Does anyone have a copy so I can get my Attorney wife started on my trust? I am sure she will help anyone on here out if she had the paperwork. email me at [email protected]
Suppressors NFA Trust Paperwork??????
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Wasnt people saying the Quicken Paperwork was being declined????
Wasnt people saying the Quicken Paperwork was being declined????
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Just read what they had to say about Quicken and thats the route I am taking. My wife is Lic to practice in Alabama she is going to research it.
Just read what they had to say about Quicken and thats the route I am taking. My wife is Lic to practice in Alabama she is going to research it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WICKEDFISH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wasnt people saying the Quicken Paperwork was being declined????
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No, the NFA Trust Lawyers say there could be problems but there is no documentation out there of a single Quicken trust being denied or having issues with it if you follow the directions.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WICKEDFISH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wasnt people saying the Quicken Paperwork was being declined????
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No, the NFA Trust Lawyers say there could be problems but there is no documentation out there of a single Quicken trust being denied or having issues with it if you follow the directions.
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I did mine on a 2009 will maker program that has a trust. I think the program cost less than $20.00. After 2009 they dropped the trust from the program. I submitted mine in March of 2012 and got it back on Sept. 2012.
I did mine on a 2009 will maker program that has a trust. I think the program cost less than $20.00. After 2009 they dropped the trust from the program. I submitted mine in March of 2012 and got it back on Sept. 2012.
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Well, I doubt quicken will include the language my trust has in it. I'd be willing to give you a copy of the template, but I think that they maybe copyright this? The document is called gundocx.
I've also heard of them denying those DIY trusts... If you were to compare a DIY or regular trust to a specific NFA trust, you'd know what I'm talking about.
Now is your wife a property lawyer or is she also up to speed on NFA rules? That essentially is the difference. I heard a LOT of property and trust lawyers tell me they had no idea how to go about setting up an NFA trust. Most were unaware they existed or what an NFA trust even was. I appreciated their honesty. Ultimately, I had to find a property lawyer that was NFA savvy, and he also was an NFA item collector himself, as well as an infantry vet. We hit it off. He made it clear that NFA trusts should be separate from regular property trusts and wills due to the details that are present in the NFA trust that are not necessary in a regular property trust. Again, when you see one, you'll see it is a specific document that covers all the bases when it comes to NFA law. In fact, it really resembles in no shape form or fashion, a regular property trust.
Given she is a lawyer, perhaps she could pull some strings and get the proper template from someone. Goldstein or Goldberg, he's an NFA lawyer in FL that kind of started all of this, or at least he made it popular.
The NFA trust also provides you a LOT of protections, so I'd be sure to get it done right. Mine cost $500 and I consider it one of my best investments in firearms related stuff, and I can't even "use" is. But buying that first suppressor was easier than buying a pistol, save the wait, and the afforded protections of the trust regarding the items contained within is, well, priceless.
Some missed or wrong wording in details can render it useless.
PM me if interested and I'll give you my lawyer's details. If he's willing to send you his template, you may be good to go --if you have this, she could probably easily finish it. If not, perhaps he can direct you to another template? Or perhaps your wife can find it herself? Again, Gundocx is the name of it.
Good luck, and it is worth getting done right. Tread carefully here.
Well, I doubt quicken will include the language my trust has in it. I'd be willing to give you a copy of the template, but I think that they maybe copyright this? The document is called gundocx.
I've also heard of them denying those DIY trusts... If you were to compare a DIY or regular trust to a specific NFA trust, you'd know what I'm talking about.
Now is your wife a property lawyer or is she also up to speed on NFA rules? That essentially is the difference. I heard a LOT of property and trust lawyers tell me they had no idea how to go about setting up an NFA trust. Most were unaware they existed or what an NFA trust even was. I appreciated their honesty. Ultimately, I had to find a property lawyer that was NFA savvy, and he also was an NFA item collector himself, as well as an infantry vet. We hit it off. He made it clear that NFA trusts should be separate from regular property trusts and wills due to the details that are present in the NFA trust that are not necessary in a regular property trust. Again, when you see one, you'll see it is a specific document that covers all the bases when it comes to NFA law. In fact, it really resembles in no shape form or fashion, a regular property trust.
Given she is a lawyer, perhaps she could pull some strings and get the proper template from someone. Goldstein or Goldberg, he's an NFA lawyer in FL that kind of started all of this, or at least he made it popular.
The NFA trust also provides you a LOT of protections, so I'd be sure to get it done right. Mine cost $500 and I consider it one of my best investments in firearms related stuff, and I can't even "use" is. But buying that first suppressor was easier than buying a pistol, save the wait, and the afforded protections of the trust regarding the items contained within is, well, priceless.
