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scoping an AR, or red dot

Re: scoping an AR

A standard set of picatinny style rings will fit. But you will most likely need a set of high or extra high rings to ensure that the bell of the optic clears the handguards.

As for suggestions. Well there are plenty of quality rings/mounts available and your budget will dictate what you get. For quality rings Seekins Precision has good stuff for a fair price. For a one piece mount it really is a matter of how much you want to spend. Weaver makes a decent mount for not much money, Bobro makes a really nice mount for reasonable money, and Sphur makes an amazing mount for a lot of money.
 
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Use RRA's, ARMALITE's, LaRue, GG&G, Joe Schmuckatellie one-piece mount that you can afford/like/desire.

I am a LaRue purple drank fan. On my .308s (three of them), 6.8s and .458 SOCOMS... I've never had receiver damage or POI shift.

Best to you.

Don't forget Burris or ADM and others depending on budget and quality.

Again, Best to you!!!

EDIT: And my own and wife's BCM 16" basic .gov profile barreled uppers... LaRue LT104s.
God Bless BCM and Paul.
 
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i guess to ad fuel to the fire, when i went to look around today, they had eotechs and aimpoints. not sure of the models because the guy behind the counter didn't know squat about the units.

are these just a fad, "hey look at me i have cool shit", or are they pretty kick ass? accurate, follow up shots, etc. those of you with real word experience, please chime in.

intended use will be plinking, 25 yards to at least 100 yards, if not more, and god forbid self defense.

EDIT:
the aimpoint was a patrolmans
 
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Eotechs and AP's are both tried-and-true utilitarian solutions. The arguments on which is best is as old as most simular application specific firearm debates.

I'd put more input/thought on your AR platform and its intended purpose or useage. For example, If you primarly intend on supported or steady shooting; a traditional lower-mag range variable optic might be a better solution. If your AR intentions are 16" off-hand with multiple targets and more speed intensive; perhaps consider the red-dot or holographic.

Speed in target aquistion vs more precision and down range target aquity.
 
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hmmm...or, since i have 4 AR's i can scope one, aimpoint one, and leave the other 2 irons "cuz technology fails".

hmmmm...
 
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boomholzer, what if i, like many other people, wanted both.

what would you suggest then?
 
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I was in same situation. I put a 1-4x leupold in burris ad mount. Very pleased.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: corey4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">boomholzer, what if i, like many other people, wanted both.

what would you suggest then? </div></div>

Same as before, I'm not holding out a grand solution. I would suggest that a added magnifier will not bridge the question.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: corey4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hmmm...or, since i have 4 AR's i can scope one, aimpoint one, and leave the other 2 irons "cuz technology fails".

hmmmm... </div></div>
 
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I ran T1s on my patrol rifles for years. Now that I am middle age I have a 1-4 and wish I would have switched a couple of years ago.

If you buy the right 1-4 it can be run both eyes open as a red-dot CQB and it gives you the ability to reach out and touch your target at distance when the need arises.
 
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That's why I switched to a 1-4x. Can mount a fast fire or rmr on top too if needed.
 
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I can see an RMR on a 3-9, but running a 1-4 that has a daylight visible dot or chevron alleviates the need for any ancillary optic. Also having to cant the weapon or change head position/cheek weld to use the secondary optic has never been something I have found comfortable performing.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Preferred User</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If you buy the right 1-4 it can be run both eyes open as a red-dot CQB and it gives you the ability to reach out and touch your target at distance when the need arises. </div></div>

you make a valid argument.

hmmm.....
 
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I used plain old Weaver See-Thru rings to mount a 1" 42mm scope on my flattop Stag. With the A2 stock, it works out just about right for my own personal cheekweld; and the scope bell clears by about 1/8".

It's about as simple and as utilitarian as I could ask.

For a dot scope, I use a 30mm Center-Point and the provided rings. Yeah, yeah, I know it's a cheapskate scope; but the end result works well enough for anything I'll ever need. If it fails, they're cheap enough to carry a spare.

Greg
 
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I used a set of Warne rings on a RRA varmint upper (6-18 Nikon Buckmaster), so far so good. On my 6920's an AP Pro & ACOG. The RRA is a paper puncher & groundhog rig and that set up works well for me. The AP Pro and ACOG that are on the carbines have been quite satisfactory and I am pleased with how they have worked out. The more time I spend with the Pro the more I like it. I have another upper that I plan on putting an old straight 4X Leopold on. I have not decided which mount to go with on that one yet.
 
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A decent 1-4 or 1-6 will do what an Aimpoint or Eotech will do almost as well... The inverse of that is not true... By the way, I have an Eotech on mine & I still think a 1-4 is a much better option.
 
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what about in low/poor light?

i am pretty sure the scope would not allow that much light transfer if it is anything like a hunting scope.

the aimpoint pro, what is light transmition like on that?
 
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+1 for the Larue...I usually take my scope off for transport and it always returns to zero when put back on.
 
