head stomp...?
Here's my assumption... That douche won't be pushing in line or throwing punches anymore.
I never made any comments about how LE use non-firemarm tactics so please don't try and suggest I did. My comments were to Slap not his profession.
Try going for the non-glazed ones for a while, the sugar rush is making you type stupid shit.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000">you really are a fear-mongerer aren't you.</span> So your suggestion is what? To disallow CCW? You think being attacked by someone showing aggressive behavior is no <span style="color: #CC0000">cause to fear for you life? YOu can say for sure that the asshole who threw a punch wasn't going to follow up with a head stomp</span>...?
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Really? And you accuse him of being a fear monger? Holy crap!
Why don't you go back to Europe!
Seems to me like many of you will say/fabricate/assume just about anything to justify brandishing your weapon in a crowded store.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000">you really are a fear-mongerer aren't you.</span> So your suggestion is what? To disallow CCW? You think being attacked by someone showing aggressive behavior is no <span style="color: #CC0000">cause to fear for you life? YOu can say for sure that the asshole who threw a punch wasn't going to follow up with a head stomp</span>...?
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Really? And you accuse him of being a fear monger? Holy crap!
Why don't you go back to Europe!
Seems to me like many of you will say/fabricate/assume just about anything to justify brandishing your weapon in a crowded store.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dont think anyone here is qualified to judge. I'm glad it ended well, but are there any of you that would want to be one of the other shoppers there, with your family in tow, while this is going down? Every year there is a story like this or worse. It has gotten to the point that its not worth the effort.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Toughguy, are you one of those guys that feels the need to call anyone who does not 100% support a CC holders decision an Anti-CCW?
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Maybe, maybe not, depends on what was said during whatever conversation. In this thread what I did was find out if someone was anti CCW. Seems like this forum would be a lousy place for a anti CCW person to hang out though.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dont think anyone here is qualified to judge. I'm glad it ended well, but are there any of you that would want to be one of the other shoppers there, with your family in tow, while this is going down? Every year there is a story like this or worse. It has gotten to the point that its not worth the effort.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Toughguy, are you one of those guys that feels the need to call anyone who does not 100% support a CC holders decision an Anti-CCW?
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Maybe, maybe not, depends on what was said during whatever conversation. In this thread what I did was find out if someone was anti CCW. Seems like this forum would be a lousy place for a anti CCW person to hang out though.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000">you really are a fear-mongerer aren't you.</span> So your suggestion is what? To disallow CCW? You think being attacked by someone showing aggressive behavior is no <span style="color: #CC0000">cause to fear for you life? YOu can say for sure that the asshole who threw a punch wasn't going to follow up with a head stomp</span>...?
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Really? And you accuse him of being a fear monger? Holy crap!
Why don't you go back to Europe!
Seems to me like many of you will say/fabricate/assume just about anything to justify brandishing your weapon in a crowded store. </div></div>
Perhaps you're not as experienced as you think you are... you seriously have never seen someone decked get kicked/stomped in the head?
Bless, what a lamb you are...
I tell you what, you don't want to pull on someone cleaning your clock that's your choice. How about you leave others alone to exercise their rights legally as how they see fit. A novel idea amongst you New Yorkers with your nanny state fetish but give it a go just for the sake of variety eh?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000">you really are a fear-mongerer aren't you.</span> So your suggestion is what? To disallow CCW? You think being attacked by someone showing aggressive behavior is no <span style="color: #CC0000">cause to fear for you life? YOu can say for sure that the asshole who threw a punch wasn't going to follow up with a head stomp</span>...?
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Really? And you accuse him of being a fear monger? Holy crap!
Why don't you go back to Europe!
Seems to me like many of you will say/fabricate/assume just about anything to justify brandishing your weapon in a crowded store. </div></div>
Perhaps you're not as experienced as you think you are... you seriously have never seen someone decked get kicked/stomped in the head?
Bless, what a lamb you are...
I tell you what, you don't want to pull on someone cleaning your clock that's your choice. How about you leave others alone to exercise their rights legally as how they see fit. A novel idea amongst you New Yorkers with your nanny state fetish but give it a go just for the sake of variety eh?
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
Eventhorizon, perhaps I don't scare as easy as you do. Perhaps I realize that there are other just as effective ways of diffusing/defending oneself that don't involve the use of firearms.
Like I said before, I've been paid to carry guns for ALL of my adult life. I've learned not to rely on any single tool because if it fails then you're immediately out of options.
I guess when you live in fear drawing down on a crowd of shoppers is the end result.
Oh and by the way, go back to Europe.
Eventhorizon, perhaps I don't scare as easy as you do. Perhaps I realize that there are other just as effective ways of diffusing/defending oneself that don't involve the use of firearms.
