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I'm sure this will not be an isolated incident

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Doubt many of the vocalists on here are this free with their tongues in real life encounters. </div></div>
(1) Could be, you need to get out more, or shop that around.
(2) As to the toys comment see note 1


Should Remora be inserted with Wolf, Sheep an Sheepdog?
 
Re: I'm sure this will not be an isolated incident

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wes126</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didn't watch the video and don't care to. I was just wondering if any of you fuckers ever considered that the shitty attitude you and many civilians show towards law enforcement cause the issues you seem to be having with police?
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Slapchop,
This is the first thing Wes said. Please tell me again how you justify him calling everyone "fuckers" and saying we have a "shitty attitude", and what are the issues with police?

Thanks </div></div>

Mike you were in the Navy. A SEAL correct? Are you really going to tell me that you're offended by the guy calling you a "fucker"?

As far as the rest of it goes, take a look around. There is a shitty attitude toward cops around here. Some of it is warranted I'm sure but a lot of it is people with an agenda and an axe to grind against the government, LE or authority figures in general. Why do you think it's the same names popping up in these treads chanting the same old mantra?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let's just be clear, this isn't the proverbial 'bad apple'. That whole organization AND the prosecutors have collaborated to deny this guy justice and to punish the offending officer.

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I don't speak for the guy but I'm almost certain that attitudes like THIS are what Wes was refering to when he made his comment.

EH knows nothing about anything but here he is painting EVERYONE in the organization as corrupt and out to get this dude. Based on what, a fucking news article?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wes126</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didn't watch the video and don't care to. I was just wondering if any of you fuckers ever considered that the shitty attitude you and many civilians show towards law enforcement cause the issues you seem to be having with police?

I promise, if you show the same lack of respect in person that you flaunt on an Internet forum, you have talked yourself into tickets and possibly arrests that could have been warnings. Before you jump into how that's just a power trip cops get on, it's called taking the enforcement actions needed to deter further violations, as demonstrated by the behavior or the driver/suspect.

Nostradumbass, in my experience, farmers are uneducated and prefer fucking livestock to their wives. I'm sure there are exceptions. How did that make you feel? Appropriate screen name, btw.

Gunfighter, I'm not really even sure what you were getting at, but stop sneezing commas into your post.

Tyler, while no one likes to be filmed without their consent, we understand that it's part of the territory. The people doing it know it's irritating, and are doing it for that effect. They are exercising their rights and I'm happy for them. When they film a crime, that tape becomes evidence. If a cop wants it, he owns it. He will seize it, attach the appropriate evidence tag so it can be returned to the owner when the evidentiary value is extracted or expired, and log it into evidence. The amature videographer just got beaten at his own game, under the same rules he was using to defend his actions. Play stupid games... As far as catching charges, if you refuse to surrender the camera, impede with an officer's ability to carry out his duties, cause a disturbance of the peace, or violate the law in any other way, you may be arrested or issued a citation. This goes back to my comment about talking yourself into trouble.

Maggot, I don't know who you've spoken with. Regarding the "do as I say and shut up" you've heard, cops get tired of dealing with idiots who claim to know the law/Constitution/their rights better than we do. After a bit, all you can do is give them that instruction. Normally, we take quite a bit of time trying to explain all of the above to people we are dealing with and who might not agree with us. We don't have to, and some don't. It's not my job to make someone aware of the law, it's my job to enforce it. That's why laws have been written and made available to the public since seem obscure Babylonian named Hammurabi ruled about 3700 years ago. It's your job to learn them.

At the end of the day, we are still the ones you call when you get scared, and that gives us quite a bit of pleasure when dealing with assholes that call us corrupt, elitists, power hungry, and hypocrites. </div></div>



For someone that didn't read the OP's link, you sure had a lot to say for the 4th or so comment. And if you came here looking to be the big shit because you are a cop, you came to the wrong place pal.

Good cops and bad cops... Easy to tell really. The bad ones always stand up for another cop's bad behavior and make excuses for it, even if they never met, why? Because they do it too, and deep down they don't want to admit they are bad cops as well. In a nutshell, you insult a bad cop by calling out other bad cops.

In this case, good old wes stood up for a cop violating another's fourth amendment rights. No zeal to enforce the law there, no, he took up for the bad cop's behavior without even reading what she did first!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Are you really going to tell me that you're offended by the guy calling you a "fucker"?

