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Former LEO gone crazy in SoCal

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Clearly LAPD guys infiltrated San Berdoo's SWAT team and intentionally set the cabin on fire to shut Dorner up!

(that was for the tin foil hat crew in case you missed it)
 
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I think everyone on here knew that they would under no circumstances take him alive, regardless of what he would do, cleared air space, and no reprters allowed as the handwriting on the wall. They did not want him to surrender--Payback for his previous actions, I made a comment to some others about an hour before it happened that they would BURN HIM OUT before dark. Pretty obvious what their intentions were, I heard he was designated a Domestic Terrorist, is that correct? To Bad the Society we all cherish is coming to this type of retaliation on Dooners part and retribution from Civil Servants. How Ironic, no waterboarding, but ???? Just a truly sad happening for all involved. The Butterfly Effect at its most severe in personal tragedy.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AREAONE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...cleared air space, and no reprters allowed...</div></div>

Yo, tin foil hat crew, that STANDARD PRACTICE in a barricaded / hostage situation.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everyone is worried about the ladies in the pickup truck that got shot up. Yet I haven't seen ONE post defending or condoning the actions of the cops that shot them.

What about the 3 innocent murder victims. How come not a peep about them? </div></div>

Stay down, brother! You've already had your ass handed to you more than once in this thread. Seroiusly, stop digging.
 
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Did not realize that was SOP for Barricaded, No tin Foil hat here, think we all knew how this was going to end. I do recall lots of reporters at WACO when it was in its heyday. Anyway it is over except for the hurt that will never go away for all those loved ones.
 
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It's hard to believe that allot of hiders side with this ANTI-GUN LIBERAL fuck. You guys must be right the entire LAPD is corrupt as well as every other agency out there. Wake up people... This guy has lost his mind. His actions are not justifyable by any means. He is a coward that ambushed innocent people, that's it and nothing more than that.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: patsim</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everyone is worried about the ladies in the pickup truck that got shot up. Yet I haven't seen ONE post defending or condoning the actions of the cops that shot them.

What about the 3 innocent murder victims. How come not a peep about them? </div></div>

Stay down, brother! You've already had your ass handed to you more than once in this thread. Seroiusly, stop digging. </div></div>

If that's what you wanna call the sensational and irrational dribble exhibited by some then by all means.

I for one don't put too much weight on internet fights.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AREAONE</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000">Did not realize that was SOP for Barricaded</span>, No tin Foil hat here, think we all knew how this was going to end. I do recall lots of reporters at WACO when it was in its heyday. Anyway it is over except for the hurt that will never go away for all those loved ones. </div></div>
Why would you realize this unless you were privy to the information which I'm guessing that you are not. There is probably a lot more that you don't know.
 
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Various news agencies are reporting that there are transcripts of the police, on police radios, intentionally setting fire to the cabin and preventing the fire department from intervening.

Don't know any more than what is being stated.

Man, there is going to be one helluva investigation...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Krav69</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Man, there is going to be one helluva investigation... </div></div>

Ya and the report is gonna read, " Our findings resulted in that the subject is dead. Now for the sake of the families, lets all try to move on and not get caught up in the details."
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: patsim</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everyone is worried about the ladies in the pickup truck that got shot up. Yet I haven't seen ONE post defending or condoning the actions of the cops that shot them.

What about the 3 innocent murder victims. How come not a peep about them? </div></div>

Stay down, brother! You've already had your ass handed to you more than once in this thread. Seroiusly, stop digging. </div></div>

If that's what you wanna call the sensational and irrational dribble exhibited by some then by all means.

<span style="color: #FF0000">I should have been more specific: I was referring to your comment about the cops that shot up the old ladies (paraphrasing)having no "intent" to kill them. Are you suggesting that they did not intend to kill the people at whom they fired? </span>
I for one don't put too much weight on internet fights.
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What I was saying was that I'm pretty sure those cops didn't go to work with the intent of shooting/killing two old ladies. I don't know what made them open fire but its clear that they didn't know what or who they were shooting at. Had they known their target, I don't think they would have opened fire. Unless the LAPD has something against old ladies delivering newspapers.