Like I said before, I've been paid to carry guns for ALL of my adult life. I've learned not to rely on any single tool because if it fails then you're immediately out of options.
I guess when you live in fear drawing down on a crowd of shoppers is the end result.
Oh and by the way, go back to Europe.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Perhaps you're not as experienced as you think you are... you seriously have never seen someone decked get kicked/stomped in the head? </div></div>
Lol... Or maybe you're the one that lacks experience. Take away whatever you've "seen" on the street. Have you ever been the one on the ground getting "kicked/stomped in the head" by guys with REAL intent on harm wearing shoes/boots? It ain't no fuckin MMA fight with rules... The last thing you're doing is trying to go for your gun because you're too busy trying to stay conscious and protect your skull from being smashed in.
And of all your dramatics you're the last guy who should be talking about fear mongering.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Perhaps you're not as experienced as you think you are... you seriously have never seen someone decked get kicked/stomped in the head? </div></div>
Lol... Or maybe you're the one that lacks experience. Take away whatever you've "seen" on the street. Have you ever been the one on the ground getting "kicked/stomped in the head" by guys with REAL intent on harm wearing shoes/boots? It ain't no fuckin MMA fight with rules... The last thing you're doing is trying to go for your gun because you're too busy trying to stay conscious and protect your skull from being smashed in.
And of all your dramatics you're the last guy who should be talking about fear mongering.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
awesome, a pissing contest of machismo, we should resolve plenty now...
yes, I've had a few boots wrapped round my head. Growing up in Manchester and London during the late 80s meant having to deal with the NF (skinheads) whose weapons of choice were steel capped DocMartens or boxcutters. I had to make do with a trusty bicycle chain. All the more reason why I personally wouldn't wait to see if a head stomping was on the way before drawing my firearm. I've been concussed from a headkick, I know how once you're woosy you're done if the assailant has no intention of stopping. You guys make it sound like the victim drew after being looked at funny.
Slap, you've been TRAINED to deal with aggressive people. Most civvies have not. Comparing what you'd do to what a civvie should do is asinine. We're all in awe of how long you've lived in a uniform, good for you, it's not representative of the population at large (you know, the people who are 'non-Slapchop'). Now please give yourself some extra Chuck Norris points, you've earned them I'm sure.
Also, let's leave the hyperbole to the media shall we? He didn't 'draw down on a crowd of shoppers'. So much for you being a representative of facts... He drew on an attacker amongst a crowd. What's he supposed to do - ask the guy to assault him in a more isolated location?
Let's also recap - the police didn't arrest him and the DA's office didn't press charges. Guess he did the right thing, at the right time and no one had an issue with it other than our internet heroes here who feel entitled to tell people what they have no rights to do.
awesome, a pissing contest of machismo, we should resolve plenty now...
yes, I've had a few boots wrapped round my head. Growing up in Manchester and London during the late 80s meant having to deal with the NF (skinheads) whose weapons of choice were steel capped DocMartens or boxcutters. I had to make do with a trusty bicycle chain. All the more reason why I personally wouldn't wait to see if a head stomping was on the way before drawing my firearm. I've been concussed from a headkick, I know how once you're woosy you're done if the assailant has no intention of stopping. You guys make it sound like the victim drew after being looked at funny.
Slap, you've been TRAINED to deal with aggressive people. Most civvies have not. Comparing what you'd do to what a civvie should do is asinine. We're all in awe of how long you've lived in a uniform, good for you, it's not representative of the population at large (you know, the people who are 'non-Slapchop'). Now please give yourself some extra Chuck Norris points, you've earned them I'm sure.
Also, let's leave the hyperbole to the media shall we? He didn't 'draw down on a crowd of shoppers'. So much for you being a representative of facts... He drew on an attacker amongst a crowd. What's he supposed to do - ask the guy to assault him in a more isolated location?
Let's also recap - the police didn't arrest him and the DA's office didn't press charges. Guess he did the right thing, at the right time and no one had an issue with it other than our internet heroes here who feel entitled to tell people what they have no rights to do.
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Yes, I've been in a uniform for quite a long time. Both as a United States Marine and as a law enforcement officer. Two things which you clearly hold in contempt given your snide remarks.
I don't say this to beat my chest or pat myself on the back but to get the point across that I'm not awed or fascinated by firearms like some others are. To me they're a tool. Just not my only tool. Guns don't make me, they don't define me. To me they're an option and a hobby.
But whatever, you are who you are and you're going to continue to spin and distort things to try to get your point across. I still think you'd benefit a great deal from not being so skittish. Perhaps one of those boots to the head did more damage that you're letting on.
