Opinions of what will happen.

[MikeG]

So whats the worse case senario? I get about 10 emails a day from gun groups. Some I've never heard of before. I'm retired so I can't send money to everyone. I did the best I could. So what can Obama and his village idiots do? Worse case. I know of one guy who's dug a hole and gonna bury stuff(grounds frozen here too).
A couple lawyers I know say it will be minimal but I've heard 20 different things. Anyone have any real dope on what will most likely go on with the banning fever?

Mike G

 

[SniperCJ]

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I dont think anyone has any 'real' dope. Theres only so much that he can accomplish with EO's. I doubt he can shove a heavy duty ban thru congress. Might see a limited ban or some variation of the old assault weapons / mag limits ban. Either way itll be months don the road. Hopefully some of the knuckleheads will get a clue before then and buying and pricing sanity will return.

 

[Maggot]

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My guess is that some other moron will want his moment of fame and pull the same stupid shit as at VaTecha dn Newton, and keep the other morons stirred up. Lets face it, what is the most appealing aspect of a "Gun free zone"?

 

[waveone]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SniperCJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dont think anyone has any 'real' dope. Theres only so much that he can accomplish with EO's. I doubt he can shove a heavy duty ban thru congress. Might see a limited ban or some variation of the old assault weapons / mag limits ban. Either way itll be months don the road. Hopefully some of the knuckleheads will get a clue before then and buying and pricing sanity will return. </div></div>

Essentially agree, however, they are and will continue through the back door via expanded power of agencies such as DHS, BATF E and probably through the clowns over in the TSA. In fact that is what they are stating. Then they will go full court press and continual arm twisting in Congress. As I've stated, these are Marxists. They do not want us to own any type of guns and they have complicit individuals across the board from governing officials and various LE agencies who will exercise their expanded powers through color of law.

Anyone who doubts this just needs to go to the airport violating the 4th, and get molested. Then there is the BATFE collecting 4473 and other personal info from gun dealers. IF I am not mistaken that is also against the law or some article thereof.

Ultimately the .gov especially this regime will enact their agenda by any means necessary

 

[Captain Kirk]

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I have a slightly different take on the whole thing. I don't think another Assault Weapons ban will pass on a federal level, they will most likely focus on capacity restrictions and REALLY focus on the "mental health" aspect. Here is a scenario;

You have a child who has ADD,ADHD, Aspergers or some spectrum of Autism that lives in your home, you have guns, you get flagged while you are purchasing a firearm and are denied. You are caring for your elderly parent or relative who is on some form of medication or who has been diagnosed with fading mental health, you get flagged while you are purchasing a firearm and are denied.

I believe this is where they will be able to determine who should acquire, own, posses firearms.

 

[Daveworkslocal]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I have a slightly different take on the whole thing. I don't think another Assault Weapons ban will pass on a federal level, they will most likely focus on capacity restrictions and REALLY focus on the "mental health" aspect. Here is a scenario;

You have a child who has ADD,ADHD, Aspergers or some spectrum of Autism that lives in your home, you have guns, you get flagged while you are purchasing a firearm and are denied. You are caring for your elderly parent or relative who is on some form of medication or who has been diagnosed with fading mental health, you get flagged while you are purchasing a firearm and are denied.

I believe this is where they will be able to determine who should acquire, own, posses firearms. </div></div>

Not only that, what about the vets with ptsd or who have seen a therapist for stress or depression. These guys can fight for our country but the government can deem them as mentally unstable. It's a pandoras box.

 

[TenZero]

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I honestly think a Feinstein type ban will not pass through congress. I also think that Dem leadership does not have full understanding of the sh!tburger they have taken a big bite of on this issue. The amount of political capital they are expending on this is huge, and I don't think they understand that.

 

[turbo54]

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My $0.02:

We are living in a new Amerika. An AWB may not pass during this administration, but the trajectory this country is following is not reversible.

In time, we will either:

Fail and fall into chaos, which will ultimately lead to bans, registrations and confiscations

or

Follow in the footsteps of the UK with bans, registrations and confiscations

It's only a matter of time.

Don't misunderstand me! Fight it according to the political process. Peacefully assemble and petition our government for a redress of grievances. Use your 1st amendment rights BOLDLY until we don't have them anymore. Do your utmost. Act as if the whole struggle depends on you alone.

 

[MikeG]

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I'm running a bit nervous. Hopefully something will take some of the heat off us. As I said in my most Markie (not real name) is planning on burying some of his shit and marking it with a gps in his deer hunting land. I'm HOPING that isn't what it will come to. Still I'm loosing sleep over this but I was before the Conn. shooting because they re-elected that POS. Anyone ask me if I have firearms I tell em I have a BB rifle and an air pistol.

Mike G

 

[Bradu]

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I don't know what to expect will come of this. At first I laughed at all the panic buyers, then NY passed their gun laws and it started to worry me. I just bought a reloader a few weeks ago but now I can't find loading supplies and I don't when they will be back in stock. I sure hope it doesn't last too long or I'm going to feel like an idiot for dropping a bunch of money on something I can't use.

