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Sidearms & Scatterguns Knife question , please help!

Atti_Mac

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I have no knowledge about knives, and I don't want to make a bad decision , like mall-ninja people :) I am looking a good quality knife , under $500-600 to wear, so it should max 5.5" long blade in Texas.. I like the way of the looking of the M1 Aviator, on the relentlessknives.com , but i don't know anything about quality. This knife has a 6" long blade, but they can make it to 5.5". Please help me out if you know any other brand, with a same looking, or if you can educate me a bit about this one :)
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Well this is why I asked for opinion, it is almost $600 , so I wanted to know what quality is it...
 
No way to do it, bud.

All you are going to get is everybody else's version of perfection.

It all boils down to what you are going to do with your knife.
If you know, great, we can move forward.
If not, start thinking about that as that drives everything.
Its a tool and like all tools, a well designed one does some things (hopefully what you need) extraordinarily well and others not so well or not at all.

Some Mall ninja people make great knife decisions. Phillip, below, selects the exact right blade thereby probably protecting his own life as well as all those within 10 yards.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...D028F1DB8301CB822888D028F&first=0&FORM=NVPFVR
 
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Have a look in the custom fixed blade section at Bladeforums, you can get excellent quality at 200.00 or less, you don't have to spend big bucks out of the gate, buy an Kbar to start and that will help you learn more about what you want, also, study the popular steels and their properties determine which type of blade they are used in. Best of luck in your quest.
 
If you're in Texas, John Horrigan out of Austin makes great knives but you might have to wait a bit
 
If you're looking for a fighting knife it's okay the serrations make it not so good. I would prefer a Spartan blades knife or a strider. But if it blows your skirt up, go for it. I'm kinda at that age where I don't need to justify my cool toys. I like it, I get it because I like it.
That knife looks like a modern take on a Bowie with survival or all purpose in mind. I could do a lot worse, but I think you could also do better for less money.
 
For a working blade, I love the ESEE line. Buy what fits your needs. I've always got my ESEE 5 in the middle console of my truck. If you're looking for a solid selection of custom knives, check out http://forthenrycustomknives.com/. Not the cheapest option, but you won't have a wait with those knives.
 
Atti_Mac,

RollingThunder51 pretty much hit the nail on the head. We would need to know more about your prospective knife's intended use before we could make any suggestions or assess the suitability of the knife you posted. Knife design is mostly, if not 100%, driven by how you intend to use the knife. Quality metalurgy and heat treat are, or at least should be, universal, but blade size, shape, and grind profile are driven by intended use.

Your post is unclear on what you want to do with this knife. You make mention of carrying it and a 5.5" blade length. What are you carrying it for and how frequently? Should we assume that you are legally limited to a 5.5" blade length, or is that just a personal preference?

As for quality of Relentless Knives: After doing some research and reading through his website, it appears he makes a quality hand crafted knife. He does use some fancy techniques that many knife makers will frown at, such as forging PM Stainless Steel (very difficult to do and can cause problems if not done carefully). You are paying top dollar for his hand crafting and special methods, more so than another quality maker. The real question though will be if his knife designs fit your needs. If $600 is a big investment for you, then I suggest you do more research on what goes into a top quality knife so that you know what you are getting.
 
Thank You for all the answers, yes you right elephantrider, I should be more specific with needs for this knife, but honestly, it is a hard question. I mean non of us do knife fight daily :) , and I am not planning to, so the main reason is :to carry ,daily basis , because I can't have longer blade than 5.5 " in Texas I thought I will go with what I can.
I don't have concealed carry license yet for my guns, so want it for protection as well. Also I like to hunt, fish and camp, and I never had a good sharp knife, so this is why I was looking into a tactical looking knives. After looking up few of the makers you guys mentioned, I really like the Van Aaalst Fighter from eliteknives, or my other 2 favorite the : WK II S.A.R from Daniel Winkler, or a Chris Reeve Knives Green Beret 5.5 Inch model. Well, I guess knife are just guns, you have to have an, AR, 1911, AK, revolver :)) , so many different type, and for use. Thank you for the help, and I will try to make a decision. :)
 
Mate have a look at SOG knives. They are reasonably priced and very strong.

I carry the SOG Force (Non Serrated)
 

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Its not a daily carry, just for hunting.

The SOG seal pup or SOG OPS might fit the bill.

Both under 5.5" and have a full length cryogenic heat treated tang. The handles are made of glass reinforced nylon.

Bang for buck I believe SOG is the best.
 
I gave a SEAL Pup to a couple buddies one went to Iraq the other Afg. and both said they loved it and used it more than their K-Bar. Said it was a great size to do most everything with and always stayed sharp!
 
As others have said, for the kind of money you are looking to spend, you can have a nice custom made to your specs and that fits your hand. These days, you can get some really nice custom work from great bladesmiths for $200-$300. The advice to hang out on bladeforums and spend some time reading through the different forums is a good place to start. Texas has a lot of good makers so you can probably find some enthusiasts or go to a knife show in your area to get some time with the knives in your hand.

One idea would be to get an ESEE 4 or 5 or DPX Heft 4 as a start. This will give you a quality knife as a starting point and as you use the heck out of it, you can figure out what you like / dislike and want to change as you start specing out a custom build.
 
+1 on the ESEE, I looked at them in person at Shot and was really pleased with them. I use a Busse combat for camping and a surefire for smaller tasks. I am happy with both of them, but have been eyeing the ESEE's...
 