As far as the rest of it goes, take a look around. There is a shitty attitude toward cops around here. Some of it is warranted I'm sure but a lot of it is people with an agenda and an axe to grind against the government, LE or authority figures in general. Why do you think it's the same names popping up in these treads chanting the same old mantra?</div></div>

Yes, my delicate sensitivities forced a tear when I read that. I can't even type that without laughing. I am far from being offended but the point is you came acting as if Wes was without fault and was innocently attacked. I was just pointing out that when you start out calling everyone fuckers, it doesn't really bode well for a great conversation. Second, you say there is a "shitty attitude" towards cops around here and then you say "some of it is warranted". But why don't you spout off and say there are many here who love(no homo) LEO and appreciate the trials and tribulations that LEO go through every day? If you say "some of it is warranted" then you admit there are some asshat LEO's out there. So yes, you're going to get people with an agenda that hate cops. Guess what? It's not going to change. Why don't you concentrate on the guys that appreciate the LEO?

I posted the link without bias only saying I'm sure this is not an isolated incident. That can be read either way by implying the guy taking the film or the cops. I left it ambiguous on purpose.

Be positive, you're in a job with almost no reward so why don't you gravitate towards the positive and fuck the guys who hate cops?
 
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People don't like shitty cops. When you are one, it is easy to see why you would take such criticism personally. People may not say it to your face in your part of the world, but around here such bullshit will get your ass beat, badge or not. I'm not one to condone violence though. I just assume that your face turn red and your voice go hoarse while I laugh in your face..... You think the same characters that constantly appear in these threads have an agenda. That is a fair assessment for someone that is so fucking jaded. The reality is that we are tired of the bull shit that has become so prevalent and do not hesitate to call you on it. If you weren't a shitty cop, you wouldn't feel Iike the hate was directed towards you.
 
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Yea you're right. Fuck em but as vocal as they like to be, sometimes an opposing voice is needed to dilute the madness being spewed here at times.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I personally don't see anything wrong with Wes's responses unless I missed something. He was clear, concise and respectful in his answers. </div></div>

Yes, saying all farmers like to screw animals more than their wives is respectful.

If you're going to make that leap, it's clear that the thin blue line is more important than integrity with you...making you part of the problem. </div></div>

What about the part where he clearly said he wasn't serious when he said that and was merely trying to make a point? I guess you like many others just read what's convieant for you to read and not the whole story! </div></div>

Yes, that was a nice back-track after being called on it. If someone wants to be treated with respect for wearing a badge, they shouldn't be spouting crap like that to begin with. There was nothing respectful about that post, and you make yourself look like a complete buffoon for continuing to state that it was.

I happen to work in a profession that meets with a competitive amount of misdirected public criticism as police work. I learned long ago (about the time I was no longer a minor) that reducing myself to the sort of cheap, immature trash posted by Wes did nothing to further the perception of my profession. So I either remain silent, or take the high road. I've opened a few eyes, and certainly not soured many.

You and Wes could learn from that.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">People don't like shitty cops. When you are one, it is easy to see why you would take such criticism personally. People may not say it to your face in your part of the world, but around here such bullshit will get your ass beat, badge or not. I'm not one to condone violence though. I just assume that your face turn red and your voice go hoarse while I laugh in your face..... You think the same characters that constantly appear in these threads have an agenda. That is a fair assessment for someone that is so fucking jaded. The reality is that we are tired of the bull shit that has become so prevalent and do not hesitate to call you on it. If you weren't a shitty cop, you wouldn't feel Iike the hate was directed towards you. </div></div>

Right, that must be it. I defend my profession from idiots who contribute nothing to society, our country. Paint us all with the same brush, know our jobs better than we do, have all the answers and that makes me a shitty cop. Gotcha!

"You get what you give and as you sow, shall you reap". Perhaps some of you should ask yourselves why that cop had a less than friendly demeanor towards you. Had nothing to do with being "jaded" which seems to be the catch word of the day now.

And for those that are jaded cause there are a bunch, ask yourselves how they got to be that way.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I happen to work in a profession that meets with a competitive amount of misdirected public criticism as police work. I learned long ago (about the time I was no longer a minor) that reducing myself to the sort of cheap, immature trash posted by Wes did nothing to further the perception of my profession. So I either remain silent, or take the high road. </div></div>

Doubt you will but indulge me, what profession is that?
 