 

[Femadog]

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100% background checks will probably make it. Gun Show Loophole is too easy to say on the news. Hopefully we get the immediate family exemption that NY somehow left in their bill. I don't think the ban on semi-autos will pass but I'm not so sure about the large capacity magazines. I can see a lot of moderate gun owners not going to bat on that one or thinking they can toss it to the grabbers as a bone.

My read is that we are going to get bit at the state level. NY is just the tip of the iceberg. When others see what they did, they will expand what they think is possible. Who would have thought Colorado would be the black hole of the western states. Everyone around us is talking about loosening restrictions but our idiots in Denver and Boulder will try to continue pushing Kalifornication on us.

The end of grandfathered clauses? Registration? Requiring face-to-face ammo sales? Ammo and component taxes?

You think the cost of scrap lead is high now!

jm2c

 

[High Binder]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TenZero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> and I don't think they understand that. </div></div>

I think they do, which is why Obama's Executive orders" weren't even orders but simple "I wanna do this:" 'actions'. They know they don't have it and they know their up for an epic battle if they push the issue. I think they're going into damage control mode and looking to create a new scandal to take the minds of the people elsewhere while they try to forget they even mentioned the idea. Basically they got spanked hard and they know it's a non-starter so it's off to the next scandal to create/exploit.

The real damage will come from individual states like NY who are unencumbered and can just shove shit through without any consideration for the opposition party. This is also a great opportunity for us to stay on their coat-tails by forcing our individual states to pass laws baring the federal government from enforcing such laws, symbolic or not, in the future.

Now that they're retreating it's time to stick it to them as they have to us for the last decade and punish them for even trying to interfere with the 2nd.

I could be putting the cart in front of the horse here and claiming an false early victory but it doesn't matter as either-way we need to push and push hard now for our rights. There will be another school shooting any day now and when there is we'll be right back behind the 8-ball an panicking again if we don't make our voices/power heard now.

Now is also the time to get non-shooters involved/educated. It's a good time to push our non-safe owning friends into buying a safe and securing their guns.

Personally, I'm going to get more involved with my legislature.

 

[MikeG]

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Luckly I'm a 1000 deep on large rifle match primers and 168 BTHP

 

[eleaf]

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Nothing substantial.

If Obama thought he could pass something, he would have asked for more than the same 3 things gun grabbers have yearned for for years, and he wouldn't have had to use children surrounding him.

We won't have an AWB, and I don't think we'll see any magazine capacity restrictions either. He get get some more stuff for background checks, but I doubt he'll get it for ALL transfers like he wants.

In short, Team BLUE knows that Dem representatives and Senators in rural states cannot survive if they vote for gun restrictions. The voters will have their asses. And without them, they can't get anything they want.

It appears that we're going to have a few weeks of whining and crying from those who would take our guns, but that's about it.

Unfortunately, the threat of it has caused the market to go haywire, so no one can really get what they're after right now, and it will likely be a year or more before things settle down again.

 

[KNIGHT11B4]

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The fact is it all depends on how active WE stay to promote the sustainment of the 2A.

This includes writing reps, communicating with the general public(Responsibly and Professionally), and informing people with the facts about these threats to not only the 2A but the Constitution.

The end game will be a reflection of how we play.

 

[c_morse]

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I read somewhere earlier that the NRA was now supporting Universal Background Checks?

If that is the case, then that part might definitely happen.

I don't see an AWB or magazine capacity limits being enacted. It's too radical to pass this Congress.

 

[mexicanmatch]

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At this early stage we must continue to put pressure on all elected officials and not let up, keep cool heads and loo for weaknesses in the oposition and use it to our advantage. MM

 

[Infinity]

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It all looks better for us if each of us takes the 30 seconds it takes to address all of our reps. Fellow member Mark Dalzell made it easy for us...

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3823299&gonew=1#UNREAD

 

[intrepidtek]

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Interesting perspective, but I think that's too subjective to determine who can/can't own a firearm.

 

[MikeG]

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I've emailed all Rep and Senator except our Liberal party hack which would be a waste of time.
Mike G

 

[Anvil_X]

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Its always worth sending a letter though, I sent an email to my Deceptocrat senator and he sent me a nice email back saying he is Pro 2A and will be opposing GC/AWB. so it really can't be said that the RepubliKons are the only representatives on our side.

Probably because its Alaska and even our hippies are packing serious firepower... but still.

 

[aur0ra145]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I have a slightly different take on the whole thing. I don't think another Assault Weapons ban will pass on a federal level, they will most likely focus on capacity restrictions and REALLY focus on the "mental health" aspect. Here is a scenario;

You have a child who has ADD,ADHD, Aspergers or some spectrum of Autism that lives in your home, you have guns, you get flagged while you are purchasing a firearm and are denied. You are caring for your elderly parent or relative who is on some form of medication or who has been diagnosed with fading mental health, you get flagged while you are purchasing a firearm and are denied.

I believe this is where they will be able to determine who should acquire, own, posses firearms.</div></div>

This. I think these low level "not about guns" stuff will be the worst thing to come out of this. Having doctors spy on us via new health care laws is not something we should accept.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now is also the time to get non-shooters involved/educated. It's a good time to push our non-safe owning friends into buying a safe and securing their guns.