As far as what the DA and police down there did, great. I never said he didn't have a right to carry or even draw his sidearm. I just think that given the situation at hand, what he did was in poor judgement. Perhaps if you and your kids were among those diving for cover, you'd agree.
Yes, I've been in a uniform for quite a long time. Both as a United States Marine and as a law enforcement officer. Two things which you clearly hold in contempt given your snide remarks.
I don't say this to beat my chest or pat myself on the back but to get the point across that I'm not awed or fascinated by firearms like some others are. To me they're a tool. Just not my only tool. Guns don't make me, they don't define me. To me they're an option and a hobby.
But whatever, you are who you are and you're going to continue to spin and distort things to try to get your point across. I still think you'd benefit a great deal from not being so skittish. Perhaps one of those boots to the head did more damage that you're letting on.
As far as what the DA and police down there did, great. I never said he didn't have a right to carry or even draw his sidearm. I just think that given the situation at hand, what he did was in poor judgement. Perhaps if you and your kids were among those diving for cover, you'd agree.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">awesome, a pissing contest of machismo, we should resolve plenty now...</div></div>
The only person who's creating a machismo issue is you. Your masculinity wasn't brought into question. I hate to break your heart, but just because a guy throws a punch doesn't mean you get to draw down or shoot them legally, at least not in this State.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">awesome, a pissing contest of machismo, we should resolve plenty now...</div></div>
The only person who's creating a machismo issue is you. Your masculinity wasn't brought into question. I hate to break your heart, but just because a guy throws a punch doesn't mean you get to draw down or shoot them legally, at least not in this State.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">awesome, a pissing contest of machismo, we should resolve plenty now...</div></div>
The only person who's creating a machismo issue is you. Your masculinity wasn't brought into question. I hate to break your heart, but just because a guy throws a punch doesn't mean you get to draw down or shoot them legally, at least not in this State. </div></div>
Well thankfully the law in the state of the victim disagrees. What you're suggesting is that you're against the 'stand your ground' laws. You know what breaks my heart, seeing threads like these where people are happily taking this country to what England has already become. Some are doing insidiously, others are just unwitting collaborators. Both are looking pretty pathetic in my eyes.
That's it from me on this thread.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">awesome, a pissing contest of machismo, we should resolve plenty now...</div></div>
The only person who's creating a machismo issue is you. Your masculinity wasn't brought into question. I hate to break your heart, but just because a guy throws a punch doesn't mean you get to draw down or shoot them legally, at least not in this State. </div></div>
Well thankfully the law in the state of the victim disagrees. What you're suggesting is that you're against the 'stand your ground' laws. You know what breaks my heart, seeing threads like these where people are happily taking this country to what England has already become. Some are doing insidiously, others are just unwitting collaborators. Both are looking pretty pathetic in my eyes.
That's it from me on this thread.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">awesome, a pissing contest of machismo, we should resolve plenty now...</div></div>
The only person who's creating a machismo issue is you. Your masculinity wasn't brought into question. I hate to break your heart, but just because a guy throws a punch doesn't mean you get to draw down or shoot them legally, at least not in this State. </div></div>
Well thankfully the law in the state of the victim disagrees. What you're suggesting is that you're against the 'stand your ground' laws. You know what breaks my heart, seeing threads like these where people are happily taking this country to what England has already become. Some are doing insidiously, others are just unwitting collaborators. Both are looking pretty pathetic in my eyes.
That's it from me on this thread. </div></div>
Exactly where did I "suggest" anything. Your misdirection and dramatics is a piss poor attempt to cover up the fact that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And if you're going to try and throw laws like "Stand Your Ground" into it then at least get a fucking clue as to what it is. It doesn't say anywhere in the "Stand Your Ground" statues/RCW's I've seen that you can draw down or shoot someone based just because they threw a punch or might throw a punch. You still have to have a real and imminent threat to your life or someone elses. Paranoia that they might try and kick you in the head based upon your past experiences with skinheads in a different Country doesn't imply the use of deadly force. I can almost 99% guarantee you that if you get into a fist fight then draw your weapon and shoot someone unarmed that you'll be in jail for manslaughter. Good luck with that...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">awesome, a pissing contest of machismo, we should resolve plenty now...</div></div>
The only person who's creating a machismo issue is you. Your masculinity wasn't brought into question. I hate to break your heart, but just because a guy throws a punch doesn't mean you get to draw down or shoot them legally, at least not in this State. </div></div>
Well thankfully the law in the state of the victim disagrees. What you're suggesting is that you're against the 'stand your ground' laws. You know what breaks my heart, seeing threads like these where people are happily taking this country to what England has already become. Some are doing insidiously, others are just unwitting collaborators. Both are looking pretty pathetic in my eyes.