Some missed or wrong wording in details can render it useless.
PM me if interested and I'll give you my lawyer's details. If he's willing to send you his template, you may be good to go --if you have this, she could probably easily finish it. If not, perhaps he can direct you to another template? Or perhaps your wife can find it herself? Again, Gundocx is the name of it.
Good luck, and it is worth getting done right. Tread carefully here.
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She is a property atty, I could buy the Documents from an NFA attorney for 299.00 just trying to save if I can, but I would like to do it right the first time, then she would start setting them up for others she said.
She is a property atty, I could buy the Documents from an NFA attorney for 299.00 just trying to save if I can, but I would like to do it right the first time, then she would start setting them up for others she said.
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I also use the Gundocx gun trust. It was $97 online, and they email you the trust, with all of your info filled in. Simple as that. I ran down to the bank, where the notary is free if you're a member, had her do her thing, then sent in my forms with that trust. Easy as that. I was in the same shoes as you til someone recommended Gundocx.
Now if shes interested in selling the gundocx trusts, and putting her name on their site a s a NFA lawyer, or a lawyer who knows about NFA items and gun laws, they sell the program to attorneys so they can start charging the $97 for themselves...
I also use the Gundocx gun trust. It was $97 online, and they email you the trust, with all of your info filled in. Simple as that. I ran down to the bank, where the notary is free if you're a member, had her do her thing, then sent in my forms with that trust. Easy as that. I was in the same shoes as you til someone recommended Gundocx.
Now if shes interested in selling the gundocx trusts, and putting her name on their site a s a NFA lawyer, or a lawyer who knows about NFA items and gun laws, they sell the program to attorneys so they can start charging the $97 for themselves...
Re: NFA Trust Paperwork??????
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Strykervet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I doubt quicken will include the language my trust has in it. I'd be willing to give you a copy of the template, but I think that they maybe copyright this? The document is called gundocx.
I've also heard of them denying those DIY trusts... If you were to compare a DIY or regular trust to a specific NFA trust, you'd know what I'm talking about.
Now is your wife a property lawyer or is she also up to speed on NFA rules? That essentially is the difference. I heard a LOT of property and trust lawyers tell me they had no idea how to go about setting up an NFA trust. Most were unaware they existed or what an NFA trust even was. I appreciated their honesty. Ultimately, I had to find a property lawyer that was NFA savvy, and he also was an NFA item collector himself, as well as an infantry vet. We hit it off. He made it clear that NFA trusts should be separate from regular property trusts and wills due to the details that are present in the NFA trust that are not necessary in a regular property trust. Again, when you see one, you'll see it is a specific document that covers all the bases when it comes to NFA law. In fact, it really resembles in no shape form or fashion, a regular property trust.
Given she is a lawyer, perhaps she could pull some strings and get the proper template from someone. Goldstein or Goldberg, he's an NFA lawyer in FL that kind of started all of this, or at least he made it popular.
The NFA trust also provides you a LOT of protections, so I'd be sure to get it done right. Mine cost $500 and I consider it one of my best investments in firearms related stuff, and I can't even "use" is. But buying that first suppressor was easier than buying a pistol, save the wait, and the afforded protections of the trust regarding the items contained within is, well, priceless.
Some missed or wrong wording in details can render it useless.
PM me if interested and I'll give you my lawyer's details. If he's willing to send you his template, you may be good to go --if you have this, she could probably easily finish it. If not, perhaps he can direct you to another template? Or perhaps your wife can find it herself? Again, Gundocx is the name of it.
Good luck, and it is worth getting done right. Tread carefully here. </div></div>
Why would Goldman give away his money maker? Thats bad business. He might ask her to become a Gun Trust lawyer in his network but in the end he still gets paid.
Please post actual documentation of a Quicken Trust that has been denied.
Every has "heard" of these things but noone is able to provide examples, especially the NFA Trust lawyers that do it for a living.
That has to say something.
Would love to see a Trust that has these protection you are mentioning. All the copies I have seen don't really say that much.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Strykervet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I doubt quicken will include the language my trust has in it. I'd be willing to give you a copy of the template, but I think that they maybe copyright this? The document is called gundocx.
I've also heard of them denying those DIY trusts... If you were to compare a DIY or regular trust to a specific NFA trust, you'd know what I'm talking about.