Personally, I'm going to get more involved with my legislature. </div></div>

Also this.
I had an opportunity to introduce several people to shooting, I talked about safety, ethos and why firearms are needed for protection against other and the fed gov. One of them, a med student, went out and bought an AK a few days later...

 

[Armed Ferret]

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Mike, don't know if you remember me or not, but I'm the guy who was at Offutt about 6-7 years ago. We went shooting down by Nebraska City.

Anyway, I used the ruger link that's going around facebook and emailed EVERYONE at once. Already got a response from Rep. Latham; it follows his track record of being VERY pro 2A. The rest, not a word. Probably won't hear one either.

Buddy of mine is sending a Molon Labe postcard to Harkin's office. I'm sure it'll be sanitized by one of his dozens of handlers/aides and he'll never see it.

 

[Magstang1]

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/// Walks into gun store to purchase firearm.

Customer: I'd like to purchase this one please.

Employee: Right away sir. May I see your proof of:

1) Firearms owner identification card.

2) Firearms owner comprehensive insurance policy.

3) Proof of certified safe storage facility.

4) Record of ammunition purchase history.

5) Purchase permit for firearm.

Ok, plus $ ammo tax, $ recording fee, $ registration fee....

Comes to $ you can't afford it anymore.

Customer; Nevermind.

/// Walks out of store.

 

[USMC mustang]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Daveworkslocal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I have a slightly different take on the whole thing. I don't think another Assault Weapons ban will pass on a federal level, they will most likely focus on capacity restrictions and REALLY focus on the "mental health" aspect. Here is a scenario;

You have a child who has ADD,ADHD, Aspergers or some spectrum of Autism that lives in your home, you have guns, you get flagged while you are purchasing a firearm and are denied. You are caring for your elderly parent or relative who is on some form of medication or who has been diagnosed with fading mental health, you get flagged while you are purchasing a firearm and are denied.

I believe this is where they will be able to determine who should acquire, own, posses firearms. </div></div>

Not only that, what about the vets with ptsd or who have seen a therapist for stress or depression. These guys can fight for our country but the government can deem them as mentally unstable. It's a pandoras box. </div></div>

It is a Pandora's box but it needs to be addressed. I hate to think that the government would have that type of power and I could easily see them abuse it. We also need to ensure that there is no ramifications for seeking out counseling so guys who need help will get it.

On the other hand, I've been in the military for over 20 years and have served in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is a very small minority of men with PTSD who you DO NOT want to own firearms after they leave the service, I've known a few. It's a very bitter irony that a man who answered our nations call might justifiably have his right to own a gun curtailed because he is mentally unstable due to his service. The fact that the military medicates the hell out of these guys with the same psychotropic drugs that have been used by the overwhelming majority of the perpetrators of these mass shootings should cause some concern as well. The thorny issue is who makes that call, what's the criteria, and can the decision be rescinded when progress has been made?

 

[Maxwell]

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Here is what is happening in Jersey


LEGISLATIVE WARNING FROM EVAN NAPPEN:

SOME NJ GUN BILLS COULD CANCEL ALL NJ FID CARDS,
MANDATE POLICE TURN-IN OR FACE FELONY


By Evan F. Nappen, Attorney at Law (Exclusive to ANJRPC)

Out of the 23 bills recently filed in New Jersey, three dealing with mental health evaluations as a condition of issuance of FID cards contain potential severe unintended consequences that could invalidate every FID card in the state. They are A3688 (sponsors: Mainor and Jimenez), A3667 (sponsors: Cryan, O'Donnell, and Jasey) and A3676 (sponsor: Jimenez.)

All three of these bills require a mental health evaluation approved by the Superintendent of State police as a condition for issuance of a New Jersey Firearms Purchaser ID card under N.J.S. 2C:58-3c. Failure to do so is explicitly a "disability” under N.J.S. 2C:58-3c

A3676 also requires a privacy invading in-home inspection as a condition for issuance of an FID card, and A3688 requires submission of a list of household members with mental illness to the police to receive an FID card. Failure to obey these requirements are also explicitly "disabilities” under N.J.S. 2C:58-3c.


New Jersey law provides that an FID card is void if the holder becomes subject to a "disability.” Accordingly, if these bills take effect, ALL persons already holding an FID card who have not had the home inspection, psychological evaluation, or provided the list of household members (and thereby overcome the "disabilities” imposed by the legislation) MUST TURN IN their Firearms ID card to the Police. The turn in must be done within 5 days by law or face prosecution for 4th Degree Crime (Felony -18 months prison time.)

TAKE OUT YOUR OWN FID AND READ THE WARNING ON THE BACK.

These three bills have the potential to void every FID card in the state, and require their immediate return!

See for yourself. The law under NJS 58-3f. states:

"A firearms purchaser identification card shall be valid until such time as the holder becomes subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of this section, whereupon the card shall be void and shall be returned within five days by the holder to the superintendent, who shall then advise the licensing authority. Failure of the holder to return the firearms purchaser identification card to the superintendent within the said five days shall be an offense under subsection a. of N.J.S.2C:39-10.”