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6.5G or 308

drake22

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I've been debating this one for months. It seems that I go back and forth. I currently have a nice 223 bolt gun and a 223 16' carbine. I've got a Wilson stripped lower thats been collecting dust. I'm interested to hear some other opinions since I can't make up my own mind. Should I just buy a heavy barrel 223 upper and keep it simple with one caliber.

Or do I venture into 6.5G or simply move to a different platform for a 308. I would love to hunt with it. I don't have any access to any 1000+ yard ranges. 90% of the time wwill be punching paper.

Appreciate all of the replys!
 
Re: 6.5G or 308

Not to be a dick at all but this question has been asked quite a few times and all the info you could ever want can be found from a simple search. Here are a few threads on the topic.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2630274
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2048353
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2185412

Having owned both systems there are a few diffrent things to think about...the 308 will need an AR-10 system or a bolt gun to run as it wont fit in the ar-15. The 6.5grendel is what it is because it was built to the limits of the ar-15.

In my opinon of a 6.5grendel vs ar-10 308 shootoff they are the same. Ballistic coefficients are about the same and their effectivness to 1k is about mirrored. The 6.5 grendel will fit in an ar-15, as 308 will not. The 6.5grendel will fit into a smaller package and has almost nonexistant kick. That's the only advantage over an ar-10 that I see. In the current market both are damn near impossible to get your hands on(and thats building it yourself from parts).
 
Re: 6.5G or 308

This was a 5 seconds worth of searching. With another 10 pages of info after that.

Read the info yourself.

Make your own decision based off your OWN RESEARCH.

You didn't give any info on what type of hunting/game you will be going after, how long of barrel, what gr bullet you are wanting to use, what range you will be shooting at the majority of the time. You said you have been kicking around the idea for months. Take notes, make out pro's and con's of each. Then go with your guy and enjoy. You don't need people on the internet telling you what you need.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2680081

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2048677

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1458497

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3332037

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1748390&page=all

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1847224

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1328834

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1003950
 
Re: 6.5G or 308

just to be fair, the search engine isnt work for everyone right now. just sayin
 
Re: 6.5G or 308

It still works if you go through all the trouble and go to Google and then do a search for Snipers Hide search engine.
 
Re: 6.5G or 308

308 EASYER TO FIND AMMO IN A PINCH!!!!!!
 
Re: 6.5G or 308

Not to be a dick...But anytime someone uses the phrase "Not to be a dick"...They are usually BEING A DICK!!! If you have a problem with a question asked, simply don't respond.
 
Re: 6.5G or 308

If your shooting around 500-600 meter either will do.
Im in the process of building a 6.5g Semi. the 65grendel forum has a wealth of information.
The upside to keep it in an AR 556 style rifle is being able to convert back to 300blkout, 6.8, 556 and so on.

AR 308s have 308s and 260 and some more but if your going into the 308 platform it would be stupid not to get a 260 Remington.

Upside to 308 is ammo availablity if you dont reload. But if your looking at 6.5 or possibly 260... you might want to reload.
 
Re: 6.5G or 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308Shooter1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not to be a dick...But anytime someone uses the phrase "Not to be a dick"...They are usually BEING A DICK!!! If you have a problem with a question asked, simply don't respond. </div></div>

My post was to empower the original poster by making use of the search feature.

Way to make a grand contribution to this thread.
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Re: 6.5G or 308

Having responded to this question a number of times. I'd like to clear the waters on a few issues.

.308 ammo was the first to fly off the shelves most everywhere I've been. It'll be a year before you see it again. 6.5G has NEVER been common on any shelf in any store I've ever walked into. That said, I don't like .308 factory and I definitely prefer my own rolled 6.5G. I prefer my own rolled anything.

A .308 will clean house on a 6.5G inside of 600m. They are not the same. Not at all. Once you get past the range of the .308's power advantage, the 6.5 will clean house on a .308. At that range, it's not really about either cartridge/caliber, it's about bullet efficiency. The 6.5, hands down, has the better bullets. That's why you can start lower and finish faster.

As noted above, if you want a .308/.260 you would have to go to a larger platform. That entails a bit of money. To me, more money than it's worth in an AR platform. Mostly because I don't like having a bulky AR when I could do most of the same with a lighter AR platform. Do note here what I meant by that. A .260 will clean house on a 6.5 at ANY range. Same bullet selection way more pop <span style="color: #3333FF"> than the 6.5G. The .260</span>** will also do the same to a .308.

