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Noreen Bad News 338 Lapua semi Range Report

stuntpilot

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First post. By way of introduction, my name is Sean. I live in central Texas and am a former active duty Naval Officer that spent most of my time deployed between 1990 and 1994. I have learned much from this board over the years while lurking anonymously. You have my gratitude. Given how difficult it was to find actual user data on the Noreen 338 Bad News prior to my own recent purchase, I thought I'd post some personal observations in hopes members here might find them useful. FWIW, I've got no past/current or expected future economic interest/relationship with any of the companies/component manufacturers mentioned below. Onto the range report.

I purchased the Noreen Bad News 338 Lapua from US Autoweapons in Scottsdale AZ in late June 2012. Factory new.

For physical comparison's sake here's a picture of the Noreen Bad News 338 between one of my M82A1s and M110s (apologies for picture quality, I studied Engineering, not photography):
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Here's the view from the rear:
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I fired a total of nine three shot groups for record with the Bad News at a local 100 yd Indoor Range. All shot using a RW Hart Varmint Pedestal Front Rest, a Caldwell front bag, and a Protektor Rabbit Ear rear bag. The bench set up was solid and did much to eliminate any user error from me. The first three groups I shot were with Tactical Ammunition's 300g Scenar loads on fresh PCU brass. Those grouped 1.81 inches, 2.27 inches, and 2.41 inches at 100 yards. Across 12 shots fired (the other 3 were to sight in the scope), there were two failures to eject. Thinking something might be wrong with my scope or ammo, I returned home and changed from a Nightforce NXS 12-42x56 to a Swarovski 6-24x56. I also switched to Lapua factory ammo in 300 Scenar. Returned to the indoor range and the next 12 rounds using the same set-up and only had one FTE. The three shot groups were 1.51 inches, 0.90 inches, and 1.80 inches. Just to be sure, I returned home and made a final scope change to a Leupold MK4 4.5-14x50 M1 TMR (pictured). All three times, the scopes were mounted on Leupold MK4 30mm steel rings verified tightened down. The final trip to the indoor range using the same Lapua factory ammunition produced groups of 1.62, 1.89 and a final two shot group of 1.44 inches. It was a two shot group because the intended third shot came early as the result of a slam fire and went off paper a few inches above the target. It also failed to eject. Upon collecting the brass and examining the area around the head stamps, I find myself worried that I may have narrowly avoided an out of battery discharge on the last shot. Factory fresh 338 Lapua brass tends to run ~0.582 inches at the head. After firing, most of the brass coming out of the Noreen Bad News was ~0.585 inches above the headstamp. Here's a picture of that final brass casing measured at the same place post slam fire:
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Here is a picture of some brass from the last two firings. All of it's only been fired once, but there are two deep ejector marks on each. I'm left wondering if it's picking up the first ejector mark when the bolt/carrier strips it off the magazine (hopefully this comes through in the pictures):
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Here's an attempt at a close up of the PCU brass from the first firings. It has the same deep circular double markings. I tumbled this brass in hopes it would show up better (these also show a deep extractor mark):
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As a side note, all of this brass ejected into my Dillon range bag, before settling on the wooden bench in front of my right elbow. Brass ejection from a Noreen Bad News 338 is slightly forward (as opposed to the rear in the M110 or M82A1). It would be interesting to take a high speed video of the ejection to see where the neck deformations are happening:
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Some other observations: The trigger on the Bad News breaks much like a Barrett M82's. It's a contrast to the M110's factory trigger that breaks very cleanly at 4-5 lbs. My trigger pull gauge is on loan, but I'd guess my Noreen is closer to twice that much. Recoil on the Noreen is surprisingly light. On par with an un-suppressed M-110's. The rifle is also lighter than you might expect when first picking it up. The 10 round magazine is a single stack which makes it pretty tall. I typically have my left hand curled around and gripping the buttstock or rear bag when I'm shooting prone or from the bench. Keeping the rifle level to the ground, resting on the magazine leaves the bottom of the buttstock 3.4 inches off the ground (see below):
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Perhaps a monopod right about here in the rear like DTA introduced would be useful?
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That's all for now. Thanks gents.
 
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Forward ejection in a gas gun is usually typical of an overgassed design. Those marks on your case are ejector marks, as opposed to extractor marks though that was probably just a typo. I would be quite surprised if those came from the stripping of the round out of the magazine. Usually the ejector is rebated behind the leading edge of the bolt to allow the case to position itself properly, and also usually the the spring tension on the ejector is not so massive as to deform brass.

I haven't seen the bolt carrier design but if it like an AR then unfortunately a slam fire is one of the potential issues with that type of firing pin and I would suspect the problem gets worse in a .338. This is one reason HK 416 has and even the early ACR had a firing pin block and/or a spring loaded firing pin.
Justin
 
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Larue also ultilizes a captive/tension held spring on the firing pin (OBR models)... no more light primer strikes/possible slam fire.

quite an expensive gun to shoot with less then acceptable accuracy. I hope you get things worked out.
 
