So I really like their clothes from what I see. But their prices are out of this world, why so expensive? What lets them say hey we are going to price our clothes for this amount. What is comparable at a lower price point?
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Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
What makes them so expensive??
The fact that people are prepared to <span style="font-style: italic">PAY</span> those prices!!!
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What makes them so expensive??
The fact that people are prepared to <span style="font-style: italic">PAY</span> those prices!!!
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Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Paduan Learner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What makes them so expensive??
The fact that people are prepared to <span style="font-style: italic">PAY</span> those prices!!!
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I COULD shell out $800+ for a jacket but do I want to or need to? Nope. I could see paying $300 though. I am not a cheap ass either, I have a lot of $ invested in my AR.
Is the material that they use really awesome or ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Paduan Learner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What makes them so expensive??
The fact that people are prepared to <span style="font-style: italic">PAY</span> those prices!!!
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I COULD shell out $800+ for a jacket but do I want to or need to? Nope. I could see paying $300 though. I am not a cheap ass either, I have a lot of $ invested in my AR.
Is the material that they use really awesome or ?
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
Is the material that they use really awesome or ?
Yup, It's Unobtanium, specially blended with Kryptonite, just for them...
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Is the material that they use really awesome or ?
Yup, It's Unobtanium, specially blended with Kryptonite, just for them...
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Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
I really like and own several Dead Bird items. Are they nice and worth it, yes to me and for their intended purpose. Expensive, no doubt. But I also own and compare the quality to Otte Gear and Wild Things Tactical too. The items I own from them are NOT cheap, the quality is as good as it gets plus Otte Gear and WTT items are made in the USA and or assembled Canada.
Arcteryx used to be all Canadian but moved a lot of its manuf overseas but the quality is still great. They seem to be transitioning some of their manuf back to Canada though.
I pick and choose carefully what I buy from any company.
I really like and own several Dead Bird items. Are they nice and worth it, yes to me and for their intended purpose. Expensive, no doubt. But I also own and compare the quality to Otte Gear and Wild Things Tactical too. The items I own from them are NOT cheap, the quality is as good as it gets plus Otte Gear and WTT items are made in the USA and or assembled Canada.
Arcteryx used to be all Canadian but moved a lot of its manuf overseas but the quality is still great. They seem to be transitioning some of their manuf back to Canada though.
I pick and choose carefully what I buy from any company.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
I have an over 10 year old bright orange Arcteryx Gore Tex shell type jacket that I used to use for ice climbing and winter mountaineering. It shows very little wear and is very fuctional. Hoping to use it again sometime.
It is made in Canada and wears like iron.
I have an over 10 year old bright orange Arcteryx Gore Tex shell type jacket that I used to use for ice climbing and winter mountaineering. It shows very little wear and is very fuctional. Hoping to use it again sometime.
It is made in Canada and wears like iron.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
ArcTeryx is expensive, the quality of their equipment is great, but not remotely worth what they are charging. That being said, you should look to Mountain Hardwear, they make outdoor clothing that is better than ArxTeryx, and comes in at around Half the price. Mountain Hardwear however, does not have a tactical line, so you would be relegated to cherrypicking colors that work from their current lineup.
ArcTeryx is expensive, the quality of their equipment is great, but not remotely worth what they are charging. That being said, you should look to Mountain Hardwear, they make outdoor clothing that is better than ArxTeryx, and comes in at around Half the price. Mountain Hardwear however, does not have a tactical line, so you would be relegated to cherrypicking colors that work from their current lineup.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
In the industry we call it lots of "make" as in: "That's a great garment, but you designed in lots of make." It basically means that ArcTeryx designs in tons of extra manufacturing steps that really, really add up into the price. Look at the cuffs, hoods, pockets, etc. and compare it to something at a lower price. It is amazing how fast the costs roll up for each extra hood adjustment cord.
Some of the features that add up to the stupid high prices aren't necessary at all but the company knows that:
-There are many more people than you'd ever imagine willing to pay the price (as said above). We had a forecast for a certain ridiculously priced outdoor gear item and sold 4 TIMES what we thought we'd sell. The stupid thing is still selling like hotcakes and has very little, if any, advantage over lower priced options. But it looks cool, which is all that matters.
-The stupid high price item will drive others to buy the same brand, but a lower priced option.
There are all kinds of lower priced options that work really well, but I have a very early ArcTeryx shell, well over 10 years old, that I use all the time and it's as good as new. Just washed a bunch of deer blood off of it and out of the dryer it looks new. Amazing.
Lower price doesn't mean bad, just often means fewer manufacturing steps. The Red Ledge packable waterproof hunting clothing is way lower in price and it's bad at all, it's great stuff. Good designers can design a great garment at a reasonable price.
In the industry we call it lots of "make" as in: "That's a great garment, but you designed in lots of make." It basically means that ArcTeryx designs in tons of extra manufacturing steps that really, really add up into the price. Look at the cuffs, hoods, pockets, etc. and compare it to something at a lower price. It is amazing how fast the costs roll up for each extra hood adjustment cord.
Some of the features that add up to the stupid high prices aren't necessary at all but the company knows that:
-There are many more people than you'd ever imagine willing to pay the price (as said above). We had a forecast for a certain ridiculously priced outdoor gear item and sold 4 TIMES what we thought we'd sell. The stupid thing is still selling like hotcakes and has very little, if any, advantage over lower priced options. But it looks cool, which is all that matters.
-The stupid high price item will drive others to buy the same brand, but a lower priced option.
There are all kinds of lower priced options that work really well, but I have a very early ArcTeryx shell, well over 10 years old, that I use all the time and it's as good as new. Just washed a bunch of deer blood off of it and out of the dryer it looks new. Amazing.
Lower price doesn't mean bad, just often means fewer manufacturing steps. The Red Ledge packable waterproof hunting clothing is way lower in price and it's bad at all, it's great stuff. Good designers can design a great garment at a reasonable price.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
I've got a fair amount of ArcTeryx gear. Some dating back to 2006 and it still sees hard use and shows little to no wear. If I invested the kind of money that I did and did not receive that type of service life, I might say not worth it.
