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Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rushfan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">only</span></span> point I was making was regarding the cost of your legal defense.

Think 5-10 times (or more) the amount quoted. For alot of us, it will cost us our entire net worth.

Not making a comment on defending yourself in a bad situation. </div></div>

Legal Defense? Nonsense. Don't you know? Should train all the time! Train shooting while in the shower, while in the cubicle, and train how to quickly dress and return fire while you are getting busy with your girl, BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW MAN!

Shooting in the Internet is Serious business. Oh and by the way, Buy GAP Rifles because they are awesome at screwing in barrels! </div></div>

Because all GAP does is screw in barrels... It's not like they smith anything... It's like someone cut off the oxygen to the basement and yet your still able to type, but you can't type anything of a coherent nature...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Because all GAP does is screw in barrels... It's not like they smith anything... It's like someone cut off the oxygen to the basement and yet your still able to type, but you can't type anything of a coherent nature... </div></div>

I am glad you mentioned that. I am going to build another Accurate AR without the Secret GAP Barrel Wrench. My SuperSASS barrel from Armalite is not as accurate as it once was due to all the rapid firing I am doing from it. Use to be consistent .5 MOA 4 shot groups for the first groups, but now about .75 MOA

Here is what I have so far:

1) Get a Quality trigger: Giselle Hi-Speed Match (check)
2) Get a Quality Barrel: Noveske 21" (check)
3) Use Quality Parts: Armalite 7075 Upper (check), Armalite bolt (check), Armalite BCG (check)
4) Free Float Hand-guard: SASS handguard, came with rifle (check)
5) Get a Quality Bipod: Tango Down, very solid, and like it more than my Atlas (Check)
6) Use a New Bolt with New barrel for maximum tightness (check)
7) True and Lap the Upper Receiver: Not going to do this just yet, will install the barrel without truing to see how it works. I see Brownells sells a truing kit.
8) Target Crown Barrel: thinking I won't need this since I bought a Novekse barrel.
9) Use Red loctite for the barrel extension: hoping Noveske did this.

Now since I plan to start my build with a Noveske Barrel and Gissele trigger, I am thinking I won't need much else. Talking with all my boys who have built precision ARs, all agreed those are the 2 things all you need to do. I tried to tell them about the Magic GAP barrel wrench, but they laughed at me =(

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As much as I hate to agree with Cartmann... he's makes a valid point.

quality parts= quality results
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As much as I hate to agree with Cartmann... he's makes a valid point.

quality parts= quality results </div></div>

Well you take everything personally, and you tend to attack the poster and not the subject. I know you are still pissed off that I said that Piston-AR's were gimmicky.
 
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Kind of hard for GAP to "Screw on a barrel" when that particular barrel considered to be one of the best on the market only comes as a blank. Or maybe you think it just chambered and threaded itself.
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As much as I hate to agree with Cartmann... he's makes a valid point.

quality parts= quality results </div></div>

Well you take everything personally, and you tend to attack the poster and not the subject. I know you are still pissed off that I said that Piston-AR's were gimmicky. </div></div>


not at all bud... I own an SR-15 E3 and I still prefer my A3.

to each their own.
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can we meet up KYS338 and you come teach me? How much do you charge for your classes like every other "Operator-Trainer" that we all meet on the internet? </div></div>

You are a clown! I wouldn't waste my time with you if you were paying in gold and ammo!

Come down to FL in February and shoot the K&M Match. Show off your operator/fat guy skills. </div></div>


Please?

I would not call you fat, maybe a lean 350 lbs. I love going to gun matches, in that it makes me feel good about myself. </div></div>
Please don't leave the forum <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">or</span></span> wash your mouth out with buck shot. You give me hope that not every thread will be about 175g .vs 168g?, Mil/Mil .vs MOA/MOA .vs Mil/MOA .vs MOA/Mil .vs duplex/MOA .vs german #4/Mil?, whats the best ammo for my SKS?, or people being overly concerned about the marks operator style M4 feed ramps on their OLY leave on their steel cased berdan primed eastern block surplus ammo.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pete Sake</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Please don't leave the forum <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">or</span></span> wash your mouth out with buck shot. You give me hope that not every thread will be about 175g .vs 168g?, Mil/Mil .vs MOA/MOA .vs Mil/MOA .vs MOA/Mil .vs duplex/MOA .vs german #4/Mil?, whats the best ammo for my SKS?, or people being overly concerned about the marks operator style M4 feed ramps on their OLY leave on their steel cased berdan primed eastern block surplus ammo. </div></div>

Aww thanks.. don't plan on leaving, actually only time I left was because I got banned because some cool kid and I did not agree on the ideal shade of color the sky should be, then the cool kid gets personal and starts attacking me, then he probably next reports me to a Moderator.

