Re: It's Against the Law
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Arguing from a position of <span style="color: #CC0000">sound philosophy </span> and daring to proclaim truth is not zealotry.
One can click my blog link in my sig, click the link there at the top titled "islam" and see for themselves in a manner which is impossible to go into on this forum.
As for going back to the OP, don't kill yourself, it's against the law.
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Your obviously a highly intelligent indiidual but I have not seen that sound philosophy in your posts. What Ive seen is an unreasoned rage and hatred toward all those of the Islamic faith, and towards anyone who has the audacity to disagree with you. That is neither sound philosophy, nor truth.
So back to the OP. One has the right to destroy his car, or his home, or anything that belongs to his or her, as long as they dont harm others. Why should they be restricted from destroying their on life. That comes out of a centuries old belief system which doesnt stand up to reason nor logic. Ever heard this one..."...and endowed with certain unalienable rights, and amongst these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Simply put, "Its my right to do with my property, including my life, what ever I choose."</div></div>
I will not tolerate, nor acquiesce, to what is a falsification of truth, Maggot. If that's an issue for you, tough.
<span style="color: #CC0000">I do not hate muslims in general, but islam. I recognize there are many muslims who submit themselves wholeheartedly to a system which is against natural law, and there they err. </span>
Anyway, no you do not have the right to kill yourself as you caveat that you cannot do something that harms another. Suicide harms the self, and others. It's the height of selfishness. It is self-murder. Surely you can engage in it, but you do not have the right to do so anymore than one has marital rights via raping, or the right to a firearm by stealing another man's gun.
<span style="color: #006600">The Constitution says you have a right to life, not a right to end your life. Happiness, from the perspective of Aristotle, which is likely more in line with what the Founder's meant than some modern fairie dust and unicorns drug trip that people think happiness is, is the fulfillment of man: not being held back, but being allowed to succeed, including in trials. Happiness is not an emotion but a state of being as best as one can. </span> Murder is not the fulfilling of anything but a grave error borne in the mind from the seed of bad philosophy, which you amply demonstrate par excellence.
I have not the time to write a treatise for every issue about which I post. I devote that level of attention to my blog. </div></div>
Now thats better. Less rage. Still a olot of arrogance
but less rage.
<span style="color: #CC0000">I understand what your saying, and can almost agree. Trouble is I find that "historically speaking"most all religons have gone through the same developmental stages. Consider the christian crusades, the inquisitions, or what the jews did when they crossed the Jordan. I expect Veer could relate some of the history of the Indian sub continient But the same can be said about governments. Look at what ours has become. Thats why I abstain from participateiing in instituionalized organizations. If you join with others then you have to, sooneror later, acquiese to the group mentality and morality. That I cannot do. I cannot betray my moral imperative of the intent to live that which I perceive as 'the good'. Where we seem to part is that Ive come to discern that wisdom dictates I not waste my energies in hate. I recognize that there are ways in which I cannot walk...Islam, Nazi, Adultry, Cheating, and many others. But I dont have time to waste hateing them. I just recognize them and tell them to "get behind me", so to speak. I prefer to use my energies for creative purposes.</span>
<span style="color: #009900"> You forgot the most important of the three. life *Liberty* and the pursuit of happiness. When it comes right down to it thats the only one that really counts for without liberty, life is not worth living and without liberty there can be no true happiness. That is mans greatest aspect, absolute free will and absolute free choice. And the great lie that has mankind by the cahones is that they dont. So they bow and worsip the lie in one of its forms. Would I encourage suicide. No of course not. Id do everything in my power to assist a person in getting through that. But in the end I have to respect their free choice, their free will. Neither I nor any government or religon has the right to force a person to live in unmanagable pain. Or perhaps its just a curiosity to see whats on the other side. It is the right of the individual that our whole system is founded on which is in question here. Do you have more RIGHT to own a firearm than a free individual has a right to self determination? </span>
