Has anyone out there tried David Tubb's Final Finish fire lapping system? If so, how were the results?
Gunsmithing David Tubb's Final Finish System
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Re: David Tubb's Final Finish System
Not needed in a quality barrel. Just my opinion.
Eddie
Not needed in a quality barrel. Just my opinion.
Eddie
Re: David Tubb's Final Finish System
Used it on a remington 300 ultra mag barrel,would copper up badly
after 13 rounds. Broke in barrel as if it was a match grade barrel when I first bought it,still lots of copper,tried final finish cut barrel cleaning to less than half.
Used it on a remington 300 ultra mag barrel,would copper up badly
after 13 rounds. Broke in barrel as if it was a match grade barrel when I first bought it,still lots of copper,tried final finish cut barrel cleaning to less than half.
Re: David Tubb's Final Finish System
As long as you don't have your hopes high in the wrong area...It won't improve accuracy, that's not what it's made for. It will cut back on fouling significantly though. Granted, I don't buy top shelf barrels...but I'm not a benchrest shooter. So when I can get a barrel for a third of the price, spend ten minutes at the range with Tubbs, and its smooth as a mirror...I'm happy!
I did a LOT of searching around trying to find actual data on Final Finnish, and the general consensus is that it won't help accuracy, but improves copper fouling. Like I said I lack actual data, but I've used it on three barrels on prairie dog rifles, and I've stopped cleaning my barrels at all. They shoot, and shoot well, until the throats are gone.
As long as you don't have your hopes high in the wrong area...It won't improve accuracy, that's not what it's made for. It will cut back on fouling significantly though. Granted, I don't buy top shelf barrels...but I'm not a benchrest shooter. So when I can get a barrel for a third of the price, spend ten minutes at the range with Tubbs, and its smooth as a mirror...I'm happy!
I did a LOT of searching around trying to find actual data on Final Finnish, and the general consensus is that it won't help accuracy, but improves copper fouling. Like I said I lack actual data, but I've used it on three barrels on prairie dog rifles, and I've stopped cleaning my barrels at all. They shoot, and shoot well, until the throats are gone.
Re: David Tubb's Final Finish System
The concept of blasting gritty bullets down the bore repulses me.
I'm NOT a barrel maker, and I'm NOT an expert with a lap, but in the couple barrels I've had to work on, the "feel" of the lap tells you what you need to know. Where it's cutting, and where it's not. You focus on the tight spots.
Seems to me like results would be better if you poured yourself a lap and worked it over a little.
The concept of blasting gritty bullets down the bore repulses me.
I'm NOT a barrel maker, and I'm NOT an expert with a lap, but in the couple barrels I've had to work on, the "feel" of the lap tells you what you need to know. Where it's cutting, and where it's not. You focus on the tight spots.
Seems to me like results would be better if you poured yourself a lap and worked it over a little.
Re: David Tubb's Final Finish System
Never use TFF on a match grade barrel as they've been lapped multiple times during the barrel making process.
I've used TFF on a factory barrel on my son's Model 70 Featherweight that fouled something awful. It took care of the fouling problem and cleans up easy peasy! It also shoots a little better, so those are the pluses. On the downside it pushed the throat out. However this is a hunting rifle that sees 10 to 20 rounds per year so no worries.
The biggest determent to using TFF and something you can't avoid, it’s going to push the throat out, how much and how bad I guess just depends!
Never use TFF on a match grade barrel as they've been lapped multiple times during the barrel making process.
I've used TFF on a factory barrel on my son's Model 70 Featherweight that fouled something awful. It took care of the fouling problem and cleans up easy peasy! It also shoots a little better, so those are the pluses. On the downside it pushed the throat out. However this is a hunting rifle that sees 10 to 20 rounds per year so no worries.
The biggest determent to using TFF and something you can't avoid, it’s going to push the throat out, how much and how bad I guess just depends!
Re: David Tubb's Final Finish System
Tubb recommends using 7-10 of their TMS bullets on a newly chambered premium barrel to smooth the throat.
There was a discussion about this a while back and Frank from Bartlein said he was going to do some testing with the Tubb stuff.
Tubb recommends using 7-10 of their TMS bullets on a newly chambered premium barrel to smooth the throat.
There was a discussion about this a while back and Frank from Bartlein said he was going to do some testing with the Tubb stuff.
Re: David Tubb's Final Finish System
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tansinator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not needed in a quality barrel. Just my opinion.
Eddie</div></div>
ya.. not needed on a good lapped barrel.. but of factory rem or savage.. GOOD... just use grits 1 2 3, not 4 and 5
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tansinator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not needed in a quality barrel. Just my opinion.
Eddie</div></div>
ya.. not needed on a good lapped barrel.. but of factory rem or savage.. GOOD... just use grits 1 2 3, not 4 and 5
Re: David Tubb's Final Finish System
Tubbs recommends his stuff on everything.
No personal experience with the gritty bullets, but I used his whizz-bang "speedlock" lighweight firing pin and hi-power firing pin spring.
Utter crap, as far as I'm concerned. It wouldn't ignite primers reliably, and the spring broke.
Currently don't have a particularly high opinion of these products.
Tubbs recommends his stuff on everything.
No personal experience with the gritty bullets, but I used his whizz-bang "speedlock" lighweight firing pin and hi-power firing pin spring.
Utter crap, as far as I'm concerned. It wouldn't ignite primers reliably, and the spring broke.
Currently don't have a particularly high opinion of these products.
Re: David Tubb's Final Finish System
Don't need to consider it unless your barrel is factory and seems to need it.
If that's the case it has worked really well for me. Improves the fouling considerably and has shrunk my groups by as much as half.
I like it for factory barrels.
Don't need to consider it unless your barrel is factory and seems to need it.
If that's the case it has worked really well for me. Improves the fouling considerably and has shrunk my groups by as much as half.
I like it for factory barrels.
Re: David Tubb's Final Finish System
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alaskaman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi,
in the .284 (7mm) Kit two bullets with .30 (7,62mm) diameter)
Alaskaman</div></div>
Are you saying you bought a .284 kit and it came with a few .308 projectiles in it or are you saying something else. I think we missed a few words on this one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alaskaman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi,
in the .284 (7mm) Kit two bullets with .30 (7,62mm) diameter)
Alaskaman</div></div>
Are you saying you bought a .284 kit and it came with a few .308 projectiles in it or are you saying something else. I think we missed a few words on this one.
Re: David Tubb's Final Finish System
i used it on a factory Rem SPS-V barrel then had a gunsmith borescope it. was told the barrel looked very smooth after.
i used it on a factory Rem SPS-V barrel then had a gunsmith borescope it. was told the barrel looked very smooth after.
Works excellent for it's intended use. It's not for accuracy tuning.
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