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How Ammunition Reacts in a Fire — SAAMI Video Repo

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The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute (SAAMI) has produced an amazing 25-minute video that shows what actually happens to sporting ammunition involved in a fire. This video shows the results of serious tests conducted with the assistance of professional fire crews. We strongly recommend you watch this video, all the way through. It dispels many myths, while demonstrating what really happens when ammunition is burned, dropped, or crushed.

Watch SAAMI Ammunition Testing Video http://youtu.be/3SlOXowwC4c

Over 400,000 rounds of ammunition were used in the tests. Some of the footage is quite remarkable. Testers built a bonfire with 28,000 rounds of boxed ammo soaked in diesel fuel. Then the testers loaded five pallets of ammo (250,000 rounds) in the back of a semi-truck, and torched it all using wood and paper fire-starting materials doused with diesel fuel.



The video shows that, when ammo boxes are set on fire, and ammunition does discharge, the bullet normally exits at low speed and low pressure. SAAMI states: “Smokeless powders must be confined to propel a projectile at high velocity. When not in a firearm, projectile velocities are extremely low.” At distances of 10 meters, bullets launched from “cooked-off” ammo would not penetrate the normal “turn-out gear” worn by fire-fighters.

We are not suggesting you disregard the risks of ammo “cooking off” in a fire, but you will learn the realities of the situation by watching the video. There are some amazing demonstrations — including a simulated retail store fire with 115,000 rounds of ammo in boxes. As cartridges cook off, it sounds like a battery of machine-guns, but projectiles did not penetrate the “store” walls, or even two layers of sheet-rock. The fire crew puts out the “store fire” easily in under 20 seconds, just using water.


Additional Testing: Drop Test, Projectile Test, Crush Test, Blasting Cap Test

Drop Test
The video also offers interesting ammo-handling tests. Boxes of ammo were dropped from a height of 65 feet. Only a tiny fraction of the cartridges discharged, and there was no chain-fire. SAAMI concludes: “When dropped from extreme heights (65 feet), sporting ammunition is unlikely to ignite. If a cartridge ignites, it does not propagate.”

Rifle Fire Test
SAAMI’s testers even tried to blow up boxes of ammunition with rifle fire. Boxes of loaded ammo were shot with .308 Win rounds from 65 yards. The video includes fascinating slow-motion footage showing rounds penetrating boxes of rifle cartridges, pistol ammo, and shotgun shells. Individual cartridges that were penetrated were destroyed, but adjacent cartridges suffered little damage, other than some powder leakage. SAAMI observed: “Most of the ammunition did not ignite. When a cartridge did ignite, there was no chain reaction.”

Bulldozer Crush Test
The test team also did an amazing “crush-test” using a Bulldozer. First boxes of loaded ammo, then loose piles of ammo, were crushed under the treads of a Bulldozer. A handful of rounds fired off, but again there was no chain-fire, and no large explosion. SAAMI observed: “Even in the most extreme conditions of compression and friction, sporting ammunition is unlikely to ignite. [If it does ignite when crushed] it does not propagate.”

Blasting Cap Test
Perhaps most amazingly, the testers were not able to get ammunition to chain-fire (detonate all at once), even when using blasting caps affixed directly to a live primers. In the SAAMI test, a blasting caps were affixed directly to an exposed primer. One cartridge ignited but the rest of the boxed ammo was relatively undamaged and there was no propagation
 
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Sad to see that much ammo destroyed on purpose but very informative and good to know
 
Re: How Ammunition Reacts in a Fire — SAAMI Video Repo

Interesting, but all those tests simply confirmed what common sense predicts.
 
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all the facts in the world will not change the opinions of the worry worts - convinced you will blow up the neighborhood tumbling finished loads
 
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At least I can tell the fireman to go put out the fire with no probelm
 
Re: How Ammunition Reacts in a Fire — SAAMI Video Repo

Great video, thanks for posting.

It should have been obvious, but I had not considered the nightstand gun IS going to discharge in a fire. Definitely food for thought.
 
Re: How Ammunition Reacts in a Fire — SAAMI Video Repo

"all the facts in the world will not change the opinions of the worry worts - convinced you will blow up the neighborhood tumbling finished loads"

True. Firearms and ammo ignorance isn't limited to people who don't shoot or reload.
 
Re: How Ammunition Reacts in a Fire — SAAMI Video Repo

Remember labs in high school you wrote experiments up with "purpose" and "control" and "data" and "conclusion"?

"Who'd a thought reading and writing would pay off?" -Homer Simpson

What does it all mean?
That SAAMI video did not advance science.
A lot of money was spent for some reason.
It could be like shooting a buffalo to cut out the tongue, but there was a reason.
It might be show and tell to pitch for gov funding.
 
Re: How Ammunition Reacts in a Fire — SAAMI Video Repo

Clark: about 51 or 52% of the people in our country are too stupid to understand "control", "scientific method" and "data" - and being they are in the majority - they are the ones that matter. Ironically, they are also the same people that a video like this would be targeted towards, even if they weren't in the majority.

Anyway, science aside, I think the video gives the numbskulls in our society at least *some* idea that cartridges for small arms aren't little nuclear bombs.
 
Re: How Ammunition Reacts in a Fire — SAAMI Video Repo

thanks for the video.. informative, and confirmed what I had already expected.

Jeffvn
 
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good testing, i wished they didn't burn that much ammo though.
 
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I agree. They could have made the same point with 10% of the ammunition and given me a nice Christmas present!
 
Re: How Ammunition Reacts in a Fire — SAAMI Video Repo

bump just try to keep people aware.
 
Re: How Ammunition Reacts in a Fire — SAAMI Video Repo

Bump to the top for you new guys
 
Re: How Ammunition Reacts in a Fire — SAAMI Video Repo

It would be nice if UPS/FEDEX could see this and stop charging me that $25 HazMat fee on every order.
 
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Which one of you SH'ers posted this in the YouTube comments
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thesuperfan99 2 weeks ago

I was telling my wife how heart broken I was about all that ammo being destroyed. She told me&#65279; "Don't worry, I'm sure it was all Berdan primed." She's awesome!</div></div>
 
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bump for you new guys