That is how America works now, conversation don't go your way, just tattle!
 
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Would you please loose the picture.. it's so annoying.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rojkoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Would you please loose the picture.. it's so annoying. </div></div>

How would people know that I am a Trapper?
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As much as I hate to agree with Cartmann... he's makes a valid point.

quality <span style="color: #CC0000">matched</span> parts= quality results </div></div>

Fixed it for you.....

Have the bolt matched correctly to the barrel extension will make the biggest change in accuracy. A trigger will help but its not as crucial. Geiselle is good stuff. Make sure it stays oiled.

It's not a "magic GAP barrel wrench". It is the way the barrel is machined and installed onto the already trued upper receiver. They take meticulous care of their semi auto builds.
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As much as I hate to agree with Cartmann... he's makes a valid point.

quality <span style="color: #CC0000">matched</span> parts= quality results </div></div>

Fixed it for you.....

Have the bolt matched correctly to the barrel extension will make the biggest change in accuracy. A trigger will help but its not as crucial. Geiselle is good stuff. Make sure it stays oiled.

It's not a "magic GAP barrel wrench". It is the way the barrel is machined and installed onto the already trued upper receiver. They take meticulous care of their semi auto builds. </div></div>


Considering that .308 Noveske uses Armalite extensions, and .308 Noveske only builds barrels for Armalite Uppers. I would say I am good to go to matching bolts with barrel extension.

Also I believe matching bolts with barrel extension has more to do with proper headspace than anything magic. I have 2 Armalite AR10's, and both headspaced between 1.630-1.634". For my SASS, I seat the bullets to 2.81" which is close to seating to the lands, this also helps with keeping everything tight, and my groups are definitely more consistent.

You mean to tell me there is no GAP Magic Bolt Wrench? What makes GAP guns accurate than? GAP Holy Water? Can I buy that?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As much as I hate to agree with Cartmann... he's makes a valid point.

quality <span style="color: #CC0000">matched</span> parts= quality results </div></div>

Fixed it for you.....

Have the bolt matched correctly to the barrel extension will make the biggest change in accuracy. A trigger will help but its not as crucial. Geiselle is good stuff. Make sure it stays oiled.

It's not a "magic GAP barrel wrench". It is the way the barrel is machined and installed onto the already trued upper receiver. They take meticulous care of their semi auto builds. </div></div>

yes.... yes you did fix my vague statement.

much appreciated.
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As much as I hate to agree with Cartmann... he's makes a valid point.

quality <span style="color: #CC0000">matched</span> parts= quality results </div></div>

Fixed it for you.....

Have the bolt matched correctly to the barrel extension will make the biggest change in accuracy. A trigger will help but its not as crucial. Geiselle is good stuff. Make sure it stays oiled.

It's not a "magic GAP barrel wrench". It is the way the barrel is machined and installed onto the already trued upper receiver. They take meticulous care of their semi auto builds. </div></div>

yes.... yes you did fix my vague statement.

much appreciated. </div></div>

Your statement was not vague at all. It was clear to me. Quality Parts = in spec parts. Thought you were clear.
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As much as I hate to agree with Cartmann... he's makes a valid point.

quality parts= quality results </div></div>

Well you take everything personally, and you tend to attack the poster and not the subject. I know you are still pissed off that I said that Piston-AR's were gimmicky. </div></div>


not at all bud... I own an SR-15 E3 and I still prefer my A3.

to each their own.

</div></div>

I don't know man, you seem pretty upset, even called me a "Fuckin idiot" all because I said Piston AR's are gimmicky. LWRC are great guns if you like gimmicks.

Do you call someone a "Fuckin Idiot" because it was a nice day out that day? Or was it because you did not like that I called Piston AR's gimmicky?
 
