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G. I. Jane coming to a Foxhole near YOU

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January 23, 2013
Pentagon Lifting Ban on Women in Combat
By ELISABETH BUMILLER and THOM SHANKER

WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta is lifting the military’s ban on women in combat, which will open up hundreds of thousands of additional front-line jobs to them, senior defense officials said on Wednesday.

The groundbreaking decision overturns a 1994 Pentagon rule that restricts women from artillery, armor, infantry and other such combat roles, even though in reality women have found themselves in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan, where more than 20,000 have served. As of last year, more than 800 women had been wounded in the two wars and more than 130 had died.

Defense officials offered few details about Mr. Panetta’s decision but described it as the beginning of a process to allow the branches of the military to put it into effect. Defense officials said Mr. Panetta had made the decision on the recommendation of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Women have long chafed under the combat restrictions and have increasingly pressured the Pentagon to catch up with the reality on the battlefield. The move comes as Mr. Panetta is about to step down from his post and would leave him with a substantial legacy after only 18 months in the job.

Mr. Panetta’s decision came after he received a Jan. 9 letter from Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who stated in strong terms that the armed service chiefs all agreed that “the time has come to rescind the direct combat exclusion rule for women and to eliminate all unnecessary gender-based barriers to service.”

But there was a note of caution. “To implement these initiatives successfully and without sacrificing our war fighting capability or the trust of the American people, we will need time to get it right,” General Dempsey wrote.

A copy of General Dempsey’s letter was provided by a Pentagon official under the condition of anonymity.

The letter noted that this action was meant to ensure that women as well as men “are given the opportunity to succeed.”

As recently as two months ago, four servicewomen filed a federal lawsuit against the Pentagon challenging its combat restriction, saying they had all served in combat in Iraq or Afghanistan but had not been officially recognized for it. One of the women, Maj. Mary Jennings Hegar, an Air National Guard helicopter pilot, was shot down, returned fire and was wounded while on the ground in Afghanistan, but said she could not seek combat leadership positions because the Defense Department did not officially acknowledge her experience as combat.

In the military, serving in combat positions like the infantry remains crucial to career advancement in the military, and women have long said that by not recognizing their real service the military has unfairly held them back.

It is unclear to what degree Congress will review the decision, although in the past some Republican members of the House have balked at allowing women in combat. In recent years they have asked the Pentagon sometimes sharp questions when it became clear from news reports that women were in fact serving in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But as of Wednesday afternoon, there appeared to be bipartisan support for the decision on Capitol Hill.

“I support it,'’ Senator Carl Levin, Democrat of Michigan and chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in a statement. “It reflects the reality of 21st century military operations.'’

Senator Patty Murray, Democrat of Washington and the chairwoman of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee, called it a “historic step for recognizing the role women have, and will continue to play, in the defense of our nation.'’ She added that “in recent wars that lacked any true front lines, thousands of women already spent their days in combat situations serving side-by-side with their fellow male service members.'’

Senator Kelly Ayotte, a New Hampshire Republican and a member of the Armed Services Committee, said in a statement that she was pleased by the decision and that it “reflects the increasing role that female service members play in securing our country.'’

In his letter, General Dempsey said that work remained to set the proper performance standards, both physical and mental, for the new military roles now opening to women. He also set a number of “goals and milestones,” with quarterly progress updates required from the services.

In particular, the Navy will continue to assign more women to warships as privacy and berthing changes are completed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/24/us/pen...ref=global-home
 
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I'm glad I'm too old for this crap.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm glad I'm too old for this crap. </div></div>
+1

Often wonder why anyone would serve, under todays leadership and policy's.
 
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dude, shoulda seen the memo my buddy at 6th RTB got for when they have their first co-ed class

after having been deployed with an MP platoon attached to my Cav troop, I've seen women in direct combat roles. Out of the five women in that platoon, one was the best shot with an M2 I've ever seen, two were complete beasts as dismounted SAW gunners, and the other two were nothing but trouble.

Can you guess which ones were good looking?

Eh, whatever. I could give a fuck less seeing as how I'm out now, but they better damn well fix this PT Test Double standard crap if they want it to work.
 
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I don't know how it is now, that is for the infantryman, but as I recall, it SE Asia the jungles had a tendency to rip "ripstock" nylon. Most of use didn't wear undies, most of us at one time or other spent a month or two in the field with the crotch ripped out of our uniforms. We took showers when it rained.

Also more then once, I had to pee on a '60 barrel to keep it going.

Now ask your self, do you really want your daughters and granddaughters in the infantry. Afghan and Iraq aren't jungles, but we're in Africa now.
 
