In Light Of Recent Killings Fed Prosecutor QUITS

[TheTick]

Of course it does, I'm in no way saying it doesn't NOR saying that this is in anyway a good thing. All I'm saying is I cannot blame the guy for protecting his family, had these been petty threats...by all means I would be lighting my torch and handing you a pitchfork. But the fact that his colleagues and family have already been killed, I simply cannot blame him for resigning. Clearly it's an unfavorable situation...but calling him a pussy and a coward is unwarranted and not fair.


That's all I'm saying, I can't blame him for it and it's not ideal...however given the situation it's understandable. I mean it's not like this happened once or it happened on duty...this happened at their homes, family members dead too, and it happened twice! Unless I had a pretty good god damn feeling that my family was protected in light of the incidents I more then likely would may make the same call.

Now that is cleared up I have a question, I don't expect an in depth answer due to potential opsec. But in situations like this, does the department or agency immediately send out protective details around the clock or is it a lengthy process that has to get approved and funded. I understand how the whole w.p.p. works but don't understand how it works for active leo's and their families during ongoing cases.

Not OPSEC, it is pretty a much common sense response. You immediately send the cars out to the houses and if that means overtime, then so be it. It's the cost of doing business and if no outside funding comes along, then you just suck it up. What you do after you send cars out to the houses is really up to the agency. In the very least, if they send a protection detail to simply sit at the house, then I would hope the cops get out of the car instead of illuminating their pumpkins with the computer screen flipped up.

This thread has been beaten to death. Be safe all and fight the good fight if it's your day.

 

[pawprint2]

legalII seems to be confused, as I pointed out in a different thread - Fed LE fails to enforce the gun laws very well, and because of this - some how- I don't think they are capable of doing anything else-this is typical thinking from one smoking dream pipes, or maybe crack pipes. Let me clear the deck, Federal Law Enforcement fails everyday in a big way to enforce the federal gun laws, unlike leagle II, I don't think they should lie about it to make it seem better. When it comes to protection, such as the ability to keep witnesses safe, the president safe, SCOTUS, safe etc. I believe the are First Rate, Enforcing gun laws-bad, Armed Protection -None better. My opinions have not changed one bit, I believe you are confused over two different issues, put down your crack pipe-one more time, enforcing the laws regarding felons trying to buy or buying weapons, poooor job, ability to provide the best armed security in the world, None Better. Hope this helps, PS. there is help all over the country for those suffering from addictions, or other problems that effect their ability to use their minds, pretty good chance you could get help.

 

[LeagleII]

Well that changes everything. If you were going to put the AUSA's family into the witness protection program or give them the same security as the president I wish you would have said so sooner and I wouldn't have thought that you were just another ignorant internet troll.

 

[pawprint2]

I would and I'm sure the Fed would have given them what ever it took, they would not have traded away the integrity of the system so easily, you seem to forget, or are just poorly informed, this coward had full time U.S. Marshalls protecting him, maybe they don't report everything in those S.F. bathhouses, where you seem to spend a lot of time. Only a complete fool would think the Justice Dept would not have provided big time protection for this guy and his family, your little sissy post makes it seem like you don't think they would have. Allow me to once again help you, I believe our Fed LE is the most capable LE agency in the world when it comes to armed protection, short term, long term, one guy, one family etc. None Better. Your stupid little post show you to be the fool you are. I still wonder what would happen to the United States, if every prosecutor and judge quit rather than take this case, or any other case where there was a proven threat. The criminals would take over the justice dept, in very short orderk, thank God for our cops/prosecutors/judges that are not cowards, and do the job for which they are paid.

 

[Slapchop]

maybe they don't report everything in those S.F. bathhouses, where you seem to spend a lot of time.

I still wonder what would happen to the United States, if every prosecutor and judge quit rather than take this case, or any other case where there was a proven threat.

I don't know but something tells me we'd turn into Mexico

 

[sidewaysil80]

I would and I'm sure the Fed would have given them what ever it took, they would not have traded away the integrity of the system so easily, you seem to forget, or are just poorly informed, this coward had full time U.S. Marshalls protecting him, maybe they don't report everything in those S.F. bathhouses, where you seem to spend a lot of time. Only a complete fool would think the Justice Dept would not have provided big time protection for this guy and his family, your little sissy post makes it seem like you don't think they would have. Allow me to once again help you, I believe our Fed LE is the most capable LE agency in the world when it comes to armed protection, short term, long term, one guy, one family etc. None Better. Your stupid little post show you to be the fool you are. I still wonder what would happen to the United States, if every prosecutor and judge quit rather than take this case, or any other case where there was a proven threat. The criminals would take over the justice dept, in very short orderk, thank God for our cops/prosecutors/judges that are not cowards, and do the job for which they are paid.

If that's case how come 3 people associated with the case thus far are dead? 1 spouse, 2 officials...why weren't they protecting people after the first murder?