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Sounds like a complete trainwreck at this point with <30 rounds fired:

Heavy/"Poor" trigger - Check

Unacceptable/"Poor" accuracy (albeit at only 100yds) - Check

Slamfire/AD within the first 27 rounds fired - Check

Multiple FTEs (eject) - Check

Brass beat to hell - Check

Cost of the trainwreck - around $5k (MSRP)

Cost of the irony of the name of this rifle and getting exactly what you paid for (i.e. - "BAD NEWS") - PRICELESS!!

Are you planning on contacting Noreen about your experiences with the rifle thus far to get their take on it as well as any possible assistance from them directly?
 
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I was on the line in Longmont CO and a guy was shooting a Noreen 338 and I let him borrow my Chronograph.

Well after a few rounds I heard a BOOM ! and went over to look. (indoor 100 yards range) and the Noreen had cratered on him.

The rifle was destroyed, the bolt blew back into the PRS and was just jammed in there, there were parts on the bench, more pieces than parts. Lucky for the shooter the explosion blew down into the magazine but still hurt his arm. The upper receiver was bent out, it was a bad scene.

I felt bad for the guy he was pretty shaken up, this happened no more than 30 days ago.
 
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Irony in the company name LOL
PS: nice Ferrari you got there
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I guess the moral of the story is that you don't always get what you pay for...

and also

"Never buy the Mark I version of anything..."
 
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Looks like they need to take the project back to the drawing board .
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was on the line in Longmont CO and a guy was shooting a Noreen 338 and I let him borrow my Chronograph.

Well after a few rounds I heard a BOOM ! and went over to look. (indoor 100 yards range) and the Noreen had cratered on him.

The rifle was destroyed, the bolt blew back into the PRS and was just jammed in there, there were parts on the bench, more pieces than parts. Lucky for the shooter the explosion blew down into the magazine but still hurt his arm. The upper receiver was bent out, it was a bad scene.

I felt bad for the guy he was pretty shaken up, this happened no more than 30 days ago. </div></div>

I am happy i didn't jump on the order list for that gun... I will keep my eyes on the one being developed by F&D Defense in New Braunfels TX...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like a complete trainwreck at this point with <30 rounds fired:

Heavy/"Poor" trigger - Check

Unacceptable/"Poor" accuracy (albeit at only 100yds) - Check

Slamfire/AD within the first 27 rounds fired - Check

Multiple FTEs (eject) - Check

Brass beat to hell - Check

Cost of the trainwreck - around $5k (MSRP)

Cost of the irony of the name of this rifle and getting exactly what you paid for (i.e. - "BAD NEWS") - PRICELESS!!

Are you planning on contacting Noreen about your experiences with the rifle thus far to get their take on it as well as any possible assistance from them directly? </div></div>


Thanks for the laugh. I needed that!

I've been in touch once already on a different issue. I think it's only fair to give them an opportunity inspect it first hand and respond. I'd expect my rifle to be on the return trip to Montana in short order. Will report back on the results.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stuntpilot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like a complete trainwreck at this point with <30 rounds fired:

Heavy/"Poor" trigger - Check

Unacceptable/"Poor" accuracy (albeit at only 100yds) - Check

Slamfire/AD within the first 27 rounds fired - Check

Multiple FTEs (eject) - Check

Brass beat to hell - Check

Cost of the trainwreck - around $5k (MSRP)

Cost of the irony of the name of this rifle and getting exactly what you paid for (i.e. - "BAD NEWS") - PRICELESS!!

Are you planning on contacting Noreen about your experiences with the rifle thus far to get their take on it as well as any possible assistance from them directly? </div></div>


Thanks for the laugh. I needed that!

I've been in touch once already on a different issue. I think it's only fair to give them an opportunity inspect it first hand and respond. I'd expect my rifle to be on the return trip to Montana in short order. Will report back on the results.
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I would get your money back and wait until they work out all the bugs then get another one.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tx_Flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess the moral of the story is that you don't always get what you pay for...

and also

"Never buy the Mark I version of anything..."

</div></div>
I'm trying to keep my sense of humor, and resist editorializing too much. There may still be a happy ending. One of my more cynical active duty buddies sent me this on the experience to date:

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Ouch!

That's a gut punch.

Seriously, i hope it works out for you. At that price point, that thing should not only run like a raped ape, but also exhibit laser-like precision.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stuntpilot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the laugh. I needed that!