**Stupid Disclaimer: The above post in no way defends or condones the actions of the particular officers in question.
 
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He's from NY, where they shoot targets they aren't trying to kill on a regular basis....
 
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athhud said:
He's from NY, where they shoot targets they aren't trying to kill on a regular basis.... [/quote

Gotcha. I just saw his "Rivalry" thread, and I pretty well have him figured out.

*searching for the ignore user button*
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't know what made them open fire but its clear that they didn't know what or who they were shooting at. </div></div>
Is that common practice?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't know what made them open fire but its clear that they didn't know what or who they were shooting at. </div></div>
Is that common practice? </div></div>

Be careful you don't frustrate him too much. His RMP might not be able to take it.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't know what made them open fire but its clear that they didn't know what or who they were shooting at. </div></div>
Is that common practice? </div></div>

Yea bro its sop. Is it common practice for you to ask stupid questions.

Veer, I traded in the RMP for an REP years ago.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't know what made them open fire but its clear that they didn't know what or who they were shooting at. </div></div>
Is that common practice? </div></div>

Yea bro its sop. Is it common practice for you to ask stupid questions.

Veer, I traded in the RMP for an REP years ago. </div></div>
First off you aren't my bro; second of all you being a cop I was gonna give you the benefit that the glaze on your face was from a doughnut; but now I am not so sure!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: patsim</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Gotcha. I just saw his "Rivalry" thread, and I pretty well have him figured out.

*searching for the ignore user button*</div></div>

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His posts are rather comical when you consider the source.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't know what made them open fire but its clear that they didn't know what or who they were shooting at. </div></div>
Is that common practice? </div></div>

Yea bro its sop. Is it common practice for you to ask stupid questions.

Veer, I traded in the RMP for an REP years ago. </div></div>
First off you aren't my bro; second of all you being a cop I was gonna give you the benefit that the glaze on your face was from a doughnut; but now I am not so sure! </div></div>

Yep and people say that my posts are comical. I'm glad I'm important enough A. To have a following and B. To be worthy of being ignored. Wish more of you did it cause then I wouldn't have to sift through the rampant stupidity and ignorance in some of these threads.

A donut quip? Is that the best line in your arsenal?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Wish more of you did it cause then I wouldn't have to sift through the rampant stupidity and ignorance in some of these threads.

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This is your opportunity to set an example for others; what direction it will go is entirely up to you!
 
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I am afraid something like this will happen again. Only the next time it will by by a man named Slapcock in New York. His cause for going berserk will be that everyone on Snipers Hide hated him and he finally got a permanent ban hammer right between the eyes with the logo everyone could see.
 
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Veer G,
Could you make a picture of Slapcock with the SH logo imprinted on his forehead? He could be like Cain being cast out and he has a mark so everyone knows not to harm him.
 
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Will the day come the righteous, will not have the advantage they now enjoy?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KUSA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Veer G,
Could you make a picture of Slapcock with the SH logo imprinted on his forehead? He could be like Cain being cast out and he has a mark so everyone knows not to harm him. </div></div>

Yeah, I <span style="font-style: italic">could ...</span>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NB50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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That's confrimation if ever I've seen it.
 
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Run on down to the store and get yourself some good pork butt and a bottle of ...

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Just make sure you don't drive the pick-up.
 
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Liberal or no liberal gun nut or gun ban nut pretty much irrelevant when it comes to injustice and fight for ones honor and name. Since i don't have more info than what i'm able to browse and dig up (news on tv are as worthless as yesterdays fart) what i find very funny is no official comment on the story i'm 100% if he was a real nutter and all he wrote a lie there would be talking heads yapping about crazy doing crazy things...