 

[kraigWY]

If that's case how come 3 people associated with the case thus far are dead? 1 spouse, 2 officials...why weren't they protecting people after the first murder?

Why didn't they have a pistol/revolver, learned to use it, and protect themselves and spouses? No body will care for and protect your family like you.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Why didn't they have a pistol/revolver, learned to use it, and protect themselves and spouses? No body will care for and protect your family like you.

The threat looks to be a bit more like somebody who knows what they are doing. The last guy killed was at the gun store the day before looking for guns for his staff & from what I heard had guns himself already.

The problem is that most people both civilian and LE are prepared / used to dealing with stupid idiot criminals or lone deranged people, and that is vastly different from having a team/group of people who have a much better idea of what they are doing that are on a mission / job to take you out, and take the time to study your movements and plan their action & exit.

My guess is this is about something that nobody is talking in detail about, be it a Drug smuggling route, or gang control of an area, etc. as it is way too calculated and semi-professional looking to be just a single random person with a personal grudge. That was I think, the mistake that was made in the first shooting, assuming it was something personal about a single case.

Having a gun is better than nothing but the odds are still pretty bad unless you have other people with guns actively watching you and hunting for those hunting you a bit more direct / openly.
I think about now everybody has gotten the point and steps are being taken to provide much better, active protection for those who may be at risk.

This would be a great opportunity for the local Sherriff to reach out to the local citizenry as I would assume there are many well armed freedom loving citizens in the local area who would be willing to help provide additional equipped / armed manpower to the county at little to no cost, unfortunately I doubt it will happen that way as it seems the days of everybody being in it together are a distant memory, replaced with a mutual lack of trust.

 

[pawprint2]

A small quote from Fox news, same thing reported on numerous other sources:
The murders in Kaufman County have prompted tighter security for a number of other prosecutors in the state of Texas, including Harris County District Attorney Mike Anderson.

A high-profile attorney told MyFoxHouston.com that he started seeing a group of U.S. Marshals escorting Hileman around the city two months ago, which coincided with the Jan. 31 murder of Hasse

Read more: Federal prosecutor quits racketeering case, as Texas DA murders spark security fears | Fox News
It looks like he [the former AUSA] had U.S. Marshall protection for about two months, I don't think anyone really believes that the FBI/U.S.Marshalls/all of Homeland Security, would not have or could not have protected this guy and his family. The really sad thing is, I'll bet he ends up as a typical low life, sumbag defense lawyer-defending the very trash he "quit because I'm so scared" over. He just gave a course in how to screw the justice system to every low life gang in the U.S.. Instead of "manning up", allowing the feds to defend his family, and gone after the bastards that are behind this, his cowardly action has now put Every Prosecutor's( now and in the future) family at a higher risk. I hope I'm wrong about this guy, and he doesn't end up defending trash for big bucks-time will tell.

 

[Maggot]

Your estimation and respect for the prowess of Federal Law Enforcement certainly changed overnight

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...l-law-enforcement-fails-do-even-poor-job.html

ChaChingaling

 

[pawprint2]

ChaChingaling

To quote myself:
legalII seems to be confused, as I pointed out in a different thread - Fed LE fails to enforce the gun laws very well, and because of this - some how- I don't think they are capable of doing anything else-this is typical thinking from one smoking dream pipes, or maybe crack pipes. Let me clear the deck, Federal Law Enforcement fails everyday in a big way to enforce the federal gun laws, unlike leagle II, I don't think they should lie about it to make it seem better. When it comes to protection, such as the ability to keep witnesses safe, the president safe, SCOTUS, safe etc. I believe the are First Rate, Enforcing gun laws-bad, Armed Protection -None better. My opinions have not changed one bit, I believe you are confused over two different issues, put down your crack pipe-one more time, enforcing the laws regarding felons trying to buy or buying weapons, poooor job, ability to provide the best armed security in the world, None Better. Hope this helps, PS. there is help all over the country for those suffering from addictions, or other problems that effect their ability to use their minds, pretty good chance you could get help.

 

[Maggot]

To quote myself:
legalII seems to be confused, as I pointed out in a different thread - Fed LE fails to enforce the gun laws very well, and because of this - some how- I don't think they are capable of doing anything else-this is typical thinking from one smoking dream pipes, or maybe crack pipes. Let me clear the deck, Federal Law Enforcement fails everyday in a big way to enforce the federal gun laws, unlike leagle II, I don't think they should lie about it to make it seem better. When it comes to protection, such as the ability to keep witnesses safe, the president safe, SCOTUS, safe etc. I believe the are First Rate, Enforcing gun laws-bad, Armed Protection -None better. My opinions have not changed one bit, I believe you are confused over two different issues, put down your crack pipe-one more time, enforcing the laws regarding felons trying to buy or buying weapons, poooor job, ability to provide the best armed security in the world, None Better. Hope this helps, PS. there is help all over the country for those suffering from addictions, or other problems that effect their ability to use their minds, pretty good chance you could get help.