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I'm not painting with a broad brush. I'm calling you and you alone a shitty cop.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Right, that must be it. I defend my profession from idiots who contribute nothing to society, our country. </div></div>

It's pretty ironic that you judge people you know next to nothing about so harshly at the same time you whine about them judging you. Plenty of people who are not cops contribute significantly to our society.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I happen to work in a profession that meets with a competitive amount of misdirected public criticism as police work. I learned long ago (about the time I was no longer a minor) that reducing myself to the sort of cheap, immature trash posted by Wes did nothing to further the perception of my profession. So I either remain silent, or take the high road. </div></div>

Doubt you will but indulge me, what profession is that? </div></div>

None of your business. But I certainly chose it seeking to make a difference, over other, more lucrative options.
 
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w54/xm-338 was the last with a question or comment worth replying to, so ill start there. Yes, we have dash cams and audio recorders that record every encounter. I believe they are beneficial and protect everyone involved. There's a difference between that and some thugs baby mama dancing around with her iPhone and food stamps, screaming how "I got it all! I got it all on tape! We gonna sue this motherfucker!" while said thug is trying to bite my leg. That's evidence, and I own it. If you're just aasshole trying to set up a cop with a YouTube video, and not breaking any laws, ill continue my work and ignore you as best as I can.

Someone said something about me defending the cop in the video, who they described as crooked, or something similar. Like I said, I didn't watch the video. My comments were about the general statements referring to law enforcement.

Vjj, you're a douche. You jumped into a conversation with nothing to contribute. You've made your reputation on this site with the same douchebaggery. Ive never read a meaningful post with your name attached. Congrats.

Maggot, I believe you were serious with your post regarding Vjj's post. Fwiw, I appreciate your trying to keep this discussion reasonable sensible.

Strykervet, my comments on he 4th A were in response to another's on the same, and accurate. Nothing to do with the link. And I see now hat you were the one calling me a crooked cop standing up for another. See above.

Mike, sorry I hurt your feelings with my name calling. Y'all started it. Imagine my petulant child with his tongue stuck out face.

If I left anyone out that feels they deserve a response, please speak up.
 
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Most of these stories about LE are made up, no truth to them at all. For example: there is a web page, PoliceMisconduct.net for those that like to make up stories, if even half of those stories were true, the "average Joe" would be upset and showing his anger at the polls. This isn't happening. Most cops and most departments are 100% honest. How do you think a crooked cop could get away with it for very long, he/she is surrounded by honest cops all day, 5 days/week (minimum), they'd "catch-'em" and kick them off the force, if not arrest the "bad apple" in a hurry.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not painting with a broad brush. I'm calling you and you alone a shitty cop. </div></div>

Okay
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I happen to work in a profession that meets with a competitive amount of misdirected public criticism as police work. I learned long ago (about the time I was no longer a minor) that reducing myself to the sort of cheap, immature trash posted by Wes did nothing to further the perception of my profession. So I either remain silent, or take the high road. </div></div>

Doubt you will but indulge me, what profession is that? </div></div>

None of your business. But I certainly chose it seeking to make a difference, over other, more lucrative options. </div></div>

Yea that's what I figured. Stay in the shadows.
 
Re: I'm sure this will not be an isolated incident

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I happen to work in a profession that meets with a competitive amount of misdirected public criticism as police work. I learned long ago (about the time I was no longer a minor) that reducing myself to the sort of cheap, immature trash posted by Wes did nothing to further the perception of my profession. So I either remain silent, or take the high road. </div></div>

Doubt you will but indulge me, what profession is that? </div></div>

None of your business. But I certainly chose it seeking to make a difference, over other, more lucrative options. </div></div>

Poser. Another one that jumps in just to stir shit. We are stirring fine on our own, and having a good old time with it. Find your own
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pawprint2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most of these stories about LE are made up, no truth to them at all. For example: there is a web page, PoliceMisconduct.net for those that like to make up stories, if even half of those stories were true, the "average Joe" would be upset and showing his anger at the polls. This isn't happening. Most cops and most departments are 100% honest. How do you think a crooked cop could get away with it for very long, he/she is surrounded by honest cops all day, 5 days/week (minimum), they'd "catch-'em" and kick them off the force, if not arrest the "bad apple" in a hurry. </div></div>

Yeah, uh-huh...

http://www.indystar.com/viewart/20121210...od-test-results

To summarize:
-Officer rear-ends 3 motorcyclists stopped for a red light without touching the brakes
-Despite all their training at spotting drunk drivers, not a single cop responding to the scene reports noticing that the cop was stinking drunk, yet...
-Violating protocol, the cop is taken to a non-standard place to take the blood draw, making it inadmissable in court
-When second vial of blood is deemed admissable for some charges, it mysteriously is removed from proper refrigerated storage to a completely separate, non-refigerated storage facility in an obvious attempt to compromise the evidence
-His blood alcohol was 0.19...in a morning accident, after driving his kid to school.