Arcteryx truly falls in to the buy once,cry once mentality as the service life of their gear is phenomenal.
The price that they demand is hard to swallow, but it has proven through time to be worth it. Is there other good kit available? Yes. Will it last as long as Arcteryx......only time can tell.
I have a buddy who bought one of the Chinese knock off soft shells who thought it was AS GOOD AS my Arcteryx at a fourth of the cost. 3 months later he found out otherwise.
I've got a fair amount of ArcTeryx gear. Some dating back to 2006 and it still sees hard use and shows little to no wear. If I invested the kind of money that I did and did not receive that type of service life, I might say not worth it.
Arcteryx truly falls in to the buy once,cry once mentality as the service life of their gear is phenomenal.
The price that they demand is hard to swallow, but it has proven through time to be worth it. Is there other good kit available? Yes. Will it last as long as Arcteryx......only time can tell.
I have a buddy who bought one of the Chinese knock off soft shells who thought it was AS GOOD AS my Arcteryx at a fourth of the cost. 3 months later he found out otherwise.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
ArcTeryx LEAF on sale through Monday. Now is the time to buy
25% off code STUFFED25
http://www.tacticaldistributors.com/Arc-teryx
and 30% off through Tue.
http://www.missionreadyequipment.com/clothing/on-sale?limit=all
The Dead Bird really is the best.
ArcTeryx LEAF on sale through Monday. Now is the time to buy
25% off code STUFFED25
http://www.tacticaldistributors.com/Arc-teryx
and 30% off through Tue.
http://www.missionreadyequipment.com/clothing/on-sale?limit=all
The Dead Bird really is the best.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
Why is McMillan so expensive?
Why is Schmidt & Bender so expensive?
Why is Lapua Brass so expensive?
Why is McMillan so expensive?
Why is Schmidt & Bender so expensive?
Why is Lapua Brass so expensive?
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lonely_Wolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is McMillan so expensive?
Why is Schmidt & Bender so expensive?
Why is Lapua Brass so expensive? </div></div>Interesting choice of products: Three completely different reasons for the high prices.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lonely_Wolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is McMillan so expensive?
Why is Schmidt & Bender so expensive?
Why is Lapua Brass so expensive? </div></div>Interesting choice of products: Three completely different reasons for the high prices.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LCJones</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ArcTeryx LEAF on sale through Monday. Now is the time to buy
25% off code STUFFED25
http://www.tacticaldistributors.com/Arc-teryx
and 30% off through Tue.
http://www.missionreadyequipment.com/clothing/on-sale?limit=all
The Dead Bird really is the best.</div></div>
Thanks for the links. Honestly, the best place I have found is ebay. I have been able to buy a ton of Leaf gear, usually for around 50% of retail.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LCJones</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ArcTeryx LEAF on sale through Monday. Now is the time to buy
25% off code STUFFED25
http://www.tacticaldistributors.com/Arc-teryx
and 30% off through Tue.
http://www.missionreadyequipment.com/clothing/on-sale?limit=all
The Dead Bird really is the best.</div></div>
Thanks for the links. Honestly, the best place I have found is ebay. I have been able to buy a ton of Leaf gear, usually for around 50% of retail.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LCJones</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ArcTeryx LEAF on sale through Monday. Now is the time to buy
25% off code STUFFED25
http://www.tacticaldistributors.com/Arc-teryx
and 30% off through Tue.
http://www.missionreadyequipment.com/clothing/on-sale?limit=all
The Dead Bird really is the best. </div></div>
STUFFED25 isn't working. Says its not valid.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LCJones</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ArcTeryx LEAF on sale through Monday. Now is the time to buy
25% off code STUFFED25
http://www.tacticaldistributors.com/Arc-teryx
and 30% off through Tue.
http://www.missionreadyequipment.com/clothing/on-sale?limit=all
The Dead Bird really is the best. </div></div>
STUFFED25 isn't working. Says its not valid.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bward</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Thanks for the links. Honestly, the best place I have found is ebay. I have been able to buy a ton of Leaf gear, usually for around 50% of retail. </div></div>
Yea but is it real or is it Memorex?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bward</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Thanks for the links. Honestly, the best place I have found is ebay. I have been able to buy a ton of Leaf gear, usually for around 50% of retail. </div></div>
Yea but is it real or is it Memorex?
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
One other company (also expensive) that belongs in a similar vein as Arc' Teryx is BeyondFleece now known as Beyond Clothing. http://beyondclothing.com/ They are pretty fair prices if Arc' Teryx is something you consider fair and with Beyond you get to input your exact measurements and they cut a jacket exact to your measurements. If the jacket arrives and something about the fit isn't exactly what you wanted... You just mail that jacket back and they'll make you another one with the minor tweaks and improvements you wanted. I first found them when I went to one of their sales and I got a really good deal on one of these returned jackets. I've since bought a rain jacket from them and loved being able to specify a good fit in the shoulders while also getting the longer tail to overlap my pants. I also usually never find that jackets that fit me well in the shoulders have long enough arms. With these guys that is never an issue. I like to be able to reach out in front of me and still have the jacket end at my wrists. With this jacket that is just what I get.
One other company (also expensive) that belongs in a similar vein as Arc' Teryx is BeyondFleece now known as Beyond Clothing. http://beyondclothing.com/ They are pretty fair prices if Arc' Teryx is something you consider fair and with Beyond you get to input your exact measurements and they cut a jacket exact to your measurements. If the jacket arrives and something about the fit isn't exactly what you wanted... You just mail that jacket back and they'll make you another one with the minor tweaks and improvements you wanted. I first found them when I went to one of their sales and I got a really good deal on one of these returned jackets. I've since bought a rain jacket from them and loved being able to specify a good fit in the shoulders while also getting the longer tail to overlap my pants. I also usually never find that jackets that fit me well in the shoulders have long enough arms. With these guys that is never an issue. I like to be able to reach out in front of me and still have the jacket end at my wrists. With this jacket that is just what I get.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
I'd throw Sitka Gear into the same group as well. They list the fabrics/materials used; Gore-tex, Windstopper, Primaloft, and Polyester just to name a few. These are not Sitka produced materials. They are materials that are produced by many different companys under many different names, not withstanding Cabelas, Bass-pro, North Face, LL bean, Patagonia, Mountain Hardwear (and many, many more) use the exact same materials. Sitka is selling sizzle, but, its the same old steak.