That's it from me on this thread. </div></div>
Exactly where did I "suggest" anything. Your misdirection and dramatics is a piss poor attempt to cover up the fact that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And if you're going to try and throw laws like "Stand Your Ground" into it then at least get a fucking clue as to what it is. It doesn't say anywhere in the "Stand Your Ground" statues/RCW's I've seen that you can draw down or shoot someone based just because they threw a punch or might throw a punch. You still have to have a real and imminent threat to your life or someone elses. Paranoia that they might try and kick you in the head based upon your past experiences with skinheads in a different Country doesn't imply the use of deadly force. I can almost 99% guarantee you that if you get into a fist fight then draw your weapon and shoot someone unarmed that you'll be in jail for manslaughter. Good luck with that...
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">End the altercation immediately or continue to stoop to the level of some random piece of shit and tangle with him? That's an easy decision. You know nothing about his medical history, know nothing about his state of mind, have no idea as to whether or not he is armed, and don't know if he'll be the only one you'll have to fight or what he might do if your weapon is discovered in the scuffle. You'd have to be a complete fucking moron to tie up with the piece of shit. I don't want his blood on me and don't have time to get involved in such bullshit. If these fuckers were drawn on more often, they'd quit assaulting people.... </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">End the altercation immediately or continue to stoop to the level of some random piece of shit and tangle with him? That's an easy decision. You know nothing about his medical history, know nothing about his state of mind, have no idea as to whether or not he is armed, and don't know if he'll be the only one you'll have to fight or what he might do if your weapon is discovered in the scuffle. You'd have to be a complete fucking moron to tie up with the piece of shit. I don't want his blood on me and don't have time to get involved in such bullshit. If these fuckers were drawn on more often, they'd quit assaulting people.... </div></div>
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Slap I have been a cop for 20 plus years. I try and not draw conclusions until I have all the facts. You and I were not there when it happened nor do we have all the facts of the case. I for one will not pass judgement before I have all the facts.
So many people on the web are quick to say I would have done this or that but in real life it's always a different tune. I would like to think that since the guy with the gun was not arrested or cited( that we know). He must have had reason to believe that his life was in danger.
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Slap I have been a cop for 20 plus years. I try and not draw conclusions until I have all the facts. You and I were not there when it happened nor do we have all the facts of the case. I for one will not pass judgement before I have all the facts.
So many people on the web are quick to say I would have done this or that but in real life it's always a different tune. I would like to think that since the guy with the gun was not arrested or cited( that we know). He must have had reason to believe that his life was in danger.
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I see lots of guys posting how the guy had no right to draw for taking a punch etc, what kind of retarded bullshit is this? You weren't there and any training you have is totally irrelevant to determining what the proper response for the victim was <span style="font-weight: bold">given the information we have.</span> We don't know the physical disparity between the victim and the attacker, ages, health concerns, threats being made during an attack etc. You can be damn well sure if an agitated younger guy punched my dad and threatened him I would be telling him to light the guy up, because with his level of health it would be completely reasonable for him to fear for his life in that situation. Whether or not that can be said of this victim, we don't know; I don't know, slapchop doesn't know, and event horizon doesn't know.
For anyone to suggest that they know a better way to diffuse the situation etc is simply asinine. Without knowing all the details you can't make a relevant determination one way or the other, but if the DA didn't push to prosecute you can be pretty damn sure it was extremely clear cut.
Also as an aside I don't see anything event horizon said being anti Marine and I would be the FIRST to take offense at anything that even remotely was, not sure why that was even brought up and to be frank it just seemed like grasping at straws.
I see lots of guys posting how the guy had no right to draw for taking a punch etc, what kind of retarded bullshit is this? You weren't there and any training you have is totally irrelevant to determining what the proper response for the victim was <span style="font-weight: bold">given the information we have.</span> We don't know the physical disparity between the victim and the attacker, ages, health concerns, threats being made during an attack etc. You can be damn well sure if an agitated younger guy punched my dad and threatened him I would be telling him to light the guy up, because with his level of health it would be completely reasonable for him to fear for his life in that situation. Whether or not that can be said of this victim, we don't know; I don't know, slapchop doesn't know, and event horizon doesn't know.
For anyone to suggest that they know a better way to diffuse the situation etc is simply asinine. Without knowing all the details you can't make a relevant determination one way or the other, but if the DA didn't push to prosecute you can be pretty damn sure it was extremely clear cut.
Also as an aside I don't see anything event horizon said being anti Marine and I would be the FIRST to take offense at anything that even remotely was, not sure why that was even brought up and to be frank it just seemed like grasping at straws.
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