Now is your wife a property lawyer or is she also up to speed on NFA rules? That essentially is the difference. I heard a LOT of property and trust lawyers tell me they had no idea how to go about setting up an NFA trust. Most were unaware they existed or what an NFA trust even was. I appreciated their honesty. Ultimately, I had to find a property lawyer that was NFA savvy, and he also was an NFA item collector himself, as well as an infantry vet. We hit it off. He made it clear that NFA trusts should be separate from regular property trusts and wills due to the details that are present in the NFA trust that are not necessary in a regular property trust. Again, when you see one, you'll see it is a specific document that covers all the bases when it comes to NFA law. In fact, it really resembles in no shape form or fashion, a regular property trust.
Given she is a lawyer, perhaps she could pull some strings and get the proper template from someone. Goldstein or Goldberg, he's an NFA lawyer in FL that kind of started all of this, or at least he made it popular.
The NFA trust also provides you a LOT of protections, so I'd be sure to get it done right. Mine cost $500 and I consider it one of my best investments in firearms related stuff, and I can't even "use" is. But buying that first suppressor was easier than buying a pistol, save the wait, and the afforded protections of the trust regarding the items contained within is, well, priceless.
Some missed or wrong wording in details can render it useless.
PM me if interested and I'll give you my lawyer's details. If he's willing to send you his template, you may be good to go --if you have this, she could probably easily finish it. If not, perhaps he can direct you to another template? Or perhaps your wife can find it herself? Again, Gundocx is the name of it.
Good luck, and it is worth getting done right. Tread carefully here. </div></div>
Why would Goldman give away his money maker? Thats bad business. He might ask her to become a Gun Trust lawyer in his network but in the end he still gets paid.
Please post actual documentation of a Quicken Trust that has been denied.
Every has "heard" of these things but noone is able to provide examples, especially the NFA Trust lawyers that do it for a living.
That has to say something.
Would love to see a Trust that has these protection you are mentioning. All the copies I have seen don't really say that much.
Re: NFA Trust Paperwork??????
If you were close to me I'd let you check mine out. I check to see if I could email you a copy, and since it is a paid for contract, I can't legally ship the copy to you just to swap out names and use it for yourself free. I have the gundocx trust as stated above, and its 8 pages of legal shit before you get to the notary signature... How many is the Quicken?
If you were close to me I'd let you check mine out. I check to see if I could email you a copy, and since it is a paid for contract, I can't legally ship the copy to you just to swap out names and use it for yourself free. I have the gundocx trust as stated above, and its 8 pages of legal shit before you get to the notary signature... How many is the Quicken?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> How many is the Quicken? </div></div>
Six in the Declaration, and three in the Certification.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> How many is the Quicken? </div></div>
Six in the Declaration, and three in the Certification.
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I would pay some cash for the paperwork, 299 is steep?
I would pay some cash for the paperwork, 299 is steep?
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I used the Willmaker (Quicken) Trust here in Texas. Not denied. At one point, the gun trust scaremongers were claiming of a seizure of property because of an improper trust. When that was found to be false, they took it down. I guess now they are saying you might get denied. OK, so once you are denied then pay the money for an expensive lawyer. The worst thing they can do is kick the paperwork back to you and make you do it again.
Full disclosure... I openly hate lawyers. Most of them make money off a racket doing things most citizens could do for themselves.
I used the Willmaker (Quicken) Trust here in Texas. Not denied. At one point, the gun trust scaremongers were claiming of a seizure of property because of an improper trust. When that was found to be false, they took it down. I guess now they are saying you might get denied. OK, so once you are denied then pay the money for an expensive lawyer. The worst thing they can do is kick the paperwork back to you and make you do it again.
Full disclosure... I openly hate lawyers. Most of them make money off a racket doing things most citizens could do for themselves.
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Wicked, let me know when she starts doing work for others. I've been contemplating moving everything to a trust.
Wicked, let me know when she starts doing work for others. I've been contemplating moving everything to a trust.
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It would be nice if for once somebody could actually post a court case number or some factual proof other than a story from an NFA Attorney/Trust website with names, dates, and evidence of ANY NFA item being seized or any Trust being denied for not having special "NFA Language". Those lawyers have made it their business to sell you on the idea that you need a "special" trust just for NFA items but they NEVER can provide any kind of evidence other than a story about this one guy somewhere that they somehow rescued. I love how people are running to attack "Gougers" because of fear mongering but those same people are running to the defense of these douche bag attorneys who are doing the same thing and making money off of docs that they pay some paralegal to cut and paste your info into. I work for an Attorney, I have a half dozen clients that are attorneys (1 of which is a Partner in the largest Corporate tax law firm in the world, and another was a Deputy Federal Prosecutor for 20+ years), and all of them say there's nothing needed for specific language on a trust in order to legally possess and NFA item.
Those Attorneys are a disgrace to the profession and peddling snake oil IMO...