The question with sitka and others is do you really need that type of clothing for your intended purpose?
I'd throw Sitka Gear into the same group as well. They list the fabrics/materials used; Gore-tex, Windstopper, Primaloft, and Polyester just to name a few. These are not Sitka produced materials. They are materials that are produced by many different companys under many different names, not withstanding Cabelas, Bass-pro, North Face, LL bean, Patagonia, Mountain Hardwear (and many, many more) use the exact same materials. Sitka is selling sizzle, but, its the same old steak.
The question with sitka and others is do you really need that type of clothing for your intended purpose?
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
When you spend entire days out in the elements in the winter in Oregon you need holy shit rain proofness. Then if you plan on doing this for more than a year and still have that water proofness you need some quality kit.
When you spend entire days out in the elements in the winter in Oregon you need holy shit rain proofness. Then if you plan on doing this for more than a year and still have that water proofness you need some quality kit.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dylan Griffith</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ArcTeryx is expensive, the quality of their equipment is great, but not remotely worth what they are charging. That being said, you should look to Mountain Hardwear, they make outdoor clothing that is better than ArxTeryx, and comes in at around Half the price.</div></div>
Mountain Hardwear is not half the price of Arc'Teryx, it's priced very similarly.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dylan Griffith</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ArcTeryx is expensive, the quality of their equipment is great, but not remotely worth what they are charging. That being said, you should look to Mountain Hardwear, they make outdoor clothing that is better than ArxTeryx, and comes in at around Half the price.</div></div>
Mountain Hardwear is not half the price of Arc'Teryx, it's priced very similarly.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
Precisely my friend,
For an afternoon of treestand hunting whitetails I would say the answer is no; for a week of elk hunting in the rockies it would sure can come in handy. Either way its top notch gear and should last a long time just a inital hard price to swallow.
Precisely my friend,
For an afternoon of treestand hunting whitetails I would say the answer is no; for a week of elk hunting in the rockies it would sure can come in handy. Either way its top notch gear and should last a long time just a inital hard price to swallow.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
It all boils down to the number of processing steps in the manufacturing(mentioned earlier), material, and brand. People too often look at material and assume it's the same as another simply because they feel the same when in fact one may be a basic 3-harness weave and another may be gaberdine etc. What you can't see is also often where some of the most important work is done i.e. the interior stitching of the garment and the lining. Some companies fuse a lining and others actually float it which is better. Combine all of it and then slap a brand on and you get a high cost garment. You are though also paying for branding no matter what anyone says. Most people think that's retarded but it does serve a purpose. Branding included reputation and warranty which is what sells a product. The better the reputation and warranty the higher cost of branding.
It all boils down to the number of processing steps in the manufacturing(mentioned earlier), material, and brand. People too often look at material and assume it's the same as another simply because they feel the same when in fact one may be a basic 3-harness weave and another may be gaberdine etc. What you can't see is also often where some of the most important work is done i.e. the interior stitching of the garment and the lining. Some companies fuse a lining and others actually float it which is better. Combine all of it and then slap a brand on and you get a high cost garment. You are though also paying for branding no matter what anyone says. Most people think that's retarded but it does serve a purpose. Branding included reputation and warranty which is what sells a product. The better the reputation and warranty the higher cost of branding.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bh-ltr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bward</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Thanks for the links. Honestly, the best place I have found is ebay. I have been able to buy a ton of Leaf gear, usually for around 50% of retail. </div></div>
Yea but is it real or is it Memorex?</div></div>
So far 100% real. I have buddies with the same items purchased from various retailers to compare it to.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bh-ltr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bward</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Thanks for the links. Honestly, the best place I have found is ebay. I have been able to buy a ton of Leaf gear, usually for around 50% of retail. </div></div>
Yea but is it real or is it Memorex?</div></div>
So far 100% real. I have buddies with the same items purchased from various retailers to compare it to.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
$45 for a pair of boxer shorts... thats the funniest shit i have seen all day...
$45 for a pair of boxer shorts... thats the funniest shit i have seen all day...
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
I like the "buy once/cry once" mentioned earlier. Good stuff costs good money. I research user feedback all the time so the next piece of kit I buy is top notch in user feedback, not just price.
I like the "buy once/cry once" mentioned earlier. Good stuff costs good money. I research user feedback all the time so the next piece of kit I buy is top notch in user feedback, not just price.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
I think where you live or AO should dictate the gear you need, in north TEXAS I see no need to buy Alaska wilderness survival gear, my fat ass ain't gonna climb Everast either, but if I was to transverse to an area where such gear was needed I would buy it.
I think where you live or AO should dictate the gear you need, in north TEXAS I see no need to buy Alaska wilderness survival gear, my fat ass ain't gonna climb Everast either, but if I was to transverse to an area where such gear was needed I would buy it.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mt Al</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the "buy once/cry once" mentioned earlier. Good stuff costs good money. I research user feedback all the time so the next piece of kit I buy is top notch in user feedback, not just price. </div></div>
YES, <span style="font-style: italic">GOOD</span> stuff costs money, hence the Schmit&Bender / Lapua reference earlier. but BRAND costs money too.
You think Abbercrombie & Fitch or Hollister is WAY better than any other high street fashion, just because it costs more??
Negative my friends. It's mostly all produced in the same factory in China. BUT, in the mind of the buyer.....
