O.K. so I have decided that the TBAC suppressor is going to be my first suppressor purchase. It will be going on a 300wm and am very curious of the recoil management that it will provide. I am looking at something that will provide the recoil management of an APA fat bastard. Would the 30P-1 or the 338P-1 be the better choice. Comments and opinions from those with experience using both or the equivalent of would be appreciated. Thank you.
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Well having run a 30P-1 on a .300WM, I can tell you that you are not going to see recoil reduction anywhere near what an APA Fat Bastard would do in the same situation. I don't think that it is even possible due to the way a suppressor works vs how a brake works. I can tell you that my .300WM running a factory Savage 3 port brake is like shooting a .308 and maybe even a tough lighter. Shooting the same gun and load with my 30P-1 is more like an extra still .308 load. I can shoot it for long periods with the can on and be just fine but the recoil is definitely more than with the brake on. Hope that helps.
Well having run a 30P-1 on a .300WM, I can tell you that you are not going to see recoil reduction anywhere near what an APA Fat Bastard would do in the same situation. I don't think that it is even possible due to the way a suppressor works vs how a brake works. I can tell you that my .300WM running a factory Savage 3 port brake is like shooting a .308 and maybe even a tough lighter. Shooting the same gun and load with my 30P-1 is more like an extra still .308 load. I can shoot it for long periods with the can on and be just fine but the recoil is definitely more than with the brake on. Hope that helps.
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You wont see any difference between those two as far as recoil goes. Like VS said suppressors as brakes are better than nothing, but not as good as an efficient brake.
You wont see any difference between those two as far as recoil goes. Like VS said suppressors as brakes are better than nothing, but not as good as an efficient brake.
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If ya go through the old threads someone else asked the same question and if I remember correctly Zak posted that if you are shooting more that 80 grains or more of powder the 338 can would work better.
If ya go through the old threads someone else asked the same question and if I remember correctly Zak posted that if you are shooting more that 80 grains or more of powder the 338 can would work better.
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coyote sniper
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coyote sniper
Nice user name
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I would run the 338BA over the 30P-1 for a 300WM. That extra volume is really going to eat up some of your felt recoil. Ive run 338 TBAC cans on everything from 338 to 6.5 calibers and it does very well on cutting those decibels down.
I would run the 338BA over the 30P-1 for a 300WM. That extra volume is really going to eat up some of your felt recoil. Ive run 338 TBAC cans on everything from 338 to 6.5 calibers and it does very well on cutting those decibels down.
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I have both cans in question. I don't think you'd have to go as big as the 338. The 30ba should be plenty good.
I have both cans in question. I don't think you'd have to go as big as the 338. The 30ba should be plenty good.
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If you have the money and you are going to be shooting a lot of .300WM or other big .30 cal magnums, them I would go with what KSY338 advised. The 30P-1 will definitely work but for the bigger stuff and lots of it, the 338BA or P-1 would be a better choice.
If you have the money and you are going to be shooting a lot of .300WM or other big .30 cal magnums, them I would go with what KSY338 advised. The 30P-1 will definitely work but for the bigger stuff and lots of it, the 338BA or P-1 would be a better choice.
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Thank you for your opinions and advice. I really appreciate it. I am just trying to justify the cost of a can. If it lowers the recoil and the noise then it would be good I guess. But if it don't do both then is it really worth it? I guess the best thing for me to do is find someone with a suppressor and shoot it and make up my own mind. Thank you for your help.
Thank you for your opinions and advice. I really appreciate it. I am just trying to justify the cost of a can. If it lowers the recoil and the noise then it would be good I guess. But if it don't do both then is it really worth it? I guess the best thing for me to do is find someone with a suppressor and shoot it and make up my own mind. Thank you for your help.
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Once you shoot suppressed...you never go back
Once you shoot suppressed...you never go back
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One thing to remember is that there is a small weight penalty for the BA series. Didn't stop me from buying a 338BA, but something that you might want to include in your decision matrix.
One thing to remember is that there is a small weight penalty for the BA series. Didn't stop me from buying a 338BA, but something that you might want to include in your decision matrix.
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Will the REAL Coyote sniper please stand up!