**<span style="color: #3333FF">-edited for clarity</span>

I will expound a bit upon what I meant above. The AR platform to me is a handy combat weapon. Much handier and way more flexible than a bolt gun (rate of fire). But, as all combat weapons you need some volume of fire. Also, the best range you can get with that the better. But, when you add the weight of the -10 platform over the -15 platform, you may gain a ballistic advantage, but you lose the mobility/quantity edges. You don't have to get this based on those criteria. Just something to think about if you ever do want a 'fighting' weapon. Working a bolt in a tight situation isn't so good when against faster shooting systems. But for all out shooting distance. I'd take the bolt gun with a .260/7mm-08 size round every time.

The 6.5G offers the best of everything. Range, speed, quantity (both in carry and firing capacity), hitting power at range. It's not the one-all/do-all round but it's one of a few top runners in the -15 platform. It will meet all your needs from that.
 
Re: 6.5G or 308

With the current state of availability of ammunition, magazines and parts, this isn't exactly something that you can simply read into old threads for the right answer. This is a web forum for interaction, not a library for research alone. It's comments like above (not you SW, the other ones) that hinder the growth of our sport.

OP, I would recommend turning yourself towards a heavy barreled .223 upper, SPR/DMR style. Magazine and ammunition availability alone is why I recommend that. Barrels are still out there and available. Keep checking for Fulton Armory to come back online as last time they were, they had several good Criterion (by Krieger) barrels that will shoot quite well. There's other sources out there too, just keep your eyes open and email notifications will help as well. Most folks are looking for 14.5-16" barrels, so if you're sourcing a 18-20" you may have better luck finding one sooner than later.

Punching paper or ringing steel doesn't require the heavier hitting or ballisticly superior calibers if you aren't going past 600yds. Wind cheating differences inside that range is a moot point as well, and I view it as better training if you aren't competing anyhow.

You're already shooting .223, so you have the brass. If you're not already, get yourself a simple reloading kit to start into that. Ammo availability isn't that great now, so I would try to stick with what you have.

As for hunting, well I know the deer aren't all that big in the panhandle, so with the right round and proper shot placement you can easily hunt with it as well. Anything bigger, well that's where the .308 would come into play so consider your application there.

My answer may be totally different next year, and last year I would have said go .308 for more game taking versatility yet having a commonly found caliber, but in my opinion the current state of affairs don't allow for that right now at a reasonable value.
 
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Sandwarrior hit the nail on the head. Have all the mentioned rifles above and the 6.5G is the most fun. AR10 is just too heavy and bulky. I have not had any trouble finding ammo for Grendel. Check Grendel forum, there is a lot of good stuff for sale and info available. Small forum but a great bunch of guys. Satern is taking orders on Grendel barrels.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WildBill3/75</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308Shooter1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not to be a dick...But anytime someone uses the phrase "Not to be a dick"...They are usually BEING A DICK!!! If you have a problem with a question asked, simply don't respond. </div></div>

My post was to empower the original poster by making use of the search feature.

Way to make a grand contribution to this thread.
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Re: 6.5G or 308

Shoot 223 until next year. Sell the lower and invest in quality reloading equipment and spend this year learning to reload. If you reload already, buy components with the funds from the sale of the lower to reload 223. Stop eating up factory boxes of ammo and order some reloading supplies off the forum. IF you don't know how to reload, spend a few weeks reading reloading books. Get into the reloading forums and ask questions without doing anything hands on, yet. Make it known you're a newb. Hopefully, people will understand that you're newer and not make you feel like a retard...but if someone does, realize that many of the forum flamers who attack less experienced members have lost a lot of perspective. Being a professional at anything can lead to getting out of touch...especially when it comes to commoners who populate internet gun forums.

I get that you want to try a new caliber, but unless you are wealthy, this is a terrible time to do it. Everything is going to cost full retail if its not already been marked up to capitalize on your hysteria. So buy things to insulate your shooting habits against these lean times. Get set up to reload. Get plenty of bullets, powder and primers to feed the 223's. Shoot them a lot. If precision is your goal, pick up a heavy barreled 223 upper...just cringe when you do...but stay within caliber. Or upgrade your current AR. Get a Geissele or Gold trigger. Buy stripped parts and build a precision upper as parts show up in the forums on WTS ads. Look at the alternate calibers when the frenzy cools.