Most of the comments I've seen in support of Arc'Teryx are "my 10 year old.....blah....." Big question is this;
Yes, their old stuff is good, but what about their new stuff? Where is THAT made? Does it come out of that same factory in China as any of 10 other brands?
Now, I'm not cheap about certain equipment. I pay top dollar for genuine Oakleys, and chronometers, but these are the tools of my trade, and you don't scrimp on the tools of your trade.
But a waterproof jacket? I'll buy surplus (unissued/unused) and risk re-proofing it, as I reckon that the govmnt will spend a shit-ton on R&D, and NOT care about the label, or <span style="font-style: italic">BRAND</span> they are buying. Sure, they'll put it out to tender and the lowest price wins, but they are getting a FUNCTIONAL garment, at a sensible price.
Bottom line is this..... If you like Arc'Teryx, and are prepared to PAY for the BRAND, then go ahead. But consider this...
My buddy runs a gun store, he says that if he puts a "tactical" label on any old Remington 870, he can charge TWICE the price.
Are SEALS running around in Arc'Teryx gear, or are they running around in issue kit? I don't know, but I'd be prepared to bet. I know what the SAS are using.
When something reaches a certain price point, it generates a whole mythology of it's own (Substitute your favorite product/predjudice here). Is it worth it? In the mind of the buyer, probably yes. For the rest of us...? I'm not so sure.
Gear that WAS good 10 years ago may, OR may not be good now, but some gear is living on past reputations.
In the end, check out the gear yourself, look at the alternatives, decide what works FOR YOU, in your environment, and <span style="font-weight: bold">Caveat Emptor</span> (Let the buyer beware!)
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mt Al</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the "buy once/cry once" mentioned earlier. Good stuff costs good money. I research user feedback all the time so the next piece of kit I buy is top notch in user feedback, not just price. </div></div>
YES, <span style="font-style: italic">GOOD</span> stuff costs money, hence the Schmit&Bender / Lapua reference earlier. but BRAND costs money too.
You think Abbercrombie & Fitch or Hollister is WAY better than any other high street fashion, just because it costs more??
Negative my friends. It's mostly all produced in the same factory in China. BUT, in the mind of the buyer.....
Most of the comments I've seen in support of Arc'Teryx are "my 10 year old.....blah....." Big question is this;
Yes, their old stuff is good, but what about their new stuff? Where is THAT made? Does it come out of that same factory in China as any of 10 other brands?
Now, I'm not cheap about certain equipment. I pay top dollar for genuine Oakleys, and chronometers, but these are the tools of my trade, and you don't scrimp on the tools of your trade.
But a waterproof jacket? I'll buy surplus (unissued/unused) and risk re-proofing it, as I reckon that the govmnt will spend a shit-ton on R&D, and NOT care about the label, or <span style="font-style: italic">BRAND</span> they are buying. Sure, they'll put it out to tender and the lowest price wins, but they are getting a FUNCTIONAL garment, at a sensible price.
Bottom line is this..... If you like Arc'Teryx, and are prepared to PAY for the BRAND, then go ahead. But consider this...
My buddy runs a gun store, he says that if he puts a "tactical" label on any old Remington 870, he can charge TWICE the price.
Are SEALS running around in Arc'Teryx gear, or are they running around in issue kit? I don't know, but I'd be prepared to bet. I know what the SAS are using.
When something reaches a certain price point, it generates a whole mythology of it's own (Substitute your favorite product/predjudice here). Is it worth it? In the mind of the buyer, probably yes. For the rest of us...? I'm not so sure.
Gear that WAS good 10 years ago may, OR may not be good now, but some gear is living on past reputations.
In the end, check out the gear yourself, look at the alternatives, decide what works FOR YOU, in your environment, and <span style="font-weight: bold">Caveat Emptor</span> (Let the buyer beware!)
N
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
5 years ago, when Arc'Teryx was produced solely in Canada, I would say yes their apparel and technical wear was worth it. When they decided to start producing their gear offshore in Asia I moved on. I still wear my old Arc stuff with pride-and it keeps on going.... I guess no one can afford to produce their stuff locally anymore.
5 years ago, when Arc'Teryx was produced solely in Canada, I would say yes their apparel and technical wear was worth it. When they decided to start producing their gear offshore in Asia I moved on. I still wear my old Arc stuff with pride-and it keeps on going.... I guess no one can afford to produce their stuff locally anymore.
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The Beyond Clothing guys that I mentioned before are made in Seattle (which still kinda annoys me). They used to be in Eugene, OR (my home town) and it was cool to drop by and be able to check out the operation. Apparently they've grown up and now they are in Seattle. Granted they're probably not paying top dollar for employees but the people that I talked to when I was visiting the shop were happy and had been there for a while so they aren't treating them like crap. My jacket from them is the best fitting jacket I've ever owned and it still looks fairly new 8 years on. I'm sure it'll still look just as good in another 8 years and its something I wear every day. If I were to lose my cold fusion jacket I'd go order another one the next day.
The Beyond Clothing guys that I mentioned before are made in Seattle (which still kinda annoys me). They used to be in Eugene, OR (my home town) and it was cool to drop by and be able to check out the operation. Apparently they've grown up and now they are in Seattle. Granted they're probably not paying top dollar for employees but the people that I talked to when I was visiting the shop were happy and had been there for a while so they aren't treating them like crap. My jacket from them is the best fitting jacket I've ever owned and it still looks fairly new 8 years on. I'm sure it'll still look just as good in another 8 years and its something I wear every day. If I were to lose my cold fusion jacket I'd go order another one the next day.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Paduan Learner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But a waterproof jacket? I'll buy surplus (unissued/unused) and risk re-proofing it, as I reckon that the govmnt will spend a shit-ton on R&D, and NOT care about the label, or <span style="font-style: italic">BRAND</span> they are buying. Sure, they'll put it out to tender and the lowest price wins, but they are getting a FUNCTIONAL garment, at a sensible price.