There are too many real-life examples of cops protecting cops to believe that "good" cops are willing to weather the backlash of outing their wayward colleagues.....

In the above example, the police union is paying for the officer's defense.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I happen to work in a profession that meets with a competitive amount of misdirected public criticism as police work. I learned long ago (about the time I was no longer a minor) that reducing myself to the sort of cheap, immature trash posted by Wes did nothing to further the perception of my profession. So I either remain silent, or take the high road. </div></div>

Doubt you will but indulge me, what profession is that? </div></div>

None of your business. But I certainly chose it seeking to make a difference, over other, more lucrative options. </div></div>

Yea that's what I figured. Stay in the shadows. </div></div>

Ha. Well, I don't think abiding by corporate policies on the use of social media to protect my job in any way reflects on the disservice you and Wes have done to yours. It simply makes me a little more intelligent in the way I choose to pursue and defend my profession.
 
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It makes you just another Internet name hiding behind "I'd tell you but I'd have to kill you"
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wes126</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
We are stirring fine on our own, and having a good old time with it. </div></div>

Isn't that the truth. Something we can agree on. It is sad that you think this is a positive exchange.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wes126</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It makes you just another Internet name hiding behind "I'd tell you but I'd have to kill you" </div></div>

Okay, so post your department and PM the email address for your supervisor so I can forward your posts to them and your local media outlets. Then I will tell you. How's that?
 
Re: I'm sure this will not be an isolated incident

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">People don't like shitty cops. When you are one, it is easy to see why you would take such criticism personally. People may not say it to your face in your part of the world, but around here such bullshit will get your ass beat, badge or not. I'm not one to condone violence though. I just assume that your face turn red and your voice go hoarse while I laugh in your face..... You think the same characters that constantly appear in these threads have an agenda. That is a fair assessment for someone that is so fucking jaded. The reality is that we are tired of the bull shit that has become so prevalent and do not hesitate to call you on it. If you weren't a shitty cop, you wouldn't feel Iike the hate was directed towards you. </div></div>

Right, that must be it. I defend my profession from idiots who contribute nothing to society, our country</div></div>

wow - judge much bro? How the heck do you know what we contribute or don't? You whine about generalization but then come out with a prime example of one yourself. YOu see, this is the heart of the matter. To people who CARE about things, the worst possible thing in the world is hypocrisy. You are full of it. You deride citizens that want a better police force and then think we don't care about our society or country. Well, if you care so much how come you're so willing to work for a mayor who openly advocate stop and search (a gross violation of rights) who openly supports anti-2ndA agendas and who openly pushes nanny-state policies.

You're a giant hypocrite. You laugh at us because in your tax-payer paid job you get to 'play with toys' that we only see on TV etc. Yeah, please, show me some more examples of that winning attitude we should all emulate.

You draw your pay, you tell us 'that's the way it is' when crimes go not just unsolved, but uninvestigated, yet you defend to the back teeth the fucked up actions of SWAT when they storm the wrong house, or negligent cops who can't shoot for shit (so much for access to cool toys, how about learning how to use them) and just about any other incompetant fool in a uniform. I'm not anti-cop and I don't believe many people on this forum are either, I'm against assholes becoming or being cops and other cops covering for them.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Paint us all with the same brush, know our jobs better than we do, have all the answers and that makes me a shitty cop. Gotcha!

"You get what you give and as you sow, shall you reap". Perhaps some of you should ask yourselves why that cop had a less than friendly demeanor towards you. Had nothing to do with being "jaded" which seems to be the catch word of the day now.

And for those that are jaded cause there are a bunch, ask yourselves how they got to be that way. </div></div>

Oh, so it's the fault of society that they got jaded? Perhaps they should leave then? If society was perfect then why would we need cops. Did anyone force them to stay? Did anyone beg them to become cops? I'm glad there are cops, because we need them, but we need good cops.