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Cartmann, you are hurting way too many Internet feelings on this thread, it's time you removed yourself. The blatant abuse of your obvious Brain Control powers has gone too far. Additionally, your complete lack of discipline (not training for the inevitable Red Dawn), and safe range practices is inexcusable on the Internets. Fix yourself, lest you suffer the Ban Hammer. Happy Thanksgiving.
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As much as I hate to agree with Cartmann... he's makes a valid point.

quality parts= quality results </div></div>

Well you take everything personally, and you tend to attack the poster and not the subject. I know you are still pissed off that I said that Piston-AR's were gimmicky. </div></div>


not at all bud... I own an SR-15 E3 and I still prefer my A3.

to each their own.

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I don't know man, you seem pretty upset, even called me a "Fuckin idiot" all because I said Piston AR's are gimmicky. LWRC are great guns if you like gimmicks.

Do you call someone a "Fuckin Idiot" because it was a nice day out that day? Or was it because you did not like that I called Piston AR's gimmicky? </div></div>

just a nice day out.... funny thing is your vagina still has sand in it (ie why your bringing up a disagreement we had a while ago). I must've really hurt your feeling....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
just a nice day out.... funny thing is your vagina still has sand in it (ie why your bringing up a disagreement we had a while ago). I must've really hurt your feeling....

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What does it matter if I have "sand in my vagina" or not? What does it matter if my feelings are "hurt" or not? I was just wondering if calling someone a "Fucking Idiot" was normal for you if someone's view of the world conflicts with your view?

What if I were to say, "Yes, I still have sand in my vagina, and my feelings were hurt".. would that change your answer? Or change the question? Please Discuss...

By the way, here is what happens to a LWRC after only 200 rounds suppressed. Mashed Springs and shredded cup spring. I can consistently do this too. That's why I do not run my LWRC suppressed anymore
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LWRC (the offending gimmicky rifle on top), Noveske, and XCR
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kellogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cartmann, you are hurting way too many Internet feelings on this thread, it's time you removed yourself. The blatant abuse of your obvious Brain Control powers has gone too far. Additionally, your complete lack of discipline (not training for the inevitable Red Dawn), and safe range practices is inexcusable on the Internets. Fix yourself, lest you suffer the Ban Hammer. Happy Thanksgiving. </div></div>

I do not mean to
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I am just looking for friends. I am finding out it's hard for a Hobbyist like me to make friends around all these Operators
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Buy GAP Rifles because they are awesome at screwing in barrels! </div></div>

LOL this thread is going places.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As much as I hate to agree with Cartmann... he's makes a valid point.

quality <span style="color: #CC0000">matched</span> parts= quality results </div></div>

Fixed it for you.....

Have the bolt matched correctly to the barrel extension will make the biggest change in accuracy. A trigger will help but its not as crucial. Geiselle is good stuff. Make sure it stays oiled.

It's not a "magic GAP barrel wrench". It is the way the barrel is machined and installed onto the already trued upper receiver. They take meticulous care of their semi auto builds. </div></div>


Considering that .308 Noveske uses Armalite extensions, and .308 Noveske only builds barrels for Armalite Uppers. I would say I am good to go to matching bolts with barrel extension.

Also I believe matching bolts with barrel extension has more to do with proper headspace than anything magic. I have 2 Armalite AR10's, and both headspaced between 1.630-1.634". For my SASS, I seat the bullets to 2.81" which is close to seating to the lands, this also helps with keeping everything tight, and my groups are definitely more consistent.

You mean to tell me there is no GAP Magic Bolt Wrench? What makes GAP guns accurate than? GAP Holy Water? Can I buy that?

.308 Headspace Gauges
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Again you're comparing apples to oranges. Bartlein barrels only come as blanks unlike Noveske. That means you can't simply attach a barrel, i.e. it requires a GOOD gunsmith to chamber and match it. Whether you want to admit it or not, when you buy a Noveske Barrel you're still paying for the work of a gunsmith. Now try and tell us all that the chambering and matching doesn't affect accuracy...
 
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I voiced my opinion just like you voiced yours (stating piston guns offer no improvement over DI ar's).

I like how you set up all your rifles... what's the lights for? CQB/clearing the local ranges? your more of an "operator" then you think... embrace yourself and stop proclaiming the hobbyist role killer.

ps. my offers still stands.... a flashy DPMS for your LWRC... it is a DI, therefore much better then your piston gun.
 
