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264 WIN MAG Why do I never hear about it??

Ballistic Artist

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Hey All,
I was shootin the shit with a fellow marksman and we were talking about the 6.5 calibers because Im startin to get an itch for building one. I was talking about 6.5CM, 6.5-284 e.t.c.
He mentioned the 264 WIN MAG. I have heard of it but never researched it. Looked at some specs and damn it seems to blow the doors off all the other 6.5 calibers. Whats your opinion of it? I want to build a gun for tac match in a 6.5 caliber. Would the 264 be a good choice? It too is a 6.5 and I never seem to hear about it. Whats the accuracy like? Barrel life? Brass life? Read me in on this caliber if you dont mind.
Thanks in advance.
 
It's long action and is harder on barrels than the short action 6.5mm rounds. I'd guess that has a lot to do with it. As a hunting round the 6.5s never have been as popular as other bullet sizes in the US.
 
The 264 shoots well enough but is tough on barrels. When I was working up loads for one I had a hard time just because of the barrel heating up. It was a good shooter just a hotrod probably similar to the 7stw or 7RUM. Another one to look into if you don't mind the barrel life would be a 6.5 STW.
 
264WM would be a fine candidate if you:

1. Own your own barrel making business
2. Really enjoy facetime with your lathe

Ballistically, it's fabulous but it'll torch the shit out of a barrel in no time. And you thought a 6.5-284 could put a hurtin' on a barrel? As a tactical match cartridge, it will be seriously handicapped by speed limits to preserve the steel. It is a long action cartridge, so magazine capacity will be limited. Brass for it doesn't exactly grow on trees.

...certainly wouldn't be my first pick...
 
The 264 Win mag is an excellent long range hunting round. As others have said, you cannot use it to its potential in a tactical match because of velocity restrictions and even then it would disintegrate barrels. Its ballistic advantages are far outweighed by disadvantages. You would be better off with a 260 or similar.
 
Dad had one in a model 70. He cussed the 26 inch barrel for sling carry in the timber. First rifle/chambering I ever saw that put little x's on an elk's eyes before they could hit the ground. One inch hole going in and two to three inch hole coming out. Those long old bullets in a soft point or spitzer configuration are very effective killers. I think others are right regarding high volume of fire tactical competion guns though. Take a life time to shoot out the old elk killer but the 264 is reputed as a barrel burner.
 
Ok, Very understandable. I knew there was a catch. Now the question is, What do you think would be the best 6.5 for tac match? What are these speed restrictions for tac match?? And, is there a link or something so I can look up the rules for average tac match?
 
Ok, Very understandable. I knew there was a catch. Now the question is, What do you think would be the best 6.5 for tac match? What are these speed restrictions for tac match?? And, is there a link or something so I can look up the rules for average tac match?

6.5 Creedmoor, .260 Remington, 6.5x47Lapua.....take yer pick
 
Ok, Very understandable. I knew there was a catch. Now the question is, What do you think would be the best 6.5 for tac match? What are these speed restrictions for tac match?? And, is there a link or something so I can look up the rules for average tac match?

6.5 CM, 260 Rem, 6.5x47 Lapua. In that order, or at least that is how I see it.
 
I think matches have a 3100fps limit.

Really? Very good to know. So I can use my 300 win mag then. Its just velocity, not power factor right??

I have been thinking of the 6.5CM alot. Seems to be the best for mag options and such. 6.5x47 Lapua is neat but its a Lapua so brass is rediculous I imagine?

What do you all think is the furthest a 6.5CM will be effective to? 6.5x47 Lapua? 260 REM??

Thanks. I knew I would learn alot with this thread.
 
There might be a caliber restriction but I have no idea. I'm sure a magnum will suck to shoot in a match though.

Well all the 6.5s use the same magazines as far as I know, should all use a .308 magazine. Lapua brass is expensive, not sure if you can make it out of another case or not, never looked into that one myself.

As far as effective, on paper, steel or what? The farther the distance the harder it will be to spot misses because of the lack of mass with the 6.5, but if you shoot good and have good dope it shouldn't matter much. I've shot my old .260 past 1000 with success, take that for what it's worth though.
 
There might be a caliber restriction but I have no idea. I'm sure a magnum will suck to shoot in a match though.

Well all the 6.5s use the same magazines as far as I know, should all use a .308 magazine. Lapua brass is expensive, not sure if you can make it out of another case or not, never looked into that one myself.

As far as effective, on paper, steel or what? The farther the distance the harder it will be to spot misses because of the lack of mass with the 6.5, but if you shoot good and have good dope it shouldn't matter much. I've shot my old .260 past 1000 with success, take that for what it's worth though.
 
6.5 CM and 260 will make it well past 1k. The 6.5Lapua shouldn't be too bad either. I have ran my 260AI loaded at 260 velocities out as far at 1200 yards with no problems.
 
There might be a caliber restriction but I have no idea. I'm sure a magnum will suck to shoot in a match though.