I like to spend money on cool gear and am, unfortunately, not as restrained as I should be. With that said, for a general outdoors knife, hard to go wrong with a Kabar.

If you want a beauty, look at a winkler, chris reeves, etc.

I do like the hide fighter that was designed with people on this forum for a "tactical" knife.
 
The winner is EESE 5 :) . Also I will get a SOG seal up , just in case :)
 
Good choice on the ESEE! They are deservedly well regarded.

I forgot to mention the Swamprat Ratmandu. That is a very popular tactical / utility knife and is of high quality and relatively low cost.
 
For a folder, Strider.
Or a fixed blade: since you live in Texas, Shawn Hatcher, have him make you one Googler hatcher knives
 
I am going to be a debbie-downer and suggest you buy the cheapest knife that will accomplish your task and that you can afford to lose-and then spend money on training. I've owned, and lost, alot of the big names and I've come to the conclusion that a cheap sharp knife will open MREs and kill a dude just as dead as a sharp expensive knife. I suggest you mozy on down to the PX, (or hardware store, if you are away from a base) and buy yourself a pair of CRKT knives. Get 2 folders, or some sort of fixed blade, whatever you want. Don't worry about the laws of what you can carry in Texas, everyone carries a knife and nobody's gonna care unless you are up to no good. If that's the case, a cop will just use the knife as a reason to fuck with you. If you use it, well, deadly force is deadly force, you better be right in applying it, no matter what the weapon.

Next, go to Takknife.com and order two lexan training knives of the same type of knives that you bought. (One is for you, one is for your training partner.) Then seek out a local Filipino Martial Arts School (my fav is Doce Pares, Pikiti Tirsia Kali) and practice your ass off. One handed, two handed, primary hand, support hand. Practice dropping a knife, switching hands, switching grips, make it unconscious movement, just like with your firearm. After training PTK a while, you will be a very efficient user of a knife, and you will start to develop instincts that you can then develop into defenses to knife attack. It's a progression, though. Stick with it and eventually, you will get to a place where you, with the help of your training partner, will experience an epiphany in attack and defense movement called hubud. Try it out and let me know when you feel that unconscious flowing movement. You'll grin ear to ear and have trouble concentrating the moment you do. It sounds like metaphysical horseshit, I know, but those who have experienced this know what I am talking about. Keep it up and you'll get slick and learn counterattack moves called ginunting, which are very effective means of cutting while blocking and setting up for counter attacks.

There's a reason people come from all over the world to take firearms training in the U.S.: we are a gun culture, good or bad, we fight with guns all the time, and we're good at it. Filipinos know knives because they are a knife culture. Period. They still mix it up on the streets and they (PTK) still have kept their edge as a Combat System, a REAL martial art, as opposed to the watered down pussified politically correct bullshit that is taught in the stripmalls of America.

In conclusion, if you go with a widely available knife, like CRKT, you can buy one at ANY PX in the world (as I have had to do cuz fuckers in foreign countries took my knives at the airport!) for 27 dollars each, or if there's no PX, there will be plenty of shops where you can find a cheap Chinese copy of what you had. Just sharpen it. Also, if you can't find a PTK school nearby, the miracle of the internet will allow you to train yourself with lessons posted on Youtube. That's right, my kid learned to play guitar from Youtube and his buddies, not the expensive guitar lessons I bought him. You can learn PTK attack templates, ginunting moves, plenty of shit you can practice and use to pass the time when you are bored overseas. You can spend hours teaching your buddies what you know, and they will love it. Here's a resource: http://www.texaskali.org/index.html

TTFWIW
 
Damn, and I have trouble spending $15 + shipping for a Kabar Warthog folder... I guess it's cause I always end up losing them after a few months.. But I've recently been looking into some SOG knives.

You won't be disappointed with the SOG, and besides nobody said you can only have one.

Enjoy.

I've borrowed a few SOG's from a couple of my friends to see how I like them and I think one of the SOG's will be my next purchase.
 
Have a look at the SOG Force.

It is a great hunting and survival knife.

It also has a glass breaker / skull cracker on the end of the handle.sog_se38-n_main.jpg
 
Gerber LMF ll great for cutting down 6in trees for shelter building. Maybe not so great around town, up here in Alaska it's very usefull.
 
The absolute toughest knife on the market is a Busse Combat Knife, it will cut the other knifes in half and keep going.
Check out the Busse Forum at BladeForums.com
 
I have carried a light neck knife daily since 97 in the shower, under white shirts and tie

etc. and have a nice sized one hand opening and closing folder clipped in my waist band appendix carry.. If I carry fixed blade I use a light knife that has a blade at least five inches long..
for the folders, spyderco, cold steel, benchmade are all good knives that are affordable..for the neck knife I have used a columbia river knife and tool neck knife the most recent a folts minimalist by crkt, and on occasions I have used a cold steel neck knife; for the fixed blade I love my old gerber dagger type, guardian model as it is so flat and easy to hold onto.. there are cold steel knives that fit the bill also..
I do not get to use larger fixed blades unless I am wearing them not concealed then I use one of several skinner/bowie styles..
I have other knives that are more pricey; I use them also, but these are some totally useful knives you may want to look at in one of the configurations..
I will say that i like a neck knife for it always, always being present, and easy to get to, and totally concealable..
If you are looking for protection, you best decide what targets your blade you decide upon can reach, ahead of time;
hope that rounds out some of the choices or helps some way.
dk
 
Thank you for all of the good advices , I just received my knives , yes knives , because I bought 2 :) Bought the Esee 5 , and the Gemini ;)

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