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Just glad my ass is retired its gonna get interesting thats for sure......
 
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Just so you guys know...The United States doesn't really care about "winning" wars anymore. Policy makers one and only concern is putting into place laws and policy that furthers their financial, social, and political standings. Period.
 
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I'm completely for this as long as one physical standard is administered (hint: it's the current standard for evaluating male physical fitness). Unfortunately, this will be a mess. Both sides will produce all the normal straw man arguments and cherry picked statistics. This issue will get so muddled that finding the actual data to support or condemn either side might as well be impossible. It sounds simple. Implement one standard, those that hack it do and those that do not don't get to play. But it'll be anything but simple. Today's military doesn't weed out the weak bodies. I've seen plenty of weak ass men in combat units that had no business being in one.
 
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I'm sure they won't lower the already weak standards right?
Yet another step by the communist administration to weaken America.
 
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Yes, just what I always needed in the field but could never find, a WM.
 
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Just more social engineering from this lame-ass administration. I'm so sick of it all. Can't believe that the American public kept this bunch of clowns in power!
 
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With respect, it doesn't matter what I think; it's gonna happen anyway.

It will go well or it will go badly, and it will take more time to decide than I probably have left to observe the result.

The surest way I know for it to go badly is for all the guys to bitch and moan like little girls about it long before it has any chance to go either right or wrong.

Wait and see. Some of us are going to be embarrassingly wrong on this.

Greg
 
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Ah, for fuck's sake.......

I have had this ongoing debate for damn near 20 years, I was good old fashion Infantry, and my spouse is/was a Medical Specialty Corp. puke. I was enlisted, and she just picked up Col. In September, 2012. That said, last night ended with her going to bed alone…….

I could give two shits about chicks in combat role, just make the infantry a segregated population between men and women (panty-six thinks this concept is no different than racism), but what the fuck would I know. Women are good shots, hell hath no fury of a women’s scorn, they can do damn near as much as many of the men I served with blah, blah, blah, but I still would not want to have to ruck some chick’s shit because she needs to change out a vagina cork……
 
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So, next step is for my daughter to register for a selective service card?

Over my dead body.

Chivalry is not dead, its OK ladies, you can let us men handle the fighting.
 
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I have a 16 y/o Granddaughter whose little Brother is dead-set on becoming a Marine. Personally, I think she'd be a better Marine then he would. Not that it's all that difficult these days, but I believe I have about another year yet before she can reverse roles with me and become my teacher at the rifle range.

The day <span style="font-style: italic">is</span> coming when we guys will finally get to shrug off our cloak of complacency and share the burden of being the top dog. I think it'll be a relief, and I think we'll even learn to like it.

Greg
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mission_fail</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm completely for this as long as one physical standard is administered (hint: it's the current standard for evaluating male physical fitness). Unfortunately, this will be a mess. Both sides will produce all the normal straw man arguments and cherry picked statistics. This issue will get so muddled that finding the actual data to support or condemn either side might as well be impossible. It sounds simple. Implement one standard, those that hack it do and those that do not don't get to play. But it'll be anything but simple. Today's military doesn't weed out the weak bodies. I've seen plenty of weak ass men in combat units that had no business being in one. </div></div>


The elephant in the room.


reminds me of those dudes that all got 300s on the current PT test but failed the PT test from WW II. If they're going to do this right, cut all the fatbodies in one fell swoop, and build a new PT standard off of the old WWII (its basically crossfit) manual. Call it the "Combat Arms Standard". Then make EVERYBODY that wants to join Combat Arms meet this standard.
 
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Can't wait for all the pregnancies that are gonna happen to the front line women. Sorry men don't get pregnant. When you put men and women together in these situations they are going to comfort each other if you know what I mean.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter McGavin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can't wait for all the pregnancies that are gonna happen to the front line women. Sorry men don't get pregnant. When you put men and women together in these situations they are going to comfort each other if you know what I mean. </div></div>
Deployment innoculations to include birthcontrol injections? All on the taxpayers dime.And Butch don't like meat.lol
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter McGavin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can't wait for all the pregnancies that are gonna happen to the front line women. Sorry men don't get pregnant. When you put men and women together in these situations they are going to comfort each other if you know what I mean. </div></div>

Bring back prophylactic kits.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The surest way I know for it to go badly is for all the guys to bitch and moan like little girls about it long before it has any chance to go either right or wrong.


Greg </div></div>

This is going to happen. Guys are going to see these as an emasculating move and it will cause the majority of them to condemn this initiative even if it ends up that women add to a capable fighting force.
 