I didn't grow up wanting to do what I do now, truth is, I'm not all that fond of it and I do not like some of the people I have to work for on the client side but if I don't deliver, if I don't do my job not just to the best of my ability but better than most people, then I'd lose it in a heartbeat. It's being in the private sector, there's no 'that's the way it is' there's only performance and it's people like me that contribute so that people like you have a job. You can thank me by not supporting Bloomberg or his bullshit policies.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wes126</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It makes you just another Internet name hiding behind "I'd tell you but I'd have to kill you" </div></div>

Okay, so post your department and PM the email address for your supervisor so I can forward your posts to them and your local media outlets. Then I will tell you. How's that? </div></div>

Get bent. Keeping personal details to myself and alluding to some secret squirrel job that you can't tell anyone about are a ways apart.
 
Re: I'm sure this will not be an isolated incident

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pawprint2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most of these stories about LE are made up, no truth to them at all. For example: there is a web page, PoliceMisconduct.net for those that like to make up stories, if even half of those stories were true, the "average Joe" would be upset and showing his anger at the polls. This isn't happening. Most cops and most departments are 100% honest. How do you think a crooked cop could get away with it for very long, he/she is surrounded by honest cops all day, 5 days/week (minimum), they'd "catch-'em" and kick them off the force, if not arrest the "bad apple" in a hurry.</div></div>

Most does not equal 100%. That is where your logic falls short.
 
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I forgot about the " I get to play with cop-only toys that mere civilians aren't allowed to enjoy!" Lmao! I'd love to see what it is that you think you are privileged to. Is it those badass Glocks with a 12lb trigger? How about those super sweet blinky lights and siren? Whatever you think it may be, I bet someone here owns a dozen of each and has never worn a badge.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wes126</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wes126</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It makes you just another Internet name hiding behind "I'd tell you but I'd have to kill you" </div></div>

Okay, so post your department and PM the email address for your supervisor so I can forward your posts to them and your local media outlets. Then I will tell you. How's that? </div></div>

Get bent. Keeping personal details to myself and alluding to some secret squirrel job that you can't tell anyone about are a ways apart. </div></div>

Ah, so wanting to protect myself from potential reprocussions by my employer and you wanting to do the same are somehow different. The only difference here seems to be that I am smart enough to understand that the internet is not truly anonymous and untrackable and you aren't.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pawprint2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most of these stories about LE are made up, no truth to them at all. For example: there is a web page, PoliceMisconduct.net for those that like to make up stories, if even half of those stories were true, the "average Joe" would be upset and showing his anger at the polls. This isn't happening. Most cops and most departments are 100% honest. How do you think a crooked cop could get away with it for very long, he/she is surrounded by honest cops all day, 5 days/week (minimum), they'd "catch-'em" and kick them off the force, if not arrest the "bad apple" in a hurry.</div></div>

Most does not equal 100%. That is where your logic falls short. </div></div>

I don't know how to respond to this, perhaps a few example would make it easier for you to understand. Examples: Most of the cars are 100% red in color. Most of the road is 100% paved, or most of the readers of my post had 100% understanding. Your comment, "Most does not equal 100%" demonstrates a problem with your basic understanding the written word. As the subject of this thread is "I'm sure this will not be an isolated incident", in your case I'm sure this is not an uncommon incident.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I forgot about the " I get to play with cop-only toys that mere civilians aren't allowed to enjoy!" Lmao! I'd love to see what it is that you think you are privileged to. Is it those badass Glocks with a 12lb trigger? How about those super sweet blinky lights and siren? Whatever you think it may be, I bet someone here owns a dozen of each and has never worn a badge. </div></div>

Yea maybe you own several dozen F/A weapons (just to name one platform) but how much does that cost you lol? I could include multi million dollar helicopters, speed boats, high end optics, scuba gear, ROVs, robots, NV gear, thermal gear, etc etc. But I'm sure you have a dozen of each.

Funded by you the tax payer! Thanks bro, good looking out.
 
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Why thank you, coming from you that means alot, im touched
 
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EventHorizon wrote,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">clearly my physics sucks but how come the guy didn't get knocked on his ass or at least seriously bruised from the impact?</div></div>

Bro, we had a male shot with a Hi Point 9mm tonight. Witnesses on scene said that the bullet impacts made him do pirouettes Gangnam Style. I thought of you.
 
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Law enforcement officers (most) are not (does not equal) honest all of the time (100%).

Poor choice of words on my part, but I felt the need to dumb it down for the naive. You created an impossible answer to what you considered a hypothetical question. Simple fact is that no person or organization is honest 100% of the time. Not most, not few, NONE!