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With the Pro I'm keeping both eyes open and the dot just seems to appear out there for me, so I've never noticed or paid attention to the amount of light transmission. Pretty much the same thing with the ACOG.
 
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I have a set of UTG offset 1" rings on my son's carbine with a Vortex Viper 2-7x32 BDC. It's not a mount that is capable of being taking on and off, kind of a one use thing but it torqued down tight and has held zero now for 2 years. It'll work if money is tight. Love the Vortex scope. We keep it at 2x and it's easy to shoot with both eyes open.

It's one like this>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: corey4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what about in low/poor light?</div></div>
A good one will keep you in the game just as long as a dot sight... Once you can't see the target with the naked eye anymore it's time to step up to a NVD.
 
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if i decide to go with a red dot, it will an aimpoint pro.

if i decide to go with a 1-4 scope, are there rear flip down sights that will work? the AR i plan on doing this to has flip down front site, with a removable carry handle.

i am leaning more towards the scope though.

as an aside:
i just got off the phone with a buddy who was a sergeant in the army for 6 years. 4 active and 2 in the reserves. he said stick with iron sites. my point of having a scope/red dot is because at 50 yards, the iron sites take up the whole piece of paper, or center mass. so if you are off by a cunt hair with irons, you can be way off at 50+.

this i know from experience with my SRH 44 for hunting. couldn't hit shit with the irons, so i switched to a scope and then went to a red dot for shits and giggles that i bought from someone cheap (ultra dot) and had 2" groups at 50 yds, and 6" groups at 100.

i can only assume it would be the same with an AR.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: corey4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if i decide to go with a 1-4 scope, are there rear flip down sights that will work?</div></div>
Yes, as with all AR stuff, there's only about 1,000 different options. I haven't used iron sights on an AR for awhile, don't intend on returning to them anytime soon, but that's just me, you can do what you want.
 
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HAD THE OLD COMP M2 YEARS AGO. ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT. JUST PULLED THE TRIGGER ON A NEW RIG A SOCOOM LE6920 AND I TOO AM SEARCHING FOR NEW OPTICS AGAIN. NOT SURE IF I AM READY TO DROP 5 OR 6 HUNDRED ON A DOT SIGHT. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE BETTER LOWER COST UNITS AVAILABLE WITH AND WITHOUT MAGNIFICATION... WILL SHOOT OUT TO 300 BUT RARELY..MORE FOR CQB AND RANCH PATROL..COYOTES.
 
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IMO, Vortex or SWFA. Burris isn't a bad option but I don't like the reticle & I wouldn't want the dot sight a foot high up on top of the PEPR mount (not sure on the exact height, that may have been an exaggeration), but that's just me.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J-Ham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IMO, Vortex or SWFA. Burris isn't a bad option but I don't like the reticle & I wouldn't want the dot sight a foot high up on top of the PEPR mount (not sure on the exact height, that may have been an exaggeration), but that's just me. </div></div>

Thats why ya throw it to the side
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I like both and run both red dots and magnified optics. I was trained to keep my nose to the charging handle and can't get away from it so with magnified optics eye relief introduces a real problem for me. I had to mount my magnified optic well forward to keep my nose to the charging handle. There are extension type mounts available but I went with a handguard that has a pic rail the same height as my flat top upper and used ARMS throw lever rings to mount a 3-9X40 scope to one AR and a QRP to mountmy Aimpoint to another
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: insight3b</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ...I was trained to keep my nose to the charging handle... </div></div>

that is what my army buddy told me to do, nose the charging handle and "...that's why you suck".

it feels too awkward for me. i wasn't trained as a "door kicker" as he put it, like you guys. im just a hillbilly that likes to shoot when i can which isn't much, maybe 5-6 times a year, do due to work.
 
Re: scoping an AR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: corey4</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Preferred User</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If you buy the right 1-4 it can be run both eyes open as a red-dot CQB and it gives you the ability to reach out and touch your target at distance when the need arises. </div></div>

you make a valid argument.

hmmm..... </div></div>

NF 1-4x24 in a uni mount is awesome for this.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J-Ham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IMO, Vortex or SWFA. Burris isn't a bad option but I don't like the reticle & I wouldn't want the dot sight a foot high up on top of the PEPR mount (not sure on the exact height, that may have been an exaggeration), but that's just me. </div></div>

Thats why ya throw it to the side
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IMG_0661.jpg
</div></div>

What set-up is this?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats why ya throw it to the side
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</div></div>
Yep!
 
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I had a Leupold MK4 Mr1.5x5 SPR, it was every bit as fast as my Aimpoint, and could hit out to 500 with holdover and dialing.
I bought a JP to put it on, I was going to be a raging 3 gunner, but caught the long range bug soon after. Wish I still had the thing.
$700.00 or so, nice.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: corey4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for $1200, i'm sure it is! </div></div>

sorry i didn't know that this was the bargain basement thread.
 
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