Stricter Gun Backround Checks

[Ring Bearer]

Seems like this gun debate is taking on a whole new life of its own.

Would any of your guys be opposed to stricter background checks for gun purchases?? Perhaps even a 3-5 day delay for purchase?

For myself these don't seem like reasonable thoughts. I am not an impulsive buyer when it comes to guns. I take my time research, shop, haggle to get what I need.
Consequently 3-5 days means nothing to me.

How about you guys? Does that seem like it is infringing on anything?

 

[JCH]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ringbearer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seems like this gun debate is taking on a whole new life of its own.

Would any of your guys be opposed to stricter background checks for gun purchases?? Perhaps even a 3-5 day delay for purchase?

For myself these don't seem like reasonable thoughts. I am not an impulsive buyer when it comes to guns. I take my time research, shop, haggle to get what I need.
Consequently 3-5 days means nothing to me.

How about you guys? Does that seem like it is infringing on anything?</div></div>

Seriously? Hell yes it is in infringement. Get your balls back from your significant other and stand up for all your gun rights. They will start falling one by one if you don't.

 

[MtnCreek]

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Background checks should go away. They are meaningless. There are laws that prohibit certain persons from obtaining a firearm, but firearms are still readily available to prohibited persons. Bad guys wants a gun, so he goes out and gets one (buys, steals, …), but if I want one (as a law abiding person), I should have the government tell me to wait 3 – 5 days? Total BS!

 

[Sgt. 0811]

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It won't acheive anything... They can enforce existing laws or create harsher penalties for gun crimes. What would a 3-5 day wait do? My opinion is NO MORE LAWS. There are too many already.

 

[High Binder]

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No where in the second does it say your right is contingent on passing a background check in which the criteria can be whatever some fuck decides. That being said, if all that came out of this was just a stricter background check, I could live with that. It would still be pointless, piss me off, and do nothing to solve the "problem" but that alone wouldn't be that bad. They don't even follow the laws that already exist.

The real problem with your post is that if you give an inch... They'll take a many miles.

'and don't forget they often break their own laws in attempts to undermine your rights (e.g. F&F).

 

[Loner]

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Welcome to California!!!

 

[pyplynr]

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Do the criminals even fill out a 4473. I don't think so. Why would more laws that only the law abiding citizens adhere to have any effect on crime.

 

[jcfd2201]

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"Give them an inch and they will take a mile," have you ever heard that before?

The time to sit idly by while others whittle away at our Constitution has come and gone. Little by little the government has taken away freedoms that our forefathers felt it was important for us to have. These freedoms and rights have been protected thus far by the shedding of blood by our service men and women. Was this all for nothing?

"All enemies foreign and domestic"

 

[MtnCreek]

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How about we pass a law saying you can't shoot people for no reason? Wait, that's already a law isn't it...

Here’s my gun control law:
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

The above makes gun laws a Federal issue, so all State laws are void. The Federal gov cannot restrict firearms without amending the Constitution. Pretty simple.

Now, there are plenty of dumb-fucks that would say ‘what about people killing people with guns’. There’s already laws in every State (assumed) that address that. I’m looking at a RoseArt #2 HB sitting on my desk; I could very easily kill someone with that pencil. Should the pencil be regulated? Or does the law in GA that makes it a crime for me to kill someone suffice?

 

[Maggot]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JCH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ringbearer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seems like this gun debate is taking on a whole new life of its own.

Would any of your guys be opposed to stricter background checks for gun purchases?? Perhaps even a 3-5 day delay for purchase?

For myself these don't seem like reasonable thoughts. I am not an impulsive buyer when it comes to guns. I take my time research, shop, haggle to get what I need.
Consequently 3-5 days means nothing to me.

How about you guys? Does that seem like it is infringing on anything?</div></div>

Seriously? Hell yes it is in infringement. <span style="color: #FF0000">Get your balls back from your significant other </span> and stand up for all your gun rights. They will start falling one by one if you don't. </div></div>

RIFLMFAO

 

[DCR]

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In CT there is a 14 day waiting period for anyone without a pistol permit, hunting license, or mil/le. Did that stop anything?