Your comment, "How do you think a crooked cop could get away with it for very long, he/she is surrounded by honest cops all day, 5 days/week (minimum), they'd "catch-'em" and kick them off the force, if not arrest the "bad apple" in a hurry." demonstrates a problem with your comprehension of human nature. The majority of people are prone to deceit in the face of conflict. Good policemen do stand by and do nothing while shitty cops violate human and constitutional rights. Hell, some of the shitty cops can actually hide their wrongdoings from their fellow officers. Policing police give rise to conflict. Conflict gives rise to instability. Instability gives rise to job loss. Job loss gives rise to hungry children. Don't think for a fucking second that officers aren't keeping their mouths shut after witnessing shitty cops in action. There are shitty superiors too and shitty people team up. If you can honestly say that most people of any profession are 100% honest, the I'll be the first to call you a liar.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yea maybe you own several dozen F/A weapons (just to name one platform) but how much does that cost you lol? I could include multi million dollar helicopters, speed boats, high end optics, scuba gear, ROVs, robots, NV gear, thermal gear, etc etc. But I'm sure you have a dozen of each.

Funded by you the tax payer! Thanks bro, good looking out.</div></div>

So how much of that do you own? Not one item on that list is limited to use by someone with a badge. Aside from a multimillion dollar helicopter I can place my hands on any of that within 15mins. Please tell me how many multimillion dollar helicopters you have flown. You plainly said that you got to play with stuff that measly citizens did not have the privilege of doing. You still haven't named a single toy that a citizen can't play with. Fact is that even with your shiny little badge, I can own more of that junk than you ever could in NY. Last I heard a pair of nunchucks landed you in the slammer.
 
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Really?

Who plays with the coolest stuff is where this has gone?

Give it a rest, this whole thread has turned into pure drivel and what amounts to a couple kids having a dick measuring contest on the play ground. Sure, someones dick is going to be bigger, but when you think about it, you guys are staring at each others dicks.

If you don't, someone like Big Joe might come along and smack both of you in the mouth with his man dick made out of submarines, GBU's, and HAHO equipment.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: victory</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Really?

Who plays with the coolest stuff is where this has gone?

Give it a rest, this whole thread has turned into pure drivel and what amounts to a couple kids having a dick measuring contest on the play ground. Sure, someones dick is going to be bigger, but when you think about it, you guys are staring at each others dicks.

If you don't, someone like Big Joe might come along and smack both of you in the mouth with his man dick made out of submarines, GBU's, and HAHO equipment. </div></div>

That's a mighty big dick! Does he use belted 7.62 as veins for such a massive dong?
 
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No one is arguing about dick size. Slappy just found his and thought no one else knew about theirs....
 
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Slapchop, Wes, why don't you guys understand that defending the actions of someone who is questionably abusing a citizens Rights does not look good for any LEO's. I fully appreciate keeping your mouth shut for your brother, as sometimes the anger gets the best of us. What you guys have done is said fuck what you civilians think we know your Rights better than you do, because we've all been told how to perceive those Rights.
For the most part I respect LEO's and I understand the shit they have to deal with. Imagine that all LEO's are a bowl of soup, and one of those chunks is a peice of shit they just contaminated the whole bowl or would say just ignore the shit a d eat around it? That applies to all groups especially the Military. One fuck up screws it up for everyone else, and makes it so your always having to go above and beyond to show that your better than that. Defending bad actions, or questionable ones doesn't do shut for people's opinions of you or your fellow Officers. I know it's not the first time you' ve jumped up to defend the questionable acts of a fellow LEO, and I doubt it'll be the last. If you want to help LEOs get a better image in the publics eyes you have to stop this shit. As far as your elitist attitude thinking you know about freedoms better than non LEO's there is no helping you on that shit.
The difference inbetween is there are those who have learned what to think by adopting others opinions through instruction, and there are those who have formed thier own opinions by reading the source and documentation of how our freedoms were derived. As a LEO you should have made it your first and foremost priority to fully do the latter. It is your own knowledge and perception of citizens Right's that stop those above you from being able to strip them away effortlessly. As an LEO you are entrusted with Authority under the pretext that you will not let anyone's Right's be denied to them. That's not an easy job when your perception of the people's Right's do not coincide with theirs.
We do not need some fancy fuck lawyer to explain our Right's. We don't need them to explain that video taping an arrest in public is well within our Right's. We don't need them to tell us it's unreasonable for that tape to be confiscated, for it to be lawfully confiscated would be to imply that it was in fact illegal. The bag of weed on the dash would be a lawful confiscation as it is illegal. Taking away a weapon when no crime was committed would be wrong. You are supposed to give people the benefit of the doubt that are innocent until proven guilty of a crime. Does that mean that sometimes your job will be harder or more dangerous? Sure it does and that's exactly why the taxpayer pays for your training and equipment. You need citizens in your corner to help make your job easier and safer. So stop standing up for the turn in the bowl. If you can't say that he was wrong then learn to hold your tongues or feed the fuel of the anti-LEO crowd. There's not much difference inbetween condoning the actions and silence, except the silence doesn't feed the fire as quickly.
Do yourself a favor and read The Federalist Papers and Common Sense. Then go back and question everything honestly and read through the Declaration and Constitution carefully. I doubt anyone who can comprehend those documents would say that taking that camera was right. If you guys don't have the time or desire to do that then please step down from your positions, and go do something else.
 