Personally from a shooting enjoyment/accuracy perspective:

(Biggest smile generator) 6.5 Creedmoor > 6.5 Grendel > 308 > 6BR > 223 (meh)

Cost over a long haul, brass, bullets, primers, powder:

(Cheapest) 223 < 308 < 6BR = 6.5 Grendel = 6.5 Creedmoor (Ouch)

Current bullet/powder availability in my area:

(Most available) 6.5 Grendel > 6.5 CM > 6BR > 223 = 308 (barren)

Current brass/primer availability in my area:

223 > 6.5 Grendel = 6.5 CM = 6BR = 308

Current brass/bullet availability online:

223 = 308 > 6.5 Grendel > 6BR > 6.5CM
 
Re: 6.5G or 308

I would vote that if you are going to go with the AR10 platform, I would blend your two caliber choices and go with 260 Rem.
 
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You could always use your 5.56 brass with the 6.5, if you reload. It's a little bit of work, but you can use it. The 7.62x51 as stated above, is pretty much one off. If you're shooting distance, I would say the 6.5, as trying to spot bullet trace with a 7.62 is like trying to spot a rainbow by comparison to the 6.5... The 6.5 shoots much flatter.
I would just shoot some 77gr 5.56, but that's me.
My .02
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jnv255</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You could always use your 5.56 brass with the 6.5, if you reload. It's a little bit of work, but you can use it. The 7.62x51 as stated above, is pretty much one off. If you're shooting distance, I would say the 6.5, as trying to spot bullet trace with a 7.62 is like trying to spot a rainbow by comparison to the 6.5... The 6.5 shoots much flatter.
I would just shoot some 77gr 5.56, but that's me.
My .02 </div></div>

Pretty much all wrong. Back to the drawing board.
 
Re: 6.5G or 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blackfoot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jnv255</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You could always use your 5.56 brass with the 6.5, if you reload. It's a little bit of work, but you can use it. The 7.62x51 as stated above, is pretty much one off. If you're shooting distance, I would say the 6.5, as trying to spot bullet trace with a 7.62 is like trying to spot a rainbow by comparison to the 6.5... The 6.5 shoots much flatter.
I would just shoot some 77gr 5.56, but that's me.
My .02 </div></div>

Pretty much all wrong. Back to the drawing board. </div></div>

LOL, yup.

From the numbers I have ran, a 6.5 Grendel AR shooting 123 AMAXs is ballistically similar in MV and BC to a 20" 308 shooting 178 AMAXs. Just pick the package you want.

If you are willing on going to the AR-10 size, you would really benefit by getting a 260 or 6.5 Creedmoor.
 
Re: 6.5G or 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DernHumpus</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blackfoot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jnv255</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-style: italic">You could always use your 5.56 brass with the 6.5, if you reload.</span></span></span> It's a little bit of work, but you can use it. The 7.62x51 as stated above, is pretty much one off. If you're shooting distance, I would say the 6.5, as trying to spot bullet trace with a 7.62 is like trying to spot a rainbow by comparison to the 6.5... The 6.5 shoots much flatter.
I would just shoot some 77gr 5.56, but that's me.
My .02 </div></div>

Pretty much all wrong. Back to the drawing board. </div></div>

LOL, yup.

From the numbers I have ran, a 6.5 Grendel AR shooting 123 AMAXs is ballistically similar in MV and BC to a 20" 308 shooting 178 AMAXs. Just pick the package you want.

If you are willing on going to the AR-10 size, you would really benefit by getting a 260 or 6.5 Creedmoor.</div></div>

I think that point was, that WILL NOT work. You cannot use 5.56 brass for a 6.5. No amount of fire-forming is going to work. You can fire-form Boxer primed 7.62x39 brass.
 
Re: 6.5G or 308

i am damn near done with my 308 build, JP supermatch, blah blah. i dont know shit about the 6.5, but a 308 is still a 308, it'll do pretty much anything you want. i'd say there are some game limits with a grendel. a grendel is not a 260.

and a 308 with a 155 is just as flat as a 6.5 grendel