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I think I have officially been bent over and had
I think I have officially been bent over and had
Suppressors Mohawk armory make sure and look at this post before you make a decision
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It's going to take more than "Pictures Coming Soon" to get anybody interested in this offering.
You seem to suggest that you were favorably impressed....what did you see?
You seem to suggest that you were favorably impressed....what did you see?
This guy is local I was introduced to him by family and he made the suppressors very cheap .223 $350 308 $350 integral 22 $300. I sampled some of his stuff before I did business with him and I was impressed but keep in mind this was my first suppressor purchase. The integral .22 is nice very quiet and I am very happy with it the .223 is bulky heavy and ugly it still does the job. I've yet to see the .308 suppressor.
Asbeatosglove: I apologize that I had to enter this forum on this note I just wanted to let everyone know what kind of business this guy is doing. I definitely don't want anyone to go through the same thing that I have went through.
Asbeatosglove: I apologize that I had to enter this forum on this note I just wanted to let everyone know what kind of business this guy is doing. I definitely don't want anyone to go through the same thing that I have went through.
Matt Brown, hopefully by now you've realized that Mohawk is not going to give you a dime back. The best thing you can do is report him to the ATF.
On a side note, you're not related to or duel posting under a username WC on other forums about this are you?
On a side note, you're not related to or duel posting under a username WC on other forums about this are you?
I read your linked thread. Regardless if every "official" says the can isn't yours until he signs it out of his books (which sounds like a bunch of BS), that Form-4 and $200 Tax Stamp is Most Definitely YOURS.
I'd find out when he'll be at home/workshop (wherever the business address is on the Form-4), and show up with a local LEO. Demand your property. If he refuses to "sign out" the can, he Still has Zero reason to retain your Form-4 and $200 stamp you paid for.
File a full report. Document his "final decision". If you leave with your can, find a REPUTABLE dealer to see if they can salvage it.
Either way, that paperwork is yours to frame...
Thanks for sharing. Let us know how it turns out.
I'd find out when he'll be at home/workshop (wherever the business address is on the Form-4), and show up with a local LEO. Demand your property. If he refuses to "sign out" the can, he Still has Zero reason to retain your Form-4 and $200 stamp you paid for.
File a full report. Document his "final decision". If you leave with your can, find a REPUTABLE dealer to see if they can salvage it.
Either way, that paperwork is yours to frame...
Thanks for sharing. Let us know how it turns out.
After giving up hope on ever getting my suppressor I get a phone call today. finally got it only 4 months and 8 days after my form 4 was approved needless to say. I'm never doing business with Mohawk armory again
While I can see some truth to your statement, I still have two (personal) tax stamps for firearms that I have since sold and transferred to other individuals. What really matters, at least to the ATF and other LEs, is what is in the NFA's National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (NFRTR). In practice, if you have received the approved paperwork back, the NFRTR should show you as the "registered" owner. However, if you don't take physical possession of the firearm, the dealer/manufacture and you still has the ability to VOID the transfer and refund the tax payment. So no, the firearm isn't technically yours until it is physically transferred and signed out of his books.
Yes this is the facts. that is what the ATF agent told me which is stupid you pay $200 for the stamp whether you get the can or not
I don't understand your logic. You pay the tax for the transfer of the NFA firearm and not the tax stamp itself. If the transfer never took place you request a refund for the tax. You have three years to request a refund, as long as you turn in the original tax form (stamp) and the firearm never switched physical possession.
A refund for the actual item is a whole different story, the ATF never get involved in civil disputes between you and the dealer. However, from what you have described in some of your posts, the dealer/manufacturer has multiple violations that could potentially be cause for a revocation of his licenses. In which case you can file a formal complaint with the local field office and depending on the situation they could refer one of the investigators for an inspection.
A refund for the actual item is a whole different story, the ATF never get involved in civil disputes between you and the dealer. However, from what you have described in some of your posts, the dealer/manufacturer has multiple violations that could potentially be cause for a revocation of his licenses. In which case you can file a formal complaint with the local field office and depending on the situation they could refer one of the investigators for an inspection.
The form 4 was shipped to Mohawk armory not me so he had it and the suppressor in his possession. I had asked for them both and hr would not give them to me.
Its all good now. I received the suppressor yesterday.
Its all good now. I received the suppressor yesterday.
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Did you pay with cc or cash? This is why I use CC 100% of the time, even if it's an extra 3% charge . I would have just filed a chargeback and it would have been a done deal. That does suck that you would lose the tax stamp money no matter what.
I weighed my prized Mohawk armory suppressors on a set of digital fishing scales the .223 weighs in at 3lbs even and the .308 weighs in @ 3 lbs 6 oz
HOLY SHIT!!! Post some pics of those suppressors please. That 308 can is 3.5 times heavier than my TBAC 30P-1.
Not to crap on your can but you aren't happy with the maker anyways.
3 pounds for a suppressor screams that very little engineering went into the design. Adding to the bad design column are all those screws that end up as additional points of failure. I am shocked that this is a supposedly professional suppressor maker and this is their product.
3 pounds for a suppressor screams that very little engineering went into the design. Adding to the bad design column are all those screws that end up as additional points of failure. I am shocked that this is a supposedly professional suppressor maker and this is their product.
The reason for all the screws is because they had a can blow apart on them so instead of adding more threads or making the threads deeper they weakened it even more by drilling a bunch of holes in it and putting screws in it. hopefully I can add these to the mantle as a conversation piece once I get a thunder beast or elite iron. Feel free to share this link in other forums. Bad business is bad business I'm not trying to destroy mohawks business just don't want others to go through the same nightmare I have
As for the other pic I promised. I will still post it if you would like but the 2 cans are identical except the holes in the end caps.