P.S.

CT has an AW ban. Did nothing.
There are already laws about possessing pistols without a permit.

None of these laws did a damn thing! It's not due to lack of laws. Stop listening to the media!

 

[pwc001]

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Give an inch.....

 

[mypos5mikes]

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So, now we just have to wait and see what will be done with the threat of "executive power" to enact these senseless, useless, and illogical limitations on law abiding citizens.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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I still got my balls and I still have all of my guns.

You know there is going to be some type of sanction to quell all this public outrage sheeeyit. And yes I hear you when you say not one inch given. But I don't really think that is going to be the end all reality of this dust up.
Something is going to give.

A couple years back I waited 7 days for my Armalite. Didnt bother me a bit.

Wouldn't bother me a bit if they did a background check, 7 day delay or whatever for any gun I purchase as long as I could get my rig. That is why I plan ahead.

I really feel that the(emotional) public is going to exact some type of toll on us this time.

Just sayin..

 

[Super Bee 950]

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You are a Lemming! At what point would they make things bad enough for you to stand up for your rights?

 

[Sean the Nailer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Super Bee 950</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are a Lemming! At what point would they make things bad enough for you to stand up for your rights?

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AMEN..... Stand Up and USE THEM, whilst you've still got'em. Rights, that is. Then go buy some balls.

Accepting stupidity is not equivalent to increasing intelligence. That is all these 'proposed laws' are doing. No different than the laws that are ALREADY on the books. Correct me if I'm wrong, but with this latest event, didn't the laws actually work? Was the snapperhead not DENIED at an attempted purchase. Did he not go out and STEAL (albeit from his own mother, but still stealing) to attain his broken-brained goal?

Smarten up man, and take it from a Canuckian. You'se thinking WRONG.

Now listen to your own countrymen.

Carry on, folks.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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A lemming??? Sheeeeyit. On the grand sceme of things a wait period amounts to nothing on my list. Backround check-- piffff.
It doesnt amount to a thing.

I have got all I need. And if I wanted more I would just go get it.

the origional question was; How about you guys? Does that seem like it is infringing on anything?

Yalll have been kind of vague but I think you are not in favor of it.

 

[wIg SpLiTtEr]

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You guys don't have to light his ass up for asking that question.. What good is it going to do? All we can do is try to inform the un-informed. Leave it to them to take it for what it's worth.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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Thanks for the support.

I am not uninformed. I have been shooting since the mid 60s.
We were farmers. We always had guns and fully expected to.
I am not giving up any rights. I just wanteed to hear your thoughts on them.


The line items of" wait period and background check" dont effect me so I have no dog in that fight.

 

[MtnCreek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the origional question was; How about you guys? Does that seem like it is infringing on anything?

Yalll have been kind of vague but I think you are not in favor of it.</div></div>

Vague? Sorry, I didn't mean to be; I'll try again.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does that seem like it is infringing on anything?</div></div>

Yes; it does. I do not wish to ask the government for permission to exercise my God given right.

Have you been hanging out in the gym showers again?

 

[Ring Bearer]

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I have been and I wish you'd quit starin at my ass.

 

[MtnCreek]

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When I see a dude with a tramp-stamp, I can't help but look at at it and say WTF...

 

[2Shots]

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Hate to tell you boys, you're gonna have to give em something! They want to have a win, we all know it will make no difference in the end, if an idiot wants to steal a gun and kill people he will, end of story. There are enough AR's and high cap magazines any would be bad guy can get his hands on weapons, magazines, and ammo from now through the next 25 years regardless of laws on the books. If they feel better with a national database and a background check fine, been doing it for a while now it really isn't a problem. We used to have a waiting period until federal call in thing started. If they want to eliminate person to person non FFL deals at gun shows, who cares! Couldn't tell you the last time I bought a gun at a gun show. But you are going to have to give up something! That's how I see it.