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And I love how you constantly talk about your consistent tight groups and skillful shooting, yet the only evidence you provide is you acting retarded and hitting a berm more than the target...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Again you're comparing apples to oranges. Bartlein barrels only come as blanks unlike Noveske. That means you can't simply attach a barrel, i.e. it requires a GOOD gunsmith to chamber and match it. Whether you want to admit it or not, when you buy a Noveske Barrel you're still paying for the work of a gunsmith. Now try and tell us all that the chambering and matching doesn't affect accuracy... </div></div>

You can't buy Bartlein Barrels with the barrel extension installed?

Schillen/Rainer-Arms Ultra Match Barrels comes with the extension installed and price is only $395 complete. If extension is installed wrong, then barrel is useless as you can't adjust headspace on an AR.

That's the beauty of the AR platform, is that the Barrels come pre-headspace (if barrel extention is already installed). It either works or it does not. What is so hard about checking headspace???
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Again you're comparing apples to oranges. Bartlein barrels only come as blanks unlike Noveske. That means you can't simply attach a barrel, i.e. it requires a GOOD gunsmith to chamber and match it. Whether you want to admit it or not, when you buy a Noveske Barrel you're still paying for the work of a gunsmith. Now try and tell us all that the chambering and matching doesn't affect accuracy... </div></div>

You can't buy Bartlein Barrels with the barrel extension installed?

Schillen/Rainer-Arms Ultra Match Barrels comes with the extension installed and price is only $395 complete. If extension is installed wrong, then barrel is useless as you can't adjust headspace on an AR.

That's the beauty of the AR platform, is that the Barrels come pre-headspace (if barrel extention is already installed). It either works or it does not. What is so hard about checking headspace???
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Guess who Bartlein uses to chamber their barrels?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I voiced my opinion just like you voiced yours (stating piston guns offer no improvement over DI ar's).

I like how you set up all your rifles... what's the lights for? CQB/clearing the local ranges? your more of an "operator" then you think... embrace yourself and stop proclaiming the hobbyist role killer.

ps. my offers still stands.... a flashy DPMS for your LWRC... it is a DI, therefore much better then your piston gun.

</div></div>

I like lights on my guns. When I go night shooting, better to reach for one thing than 2... this way I never forget the lights.

I see, so I can expect to be called a Fuckin Idiot more in the future for my personal opinions. Can't wait! Especially from you. Will you be my friend?

As for my LWRC, not for sale, I like it enough to keep it. It has a nice barrel, and I have set up the way I like. My LWRC shoots just fine as long as I do not shoot it suppressed.

But I would never buy another Piston gun again. I am a big fan of Noveske though, if you have a Noveske rifle for trade I will take you up onl your offer.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Guess who Bartlein uses to chamber their barrels? </div></div>

Chamber my barrels with ammo? I can chamber my own barrels. How much do they charge to chamber the barrel? Do they show up at the range and charge you per round?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like lights on my guns. When I go night shooting, better to reach for one thing than 2... this way I never forget the lights.

I see, so I can expect to be called a Fuckin Idiot more in the future for my personal opinions. Can't wait! Especially from you. Will you be my friend?

As for my LWRC, not for sale, I like it enough to keep it. It has a nice barrel, and I have set up the way I like. My LWRC shoots just fine as long as I do not shoot it suppressed.

But I would never buy another Piston gun again. I am a big fan of Noveske though, if you have a Noveske rifle for trade I will take you up onl your offer. </div></div>

Night shooting what? Berms at 50'? You talk about that rig as if it's a sub-moa shooter for precision work yet you have it set-up for doing close work?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And I love how you constantly talk about your consistent tight groups and skillful shooting, yet the only evidence you provide is you acting retarded and hitting a berm more than the target... </div></div>

I can post pictures but what's the use? I have 2 guys on here who has seen these tight groups shooting off a bench, fully supported by me with their own eyes. Do you want to talk to them?

Shooting is not rocket science, anyone can be accurate as long as you have a gun vises, a light trigger, and get a consistent cheek weld... even without a vise, shooting prone off a bipod and rear sandbag is also very easy for anyone, and anyone can do it.

I told 2 newby buddies (at the time they were new)..they could have same hole accuracy too. Just set up the gun, and learn to reload.. and guess what? They are doing it now!
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guess who Bartlein uses to chamber their barrels? </div></div>

Chamber my barrels with ammo? I can chamber my own barrels. How much do they charge to chamber the barrel? Do they show up at the range and charge you per round? </div></div>

Really? I have to explain to you what it means to have a smith chamber a blank? Do I also need to explain what contouring and threading is?
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And I love how you constantly talk about your consistent tight groups and skillful shooting, yet the only evidence you provide is you acting retarded and hitting a berm more than the target... </div></div>

I can post pictures but what's the use? I have 2 guys on here who has seen these tight groups shooting off a bench, fully supported by me with their own eyes. Do you want to talk to them?