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I'm researching the reviews on the ridgeback as a new water proof layer to wear over my cold fusion and in looking for that I came across this thread... This fits well with what you're saying:
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/55849-Beyond-Clothing-LLC
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Paduan Learner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But a waterproof jacket? I'll buy surplus (unissued/unused) and risk re-proofing it, as I reckon that the govmnt will spend a shit-ton on R&D, and NOT care about the label, or <span style="font-style: italic">BRAND</span> they are buying. Sure, they'll put it out to tender and the lowest price wins, but they are getting a FUNCTIONAL garment, at a sensible price.
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I'm researching the reviews on the ridgeback as a new water proof layer to wear over my cold fusion and in looking for that I came across this thread... This fits well with what you're saying:
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/55849-Beyond-Clothing-LLC
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
This came up on another forum, regarding another company's choice to move production of certain softshells and other garments over seas. The answer given was that some of the manufacturing processes were no longer available in America, their only choice was to outsource. I want to say it had to do with seam-taping, or something like that. They couldn't get an American company to do it, so they had to move to Canada and eventually to the Far East. Most of these high end companies still have very strict quality control of their garments made overseas, to include Arcteryx.
The manufacturing process has already been mentioned, but there are also considerable differences between the materials. For those that don't know, Gore-Tex is only one part of a waterproof garment. Most Gore-Tex garments have several layers, and the different materials used in front of and behind the membrane make huge differences in moisture control, weight and durability. Arcteryx spends lots of money in R&D on these materials, and the durability and effectiveness of their garments has convinced many of us that it's worth it.
For me, it was the same rationale I used when I bought my AI. I could have bought a Remington and wondered if it would be good enough, instead I bought my AI and I know it will be good enough. If you want to buy mil surplus gear and wonder if it will keep you dry/warm, go ahead. I will buy Arcteryx and I know I will be dry and warm.
This came up on another forum, regarding another company's choice to move production of certain softshells and other garments over seas. The answer given was that some of the manufacturing processes were no longer available in America, their only choice was to outsource. I want to say it had to do with seam-taping, or something like that. They couldn't get an American company to do it, so they had to move to Canada and eventually to the Far East. Most of these high end companies still have very strict quality control of their garments made overseas, to include Arcteryx.
The manufacturing process has already been mentioned, but there are also considerable differences between the materials. For those that don't know, Gore-Tex is only one part of a waterproof garment. Most Gore-Tex garments have several layers, and the different materials used in front of and behind the membrane make huge differences in moisture control, weight and durability. Arcteryx spends lots of money in R&D on these materials, and the durability and effectiveness of their garments has convinced many of us that it's worth it.
For me, it was the same rationale I used when I bought my AI. I could have bought a Remington and wondered if it would be good enough, instead I bought my AI and I know it will be good enough. If you want to buy mil surplus gear and wonder if it will keep you dry/warm, go ahead. I will buy Arcteryx and I know I will be dry and warm.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
To give a less sarcastic response than my last- and not meaning to be an ass- I you cant afford it don't buy it. Some of us can't afford not to buy it.
In no particular order- between climbing, hiking, camping, and hunting, certain pieces of my wardrobe see heavy and abrasive four season use. My Beta AR had has been through everything imaginable and still looks new. When my first one started to delaminate I brought it to the store to show them and they replaced it with a brand new model no questions asked. Keep in mind the jacket had seen years of abuse but was still completely weather proof. The delamination was superficial to say the least, yet they still replaced it. My new one is still going strong years later. I strongly believe my money was well spent.
Same for my boots. I spend serious cash on boots because I've learned it is cheaper than having to buy a new pair every year.
All that being said, do I think an Arc'Teryx cotton tshirt is worth thirty odd dollars? No, of course not. That is 'brand' marketing. Of course they can do that because other products they manufacture have earned them a valid reputation.
To give a less sarcastic response than my last- and not meaning to be an ass- I you cant afford it don't buy it. Some of us can't afford not to buy it.
In no particular order- between climbing, hiking, camping, and hunting, certain pieces of my wardrobe see heavy and abrasive four season use. My Beta AR had has been through everything imaginable and still looks new. When my first one started to delaminate I brought it to the store to show them and they replaced it with a brand new model no questions asked. Keep in mind the jacket had seen years of abuse but was still completely weather proof. The delamination was superficial to say the least, yet they still replaced it. My new one is still going strong years later. I strongly believe my money was well spent.
Same for my boots. I spend serious cash on boots because I've learned it is cheaper than having to buy a new pair every year.
All that being said, do I think an Arc'Teryx cotton tshirt is worth thirty odd dollars? No, of course not. That is 'brand' marketing. Of course they can do that because other products they manufacture have earned them a valid reputation.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
They've gained a name in the industry and that's mostly what you're paying for.
I've got a olive drab hard shell made by Oakley that I got off a clearence rack at Macy's for $30 because someone stole the liner out of it. I'll put it up against either of my similar jackets from TAD or Arcteryx and in fact, when the weather gets cold and wet, I grab it first.
I cherry pick from manufacturers exactly what I want and I bide my time online to find great deals.
I snatched an Arcteryx Covert hoody off eBay for $90.00 two months ago. Nice fleece hoody, but there's no way in hell I'd pay the $250 retail price for one.
They've gained a name in the industry and that's mostly what you're paying for.
I've got a olive drab hard shell made by Oakley that I got off a clearence rack at Macy's for $30 because someone stole the liner out of it. I'll put it up against either of my similar jackets from TAD or Arcteryx and in fact, when the weather gets cold and wet, I grab it first.
I cherry pick from manufacturers exactly what I want and I bide my time online to find great deals.