I've been in touch once already on a different issue. I think it's only fair to give them an opportunity inspect it first hand and respond. I'd expect my rifle to be on the return trip to Montana in short order. Will report back on the results. </div></div>

At times like this you can either get pissed or have a laugh and shake it off as best as possible...you'll probably live longer with a laugh (at least I keep telling myself that)!!
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All joking aside...I hope that they make this right for you in one way or another. A rifle that doesn't perform up to expections/designs or as promised is one thing, but a rifle that is potentially dangerous/deadly to the shooter to operate it is a WHOLE different problem.

Good luck and Godspeed.
 
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That really sucks, sorry your going through that. I remember spending just shy of 3k on a custom HS Precision years ago that you couldn't force 2moa groups out of. So, I feel your pain. Hopefully Noreen gives you a happy ending (heh-heh).
 
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I went looking to see if any posts were made on this rifle after checking out this flick on the Bad News by FPS Russia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ciFi-1YYdM

The rifle seems pretty badass in the video, but I wouldn't trade my Savage .22 WMR for it after reading this thread.
 
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At 54 seconds there is a stovepipe jam.
 
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While the thorough review was definitely an eye opener, I'm interested in hearing what Noreen has to say...and more importantly, how they deal with it.

I assume you have initiated contact?
 
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The cause for the dented necks is immaterial.

Lots and lots of semi's do it and they all have this one point in common; the dents occur sometime prior to when the resizer fixes them.

That's the real name 'o dat tune.

Greg
 
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i never thought highly of noreen, they got those fugly maadi-griffin 50 cals. You got to remove the entire bolt from the gun in order to chamber a round. How stupid,and at about 2000. Its no surprise they produced a disfunctional exepnsive dangerous POS.
 
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Early prototypes of the grendel ar-15 platform had to be reworked because the pressures and gas system had a few kinks that had to be worked out. My understanding of .223 reloading for the AR-15 is that the loads for a bolt gun are dangerous in a semi-auto. The .338 LM was designed as an anti-personnel cartridge used in a bolt platform and the factory loads for it are neither assembled with the powder charge appropriate for a gas-gun nor with your specific barrel harmonics in mind. So, do some load development and you might be pleasantly surprised with your purchase.

That said, I wouldn't buy a .338 LM built in a semi-auto.. It loses too much velocity to cycle the bolt to make that cartridge live up to it's potential.. But it might be fun to shoot! Hope to hear how future reports go for you!
 
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True....the head damage is the real problem.....

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The cause for the dented necks is immaterial.

Lots and lots of semi's do it and they all have this one point in common; the dents occur sometime prior to when the resizer fixes them.

That's the real name 'o dat tune.

Greg</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The cause for the dented necks is immaterial.

Lots and lots of semi's do it and they all have this one point in common; the dents occur sometime prior to when the resizer fixes them.

That's the real name 'o dat tune.

Greg</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The cause for the dented necks is immaterial.

Lots and lots of semi's do it and they all have this one point in common; the dents occur sometime prior to when the resizer fixes them.

That's the real name 'o dat tune.

Greg</div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While the thorough review was definitely an eye opener, I'm interested in hearing what Noreen has to say...and more importantly, how they deal with it.

I assume you have initiated contact? </div></div>

Affirmative. I initiated contact with Noreen and the distributor within a week of getting the rifle. Have had a nice note back from Noreen saying they had a known ejector issue on early models for which they had a good fix. We'll be following up together on the rest of the report. If I can assist getting a potential product/safety issue sorted, I certainly will. Running a business is hard enough in this environment...especially one catering to my favorite politically incorrect past time.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While the thorough review was definitely an eye opener, I'm interested in hearing what Noreen has to say...and more importantly, how they deal with it.

I assume you have initiated contact? </div></div>

To close this out, I had a very nice note from Phil Noreen this evening with an update. He'd apparently received the same Bad News 338 back from the distributor (I returned it). Phil noted that he was able to get the rifle to shoot .88 MOA at 300 yards with 250g bullets (in the wind). That he only experienced one stove pipe, and attributed that to a replaceable ejector spring and inadequate lube. Both fixable. And, that there was a trigger upgrade available as well (to a Timney). The original being dictated by law agencies to which he sells. So, public thanks to Phil for taking the time to write me a note even though I no longer own the rifle. I hope he's successful in continuing to refine the semi-auto 338 platform to a point that even an amateur like me can make it group.
 
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I have heard the same complaints about the bad news. I would get a RND 338. been around 12 years and a proven shooter.
 
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Thank you, thank you, thank you for taking the time to post this information. We can learn a lot from each other and not have to shell out prized $$$. Thanks again.
 
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glad they got it fixed for you. I also gave a Bad News and did have a ftf/fte issue that was fixed by Noreen. My take on it is so long as the customer service is there im happy. Thinking back on it my 1st kimber 1911 had to be sent back to kimber too and it works great now.
 
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Thanks very much for your time and effort! Have yet to shoot mine...maybe I can get in touch with biteemnbeatem sometime and compare.