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WWII, Soviet females, were among the best snipers, based on total targets serviced, the world has ever known. I believe there will be a new program of "quick promotion" for females in these branches "to make up for the past". As in other programs where we "made up for past wrongs" those that should be promoted, may not, to allow for a more balanced force, up and down the ranks. Time will tell if I'm right or not.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pawprint2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WWII, Soviet females, were among the best snipers, based on total targets serviced, the world has ever known. I believe there will be a new program of "quick promotion" for females in these branches "to make up for the past". As in other programs where we "made up for past wrongs" those that should be promoted, may not, to allow for a more balanced force, up and down the ranks. Time will tell if I'm right or not. </div></div>

This argument is pure garbage. They were utilized out of desperation not out of strategy. Not to mention they were in a very target-rich environment. Also it was the SOVIETS! because they don't try to spread propaganda to try to demoralize the enemy or anything....Women may be good shots, but guess what? So are men, AND they can hump a 130lbs ruck for 20k with 1 meal in the past 48 hours on no sleep. There is more to being infantry than getting a good PFT score.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter McGavin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can't wait for all the pregnancies that are gonna happen to the front line women. Sorry men don't get pregnant. When you put men and women together in these situations they are going to comfort each other if you know what I mean. </div></div>

So you are saying American servicemen are unable to control themselves unlike European soldiers who have been serving with women for years...

Interesting....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you are saying American servicemen are unable to control themselves unlike European soldiers who have been serving with women for years... </div></div>

I think that's what they call 'Low-T'.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yankee88</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pawprint2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WWII, Soviet females, were among the best snipers, based on total targets serviced, the world has ever known. I believe there will be a new program of "quick promotion" for females in these branches "to make up for the past". As in other programs where we "made up for past wrongs" those that should be promoted, may not, to allow for a more balanced force, up and down the ranks. Time will tell if I'm right or not. </div></div>

This argument is pure garbage. They were utilized out of desperation not out of strategy. Not to mention they were in a very target-rich environment. Also it was the SOVIETS! because they don't try to spread propaganda to try to demoralize the enemy or anything....Women may be good shots, but guess what? So are men, AND they can hump a 130lbs ruck for 20k with 1 meal in the past 48 hours on no sleep. There is more to being infantry than getting a good PFT score. </div></div>
This is not an argument, but rather historical fact. This was not done out of desperation as you state, but rather, was done to conform with the Communist ideals-check your history. These seem to be the same "ideals" we are now going down in the DOD. To argue that females should not be let into these jobs is Hate Speach, just as if you were to down grade others that are now allowed to serve, that just a few short years ago, would not have been allowed. Be careful, Hate Speach can get you banned, who know what other group you'll be saying bad things about next.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pawprint2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yankee88</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pawprint2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WWII, Soviet females, were among the best snipers, based on total targets serviced, the world has ever known. I believe there will be a new program of "quick promotion" for females in these branches "to make up for the past". As in other programs where we "made up for past wrongs" those that should be promoted, may not, to allow for a more balanced force, up and down the ranks. Time will tell if I'm right or not. </div></div>

This argument is pure garbage. They were utilized out of desperation not out of strategy. Not to mention they were in a very target-rich environment. Also it was the SOVIETS! because they don't try to spread propaganda to try to demoralize the enemy or anything....Women may be good shots, but guess what? So are men, AND they can hump a 130lbs ruck for 20k with 1 meal in the past 48 hours on no sleep. There is more to being infantry than getting a good PFT score. </div></div>
This is not an argument, but rather historical fact. This was not done out of desperation as you state, but rather, was done to conform with the Communist ideals-check your history. These seem to be the same "ideals" we are now going down in the DOD. To argue that females should not be let into these jobs is Hate Speach, just as if you were to down grade others that are now allowed to serve, that just a few short years ago, would not have been allowed. Be careful, Hate Speach can get you banned, who know what other group you'll be saying bad things about next.</div></div>

Female Marine, hate "speaching".
http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/article/get-over-it-we-are-not-all-created-equal
 
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Ive deployed both with all male infantry and as co-ed support, all male infantry had a mission first attitude with very little bickering and everyone knew they were expected to pull their own. The co-ed thing was full of fratinization and internal distractions, and hurt feelings making it tough on who was really carrying the load. It was awful
 
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The air force put women in combat positions a while ago. A fighter cockpit (boxoffice?) is different than infantry. It is one pilot's skill and training vs the others...there is no hiding the weaksisters so in that environment I think it is fine. The problem is the way it was implemented. Instead of letting the chips fall where they may, the AF decided that women fighter pilots WOULD be successful and "helped" some along. This is a real disservice to the rest of us, and the soldiers and marines we support. Most of all, it is a disservice to the women fighter pilots who DO meet the standard and deserve to be there, because everyone else is wondering if she is there because she should be, or because she got special treatment for political reasons. Changing the standard creates the problem. Set one absolute standard and see who makes it.
I think this will be worse with the army and marines. I also think it likely this will result in fewer rather than more women in the military.
 