Shooting is not rocket science, anyone can be accurate as long as you have a gun vises, a light trigger, and get a consistent cheek weld... even without a vise, shooting prone off a bipod and rear sandbag is also very easy for anyone, and anyone can do it.

I told 2 newby buddies (at the time they were new)..they could have same hole accuracy too. Just set up the gun, and learn to reload.. and guess what? They are doing it now! </div></div>

Rolmao... That statement sums up your expertise in this matter. You have none. It's not even worth arguing with you because if you really believe that bullshit then you're even more of a fucking retard than I thought.
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like lights on my guns. When I go night shooting, better to reach for one thing than 2... this way I never forget the lights.

I see, so I can expect to be called a Fuckin Idiot more in the future for my personal opinions. Can't wait! Especially from you. Will you be my friend?

As for my LWRC, not for sale, I like it enough to keep it. It has a nice barrel, and I have set up the way I like. My LWRC shoots just fine as long as I do not shoot it suppressed.

But I would never buy another Piston gun again. I am a big fan of Noveske though, if you have a Noveske rifle for trade I will take you up onl your offer. </div></div>

Night shooting what? Berms at 50'? You talk about that rig as if it's a sub-moa shooter for precision work yet you have it set-up for doing close work? </div></div>


We shoot night at both short and long distance. We leave a lattern close to the target so we can see it.. like this...

Here is short distance. My High School buddy that just retired from the Navy after 20 years.
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Here is how we shoot a target at long distance, we just shine a light on it.
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Those rifles are not my precision rigs. Most of these are my precision Rigs here:
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Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And I love how you constantly talk about your consistent tight groups and skillful shooting, yet the only evidence you provide is you acting retarded and hitting a berm more than the target... </div></div>

I can post pictures but what's the use? I have 2 guys on here who has seen these tight groups shooting off a bench, fully supported by me with their own eyes. Do you want to talk to them?

Shooting is not rocket science, anyone can be accurate as long as you have a gun vises, a light trigger, and get a consistent cheek weld... even without a vise, shooting prone off a bipod and rear sandbag is also very easy for anyone, and anyone can do it.

I told 2 newby buddies (at the time they were new)..they could have same hole accuracy too. Just set up the gun, and learn to reload.. and guess what? They are doing it now! </div></div>

Rolmao... That statement sums up your expertise in this matter. You have none. It's not even worth arguing with you because if you really believe that bullshit then you're even more of a fucking retard than I thought. </div></div>

Let me go shooting with you one of these days, and treat you to a beer afterwards.
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like lights on my guns. When I go night shooting, better to reach for one thing than 2... this way I never forget the lights.

I see, so I can expect to be called a Fuckin Idiot more in the future for my personal opinions. Can't wait! Especially from you. Will you be my friend?

As for my LWRC, not for sale, I like it enough to keep it. It has a nice barrel, and I have set up the way I like. My LWRC shoots just fine as long as I do not shoot it suppressed.

But I would never buy another Piston gun again. I am a big fan of Noveske though, if you have a Noveske rifle for trade I will take you up onl your offer. </div></div>

Night shooting what? Berms at 50'? You talk about that rig as if it's a sub-moa shooter for precision work yet you have it set-up for doing close work? </div></div>


We shoot night at both short and long distance. We leave a lattern close to the target so we can see it.. like this...

Here is short distance
IMG_1338-vi.jpg


Here is how we shoot a long distance target at long distance, we just shine a light on it.
IMG_1335-vi.jpg



Those rifles are not my precision rigs. Most of these are my precision Rigs here:
IMG_1255-vi.jpg
</div></div>

So let me get this right... You shoot long distance at a target with a lantern on it when you can't see the surrounding area or foreground? Sounds safe... And you're not shooting any of those rigs in the 1st photo, so how do you say you use it for precision work but it's not one of your precision rigs?
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So let me get this right... You shoot long distance at a target with a lantern on it when you can't see the surrounding area or foreground? Sounds safe... And you're not shooting any of those rigs in the 1st photo, so how do you say you use it for precision work but it's not one of your precision rigs? </div></div>

What so unsafe about shooting a target that is 300-1000 yards away? We can clearly see it in the scope. I know the surrounding area, it is up against a berm and there is only a mtn behind it.