Regardless of his position on guns (obviously wrong opinion as he has demonstrated perfectly how effective one can be in wasting taxpayers money and stretching resources (imagine this on national organized level - i'm sure there is some plan somewhere in your .gov for that too) by forcing quite a lot of guys and r2d2s running around) he still (as it appears) got severely screwed by the establishment and him going jihad on LAPD is not even remotely crazy and if you simply ignore causes for this it will happen again and again and again. But i guess its easier to talk about bad guns causing this than to start mopping up shit and cleaning house or to certain extent look into mirror.

I just wonder how so many here (calling for hanging) think they are so very different and better than those yapping about AR15&Co being guilty of mass murder and should be banned... Only difference to me (an outsider) is that some shuffle shit with right hand and other with left hand but both unable to ask if shuffling is really needed at all?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(imagine this on national organized level - i'm sure there is some plan somewhere in your .gov for that too) by forcing quite a lot of guys and r2d2s running around) </div></div>
Strange you say that. Some of us have wondered how 500-1000 of same, same, or worst would play out.
One guy has a very large PD trembling to the point of shooting up paper lady's and such, what would they do if they were dropping like fly's?

Is Perception, loosing it's grip?
 
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They'd shit themselves if "teams" took it to them. We see the cluster caused by one man operating without much of a plan, just a list.
 
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I've read this thread in it's entirety and considered all the positions as rationally and objectively as I possibly can. Yet I still walk away with a very disconcerting feeling.

We are divided, at almost hopeless odds and extremely dysfunctional as a Nation, even as a community as 2A proponents. So much to the extent that we are a breath away from sliding back into the abyss of civil unrest.

A couple thoughts I can't get over are :

a. THis Dorner character is tragic individual and head- case that encapsulates our societal malaise to a disturbing "T"

b. No sane individual condones what he did- Period. So, regardless of his purported "justifiable" motivations, which there could be, he wrote his own ticket to hell.

c. Our society is SICK of being abused by the Just-US System which the now alarmingly militarized Boys in Blue blindly obey, willingly comply with and protect with near impunity- despite what they might claim otherwise.

The responses on this thread are emblematic of just how some LE types(used to be policemen) are indoctrinated by the system or the system itself in it's militarized form appeal to their predilections for control and dominance. The responses from certain clowns defending the actions of their "brothers" shooting innocent folks, referring to others on this thread as "sheep" or "savage" and "tin foil hatter" is proof of the level of their indoctrination and willing compliance. What is most disturbing is they either do not know it or won't admit it. Their training is about putting a "suspect" of which all are on the defensive. The boys on this thread got it down to an art.

c. On the other end of the spectrum we have the general pop cheering this head case on in killing other people. Totally jacked up and indefensible.

d. It is all about protecting the system, those in it and who serve it. Which is why the pathetic LA PD essentially admitted that they were committing most all of their resources to capturing their fellow miscreant.

e. We live in a society where it is "us" against "them". You have the system, those in it and those that serve it, then there is the rest of society- All by design.

Finally slapchop- you're tool without remedy. You and your fellow tool wes126 whom surprisingly hasn't showed his "ass" on this thread are exactly the types that shoot -up innocent old ladies ,lawyer -up and claim their own innocence. Then call to "burn that M-Fer out" and justify it because he "broke the law"....while breaking the law themselves.......

coloshooter is probably headed down the same path if he isn't careful despite what his sometimes shift partner claims otherwise.

Oh and um finally - before you "Law Enforcement" officers dispense with your smear campaign to discredit my points, think again. Although I do not draw a paycheck, I volunteer as Reserve Deputy Sheriff in a small County here in Texas, full of gang-bangers. I see it from both sides.
 
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^^^^ the most spot-on post in this Entire Thread.
 