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KYpatriot, it almost sounds as if you are against Affirmative Action, in any form? One absolute standard may sound good, but pushing for something like this could kill one's career. Your military career will be quite short if you voice your dislike for command directives that are Affirmative Action oriented. You must lie, or keep your mouth shut, if you are not 100% on board with the new policy-be very careful.
 
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i see it becoming a clusterfuck. truth is im not worried about people having sex or coed showers and shit. what im worried about is the inevitable need to lower physical standards to make them more equal. I agree that as long the physical standard was set and enforced then most adults will stfu. Even manly men will stfu when the chic gets a better score on her PFT than he did. But only as long as its the same standard. I never had a problem with a WM that pulled her weight, its actually kinda hot. But nothing made me madder than having to half ass some shit so a weaker marine could make the cut.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RebelRouser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ive deployed both with all male infantry and as co-ed support, all male infantry had a mission first attitude with very little bickering and everyone knew they were expected to pull their own. The co-ed thing was full of fratinization and internal distractions, and hurt feelings making it tough on who was really carrying the load. It was awful </div></div>

Same here, I experienced the same as an MP after being an 11B, thankfully I'm back in the combat arms as a 13F. This is a terrible decision and people are going to die as a result of it.
 
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Seems if Hegel and the CIC gets their way by decimating the military. ..the branches will be desparate to fill any position with any-warm-body.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cardinal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter McGavin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can't wait for all the pregnancies that are gonna happen to the front line women. Sorry men don't get pregnant. When you put men and women together in these situations they are going to comfort each other if you know what I mean. </div></div>

So you are saying American servicemen are unable to control themselves unlike European soldiers who have been serving with women for years...

Interesting.... </div></div>


Norway doesn't have the same amount of soldiers, airman, marines, or navy personal that the US of A has, so if there are pregnancies in Norway's military it would be less the the US military at the same percentage. From the numbers I have seen Norway's military is less than 30,000 full time military and civilian personal with the capabilities of the reserve troops to get the numbers up to 83,000. Compare that to the active duty US Army number of 1,456,862 and you can see the difference. Now you can see why it could be a problem fir the US military. BTW put young men and young women together with their hormones and you will get people doing it through out the world.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pawprint2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


This is not an argument, but rather historical fact. This was not done out of desperation as you state, but rather, was done to conform with the Communist ideals-check your history. These seem to be the same "ideals" we are now going down in the DOD. To argue that females should not be let into these jobs is Hate Speach, just as if you were to down grade others that are now allowed to serve, that just a few short years ago, would not have been allowed. Be careful, Hate Speach can get you banned, who know what other group you'll be saying bad things about next. </div></div>

Hate speech, lol, fuck you.

Tell me how many women have you seen blown up and missing limbs? How many men did you see completely break down when they should have been fighting because the chic they were trying to fuck no longer had a leg? How many girls do you know that got sent home from their deployment because they got pregnant? Have you ever gotten woken up at 0300 to mount up in your trucks to go out and pick up a bunch of fat dudes and women who couldn't handle the movement back into the FOB from a mission where they had to walk out of the valley because their exfil birds got cancelled, just to have one of your vehicles get hit on the way to pick them up? Now your platoon just lost 3 guys, because some stupid ass weaklings were where they shouldn't be. How many times did you run through fire to the back of an MRAP because your MK48 gunners are out of ammo from this 2 hour firefight, just to open it up and find two chics and a fucking Lieutenant huddled up in there? Then they act inconvenienced when you start yelling at them to get off of their asses and pass a couple of cans of 7.62 and M320 rounds to you.

Your happy go lucky everyone is equal view is based on nothing that has to do with fighting a war. You can emasculate yourself, leave those that do the fighting and dying alone.
 