What first photo are you talking about? My Noveske and LWRC are both about 1 MOA, if I use 2 MOA targets, as that gives me the best Point of Aim.
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Schillen/Rainer-Arms Ultra Match Barrels comes with the extension installed and price is only $395 complete.</div></div>

They're good barrels, I have a couple, one is nitrided the other might be later on. Difference between it and a GAP barrel would be cut rifling, chamber cut/finish with the reamer you want, contoured the way you want and headspaced the way you want. Most also headspace them tight as they think it improves accuracy a little bit.

But then, you probably know that and are just fucking with these guys for the hell of it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So let me get this right... You shoot long distance at a target with a lantern on it when you can't see the surrounding area or foreground? Sounds safe</div></div>

I'm pretty sure he's in Nevada, there are tons of places you can shoot 1k yards and be perfectly safe there, at any time of day or night.
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What so unsafe about shooting a target that is 300-1000 yards away? We can clearly see it in the scope. I know the surrounding area, it is up against a berm and there is only a mtn behind it.

What first photo are you talking about? My Noveske and LWRC are both about 1 MOA, if I use 2 MOA targets, as that gives me the best Point of Aim. </div></div>

Hopefully some idiot is wandering around in the desert and decides to walk over by your 1K yard target to see what it is.

As for the latter, so now you're saying you've been comparing a 1 MOA AR to sub-moa custom AR's? And I was referring to the exact post I quoted.
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So let me get this right... You shoot long distance at a target with a lantern on it when you can't see the surrounding area or foreground? Sounds safe</div></div>

I'm pretty sure he's in Nevada, there are tons of places you can shoot 1k yards and be perfectly safe there, at any time of day or night. </div></div>

Lol... Uh no... It's one thing if you're in a forced scenario, but when it comes to recreational shooting you should NEVER be shooting at anything that you can't see the immediate foreground or surrounding areas.
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Hopefully some idiot is wandering around in the desert and decides to walk over by your 1K yard target to see what it is.

As for the latter, so now you're saying you've been comparing a 1 MOA AR to sub-moa custom AR's? And I was referring to the exact post I quoted. </div></div>

I have no clue what you are trying to say anymore. I do not consider my AR15's precision guns. That is all I am saying.

How about some more night shooting?
Here is Mr. Riggs from the XCR Forum (He mfgr gun apps), this was during SHOT 2010. Subscribe to his site. We went out for beers afterwards.
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Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So let me get this right... You shoot long distance at a target with a lantern on it when you can't see the surrounding area or foreground? Sounds safe</div></div>

I'm pretty sure he's in Nevada, there are tons of places you can shoot 1k yards and be perfectly safe there, at any time of day or night. </div></div>

Lol... Uh no... It's one thing if you're in a forced scenario, but when it comes to recreational shooting you should NEVER be shooting at anything that you can't see the immediate foreground or surrounding areas. </div></div>

So happy to have a Safety Officer like you in my life. I don't know what the hell I did without you the past 30 years.

Don't let your personal views of the world stop you from making friends. Offer has no expiration date.
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So let me get this right... You shoot long distance at a target with a lantern on it when you can't see the surrounding area or foreground? Sounds safe</div></div>

I'm pretty sure he's in Nevada, there are tons of places you can shoot 1k yards and be perfectly safe there, at any time of day or night. </div></div>

Lol... Uh no... It's one thing if you're in a forced scenario, but when it comes to recreational shooting you should NEVER be shooting at anything that you can't see the immediate foreground or surrounding areas. </div></div>

So happy to have a Safety Officer like you in my life. I don't know what the hell I did without you the past 30 years. </div></div>

So safety is not an issue with you when firing a weapon? And you want me to go shooting with you? Lol...
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So safety is not an issue with you when firing a weapon? And you want me to go shooting with you? Lol... </div></div>

Safety is always number 1 with me. I might put myself in danger shooting steel close up, but I would not put others in danger.

You seem to be an expert in safety without scoping the area or even getting to know people.