It would be nice if for once somebody could actually post a court case number or some factual proof other than a story from an NFA Attorney/Trust website with names, dates, and evidence of ANY NFA item being seized or any Trust being denied for not having special "NFA Language". Those lawyers have made it their business to sell you on the idea that you need a "special" trust just for NFA items but they NEVER can provide any kind of evidence other than a story about this one guy somewhere that they somehow rescued. I love how people are running to attack "Gougers" because of fear mongering but those same people are running to the defense of these douche bag attorneys who are doing the same thing and making money off of docs that they pay some paralegal to cut and paste your info into. I work for an Attorney, I have a half dozen clients that are attorneys (1 of which is a Partner in the largest Corporate tax law firm in the world, and another was a Deputy Federal Prosecutor for 20+ years), and all of them say there's nothing needed for specific language on a trust in order to legally possess and NFA item.
Those Attorneys are a disgrace to the profession and peddling snake oil IMO...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Those Attorneys are a disgrace to the profession and peddling snake oil IMO...</div></div>
Is it really possible to disgrace that profession?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Those Attorneys are a disgrace to the profession and peddling snake oil IMO...</div></div>
Is it really possible to disgrace that profession?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Those Attorneys are a disgrace to the profession and peddling snake oil IMO...</div></div>
Is it really possible to disgrace that profession? </div></div>
Yes... It is. I know plenty of good attorneys who are good people. Hell, there's even a couple members here on the hide that are. Should I hate every cop because I only hear about the bad ones? That's like blaming every gun owner for the actions of a few bad owners.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Those Attorneys are a disgrace to the profession and peddling snake oil IMO...</div></div>
Is it really possible to disgrace that profession? </div></div>
Yes... It is. I know plenty of good attorneys who are good people. Hell, there's even a couple members here on the hide that are. Should I hate every cop because I only hear about the bad ones? That's like blaming every gun owner for the actions of a few bad owners.
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I'm an attorney and no I won't send you my trust.
Usually your local Class III dealer will know someone who can help you with a trust for a reasonable fee. It is probably a good investment.
I was comfortable using Willmaker as the basis for my trust. I also used it to do my wills and a few other documents at the same time. I now have several NFA items and have never had a question or rejection by an examiner.
I would advise against just copying someone's trust. You do need to consider your own situation and the trust program helps walk you through those choices. Married? Community property state? Minor children? After all, a trust isn't just a way to acquire an NFA item, it is a plan on how to pass it to someone in the future. An increasingly uncertain future.
I did add a section to my trust talking about NFA items and tried to think about what I might need a trustee to do if my beneficiary (my minor son) can't receive an NFA item due to being a minor, having a legal disability, or not wanting the items. Also, what about registration or other compliance issues while the items are in the trust, storage, repair, insurance, etc? These were all common sense concerns I thought about and probably the place where an attorney that has done a few NFA trusts can really help.
I would still use Willmaker if just starting out but I wouldn't balk at spending some money to pick the brain of someone that has put a few trusts together.
I'm an attorney and no I won't send you my trust.
Usually your local Class III dealer will know someone who can help you with a trust for a reasonable fee. It is probably a good investment.
I was comfortable using Willmaker as the basis for my trust. I also used it to do my wills and a few other documents at the same time. I now have several NFA items and have never had a question or rejection by an examiner.
I would advise against just copying someone's trust. You do need to consider your own situation and the trust program helps walk you through those choices. Married? Community property state? Minor children? After all, a trust isn't just a way to acquire an NFA item, it is a plan on how to pass it to someone in the future. An increasingly uncertain future.
I did add a section to my trust talking about NFA items and tried to think about what I might need a trustee to do if my beneficiary (my minor son) can't receive an NFA item due to being a minor, having a legal disability, or not wanting the items. Also, what about registration or other compliance issues while the items are in the trust, storage, repair, insurance, etc? These were all common sense concerns I thought about and probably the place where an attorney that has done a few NFA trusts can really help.
I would still use Willmaker if just starting out but I wouldn't balk at spending some money to pick the brain of someone that has put a few trusts together.
Re: NFA Trust Paperwork??????
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WICKEDFISH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone have a copy so I can get my Attorney wife started on my trust? I am sure she will help anyone on here out if she had the paperwork. email me at [email protected] </div></div>
You don't want your spouse writing your NFA trust. That's a conflict of interests when and if you needed a lawyer in a court room to battle the ATF on an issue.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WICKEDFISH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone have a copy so I can get my Attorney wife started on my trust? I am sure she will help anyone on here out if she had the paperwork. email me at [email protected] </div></div>
You don't want your spouse writing your NFA trust. That's a conflict of interests when and if you needed a lawyer in a court room to battle the ATF on an issue.