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Hillbilly, I read your post and will reiterate, again, that I did not watch the video and am not defending the officer, only arguing the general disparages made by the posters far earlier into this conversation than you joined.

Videoing an arrest in public is your right. Seizing said tape for evidence, if it contains evidence of an offense, is ours. You are basing an assumption on no experience, or you would know otherwise. I would argue that I probably do know your rights better than you, and every other guy that has argued that "he knows his rights!" while being arrested. We actually do spend a bit of time learning them so as not to violate them.

Fwiw, a bag of weed is not, in itself, illegal. Possession of it is. Minutia, I know, but we have to pay attention to that in law enforcement, lest someone take offense. I'm not sure where your comment about taking away a weapon comes from but you're right, other than a temporary disarmament for my articulable safety, that would be illegal.

You probably do need a fancy fuck lawyer to explain your rights. Most people don't understand them and base their assumptions on half assed and retarded conjecture.

Wtf are the Federalist Papers and Common Sense? I'll google that tomorrow. In the meantime, read recognized legal documents such as your state's Code of Criminal Procedure and Penal Code, or it's equivalent. I suspect you will find more fact than I will in your literature.

You were almost right in one respect: this is not the first time I've defended my profession, even on this forum. It won't be the last.

Again, for all who ignored all the other times I've said this, I DID NOT WATCH THE VIDEO AND AM NOT DEFENDING THE INDIVIDUAL OFFICER. If that's not clear enough now, drink chlorine and cleans your gene pool. I stood to defend my profession against the general statements of a few who are no longer even involved in this conversation. From this point on, if you weren't involved in this discussion on page 1, considered yourself ignored as white noise.
 
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Wes, i got your back brother, let me translate your last post so these mouthbreathers can understand, clears throat,um humm

"FOR THE LAST TIME I DID NOT WATCH THE VIDEO TO WHICH IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD, INSTEAD I WILL USE THIS THREAD AS MY PULPIT TO SHOW YOU DIPSHITS THAT I AM AWSOME AND SUPER COP MEOW, I WILL ADMITEDLY SAY I DONT CARE WHAT YOUR THREAD IS ABOUT MEOW, I WILL CONTINUE YO ASSAULT YOU ALL RIGHT MEOW VERBALLY IN SUCH A WAY AS TO STEER THIS THREAD INTO A COP VS PUBLIC THREAD MEOW, PS VJJ IS A DOUCHE RIGHT MEOW"

dont bother thanking me bro its what im here for
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">EventHorizon wrote,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">clearly my physics sucks but how come the guy didn't get knocked on his ass or at least seriously bruised from the impact?</div></div>

Bro, we had a male shot with a Hi Point 9mm tonight. Witnesses on scene said that the bullet impacts made him do pirouettes Gangnam Style. I thought of you. </div></div>

Let me make your job easier for you. If the male was shot with only one bullet fired at least you know it couldn't have been by a NYPD cop...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: victory</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Give it a rest, this whole thread has turned into pure drivel and what amounts to a couple kids having a dick measuring contest on the play ground. Sure, someones dick is going to be bigger, but when you think about it, you guys are staring at each others dicks. </div></div>

In an related but irrelevant note, this has me laughing my ass off.
 
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Reminds me of all the haters weighing in on the dead cats thread.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Law enforcement officers (most) are not (does not equal) honest all of the time (100%).

Poor choice of words on my part, but I felt the need to dumb it down for the naive. You created an impossible answer to what you considered a hypothetical question. Simple fact is that no person or organization is honest 100% of the time. Not most, not few, NONE!