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"Happy go lucky"???? It seems you are mad at me-If I could change things, in real life, I would. You should be directing your anger at those have the authority, the rank, those that make the rules. You seem to have a problem with the concept of Hate Speech, it is a fact of life, live with it. I didn't make the rules, but they are the rules nonetheless! It wasn't very long ago, gays were not allowed to serve-in fact, faced criminal charges if caught-now they serve openly and those that have anything bad to say about it, are in fact 'Hate Speechers'. I didn't make the rules. Not that long ago the DoD decided to give racial groups high priority when it came to promotions, to make up for past wrongs, to complain about that is Hate Speech. I didn't make the rules, but they are the rules nonetheless. It sounds to me as if you are full of Hate Speech, be careful do not let it get the best of you. You can be banned from this board for Hate Speech.
 
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Have you ever had to deal with a black female e-7 now imagine she is your PSG fuck that shit. I'll get back to this later but for fuckes sake,s you can not tell a female minority shit no matter how fucked up they are. I am not racist or sexist, but fuck this is a bad idea.

And they aren't going to start with female privates they are going to start with the officers and NCO's. What the fuck is a female SSG going to tell a SPC that has 2 tours killing people?(hint FOT A FUCKING THING)
 
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I like what this guy has to say about women in combat roles

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pawprint2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Happy go lucky"???? It seems you are mad at me-If I could change things, in real life, I would. You should be directing your anger at those have the authority, the rank, those that make the rules. You seem to have a problem with the concept of Hate Speech, it is a fact of life, live with it. I didn't make the rules, but they are the rules nonetheless! It wasn't very long ago, gays were not allowed to serve-in fact, faced criminal charges if caught-now they serve openly and those that have anything bad to say about it, are in fact 'Hate Speechers'. I didn't make the rules. Not that long ago the DoD decided to give racial groups high priority when it came to promotions, to make up for past wrongs, to complain about that is Hate Speech. I didn't make the rules, but they are the rules nonetheless. It sounds to me as if you are full of Hate Speech, be careful do not let it get the best of you. You can be banned from this board for Hate Speech. </div></div>

I see you getting banned before him... just my opinion...

You obviously have no idea what hate speech is.
 
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DP425, when you stated, """you obviously have no idea what hate speech is""" I realized I must be wrong, thanks for the heads up! I have always thought hate speech was: Hate speech is, outside the law, communication that vilifies a person or a group on the basis of one or more characteristics such as color, disability, ethnicity, gender, nationality, race, religion, and sexual orientation.
Can you/will you help me and others on this board out and tell us what is hate speech?
 
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Allow me to paint a picture for you:

You are on patrol with a small unit, say 12 people, in a remote area, nearest back up is hours away. Weather turns bad and all air support is grounded, lets say a dust storm. While on the patrol you come under attack, your position is less than idea with the enemy having the high ground and have surrounded your team. You call in for artillery support, only one battery is within range, a battery of 155mm howitzers.

Now, that artillery battery is all that stands between you being overrun, killed or captured (which leads to torture and beheading on tv) or giving you the needed edge to gain fire superiority and either destroy the enemy or at least allow you to break contact.

Those HE rounds weigh 100 pounds, not counting the bags of powder. Now who do want on those guns, a group of 105 pound females or a group of 175 pound men? Which group do you think are going to be able to keep up the sustained rate of fire, 5 rounds per minute, for hours on end?

Which group do you want to be relying on to keep you and your team alive?

Is that "hate speech"? Fuck that shit.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pawprint2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DP425, when you stated, """you obviously have no idea what hate speech is""" I realized I must be wrong, thanks for the heads up! I have always thought hate speech was: Hate speech is, outside the law, communication that vilifies a person or a group on the basis of one or more characteristics such as color, disability, ethnicity, gender, nationality, race, religion, and sexual orientation.
Can you/will you help me and others on this board out and tell us what is hate speech? </div></div>


You don't happen to be in combat arms do you?


No one is vilifying anyone based on anything. The problem is the typical/common physical ability average of male and female soldiers. There is a split standard for a reason- that exemplifies the fact that physically women and men are not equal. Only an idiot denies this... Hell, the government by having differing standards recognizes it.

The other problem is the male/female interaction that is intrinsic to both and how that is not a good fit into combat arms positions.



So, tell me again where there is hate speech? Even if there were "hate speech" here... you've obviously not been on this site for very long. There is all kinds of discriminatory speech allowed all over this site. As a site founded for military and law enforcement snipers and shooters, there is a "big boy's" essence of rule here. It means touchy cry baby bitches usually don't last too long... and the "hate speech" doesn't go anywhere unless blatantly extreme. Go look around in Maggie's Drawers Bar and Grill if you'd like some examples.


I haven't interacted with you long enough yet to come to a conclusion for myself on what type of person you are... but I'm starting to formulate an opinion.