 

[MtnCreek]

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Why not call them out on 79 years of gun control failure? Why not call for recognizing the 2A, restricting States from disarming law abiding citizens.

When I wrote my congress critter, I didn't ask them to try to give in as little as possible. There is a law in place right now that makes schools soft targets. Focus on solutions and raise hell about it.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2shots</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hate to tell you boys, you're gonna have to give em something! They want to have a win, we all know it will make no difference in the end, if an idiot wants to steal a gun and kill people he will, end of story. There are enough AR's and high cap magazines any would be bad guy can get his hands on weapons, magazines, and ammo from now through the next 25 years regardless of laws on the books. If they feel better with a national database and a background check fine, been doing it for a while now it really isn't a problem. We used to have a waiting period until federal call in thing started. If they want to eliminate person to person non FFL deals at gun shows, who cares! Couldn't tell you the last time I bought a gun at a gun show. But you are going to have to give up something! That's how I see it. </div></div>



NOW THERE is a man who gets it. All of this is going to take a peice of flesh off the 2nd ammendment. I hope not much but there is going to be a price paid for what has been happening. I didnt say it is fair or desirable. I am just saying it is coming.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MtnCreek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

When I wrote my congress critter, I didn't ask them to try to give in as little as possible. There is a law in place right now that makes schools soft targets. Focus on solutions and raise hell about it. </div></div>



Because lil Suzi soccer mom does not have the stomach to have an amred guard at her school because it might frighten lil Elmer.

Even my church has 4 armed undercover officers on during the services. If the congregation knew they would flip..or leave.

 

[MtnCreek]

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If most supporters of firearm rights feel the same as you, then you are right.

I think you either lack principles or the willingness to stand on them.

 

[Immorteq]

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Ringbearer and 2shots, you two are our problem as gun owners. You'd still be licking the boots of the crown if not for better, more principled, men than yourselves. Peasants, both of you. You two have the spines of slaves, and the intelligence to match. Back to those cotton fields, you two, and the comfort of the slave owners boot and whip.

You two are the spineless politician who will cave to the pressures of the masses like the cowards you/they are. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

 

[Maggot]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2shots</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hate to tell you boys, you're gonna have to give em something! They want to have a win, we all know it will make no difference in the end, if an idiot wants to steal a gun and kill people he will, end of story. <span style="color: #FF0000"> There are enough AR's and high cap magazines any would be bad guy can get his hands on weapons, magazines, and ammo from now through the next 25 years regardless of laws on the books. </span> If they feel better with a national database and a background check fine, been doing it for a while now it really isn't a problem. We used to have a waiting period until federal call in thing started. <span style="color: #CC6600">If they want to eliminate person to person non FFL deals at gun shows, who cares </span> ! Couldn't tell you the last time I bought a gun at a gun show. But you are going to have to give up something! That's how I see it. </div></div>

- <span style="color: #CC0000">Nothings goingto change. I could at one time have told you where to buy a crate of chinese ak's on the dock in NYC, for $400 per copy, NO QUESTIONS ASKED, if you knew the right person. For a bit more you could get really nice Russian ones. Unfortunately, or fortunately, that guy is dead now and Im not interested in trying to relocate the number. The Russians dont fuck around.</span>

- <span style="color: #CC6600"> I fucking do...its none of anybody's business what I do as long as I dont break any laws.</span>

Wake up and get your head out of your ass. Not an inch.

 

[areaone]

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In Illinois we have to posses a FOID card, (Firearms Owner Identification) established in the 70's. We can not purchase a gun of anytype, nor powder or primers or ammo without one. We can not be in posession of a firearm without one or even pick a firearm up to view it without a FOID card. Without a FOID I can not legally shoot tin cans with you if I borrow your gun with your standing next to me. Anyone that owns a gun in Illinois normally also have another member of the home(wife) also in possession a FOID card since when you are not there, or die she becomes in possession of a firearm illegally without her also having a FOID. We also have a 24 hr wait period for longguns and 72 hour wait for handguns, It is my understanding weekends do not count toward the wait period. Now here is the kicker..If I trade in a handgun for another handgun, I have to still wait the 72 hours for the new handgun to be deliverd. This a "cooling off" period. Go figure...