Your comment, "How do you think a crooked cop could get away with it for very long, he/she is surrounded by honest cops all day, 5 days/week (minimum), they'd "catch-'em" and kick them off the force, if not arrest the "bad apple" in a hurry." demonstrates a problem with your comprehension of human nature. The majority of people are prone to deceit in the face of conflict. Good policemen do stand by and do nothing while shitty cops violate human and constitutional rights. Hell, some of the shitty cops can actually hide their wrongdoings from their fellow officers. Policing police give rise to conflict. Conflict gives rise to instability. Instability gives rise to job loss. Job loss gives rise to hungry children. Don't think for a fucking second that officers aren't keeping their mouths shut after witnessing shitty cops in action. There are shitty superiors too and shitty people team up. If you can honestly say that most people of any profession are 100% honest, the I'll be the first to call you a liar.

</div></div>The only part of your statement that rings true is, "Poor choice of words on my part". Sadly, people see in themselves what they see in others, your statement regarding LE is more of a reflection about yourself-and very revealing at that!
Your statement, "Good policemen do stand by and do nothing...", is a good example of stupidity. If they "stand by", they are not Good! You can call me anything your like, if that is what it takes to make you feel like a man. Your "all knowing attitude" is in need of some help! There seems to be a "help" group for just about everything in the world today, you need to find one that concentrates on helping those with serious personality flaws. Good luck
 
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Hell of a shit storm, and it wasn't even me that started it.
Keep up the good work. I am enjoying it. Regards, FM
 
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I think Slappy is just a troll, like me, that loves to get a LEO civilian scrap going, then let it drop. Regards, FM
 
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Paw you clearly don't interact with human beings very often. You especially do not interact with law enforcement. I envy your ignorance.

Your little attempt at psychoanalysis was cute, but associating projection, with a person that doesn't interact with an environment associated with the alledgely projected characteristic, is a bit of a stretch.

My experience with the good cop bad cop interaction is strictly third-person. I know officers on both sides of the fence and frequently hear both sides of the story. There are good officers who want to defend the rights of citizens. However, putting their family's welfare at risk is not worth the gamble. You clearly have never been in such a situation, so you can say from your little dream world that such an officer is a bad officer. The fact is that sometimes they have to let the shit pile up before they can drop the hammer. This is especially true when their superiors are just as bad.

It is painfully obvious that you really don't know what you are talking about. The reason I come across as "all knowing" is because I keep my fucking mouth shut when I have no experience with the topic at hand. I've been listening to a few different officers talk about the political battles for years now. Quite a few have been revealed for what they really are in that time. The problem is that the good officers have to convince morons like you, slappy, and Wes that bad cops do actually exist. That can take years in a community where cop-civilian interaction is infrequent. Then, when the bad ones are ran off, they just move over a couple of counties, join that force, and we are back to square one. You just keep living in your fantasy land though. What's the population of Mayberry these days? Wait, Mayberry is a bad example.... Even harmless old Barney Fife was a shitty cop.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Paw you clearly don't interact with human beings very often. You especially do not interact with law enforcement. I envy your ignorance.

Your little attempt at psychoanalysis was cute, but associating projection, with a person that doesn't interact with an environment associated with the alledgely projected characteristic, is a bit of a stretch.

My experience with the good cop bad cop interaction is strictly third-person. I know officers on both sides of the fence and frequently hear both sides of the story. There are good officers who want to defend the rights of citizens. However, putting their family's welfare at risk is not worth the gamble. You clearly have never been in such a situation, so you can say from your little dream world that such an officer is a bad officer. The fact is that sometimes they have to let the shit pile up before they can drop the hammer. This is especially true when their superiors are just as bad.

It is painfully obvious that you really don't know what you are talking about. The reason I come across as "all knowing" is because I keep my fucking mouth shut when I have no experience with the topic at hand. I've been listening to a few different officers talk about the political battles for years now. Quite a few have been revealed for what they really are in that time. The problem is that the good officers have to convince morons like you, slappy, and Wes that bad cops do actually exist. That can take years in a community where cop-civilian interaction is infrequent. Then, when the bad ones are run off, they just move over a couple of counties, join that force, and we are back to square one. You just keep living in your fantasy land though. What's the population of Mayberry these days? Wait, Mayberry is a bad example.... Even harmless old Barney Fife was a shitty cop. </div></div>

He was just the foil to Andy's good cop, but EXCELLENT POST.