You should take your own advice. Looks like your addicted to your own confused opinions.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

When a quitter quits, it's seldom bad news for the folks who were counting on them. We are far better off without them in our midst; and nobody will ever trust them again. Benedict Arnold found that out the hard way.

Talking about history from 1776 has little or no bearing on today's world. Those people are long gone and we are not them. Today's issues bear only superficial resemblance to those times and troubles. Old advice does not resolve new problems.

The real problem today is that nobody will ever do anything but yammer and carp; as if that will make anything better. It's not that our government is hostile to us (which it is...), it's that we are complacent and morally inert. Until talk becomes action, we are nothing more here than a debating club. The real solution will come from elsewhere.

Greg

 

[Boogaloo]

I predicted more than a year ago that we would start seeing this kind of activity here in the USA. Sure enough, here it is. My prediction was a little more specific however, and since I live in California, I have to live with the total erosion of the constitution and moral compass in my state. I stand by my prediction, and suggest that we will start to see public officials/politicians (more specifically their families) threatened or killed in the near future over the attempt in this country to devastate the 2nd amendment. My feeling is that people have finally come to realize that the system is rigged, and that voting is a joke. The only option these folks (the despondent) have and will resort to is assassination. Mark my word. I think it is upon us.

 

[Phil1]

Last Updated 2:49 p.m. ET

KAUFMAN, Texas The wife of a former North Texas judge was charged with capital murder after confessing to her involvement in the three shooting deaths of the local district attorney, his wife and an assistant prosecutor, authorities said Wednesday.

Kim Williams was arrested early Wednesday, a day after she told investigators that she and her husband, Eric Williams, were involved in the shootings of the Kaufman County district attorney, his wife and one of his prosecutors, according to documents in the case.

The affidavit says Kim Lene Williams "described in detail her role along with that of her husband" but was unclear on who she said committed the shooting.

Kim Lene Williams and Eric Lyle Williams in mugshots released by the Kaufman County Sheriff's Office. Kim Williams was arrested April 17, 2013 in connection with the murders of Kaufman County District Attorney Mike McLelland, his wife, Cynthia, and Assistant District Attorney Mark Haase.
/ Kaufman County Sheriff's Office

Kaufman County District Attorney Mike McLelland and assistant prosecutor Mark Hasse prosecuted Eric Williams last year for theft of three computer monitors. Wiliams was convicted and sentenced to probation. He also lost his elected position as justice of the peace — a judge who handles mostly administrative duties — and his law license.

McLelland and his wife, Cynthia, were found dead March 30, two months after Hasse was slain.

The officer who signed the affidavit, Kaufman County Sheriff's Sgt. Matt Woodall, said he had learned from other officers and county employees that Hasse and Mike McLelland both believed Williams blamed them for the loss of his job and carried handguns after the trial because they thought he was "a threat to their personal safety."

Kim Lene Williams warrant & affidavit (pdf)

Kim Williams was being held on $10 million bond at the Kaufman County Jail, sheriff's spokesman Lt. Justin Lewis said. He declined to answer questions about the investigation but said families of the victims would be briefed on the case.

Eric Williams was arrested Saturday and charged with making terroristic threats. A probable cause affidavit says the ex-judge sent an email one day after the McLellands' bodies were discovered implying there would be another attack if authorities didn't respond to various demands.

Eric Williams is being held behind bars on a $3 million bond. Sources previously told CBS Station KTVT that Williams is also expected to be charged with capital murder in relation to the Hasse and McLelland deaths.

The official said ballistics experts were testing at least 20 weapons found in a storage locker under Eric Williams' name at a facility near Dallas. A Ford Crown Victoria similar to one recorded in the McLellands' neighborhood around the time the couple was killed was parked at the storage facility, the official said.

Jail records did not list an attorney for Kim Williams. A message left with her husband's attorney was not immediately returned Wednesday.
Wife of ex-judge confesses in Texas DA slayings, officials say - CBS News

 

[pawprint2]

Phil 1, thanks for posting the story, I read it earlier today. One of my first reactions was, I guess all someone has to do is mention the name of a prison gang, and cowards run for the hills. I know there are those that thought the AUSA was "in the know", so even with the U.S. Marshall service providing full time protection, he[the AUSA] knew it wasn't enough for him or his family! Looks like it wasn't a prison gang after all! But, she almost go away with it, all she had to do was start the rumor, and that was it. In fact, on this very board, there were a number of people that thought the cowardly conduct of the AUSA was right on, of course they mentioned family a few times etc. I wonder if they still feel the same way. From now on, just the mention of a prison gang will in fact get many lawyers to quit their jobs, etc. I never really expected much from card carrying ACLU commies to start with, but this really lifted the curtain!!