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So I think we've had the highest level of Mall Ninja to date in Chris Dorner. I do not want to dismiss the 4 lives lost, but this dude with all the talk, so-called training, weapons, and "knowing all LEO procedures", ended a week long spree with a FAIL (according to his stated goals in the manifesto). I'm thankful that no one else lost their lives but after the original 3 murders (2 of which were innocent civilians), this guy with a huge vendetta only killed one more person after 6 days. I have a feeling there was more Call of Duty influence in that manifesto than real-life experience. Where was that Barrett 50cal to shoot down helos? How did that "asymetrical warfare" work out Dorner? You claimed to know all the LEO procedures but (apparently) died just like the people in Waco. They will always burn you out man. I will say that the LAPD and surrounding LEOs should be thankful this dude was as crazy and incompetent as he was. This guy could have very well taken out police every night this past week but instead he went on a vaction in the mountains. Again, glad it's over but man it could've been so much worse. I'm sure some gangbangers in Chicago and LA have shot at more cops than Dorner did.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Strange you say that. Some of us have wondered how 500-1000 of same, same, or worst would play out.
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They'd just flood the whole area with as many gung-ho reservist/guard members they could find as well as LE from other states. Would probably shoot a lot of innocent people as well, storm the wrong houses, block off neighborhoods, just look at how much of a clusterfuck New Orleans was after Katrina.
 
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Even with the scanner traffic of the officers talking about deliberately setting that fire on the cabin... the official story is that it was unintentional.

This thread, and the attention drawn to what ONE man "crusading" against what he felt was an extreme injustice (I don't agree at all with what he did but that's the growing sentiment across the country), has started a MUCH larger fire than they could have ever anticipated.

Law enforcement and all forms of government across this country have steadily eroded the trust of the people THEY SERVE over the past 20 years and the pace is only accelerating.

The response by LAPD and California law enforcement, in general, was very telling in relation to what was in the manifesto written by Christopher Dorner. Never before have we seen such a massive response to KILL one man with no regard to public safety or the Constitution of the United States. Even though he claimed he would never be taken alive in that manifesto it was obvious from the beginning that LAPD had absolutely no intention of taking him alive no matter what happened.

This incident not only furthered the destruction of LAPD's relationship with the community THEY SERVE but also demonstrated just how out of control they are.

The unfortunate side effect is that the distrust doesn't just stop with LAPD. It's nationwide. You can cry and dispute that observation but you only have to read through this thread to see it plain and clear.

The picture is bigger than that though.

Now we all know what lengths the forces of our government will go to kill ONE man. We also all know the kind of fear just ONE man can instill on the people that we all hold so much contempt for as they work to strip us of every God given right guaranteed to us.

Even though this man murdered innocent people in his vendetta against a notoriously corrupt police department he undeniably showed that the machine is capable of feeling fear. One of the largest police departments in our country was collectively shaking in their boots because of this one broken and angry man.

People are already starting to ask the question, "What if there were more? What if there were two, three, one hundred or a thousand going after them? Can you imagine the impact that would have?"


This fire will spread.

One crazed, murdering broken man accidentally reminded an entire country that We The People hold the power. <span style="font-style: italic">If ONE MAN can leave an entire state government and all of their law enforcement in utter chaos and fear... just imagine the power and effect of thousands.
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**EDIT: The fact that I have a legitimate fear of reprisal from some form of law enforcement in the context of "inciting a riot" or some other bull shit for making this post speaks volumes about the state of freedom in this country. I didn't fight in Iraq to give freedom to strangers to come home and see the freedom of my own countrymen stripped.**
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NorthernBorn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

This fire will spread.

One crazed, murdering broken man accidentally reminded an entire country that We The People hold the power. <span style="font-style: italic">If ONE MAN can leave an entire state government and all of their law enforcement in utter chaos and fear... just imagine the power and effect of thousands.</span></div></div>

Just be careful, Fitty, that you don't wind up making folks think that you might be wishing along those lines.

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The first step is always the easiest one.
 
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I don't wish for it in any way, shape or form.

Enough blood has been shed already and to be completely honest... the thought of it terrifies me.
 
