Re: Suppressor superiority?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This should probably be moved to the Suppressor section...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: QuickSilver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Does a SP increase muzzle velocity? <span style="color: #FF0000">No</span>
Does a SP scrape away gasses for a cleaner "break" like a muzzle break? <span style="color: #FF0000">Lol... Definitely no...</span>
Will the SP require a cleaning/rebuild and if so, how often? <span style="color: #FF0000">All Suppressors require cleaning and the method is an entirely different discussion altogether that you should research and form your own opinion and/or follow the manufacturers recommended method. Some manufacturers will clean it for you also.</span>
Will the SP hide muzzle flash, because this is a serious problem with my bull barrel. <span style="color: #FF0000">Yes</span>
And most importantly: How will the SP affect accuracy? I realize that IF it does add some speed (5-15fps) that will have a small change on long range ballistics, but will it for some reason cause the bullet to climb right/sink left or vice versa?<span style="color: #FF0000"> Again... dependent on what suppressor you're using, but in many cases a suppressor can help increase accuracy IMO</span>
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<span style="font-weight: bold"> Great questions! You are on the right track. Many of the answers found above are, I believe, incorrect. Others are spot on. I can only offer the following:
<span style="text-decoration: underline">Does a SP increase muzzle velocity?</span> </span>
<span style="color: #FF0000">No</span>
This is incorrect, in a majority of instances you will get some "free boost" with a well designed suppressor attached. In a great can that would translate to a 12:00 rise.
<span style="color: #FF6600">Debatable... </span>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">Does a SP scrape away gasses for a cleaner "break" like a muzzle break?</span></span>
<span style="color: #FF0000">Lol... Definitely no...</span>
This is also incorrect, for either definition of "cleaner":
Cleaner as in Recoil : If you are talking about the ability of a suppressor to act as a "break" the answer is yes, but not as efficiently as a well made break (few are).
<span style="color: #FF6600">He asked if it would break cleaner, not if it would do so more than a particular break. You're trying to take a questions and turn it into the question you want to answer. If you're gonna do that shit then don't use me as your example.</span>
Read here
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...763#Post3415763 Cleaner as in amount of debris: Gasses are stripped from behind the projectile and, depending on design, either purged as a low pressure expel at the end car or with held within. As to the resulting propellant waste, again depending on design, it is either purged or held. Cans that are poorly designed are referred to as "trap" cans and can fill up with debris.
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<span style="text-decoration: underline">Will the SP require a cleaning/rebuild and if so, how often? </span></span>
<span style="color: #FF0000">All Suppressors require cleaning and the method is an entirely different discussion altogether that you should research and form your own opinion and/or follow the manufacturers recommended method. Some manufacturers will clean it for you also.</span>
Again, this is incorrect. IMO, no centerfire can needs to come apart. IMO, no well designed centerfire can needs or should be cleaned past the threads. For that very reason, many of the finest, most accurate suppressors for centerfire cartridges do NOT come apart for what the manufacturer believes are important critical dimension reasons. If a centerfire can comes apart, there is a reason and you need to take the time to understand why. I have found that come apart designs almost always are " trap" designs with no forward purge characteristics (monocores, twin tube, etc).
<span style="color: #FF6600">He asked about cleaning/rebuilding and I was talking about cleaning which in FACT you're supposed to do every time you clean your rifle. I didn't say anything about taking it apart to do so and again you're adding something that wasn't there to suit your answer. And if you want to argue the cleaning I'll take a picture of the Surefire owners manual which specifically says to as well as the brush they send with the can to clean it.</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">Will the SP hide muzzle flash, because this is a serious problem with my bull barrel. </span></span>
<span style="color: #FF0000">Yes</span>
Again, not correct. Many suppressors fail to fully stop flash out of the box. Some titanium cans actually flash or spark for other reasons. Many suppressors, when fired in a heavier firing schedule "overrun" the can and flash badly. Having said that, in your care, a bull barrel has nothing to do with flash. Do you mean you have a short barrel? If so flash can remain a large problem as unburned powder can make it in and through the can as well.
<span style="color: #FF6600">What kind of cheap suppressor are you using? You're even going so far as to try and change the question by asking about a short barrel. I've never seen a decent quality can produce muzzle flash nor heard of it doing that so I'd like to see your evidence other than hypothetical responses based upon the most unusual circumstances or cans being used improperly.</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">And most importantly: How will the SP affect accuracy? I realize that IF it does add some speed (5-15fps) that will have a small change on long range ballistics, but will it for some reason cause the bullet to climb right/sink left or vice versa?</span></span>
<span style="color: #FF0000"> Again... dependent on what suppressor you're using, but in many cases a suppressor can help increase accuracy IMO</span>
Poor answer, there are very few suppressors that can deliver excellent accuracy with no perceived Point of Impact change. So few, that even those companies, pride themselves on providing minimal POI change. Having said that, any can that can provide CONSISTENT POI change, that being that when you attach the can each and every time the rounds return to the same point of deviation is an accurate can. The operator, in that instance, is responsible for developing the right dope tables to account for that consistent change. As the top tier cans all suppress sound well (NONE ARE HEARING SAFE, there are no hearing safe supersonic bullet suppressors) your question of accuracy IS the most important question. In my experience the vast majority of suppressors perform poorly in regard to LR accuracy.
<span style="color: #FF6600">Lmao... I guess Surefire and Thunderbeast are just full of shit when the talk about no POI shift. A lot of us who do LR shooting just pissed our money away with our cans as well it seems. And you're off again onto hearing and answering a non-existent question. </span>
Start here:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3410509&gonew=1#UNREAD http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1900633 http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3267879#Post3267879 </div></div>
<span style="color: #FF6600">Do yourself a favor... If you're going to argue points then stick to the ACTUAL question asked and the ACTUAL answer given and quit adding shit to suit your argument. </span>