 

[fx77]

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appeasement???
NYS has the original AWB in place..no mags >10 round...now Cuomo the Gov. wants mags < or= to 7 rounds...
What is next,,? I think U know.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Immorteq</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ringbearer and 2shots, you two are our problem as gun owners. You'd still be licking the boots of the crown if not for better, more principled, men than yourselves. Peasants, both of you. You two have the spines of slaves, and the intelligence to match. Back to those cotton fields, you two, and the comfort of the slave owners boot and whip.

You two are the spineless politician who will cave to the pressures of the masses like the cowards you/they are. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. </div></div>


I dont have a clue what you are trying to say.

To me it sounded like...You are sorry. And you would like to carry my gun case and ammo for me at the range.

 

[Immorteq]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Immorteq</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You two have the spines of slaves, and the intelligence to match. </div></div>

Sorry? Hardly, I'd revoke your firearms privileges and you'd lie down like a coward.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

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Exactly where is there a Right in the Bill of Rights that says "they" need to feel good about something?

Sure, that can be turned around and inside out, but the statement still stands. Just because "they" need to have "something" done, doesn't mean that YOUR RIGHTS have to be trampled on, infringed upon, or even subjected to query.

Ringbearer, 2shots, and anyone else who thinks along these lines... ya'll better smarten up. I'm a foreigner here, and I'm learning you something. It sure sounds like you need to get your head out of your ass, and pay attention.

If you keep up with the "we'll just give them a little-something, to make them happy"... then tell me exactly what you're gonna give them when you've nothing left to give?

Ask Hitler. Ask Stalin. Ask Arafat. Or any of the other 'leaders' through the years.... can you see the outcome?

Wake up, or your going to get the government that you deserve. You have NO DAMN IDEA how good you have it, and here you are willing to 'give some away.'

I truly don't think dumber words have been spoken. Hell, even the anti's are using their intelligence to higher accord. Shameful.

 

[High Binder]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2shots</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they feel better with a national database and a background check fine, been doing it for a while now it really isn't a problem.

If they want to eliminate person to person non FFL deals at gun shows, who cares! Couldn't tell you the last time I bought a gun at a gun show. But you are going to have to give up something! That's how I see it. </div></div>


You might be in a database already and are OK with that but registering guns isn't an option for most of us.

Eliminating person to person sales means you can't pass your guns down to your children. Now if you're saying that you could pass them person to person via an FFL then I can at least deal with that but not being able to pass a gun down to my children isn't an option.

That being said, I agree that they're going to have to get a win but if enough of us stand up to it, they'll have to get that win by ramming it through (like everything else) and not because we (i.e. you) laid down and let them.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Immorteq</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Immorteq</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You two have the spines of slaves, and the intelligence to match. </div></div>

Sorry? Hardly, I'd revoke your firearms privileges and you'd lie down like a coward. </div></div>

(Hypothetically, figure of speach, toungue in cheek for entertainment purpose only)......
No...I'd prolly snuff you with a knife and go get my guns back

 

[Immorteq]

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Make up your mind. Either you're gonna take it like a coward or you're going to resist. Your original post sure made it sound like you'd take it like a coward. Now you think you have a spine? Interesting. That's progress for a forum thread. You think the government telling you what I told you, is acceptable (per your original post and opinion) yet someone else telling you to lie down like the coward you professed yourself to be (in your original post) will not be tolerated. Stop being part of the problem and open your eyes. The government is going to dictate to you and you admit you will take it like a coward.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Exactly where is there a Right in the Bill of Rights that says "they" need to feel good about something?

Sure, that can be turned around and inside out, but the statement still stands. Just because "they" need to have "something" done, doesn't mean that YOUR RIGHTS have to be trampled on, infringed upon, or even subjected to query.