I snatched an Arcteryx Covert hoody off eBay for $90.00 two months ago. Nice fleece hoody, but there's no way in hell I'd pay the $250 retail price for one.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SSSamurai</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This came up on another forum, regarding another company's choice to move production of certain softshells and other garments over seas. The answer given was that some of the manufacturing processes were no longer available in America, their only choice was to outsource. I want to say it had to do with seam-taping, or something like that. They couldn't get an American company to do it, so they had to move to Canada and eventually to the Far East. Most of these high end companies still have very strict quality control of their garments made overseas, to include Arcteryx.
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That was TAD Gear, another similar company that has a higher asking price than most of the competitionn...mainly because they put out a good product and Condor and a bunch of airsoft companies copy their gear and sell their own version for $50. It's hard to keep a textile company alive in America. Who really wants to work those types of repetitive factory jobs for low pay? I have TAD Gear, both US and Chinese made and they're both equally well-made in my opinion. I have their $100 cargos which are still made in the USA and fit great.
The only downside is loyalty is very fleeting in China when you have contracts there. Once they have the patterns for production, clones of the original brand tend to mysteriously pop up on the market under knockoff names. Hell, I've seen knockoff 5.11 gear being sold on the open Tung Choi Street vendors in Hong Kong called "9.11 Gear".
The fit on these types of garments tend to be a bit more critical. Most people today like to wear their clothes a size or two on the big side. For folks that need close-fitting active wear garments, the fit tends to be tighter and this is where you start running into issues with clothing bunching up, limiting mobility, or simply too loose. My brother has Arc/TAD inspired copies. The finish and fit are nowhere near my the originals and the patterns are sloppier (lower arm holes, the cut isn't as free-moving, etc). Sometimes you get what you pay for. Sometimes you pay a little extra for the name. Sometimes you pay a little extra for country of origin. I still buy US-made Danner boots and they're worth it to me. You can't even resole most boots nowadays.
$30 cotton tee's are silly. There are some $50 and $100 cotton tees out there too. Those are profit buffers for the company that want to cater to folks that like the brand loyalty but don't want to walk around wearing a hardshell on a sunny day. I will say that a Smartwool merino wool tee was worth every penny though, despite being overpriced.
Word of irony. Oakleys are riding on the same type of marketing to maintain brand worthiness and the appearance of exclusivity, along the lines of Grey Goose or similar marketing powerhouses. The markup is over 50 cents on the dollar. They're owned by a giant fashion eyewear conglomerate called Luxottica. They're still making a profit when they sell them to the military at half the typical consumer pricing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SSSamurai</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This came up on another forum, regarding another company's choice to move production of certain softshells and other garments over seas. The answer given was that some of the manufacturing processes were no longer available in America, their only choice was to outsource. I want to say it had to do with seam-taping, or something like that. They couldn't get an American company to do it, so they had to move to Canada and eventually to the Far East. Most of these high end companies still have very strict quality control of their garments made overseas, to include Arcteryx.
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That was TAD Gear, another similar company that has a higher asking price than most of the competitionn...mainly because they put out a good product and Condor and a bunch of airsoft companies copy their gear and sell their own version for $50. It's hard to keep a textile company alive in America. Who really wants to work those types of repetitive factory jobs for low pay? I have TAD Gear, both US and Chinese made and they're both equally well-made in my opinion. I have their $100 cargos which are still made in the USA and fit great.
The only downside is loyalty is very fleeting in China when you have contracts there. Once they have the patterns for production, clones of the original brand tend to mysteriously pop up on the market under knockoff names. Hell, I've seen knockoff 5.11 gear being sold on the open Tung Choi Street vendors in Hong Kong called "9.11 Gear".
The fit on these types of garments tend to be a bit more critical. Most people today like to wear their clothes a size or two on the big side. For folks that need close-fitting active wear garments, the fit tends to be tighter and this is where you start running into issues with clothing bunching up, limiting mobility, or simply too loose. My brother has Arc/TAD inspired copies. The finish and fit are nowhere near my the originals and the patterns are sloppier (lower arm holes, the cut isn't as free-moving, etc). Sometimes you get what you pay for. Sometimes you pay a little extra for the name. Sometimes you pay a little extra for country of origin. I still buy US-made Danner boots and they're worth it to me. You can't even resole most boots nowadays.
$30 cotton tee's are silly. There are some $50 and $100 cotton tees out there too. Those are profit buffers for the company that want to cater to folks that like the brand loyalty but don't want to walk around wearing a hardshell on a sunny day. I will say that a Smartwool merino wool tee was worth every penny though, despite being overpriced.
Word of irony. Oakleys are riding on the same type of marketing to maintain brand worthiness and the appearance of exclusivity, along the lines of Grey Goose or similar marketing powerhouses. The markup is over 50 cents on the dollar. They're owned by a giant fashion eyewear conglomerate called Luxottica. They're still making a profit when they sell them to the military at half the typical consumer pricing.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lonely_Wolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is McMillan so expensive?
Why is Schmidt & Bender so expensive?
Why is Lapua Brass so expensive?
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I don't believe any of the above mentioned companies have their assembly done in taiwan, vietnam, or china. I believe the older stuff produced in North America was probably good stuff, but I would never shell out that kind of coin for crap possibly put together by 15 year old asian kids. I WOULD however, not hesitate to pay a premium price for a product produced over here FWIW. I used to wear Doc Martins (made in UK) until they shipped mfg to china, now they want me to pay the same price for something I KNOW they pay less to produce? No thanks.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lonely_Wolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is McMillan so expensive?
Why is Schmidt & Bender so expensive?
Why is Lapua Brass so expensive?
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I don't believe any of the above mentioned companies have their assembly done in taiwan, vietnam, or china. I believe the older stuff produced in North America was probably good stuff, but I would never shell out that kind of coin for crap possibly put together by 15 year old asian kids. I WOULD however, not hesitate to pay a premium price for a product produced over here FWIW. I used to wear Doc Martins (made in UK) until they shipped mfg to china, now they want me to pay the same price for something I KNOW they pay less to produce? No thanks.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
I think Beyond Clothing was purchased by ATK or BAE. Good guys, glad they made some scratch. They were always at SOFIC and custom cut for some dudes who didn't meet regular garment grading/sizing charts.