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Just heard today that LA is not going to give the reward money. I guess they had small type that said he would have had to been arrested and convicted to get the reward. Talk about typical Villaragosa B.S. Guess that is what you get when a lawyer asks for help.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just heard today that LA is not going to give the reward money. I guess they had small type that said he would have had to been arrested and convicted to get the reward. Talk about typical Villaragosa B.S. Guess that is what you get when a lawyer asks for help.
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this doesn't surprise me in the least
 
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NorthernBorn said:
**EDIT: The fact that I have a legitimate fear of reprisal from some form of law enforcement in the context of "inciting a riot" or some other bull shit for making this post speaks volumes about the state of freedom in this country.

No shit.

Just look at how schools are suspending kids for playing with toy guns etc.

Reagan said that Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction and he was right.
 
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Wow. The last page of comments are very telling, and intelligent.

I only have a couple of points to add to this.

Why are people cheering on this guy? He actually had the balls to do something about what they did to him. Many of those who cheered him on have probably gotten screwed by "the police/city gov". They fantasized about doing some thing about it, and this guy did it.

Why are the PD guys defending their own? Like a battered spouse you get to the point you don't even think about it any more. They have to every day/night. The fact that the position may be wrong is no longer a concern. They would need a lot of deprogramming to see things in a normal light now.

I watched the LA riots while living in vegas. I remember seeing the PD's using APC's and such, even before going into the service I could have done a lot of damage to them with there tactics. Just think about what 5 or 6 of the guys on here could do to city X if they so chose to do so!

What if this burned body isn't Doner? What if this was just a way to get the Police off his scent for a while? Maybe so he can come back in a few weeks or months and start over?

I just saying. What if?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SniperUncle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting read. So many people taking other's words and twisting them and then attacking for the words...
ColoShooter and ColoradoCop, you do nothing to bring up the good will towards cops. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You sound just like the Scumbag PA State Troopers who arrested me and charged me with a felony that was never committed.
Other LEOs, you stick up for your brothers, and Support the Blue Line, when they are often not the heroes that they think they are. True Heroes usually don't think they are Heroes.
This guy Dorner is not a crack-pot. He is a very intelligent, although misguided man. He is trying to prove a valid point, but going about it all the wrong way.
The LAPD and other LEAs around there are mishandling this affair horribly.
What a mess. Everyone involved is making it worse.
Sharac, you raise some very interesting points, many of which we Americans would do well to think over and take heed to.
While I do NOT in any way condone Dorner, neither to I condone the LAPD in their actions. We don't know the whole story, and I'm sure we never will, as Dorner will most likely never be taken alive, and even if he was, the truth won't fully come out here on earth.
Like many others, my views towards police are colored by the many acts of being above the law that they commit on a regular basis. How many times do you see them on the freeway doing 15mph above the speed limit? If they aren't responding to an emergency, they have no right to do so. This is just a little thing, but it points to the fact that pretty much all LEOs think they are above the law in one form or another.
Most of them I deal with regularly are okay. Most of them can be down to earth, but in the end, given the right circumstances, they all pull a superior attitude, and think they are higher than the law. </div></div>

First, I assure you that I'm not hanging out on this forum for the sake of kissing your ass, and I really don't have any interest in impressing someone who is in any way attempting to explain away Dorner's actions by saying that: "he is trying to prove a valid point".

But, nevertheless, I'll play for at least a minute here. <span style="font-weight: bold">Where exactly did you see me saying anything in this thread that I should be "ashamed of", or which earned me the title of "scumbag"?</span> <span style="font-weight: bold"> Also, where have I ever demonstrated any attitude that suggested that I believe I'm above the law?
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Please, go start a strongly worded petition, call your congressman, or occupy a street corner... I don't care what you do with your time or your life, but stop blaming me for the problems that you've had with the law. They aren't problems that were caused by me.