Ringbearer, 2shots, and anyone else who thinks along these lines... ya'll better smarten up. I'm a foreigner here, and I'm learning you something. It sure sounds like you need to get your head out of your ass, and pay attention.
<span style="color: #FF0000">I didnt say give them anything. I am telling you that something is going to most likely be taken</span>


If you keep up with the "we'll just give them a little-something, to make them happy"... then tell me exactly what you're gonna give them when you've nothing left to give?
<span style="color: #FF0000">I will always have something left...well just because. I can't really say because you might call me names again.</span>

Ask Hitler. Ask Stalin. Ask Arafat. Or any of the other 'leaders' through the years.... can you see the outcome?

Wake up, or your going to get the government that you deserve. <span style="color: #FF0000">Sean Are you kidding me. I already have a Govt I dont want. We are the sorriest bunch of watered down appologizing pussies on the planet.</span>



You have NO DAMN IDEA how good you have it, and here you are willing to 'give some away.'

<span style="color: #FF0000">You have no idea how bad I have seen it. And I do too know all to well what I have</span>

I truly don't think dumber words have been spoken. Hell, even the anti's are using their intelligence to higher accord. Shameful.
</div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">Your words are hurtful and disrepectful and you now have driven me to go get yet another Moon Pie to chocolate away my sorrows.</span>

 

[spaniel]

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If you think giving them something will stop them from trying to take it all, you are naive. The gun grabbers are perfectly happy to take our freedom one bit at a time.

Remember, once they take a piece away it will be a cold day in hell before it goes back the other direction. There will be no sunsetting this time around.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Immorteq</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Make up your mind. Either you're gonna take it like a coward or you're going to resist. Your original post sure made it sound like you'd take it like a coward. Now you think you have a spine? Interesting. That's progress for a forum thread. You think the government telling you what I told you, is acceptable (per your original post and opinion) yet someone else telling you to lie down like the coward you professed yourself to be (in your original post) will not be tolerated. Stop being part of the problem and open your eyes. The government is going to dictate to you and you admit you will take it like a coward. </div></div>


This is my origional post

<span style="color: #000099">For myself these don't seem like reasonable thoughts. I am not an impulsive buyer when it comes to guns. I take my time research, shop, haggle to get what I need.
Consequently 3-5 days means nothing to me.</span>

It still is the same thing 200 key strokes later.

Wait period dont bother me
Backround check -dont bother me....never did

But if for some reason it bothers you by all means say something.

Now stop acting like a lil sandy vag and rub my feet.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ringbearer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A couple years back I waited 7 days for my Armalite. Didnt bother me a bit.

Wouldn't bother me a bit if they did a background check, 7 day delay or whatever for any gun I purchase<span style="font-size: 20pt"><span style="font-weight: bold"> as long as I could get my rig.</span></span> That is why I plan ahead.

I really feel that the(emotional) public is going to exact some type of toll on us this time.

Just sayin..</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="text-decoration: underline">But what if you couldn't?</span></span> What then? At what point do you draw the line? Remember, it's someone ELSE who'll be doing the deciding, not you. Hence the problem, the diatribe, and the heated debate.

 

[Immorteq]

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Do what you're told son, and lick them boots. You are what the founding fathers revolted against.

"I don't have a problem with my government telling me I can't have my weapon for w/e length of time they are comfortable with."

You're a fool if you don't think that's the same thing as accepting that 2A is a privilege to be dictated by the majority. You're the minority and nobody is going to give a shit what you're comfortable with when you plainly state you have no problem accepting their discretion. After all, you're so smart you plan ahead. Rofl. You can't plan ahead (this thread is proof) because your head is up your ass. You value nothing. You have no principles. Our society suffers from the effects of your kind, to it's core. Narcissistic cowards.