Will the REAL Coyote sniper please stand up!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Varmint Slayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Once you shoot suppressed...you never go back
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Yes sir, silence is golden!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Varmint Slayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Once you shoot suppressed...you never go back
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Yes sir, silence is golden!
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I really appreciate your opinions and advice. I am going to be shooting 208 grain A-Max's behind 70 grains of RL-22. I can see how the 338 would be a bit better than the 30. I heard that the recoil impulse is different with a supressor than without, is this true? I have been told that with the supressor the recoil is more like a gradual push than a fast shove. Sorry, that is the best way I know how to explain it. Please help if you can. Damn I wished i was around some of you guys to try them out.
I really appreciate your opinions and advice. I am going to be shooting 208 grain A-Max's behind 70 grains of RL-22. I can see how the 338 would be a bit better than the 30. I heard that the recoil impulse is different with a supressor than without, is this true? I have been told that with the supressor the recoil is more like a gradual push than a fast shove. Sorry, that is the best way I know how to explain it. Please help if you can. Damn I wished i was around some of you guys to try them out.
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Recoil with .300WM and the 30BA/30P-1 we believe feels very mild. We have a lot of rounds testing with an AI-AWM (.300WM) and think it's as mild or moreso than the brake. Your mileage may vary since how people feel recoil seems to be somewhat subjective.
Recoil with .300WM and the 30BA/30P-1 we believe feels very mild. We have a lot of rounds testing with an AI-AWM (.300WM) and think it's as mild or moreso than the brake. Your mileage may vary since how people feel recoil seems to be somewhat subjective.
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Zak, so would you say that with the 30P on that the recoil would be as mild as a light 308? I guess anything is better than no recoil reduction. I would just like something that will lower the recoil and would allow me to shoot more than a 20 round session and not be blowing all the dirt back into my face and the rifle like a break will. Also, would the 30P be better for me than the 338P? It will only be going on a 300wm.
Zak, so would you say that with the 30P on that the recoil would be as mild as a light 308? I guess anything is better than no recoil reduction. I would just like something that will lower the recoil and would allow me to shoot more than a 20 round session and not be blowing all the dirt back into my face and the rifle like a break will. Also, would the 30P be better for me than the 338P? It will only be going on a 300wm.
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It's hard to give a definitive answer for someone else, but our experience is that a suppressed .300WM can be shot "all day", this is using 15+ lb rifles though. Heavier bullets will typically have more recoil (ie 208 vs 190).
My personal feeling is that suppressors give less perceived recoil until you get up to .338 LM
It's hard to give a definitive answer for someone else, but our experience is that a suppressed .300WM can be shot "all day", this is using 15+ lb rifles though. Heavier bullets will typically have more recoil (ie 208 vs 190).
My personal feeling is that suppressors give less perceived recoil until you get up to .338 LM
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Thanks for the info Zak.
Thanks for the info Zak.
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My 30P does a great job of recucing recoil. It makes my 308 bolt gun feel like a 22lr. My Blackout and 223 ARs feel like BB guns.
My buddy has a 338P for his 338LM and it does a wonderful job of taming the beast.
Either way, you can't go wrong. Beware: TBAC suppressors are like crack. Once you try it, you can't say no.
My 30P does a great job of recucing recoil. It makes my 308 bolt gun feel like a 22lr. My Blackout and 223 ARs feel like BB guns.
My buddy has a 338P for his 338LM and it does a wonderful job of taming the beast.
Either way, you can't go wrong. Beware: TBAC suppressors are like crack. Once you try it, you can't say no.
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I, too, would opt for the 338 can over the 30P-1 for a 300WM that will experience any kind of volume of fire.
Compared to a .308 the recoil in a 300WM is a long push. Either can will make the recoil more comfortable, with a very long recoil pulse.
Using the can will be a good reminder to concentrate on follow-through with a magnum.
I, too, would opt for the 338 can over the 30P-1 for a 300WM that will experience any kind of volume of fire.
Compared to a .308 the recoil in a 300WM is a long push. Either can will make the recoil more comfortable, with a very long recoil pulse.
Using the can will be a good reminder to concentrate on follow-through with a magnum.