By the way, I'll add one more thought on the now-deceased Christopher Dorner. Mr. Dorner is (I guess I should say "was") a psychopath. He went well off of the reservation, and started killing innocent people who had nothing to do with the grievance he believed he had against the LAPD. There's simply no excuse for that, regardless of the validity of his claims. I never doubted Dorner's intelligence, but intelligence has no place in this debate. Plenty of completely evil and soulless people have been intelligent in the history of this world. Dorner demonstrated cold indifference to human life, a disregard for anyone but himself, and a delusional thought process which suggested that he'd be vindicated by these heinous actions. Simply put, whatever he once was is not what he'll be judged by in the history books.

I'm happy enough that he's now gone from this earth, but I'm saddened by the fact that his capture came with a greater death toll for the good guys. As for the questionable nature of the LAPD officer-involved shootings that occurred during the hunt for Dorner, I merely urged restraint in rushing to judgment until the facts of those cases were better known publicly.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I merely urged restraint in rushing to judgment until the facts of those cases were better known publicly.</div></div>

And yet you've judged mr. Dorner pretty well...

I think this is the main thing people are trying to get across.

USE THE SAME FUCKING UNIT OF MEASURE FOR YOUR BOYS ALSO

This is universal to any LEO in the world you get in your schools and you get indoctrinated, trained (like a dog actually same technique) to assert dominant position in any encounter and because of the nature of your work this job draws psychos (no definition of a psycho is not drooling, twitching mass murderer go google it...) and once in power their inner desires for control jump out... While perhaps not most (to be fair) but still in such large numbers that inside any department those who are "just getting by" and those psychos outnumber those decent folks who are really trying to serve. Funny thing is that those decent folks know this perfectly well and have basically the same opinion about it and at least those that i speak too have no problem with criticism or rants about LEOs...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

And yet you've judged mr. Dorner pretty well...

I think this is the main thing people are trying to get across.

USE THE SAME FUCKING UNIT OF MEASURE FOR YOUR BOYS ALSO

This is universal to any LEO in the world you get in your schools and you get indoctrinated, trained (like a dog actually same technique) to assert dominant position in any encounter and because of the nature of your work this job draws psychos (no definition of a psycho is not drooling, twitching mass murderer go google it...) and once in power their inner desires for control jump out... While perhaps not most (to be fair) but still in such large numbers that inside any department those who are "just getting by" and those psychos outnumber those decent folks who are really trying to serve. Funny thing is that those decent folks know this perfectly well and have basically the same opinion about it and at least those that i speak too have no problem with criticism or rants about LEOs... </div></div>

Sure the shooting of the truck does not look to be good at all. Maybe they fucked up and were quick on the trigger. Maybe something else happened, the people were not complying to orders or made some sort of movement making the officers think they were soon to be the next victims of Dorner. Since you're obviously a subject matter expert here you already know that it can be pretty hard to see into dark tinted windows duing a high risk stop even in broad daylight. Since you know all there is to know about the shooting tell me what happened and why it went down the way it did...

Dorner on the other hand is pretty easy to figure out. He killed two innocent people who had noting to do with him period. He killed Officers who were not even LAPD that he had the "beef" with. He shot two other Officers. He's a psychopathic nut job who murdered several people. If you can't figure out the difference there is a problem.

I agree there are LEO's that overstep their authority and are "badge heavy" but I'm not one of them and actually the majority of them are not. The problem is that the one or two we have running the streets leave the rest of us to handle all the calls while they stop everyone and their mothers thinking stats make them good cops. Therefore they are the ones making the contacts while others are taking your burglary reports in their area of responsibility. Some of these guys are nice but dumb as a brick. Others are on a total power trip. Oh and guess what we don't like them much either. To say the majority of LEO's are badge heavy way off though. You just don't see much about the good ones because they are usually not the ones making the news and they were not the ones out there making chicken shit stops.....