 

[Inogame]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AREAONE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In Illinois we have to posses a FOID card, (Firearms Owner Identification) established in the 70's. We can not purchase a gun of anytype, nor powder or primers or ammo without one. We can not be in posession of a firearm without one or even pick a firearm up to view it without a FOID card. Without a FOID I can not legally shoot tin cans with you if I borrow your gun with your standing next to me. Anyone that owns a gun in Illinois normally also have another member of the home(wife) also in possession a FOID card since when you are not there, or die she becomes in possession of a firearm illegally without her also having a FOID. We also have a 24 hr wait period for longguns and 72 hour wait for handguns, It is my understanding weekends do not count toward the wait period. Now here is the kicker..If I trade in a handgun for another handgun, I have to still wait the 72 hours for the new handgun to be deliverd. This a "cooling off" period. Go figure... </div></div>

Technically, a FOID holder can allow a non-FOID holder to handle and fire his gun as long as he is present. The ratio of FOID to non-FOID must be 1:1, but on all the other rediculous counts you are unfortunately correct.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ringbearer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A couple years back I waited 7 days for my Armalite. Didnt bother me a bit.

Wouldn't bother me a bit if they did a background check, 7 day delay or whatever for any gun I purchase<span style="font-size: 20pt"><span style="font-weight: bold"> as long as I could get my rig.</span></span> That is why I plan ahead.

I really feel that the(emotional) public is going to exact some type of toll on us this time.

Just sayin..</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="text-decoration: underline">But what if you couldn't?</span></span> What then? At what point do you draw the line? Remember, it's someone ELSE who'll be doing the deciding, not you. Hence the problem, the diatribe, and the heated debate. </div></div>


<span style="color: #FF0000">
But that is it Sean. I can always get a rig---black market or over the counter. There will never ever be a day when
my ass is out blowing in the wind or not under the protection of my own weapons.
If I have to go down to Baltimore and crawl in the back alleys of the festering shit hole to find a rig I willl always find something to keep me and my family safe.
Being without was never a question.

If the 2nd ammendment fails me....trust me Sean, I will not fail me or my family when it comes to protecting them</span>

 

[pawprint2]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ringbearer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the support.

I am not uninformed. I have been shooting since the mid 60s.
We were farmers. We always had guns and fully expected to.
I am not giving up any rights. I just wanteed to hear your thoughts on them.


The line items of" wait period and background check" dont effect me so I have no dog in that fight. </div></div>
Earlier in this thread you stated you still have your balls-I'd check that again. If it doesn't "effect" you right now, you have no problem with having other honest Americans losing their rights. You are an American by birth? You are not an American Patriot, I can only imagine if all Real Americans in our past thought as you do, would we be part of Japan, or Germany? Most Americans were not in HI on Dec 7, for example.
BTW- last time I checked Federal Laws in the U.S. apply to all-"you do have a dog in the fight", as I suggested check for missing balls, you may need to check for a misssing brain while you're about it.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Re: Stricter Gun Backround Checks

Let me try another tact. As alluded to earlier, what about your kids? Follow me for a minute:

I remember almost 30 years ago, around here the market was swamped with 6.5X55 Egyptian Hakim's. They were everywhere, and stores were lousy with them. Ammo was everywhere, too. Cheap like borscht. Then it was SMLE .303's, and same/same.

Now, the arms are hardly seen again, very few have them, even fewer on the shelves, and surplus ammo is gone. Only 'factory' ammo 'at premium prices to be found.

Fast forward to today. AR's are everywhere, and 5.56 ammo is still quite prevalent, albeit backordered. Right now.

What's it going to be like, for your kids? Their kids? We're talking about a 'way of life' here, not a "passing fad."

Don't give up your "way of life" while you still have it.

Up here now, anyone who's got a Hakim has to pin the mag at 5 rounds to be legal, and any AR has to be pinned at 10 rounds, because they've been deemed "restricted" so you can only shoot them at 'certified ranges' and not use them for hunting anymore.

But that's 'ok' according to the way you are talking.... cause it is only 'something' that we gave up.

Not.