Well all the 6.5s use the same magazines as far as I know, should all use a .308 magazine. Lapua brass is expensive, not sure if you can make it out of another case or not, never looked into that one myself.

As far as effective, on paper, steel or what? The farther the distance the harder it will be to spot misses because of the lack of mass with the 6.5, but if you shoot good and have good dope it shouldn't matter much. I've shot my old .260 past 1000 with success, take that for what it's worth though.

Nah my 300 dont kick that bad with a brake. (Brakes are allowed right?) I have heard some people say that 300WM's arent allowed in tac match. I dont think its true but if it is its total BULLSHIT. And the old,"it hurts the targets" ration of crap dont fly either. It wont dent AR-500 at 150 yards or more. And hell thats all I got. I would even be willing to load super light loads with 168gr bullets runnin them down with the 30-06 if need be. I cant afford to build another rifle for a while so I must use what I have. But my next one is goin to be a 6.5 bolt gun built especially for tac match. And for max effective range, lets go with paper and steel. What will the 6.5CM and the 260 go out to, say to hold 1 moa or something like that. Thanks.
 
6.5's work well for a tactical rifle. But, anything above a .308 sized case gets to be overbore. If you've read much you know that guys shooting the 6.5-284 go through barrels when loading hot in about 1000 rounds. That's why most everyone shooting them has reduced case size to .260, 6.5CM 6.5x47... One that remains popular, especially in Europe, is the 6.5x55. It's not loaded to as high of pressures as the previously mentioned cases, but it has more case volume. Loading more of a slow powder to get that longer push and you have about equal ballistics. You can also improve the 6.5x55 and that gets a lot done without going so big as the 6.5-284. It still shortens barrel life though. Bringing me back to the single point of no matter what cartridge you choose, picking one that goes above 2900 in the 6.5 bore is going to eat barrels.

That said, I chose the 7mm-08 specifically for that reason. The 7mmCM is coming along as well. A little different shape to help it handle going through the -10 platform better. Or, I should say with full length total BC possible bullets. Given case lengths, you can load a 180 Berger VLD in a 7mm CM and run it through that platform. You can't with a 7mm-08. You also have problems running that combo through a Remington 700 Short action. But, unless you really need to have a shorter case, it doesn't matter if you go with the CM or standard case. Another thing to consider is improving either a .260 Rem or 7mm-08. That gives a little more case capacity, but still retains the better case shape of the .308 over older styles (Mauser). In essence, you can load hotter because the straighter walls grip the chamber better, spreading out the force of ignition. Unlike a tapered case like the Savage .250, .22-250 Rem, and Mauser cases where the bolt thrust is mostly handled by the face of the case (head). That's why the 6.5x55 can't be loaded as hot as the current crop of 6.5's that are winning a lot in competitions.

FWIW, not all competitions have a velocity limit. And when they do, it's not always 3100 fps. I've seen it higher and even seen it as low as 2800. It's the shoots' sponsors that decide that. I'm not a big time competitor but speed limits have kind of always been in place so that the .308 can compete still. That's why when F-class got started, they had to make an F/TR. Palma uses only .308. On one hand it's good as it makes everyone shoot one standard. On the other hand that standard needs to be somewhere near the top capability. Making wind calls is one thing. Hoping the wind doesn't change while the bullet is in flight is another.
 
264WM would be a fine candidate if you:

1. Own your own barrel making business
2. Really enjoy facetime with your lathe

Ballistically, it's fabulous but it'll torch the shit out of a barrel in no time. And you thought a 6.5-284 could put a hurtin' on a barrel? As a tactical match cartridge, it will be seriously handicapped by speed limits to preserve the steel. It is a long action cartridge, so magazine capacity will be limited. Brass for it doesn't exactly grow on trees.

...certainly wouldn't be my first pick...

Well said!!
 
6.5CM... Hmmmmm. Yep, I think this one sounds goooood. How common is 6.5CM brass Now and before the shit storm started? The 140 AMAX looks nice. (I love the 208gr 30 cal AMAX bullets in my 300, and might cook up some 178gr. Amax loads at 2800fps for tac match...) The 140 looks real nice for the 6.5CM. What do you all think of it? Furthest Ranges you have shot with the 6.5CM? What bullet do you prefer?
 
The 140 looks real nice for the 6.5CM. ..... What bullet do you prefer?

There is are quite a few solid recipes out there but the 140's are GTG. I prefer Bergers but there is a lot of data out there to get a solid start to whatever your end goal is. Mark Gordon has also done a 7mm Creedmoor; if you are think about a build I would call and talk with him.
 
Cool. 7CM sounds neat but I think I would go 7MM-08 if I were to do a 7mm caliber. Theres just something about 6.5mm. I dont know it just sounds right...
Mark Gordon?? I dont know the name. He designed the 6.5CM? (I should know by now who designed it...) Would a 22" barrel on a 6.5CM be sufficient for tac match?
 
I run a 20" 6.5x47
123gr bullets @ 3000fps + with ease

22" 6.5cm should be fine, dont expect like performance