Thats the whole point I was trying to get across.... Everyone on here seems to be in a total rush to judgement against all LEO's because of one bad contact or some bad press from the news. Yet, they can "understand" why a guy is out killing innocent people just because he was fired from a job that happened to be as a Police Officer. Would others on this thread be so quick to judge if it was a former soldier killing service men and women because they got a discharged for something they claim they didn't do. Or if it was a school teacher killing teachers and innocent students because they were fired for sleeping with a student and are denying that it ever happened?

COULD YOU PLEASE USE THE SAME STANDARD TO JUDGE LEO'S?!?!?
 
Re: Former LEO gone crazy in SoCal

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I merely urged restraint in rushing to judgment until the facts of those cases were better known publicly.</div></div>

And yet you've judged mr. Dorner pretty well...

I think this is the main thing people are trying to get across.

USE THE SAME FUCKING UNIT OF MEASURE FOR YOUR BOYS ALSO

This is universal to any LEO in the world you get in your schools and you get indoctrinated, trained (like a dog actually same technique) to assert dominant position in any encounter and because of the nature of your work this job draws psychos (no definition of a psycho is not drooling, twitching mass murderer go google it...) and once in power their inner desires for control jump out... While perhaps not most (to be fair) but still in such large numbers that inside any department those who are "just getting by" and those psychos outnumber those decent folks who are really trying to serve. Funny thing is that those decent folks know this perfectly well and have basically the same opinion about it and at least those that i speak too have no problem with criticism or rants about LEOs... </div></div>

Good god... your deep-seated bias against (and obvious hatred toward) law enforcement is probably going to make it nearly impossible to have any reasonable discussion with you regarding this subject. You are just too philosophically different than most members of our society.

First, I don't believe as you do. Though I know there are some bad apples in any profession (mine included), I don't think it is accurate to say that the "psychos outnumber those decent folks who are really trying to serve".

More to the point of this thread, I did "USE THE SAME FUCKING UNIT OF MEASURE". To that end, allow me to reverse a couple of things for the sake of illustrating this point:

1) If our guys start maliciously and intentionally slaughtering innocent people to address a vendetta that they have against a former employer (something that Chris Dorner was publicly admitting to doing), I'll see them as being equally delusional and psychotic as Chris Dorner.

2) If Chris Dorner had merely shot someone he had believed was posing an imminent threat to his life, I'd wait until I knew all of the facts before deciding if the shooting was reasonably justifiable as a self-defense shooting.

What we know thus far is that in Chris Dorner's case he was intentionally murdering people. In the case of the LAPD officers shooting at the wrong truck, it is pretty well accepted that they *thought* they were engaging Chris Dorner.

At this point we get into a bunch of questions that have not yet been answered. The answers to these questions (and others) may determine whether this shooting was reasonably justifiable or criminal in nature. Some examples of what we need to know still:

1) What information led them to believe that they were shooting at Chris Dorner's vehicle?

2) Once they believed they were shooting at Chris Dorner's vehicle, what actions (if any) by the vehicle's occupants gave them cause to respond with lethal force?

3) Did the occupants of the vehicle receive commands from the officers, and if so, how did they respond to these commands?

4) Did anyone witness this shooting, and what testimony can they provide about what happened?

(there are many other possible questions, these four were just for quick illustrative purposes)

Anyway, back to Chris Dorner for a moment, it just doesn't really matter what kind of misguided justification he provided for his killings. He clearly wasn't shooting because he believed his life was in jeopardy, and he clearly intended to kill some of his victims simply to deprive his chosen enemy of their family. I don't care if the LAPD was 100% wrong in firing him, his actions were 1000% worse than that alleged administrative misdeed.

Regardless, I do find it interesting that Mr. Dorner didn't even bother to file his complaint on an alleged months-old excessive use of force incident until AFTER he was given an unsatisfactory evaluation of his performance (I believe by the officer he complained against). Seems fishy to me, but still irrelevant to justifying murder.

If you can't see the difference between these cases, I can't help you, and have no further inclination to do so.