Therein lies the problem. And that is/was only an example.

 

[Ring Bearer]

Re: Stricter Gun Backround Checks

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Immorteq</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do what you're told son, and lick them boots. You are what the founding fathers revolted against.


You're a fool if you don't think that's the same thing as accepting that 2A is a privilege to be dictated by the majority. You're the minority and nobody is going to give a shit what you're comfortable with when you plainly state you have no problem accepting their discretion. After all, you're so smart you plan ahead. Rofl. You can't plan ahead (this thread is proof) because your head is up your ass. You value nothing. You have no principles. Our society suffers from the effects of your kind, to it's core. Narcissistic cowards. </div></div>


Wait a minute.....did you just call me a redneck.


My God Man....you have prophasized with pin point accuracy.
I am the bane of society, The diareah of valued principals and moral fiber, the corn in the shit of life.

Saddly It will prolly be someone like me who saves your ass
cause dumb as we are we are still the first ones who charge into the lions den.


Pinkys up!

 

[Immorteq]

Re: Stricter Gun Backround Checks

Pointless. I will absolutely give you first dibs on the lion den. Unfortunately, you're the type that thinks my front door is the lions den and you're a hero. No doubt in my mind you do exactly what yer told. Seems you're awful proud of that. Shame. 230+ years ago, you were the 97 percent that had to be drug to freedom kicking and screaming and begging the revolutionaries to compromise and keep paying their taxes to the crown. GL with your thread Smeeeegle.

 

[Ring Bearer]

Re: Stricter Gun Backround Checks

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let me try another tact. As alluded to earlier, what about your kids? Follow me for a minute:

I remember almost 30 years ago, around here the market was swamped with 6.5X55 Egyptian Hakim's. They were everywhere, and stores were lousy with them. Ammo was everywhere, too. Cheap like borscht. Then it was SMLE .303's, and same/same.

Now, the arms are hardly seen again, very few have them, even fewer on the shelves, and surplus ammo is gone. Only 'factory' ammo 'at premium prices to be found.

Fast forward to today. AR's are everywhere, and 5.56 ammo is still quite prevalent, albeit backordered. Right now.

What's it going to be like, for your kids? Their kids? We're talking about a 'way of life' here, not a "passing fad."

Don't give up your "way of life" while you still have it.

Up here now, anyone who's got a Hakim has to pin the mag at 5 rounds to be legal, and any AR has to be pinned at 10 rounds, because they've been deemed "restricted" so you can only shoot them at 'certified ranges' and not use them for hunting anymore.

But that's 'ok' according to the way you are talking.... cause it is only 'something' that we gave up.

Not.

Therein lies the problem. And that is/was only an example. </div></div>

I am following you Sean. And yes you are right in your scenario....IF and only if you follow the rules.

But in Ringbarer world I understand that my given rights can be taken away with out fairness or justice. And because millions of chickens run around with their heads cut off they make a hell of a racquet. And all this noise can cause me to loose my rights.
Consequently I build in buffers for FUBAR situations like that. When the system no longer protects me I abandon the parts of the system that fail and activate buffer 1 2 and 3
so my ass never shivers in the cold.
The sheep will shiver in the cold because they will only do what the system tells them. If the 2nd turns into a diminished or abolished entity I will reject that and stay on my path.
In Short. If our govt says I cant have any guns rest assured somewhere there will be several tucked away with a crate of ammo.
I will never be without no matter what the law says.
With that being said...as long as these laws stay in effect I will always be in compliance

This is not a long term solution. It is only good for my household.

 

[Victory]

Re: Stricter Gun Backround Checks

Lot of big talk going on in here.

My question is this, you are all attacking him calling him a non patriot and ball less for saying he could deal with back ground checks, where were all you patriots and bad asses when the 94 assault weapons ban was enacted?

If you didn't do shit then, you can go ahead and STFU with all this name calling. Your time was already here to take a stand, and none of you did shit. Don't act like you are all going to be outraged by longer back ground checks now.

Give me a break.