Great gear but doesn't fit everyone who sends their measurements in: be advised.
I think Beyond Clothing was purchased by ATK or BAE. Good guys, glad they made some scratch. They were always at SOFIC and custom cut for some dudes who didn't meet regular garment grading/sizing charts.
Great gear but doesn't fit everyone who sends their measurements in: be advised.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
Here in the Rockies (i.e. Denver metro, Salt Lake City, ski resort towns, etc.) all the gronola munching, Subaru driving (with Obama stickers), possers all wear Mountain Hardware gear. You know, the type that never set foot beyond the turnout on the side of the road. They are the type of people who spend money on high end outdoor gear, just for the label.
Here in the Rockies (i.e. Denver metro, Salt Lake City, ski resort towns, etc.) all the gronola munching, Subaru driving (with Obama stickers), possers all wear Mountain Hardware gear. You know, the type that never set foot beyond the turnout on the side of the road. They are the type of people who spend money on high end outdoor gear, just for the label.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Paduan Learner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are SEALS running around in Arc'Teryx gear, or are they running around in issue kit? I don't know, but I'd be prepared to bet. I know what the SAS are using. </div></div>
Arcteryx and Patagonia are the issued kit for some of those boys.
I believe the Arcteryx ProShell gear is worth every penny when you need to stay warm and dry. Their combination of materials, design, and construction have been the only hard shells that last more than one season of guiding.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Paduan Learner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are SEALS running around in Arc'Teryx gear, or are they running around in issue kit? I don't know, but I'd be prepared to bet. I know what the SAS are using. </div></div>
Arcteryx and Patagonia are the issued kit for some of those boys.
I believe the Arcteryx ProShell gear is worth every penny when you need to stay warm and dry. Their combination of materials, design, and construction have been the only hard shells that last more than one season of guiding.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
I've found being patient and waiting for good sales allows me to get what I want at a fair price be it arcteryx or tad. I have both and really like both. I live in Seattle area ( i know...gag) and they work great for my climate. Drizzle 300 days a year. You don't have to pay retail with a little effort and patience
I've found being patient and waiting for good sales allows me to get what I want at a fair price be it arcteryx or tad. I have both and really like both. I live in Seattle area ( i know...gag) and they work great for my climate. Drizzle 300 days a year. You don't have to pay retail with a little effort and patience
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
Yea but even on ultra King Kong sale a Goretex Pro shell is SPENDY! 650 bucks is what pretty much everyone is charging for a Goretex Pro shell...
Yea but even on ultra King Kong sale a Goretex Pro shell is SPENDY! 650 bucks is what pretty much everyone is charging for a Goretex Pro shell...
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bh-ltr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea but even on ultra King Kong sale a Goretex Pro shell is SPENDY! 650 bucks is what pretty much everyone is charging for a Goretex Pro shell... </div></div>
You're right about that. I never said it would be cheap, just better than paying retail.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bh-ltr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea but even on ultra King Kong sale a Goretex Pro shell is SPENDY! 650 bucks is what pretty much everyone is charging for a Goretex Pro shell... </div></div>
You're right about that. I never said it would be cheap, just better than paying retail.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
agreed!
There is a good price on a hybrid at REI right now. Its Goretex Pro on the shoulders where it counts and then they used their older Paclite material on the field of the jacket:
http://www.rei.com/product/837221/arcteryx-alpha-sl-hybrid-jacket-mens
Edit: Guess I could add I do have experience with this jacket. I was doing a practice emergency communications session called field day in an absolute torrential down pour. I spent an entire 10 hour day setting up towers, shooting wires through trees, hauling generators, setting up wall tents and hauling and setting up electronic equipment.
There was a lot of back and forth and up and down the hill to carry things out. The climbing of towers was energy excercition. Also putting a hex beam antenna on a push up mast took a good bit of effort. I ended up being the guy who lifted the pole segments.
Anyway thought all of this it was pretty well constantly pouring down rain. I had this jacket and a nice set of eVent pants from REI. When it was said and done I was totally try on my layer inside the shells. There was only a very minor bit of wetness inside from condensation. The fact that I wasn't SOAKING was a testament to the Goretex materials.
Ok I'm going to quit writing this and just go to bed. I apologize for those who read through this as it was impressive to spend 10 hours in pouring rain working my ass off and to be confortable inside. Ok the Ambien is totally kicked in and I'm pretty much completley drukn on sleep meds... Night all!
agreed!
There is a good price on a hybrid at REI right now. Its Goretex Pro on the shoulders where it counts and then they used their older Paclite material on the field of the jacket:
http://www.rei.com/product/837221/arcteryx-alpha-sl-hybrid-jacket-mens
Edit: Guess I could add I do have experience with this jacket. I was doing a practice emergency communications session called field day in an absolute torrential down pour. I spent an entire 10 hour day setting up towers, shooting wires through trees, hauling generators, setting up wall tents and hauling and setting up electronic equipment.
There was a lot of back and forth and up and down the hill to carry things out. The climbing of towers was energy excercition. Also putting a hex beam antenna on a push up mast took a good bit of effort. I ended up being the guy who lifted the pole segments.
Anyway thought all of this it was pretty well constantly pouring down rain. I had this jacket and a nice set of eVent pants from REI. When it was said and done I was totally try on my layer inside the shells. There was only a very minor bit of wetness inside from condensation. The fact that I wasn't SOAKING was a testament to the Goretex materials.
Ok I'm going to quit writing this and just go to bed. I apologize for those who read through this as it was impressive to spend 10 hours in pouring rain working my ass off and to be confortable inside. Ok the Ambien is totally kicked in and I'm pretty much completley drukn on sleep meds... Night all!
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
When these high level "tactical clothing" companies figure out that some of us are over 6'2" and start to cut tall sizes for our ape like arms, maybe I'll drop the coin on their gear. Until then I think they believe we're all midgets!