What would forums do without Operators like yourself?
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Lol... Uh no... It's one thing if you're in a forced scenario, but when it comes to recreational shooting you should NEVER be shooting at anything that you can't see the immediate foreground or surrounding areas. </div></div>

So I guess my stories about rolling around Nowhere, NV with spotlights and ARs looking for coyotes to shoot at are a no-go?
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So safety is not an issue with you when firing a weapon? And you want me to go shooting with you? Lol... </div></div>

Safety is always number 1 with me. I might put myself in danger shooting steel close up, but I would not put others in danger.

You seem to be an expert in safety without scoping the area or even getting to know people.

What would forums do without Operators like yourself? </div></div>

It's a basic safety rule. It's one of the first things you teach a child or anyone else for that fact who's learning to shoot. And back to you're same old ammo of calling people an "operator" when they point out the fact your stupidity.
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Lol... Uh no... It's one thing if you're in a forced scenario, but when it comes to recreational shooting you should NEVER be shooting at anything that you can't see the immediate foreground or surrounding areas. </div></div>

So I guess my stories about rolling around Nowhere, NV with spotlights and ARs looking for coyotes to shoot at are a no-go? </div></div>

I don't consider hunting and target shooting to be the same thing, but I get your point... I'll concede that...
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So safety is not an issue with you when firing a weapon? And you want me to go shooting with you? Lol... </div></div>

Safety is always number 1 with me. I might put myself in danger shooting steel close up, but I would not put others in danger.

You seem to be an expert in safety without scoping the area or even getting to know people.

What would forums do without Operators like yourself? </div></div>

It's a basic safety rule. It's one of the first things you teach a child or anyone else for that fact who's learning to shoot. And back to you're same old ammo of calling people an "operator" when they point out the fact your stupidity. </div></div>

Trapped!!!!

I told Pachinko let's post videos of us doing mag dumps, running while firing (and missing the target), and shooting steel close and lets see how many operators will comment. hahahaaha.

Trapped!!!
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Lol... Uh no... It's one thing if you're in a forced scenario, but when it comes to recreational shooting you should NEVER be shooting at anything that you can't see the immediate foreground or surrounding areas. </div></div>

So I guess my stories about rolling around Nowhere, NV with spotlights and ARs looking for coyotes to shoot at are a no-go? </div></div>

I don't consider hunting and target shooting to be the same thing, but I get your point... I'll concede that... </div></div>

We use spot lights too, and hunt rabbits and coyotes in the dark also. To me that is much more dangerous than the Target shooting we do.
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Trapped!!!!

I told Pachinko let's post videos of us doing mag dumps, running while firing (and missing the target), and shooting steel close and lets see how many operators will comment. hahahaaha.

Trapped!!! </div></div>

It's like dealing with an 8 year old...

So, you're intentionally posting videos of stupidity and poor shooting to try and create disruption on a site intended to relay beneficial information to the public on shooting and it's discipline? What happened did you're World of Warcraft account get blocked?
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Trapped!!!!

I told Pachinko let's post videos of us doing mag dumps, running while firing (and missing the target), and shooting steel close and lets see how many operators will comment. hahahaaha.

Trapped!!! </div></div>

It's like dealing with an 8 year old...

So, you're intentionally posting videos of stupidity and poor shooting to try and create disruption on a site intended to relay beneficial information to the public on shooting and it's discipline? What happened did you're World of Warcraft account get blocked? </div></div>

Because we FUCKING IDIOTS! and we know the world is filled with COOL KIDS like you that will comment. We love Operators like you... actually operators like you is why I love gun forums so much. If you did not exist I would be bored of gun forums too (just like how I am bored of guns).
 
Re: Video of Bunch of Hobbyists at the Range (Idiots)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Trapped!!!!

I told Pachinko let's post videos of us doing mag dumps, running while firing (and missing the target), and shooting steel close and lets see how many operators will comment. hahahaaha.

Trapped!!! </div></div>

It's like dealing with an 8 year old...

So, you're intentionally posting videos of stupidity and poor shooting to try and create disruption on a site intended to relay beneficial information to the public on shooting and it's discipline? What happened did you're World of Warcraft account get blocked? </div></div>

Because we FUCKING IDIOTS! and we know the world is filled with COOL KIDS like you that will comment. We love Operators like you... actually operators like you is why I love gun forums so much. If you did not exist I would be bored of gun forums too (just like how I am bored of guns). </div></div>'

What's the "we" shit? Pachinko doesn't open his mouth and spew stupid shit. Now go fill out your profile dumbass so you can be within the rules to sell here...
 
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