Most of my jackets are Carhartt or Cabela's because they know Americans are actually tall. I refuse to buy a jacket that the sleeves go half way up my forearms whenever I reach for something.
When these high level "tactical clothing" companies figure out that some of us are over 6'2" and start to cut tall sizes for our ape like arms, maybe I'll drop the coin on their gear. Until then I think they believe we're all midgets!
Most of my jackets are Carhartt or Cabela's because they know Americans are actually tall. I refuse to buy a jacket that the sleeves go half way up my forearms whenever I reach for something.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
I ended up picking this up, I think it will fit my needs
http://www.ottegear.com/catalog-detail.php?p=57
I ended up picking this up, I think it will fit my needs
http://www.ottegear.com/catalog-detail.php?p=57
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
Out of interest is there any (valid) reason why Arc'Teryx restrict sales of their LEAF product to LE/GOV/MIL ?
I can see that it looks to be a well thought out product, but can't see an item of clothing having features which would restrict it in sales to a specific market - granted a specific market may find the features more useful/only relevant to them, but to actually restrict sales ?
I've got a couple of Goretex shells and like them (not Arc'teryx), but find that where the velcro pads rub against the cloth, baubling has started to occur which is annoying after only 1.5 years of use ...
Out of interest is there any (valid) reason why Arc'Teryx restrict sales of their LEAF product to LE/GOV/MIL ?
I can see that it looks to be a well thought out product, but can't see an item of clothing having features which would restrict it in sales to a specific market - granted a specific market may find the features more useful/only relevant to them, but to actually restrict sales ?
I've got a couple of Goretex shells and like them (not Arc'teryx), but find that where the velcro pads rub against the cloth, baubling has started to occur which is annoying after only 1.5 years of use ...
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
The Leaf line can be bought by anyone.
The Leaf line can be bought by anyone.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
Wow - interesting - so you guys don't have this restriction (at the bottom of the page ?)
http://shop.edgarbrothers.com/pages/Alpha-Jacket1.aspx?deptid=5290
(Apologies in advance if posting this link is not allowed - it's not meant as an ad - just demonstrating my point)
Wow - interesting - so you guys don't have this restriction (at the bottom of the page ?)
http://shop.edgarbrothers.com/pages/Alpha-Jacket1.aspx?deptid=5290
(Apologies in advance if posting this link is not allowed - it's not meant as an ad - just demonstrating my point)
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
I have visited the Arcteryx offices in Vancouver, gotten a complete tour, and am a convert. I have TAD, North Face, Mountain Hardware, etc and AT LEAF makes superior stuff IMO. It is expensive, but it works and the amount of innovation that goes into it is super impressive. If you can't afford it, or don't choose to, then don't buy it.
BTW-REI is not friendly to the shooting community.
I have visited the Arcteryx offices in Vancouver, gotten a complete tour, and am a convert. I have TAD, North Face, Mountain Hardware, etc and AT LEAF makes superior stuff IMO. It is expensive, but it works and the amount of innovation that goes into it is super impressive. If you can't afford it, or don't choose to, then don't buy it.
BTW-REI is not friendly to the shooting community.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: downrange914</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Out of interest is there any (valid) reason why Arc'Teryx restrict sales of their LEAF product to LE/GOV/MIL ?
I can see that it looks to be a well thought out product, but can't see an item of clothing having features which would restrict it in sales to a specific market - granted a specific market may find the features more useful/only relevant to them, but to actually restrict sales ?
I've got a couple of Goretex shells and like them (not Arc'teryx), but find that where the velcro pads rub against the cloth, baubling has started to occur which is annoying after only 1.5 years of use ... </div></div>
Must be a UK thing brother....
In the US the only restriction on the LEAF line is it cant be shipped out of the US. (as far as I know
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: downrange914</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Out of interest is there any (valid) reason why Arc'Teryx restrict sales of their LEAF product to LE/GOV/MIL ?
I can see that it looks to be a well thought out product, but can't see an item of clothing having features which would restrict it in sales to a specific market - granted a specific market may find the features more useful/only relevant to them, but to actually restrict sales ?
I've got a couple of Goretex shells and like them (not Arc'teryx), but find that where the velcro pads rub against the cloth, baubling has started to occur which is annoying after only 1.5 years of use ... </div></div>
Must be a UK thing brother....
In the US the only restriction on the LEAF line is it cant be shipped out of the US. (as far as I know
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
I was given some LEAF gear as a Birthday gift. It is easily the nicest, most well made clothing for extreme conditions I have ever put on. From shooting in cold weather or out four wheeling in it...... it's some badass stuff!
Price comes from what goes into the product. Time in researching, material costs, defeating over head, a lot rolled into one and then you pay for the name stitched on it. They know they are good, so you pay. And most do pay it without complaint because they know the reputation.
I was given some LEAF gear as a Birthday gift. It is easily the nicest, most well made clothing for extreme conditions I have ever put on. From shooting in cold weather or out four wheeling in it...... it's some badass stuff!
Price comes from what goes into the product. Time in researching, material costs, defeating over head, a lot rolled into one and then you pay for the name stitched on it. They know they are good, so you pay. And most do pay it without complaint because they know the reputation.
Re: Why is Arc' Teryx so damn expensive?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brutus1776</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Must be a UK thing brother....
In the US the only restriction on the LEAF line is it cant be shipped out of the US. (as far as I know </div></div>
Wow - would be interesting to note whether that is the case - a bit OTT for a piece of clothing in my opinion.
I know if you place an order for one of the Vectronix devices they ask if you're ever going to export it which is understandable ... but for an ANORAK ????
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brutus1776</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Must be a UK thing brother....
In the US the only restriction on the LEAF line is it cant be shipped out of the US. (as far as I know </div></div>
Wow - would be interesting to note whether that is the case - a bit OTT for a piece of clothing in my opinion.
I know if you place an order for one of the Vectronix devices they ask if you're ever going to export it which is understandable ... but for an ANORAK ????
