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    No One Wants Crazy People To Have Guns, But Who Decides Who Is Crazy?
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    By Jack Donovan On April 20, 2013 · Add Comment .
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    It sounds like a common sense measure.

    Keep guns out of the hands of people who are “unstable.”

    You don’t want people who might “snap” to have access to an arsenal, right?

    To anyone who opposes tighter restrictions on gun sales, especially to those deemed “mentally ill,” police state progressives will respond:

    “So you want crazy people to have free access to guns?”

    Well, no. Of course not. No one wants some freak who hears voices and thinks the neighbor’s dog is the Devil to be sitting at his windowsill rubbing himself as he moves a holographic reticle over the bodies of strangers taking a walk in the park.

    The problem isn’t whether or not lunatics should be able to go on wild-eyed, no-questions-asked shopping sprees at the local gun shop, giddily fondling armor piercing rounds and drooling all over high capacity magazines.

    The problem is: who decides who is a nut?

    The answer, unfortunately, is politically progressive women.

    According to a 2011 article released by the American Psychological Association, the new “experts” in psychology—people who have earned PhDs—are now over 60% women in every area of study but cognitive psychology. There are dramatically more female PhDs in developmental, family, clinical, counseling and “social and personality” fields.

    What’s more, these women and many of their male counterparts overwhelmingly belong to the same political demographic that wants to ban or reduce access to firearms for everyone. As many as 80% of psychology professors identify as Democrats or politically “liberal.” In a New York Times article, social psychologist Jonathan Haidt argued that social psychologists have become a “tribal-moral community.”


    “If a group circles around sacred values, they will evolve into a tribal-moral community,” he said. “They’ll embrace science whenever it supports their sacred values, but they’ll ditch it or distort it as soon as it threatens a sacred value.” It’s easy for social scientists to observe this process in other communities, like the fundamentalist Christians who embrace “intelligent design” while rejecting Darwinism.”

    Listen to Haidt’s speech on “Post-Partisan Psychology” here.

    Chances are that these women and their progressive male colleagues — who will be consulted as “experts” by lawyers, judges, policy-makers, doctors, law enforcement officers and the media to determine who is mentally “healthy” and who is mentally “unfit” to own a weapon –will live in a gun-free household. One survey said that 40% of male Democrats and 24% of female Democrats are said to live in a household with a gun. When broken down according to who actually owns the guns in any given household, a more recent survey showed that only 12% of American women own guns, and only 32% of all self-identified Democrats own guns.

    There is every reason to assume that an industry dominated by female Democrats, and which has demonstrated a willingness to discriminate against socially and politically conservative peers in academia, will also demonstrate bias against patients and subjects who hold views and values that run contrary to the interests of their own “tribal-moral community.”

    So many ideological positions have already been tagged as “phobias.” Homophobia, xenophobia, Islamophobia, transphobia. It’s easy to pathologize someone else’s concerns or dismiss them as “irrational,” especially if you don’t share the same concerns. Especially if what they think is bad is something you think is good. Big-government advocates believe that their political opponents have an irrational fear of government regulation and aggression. People who don’t go with the flow are routinely dismissed as kooks and conspiracy theorists. Those on the right in America are often referred to as “wing-nuts.”

    How hard would it be for a female psychologist to perceive “preppers,” for instance, to be suffering from some “paranoid delusion?”

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    It would seem perfectly rational for a well-to-do female Democrat who has never owned, lived with, or even fired a gun to regard virtually all men who invest a lot of time and money in firearms as suffering from some sort of inadequacy or paranoia.


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    Pre-PC masculinity (meaning: masculinity) itself is characterized by feminist psychologists and sociologists as being a “tough guise” adopted to deal with irrational fears.

    The mental health industry provides a convenient backdoor workaround for police state progressives who want to disarm the (predominantly white) men who oppose their ideological agenda.

    It sounds reasonable to say that the mentally ill shouldn’t have access to guns, but taking greater measures to prevent the mentally ill from having guns increases the ability of progressive women to disarm men who don’t share their views or tell them what they want to hear. “Common sense” measures like this create more ways for America’s corrupt police state to call on these women to silence, discredit, and disarm perceived enemies of the police state.

    In fact, referring to the American government as a “corrupt police state” could be enough for any Obama-worshiping progressive woman to characterize me as a “dangerous, paranoid extremist.”

    What’s to stop them from characterizing YOU as a “dangerous, paranoid extremist?”



    After writing this, I decided to send $20 to Gun Owners of America, “The Only No-Compromise Gun Lobby in Washington.”

    I’m not much for political action, because I understand that elites manage our choices, but lobby groups fuck with their official narrative in helpful way.
     
    Another thing I have wondered is when/if BATFE re-defines what constitutes a drug addict. If they decide that people taking sleep meds, anti-depressants, or many other meds are now addicts, then there would be an entire class of new people prohibited use or possession of firearms. and Then there are those on some pain meds, or medical marijuana they could go after. And all it takes is someone telling them to re-define what constitutes addiction.
     
    The Demorats may have lost the first round but they won't give up and women never give up a fight until they have won. I am speaking from experience here. I will join Gun Owners of America too.
    No I am not paranoid even though every one is out to get me.
     
    Funny, not in a haha kinda way, that you should post this. I had a friend who is a criminal psychologist tell me this week that all the distrust us gun nuts have of the common sence measures that have been proposed as being paranoia. My reply was we are not paranoid, we just do not trust people who use tragedies such as Sandy Hook to try and take away the 2 nd Amendment. Thanks for the article Maggot, they are not giving up on the war on the 2nd Amendment simply because they lost a battle, they are dug in for the long haul.
     
    America has millions of kids on various drugs "due to ADD" and the like. I've been wondering if, as the public school records show the pupil was on these drugs etc. when reaching 18-21 (long gun-handgun) purchasing age, will this keep them from buying/owning a firearm? It's amazing how many kids are taking these drugs because a teacher thinks they need it! Evidently public school teachers are now prescribing physicians, or at the minimum-consulting in order to get kids drugs.
     
    America has millions of kids on various drugs "due to ADD" and the like. I've been wondering if, as the public school records show the pupil was on these drugs etc. when reaching 18-21 (long gun-handgun) purchasing age, will this keep them from buying/owning a firearm? It's amazing how many kids are taking these drugs because a teacher thinks they need it! Evidently public school teachers are now prescribing physicians, or at the minimum-consulting in order to get kids drugs.

    Do you really want someone that has been on mind altering drugs all their life to have access?
    Giving to a kid is different than adult, the male brain doesn't full mylenate till 24-26 yrs old. Meaning the brain wiring is altered. They will never tell you this but it is what happens.
     
    Do you really want someone that has been on mind altering drugs all their life to have access?
    Giving to a kid is different than adult, the male brain doesn't full mylenate till 24-26 yrs old. Meaning the brain wiring is altered. They will never tell you this but it is what happens.

    Just what the big drug companies want...get them hooked early and keep them on it all their lives....and make anything that will really help illegal. ChaChing.
     
    So what should be done about the people that are paranoid about the people that have firearms? Irony at its finest.
     
    There is no due process when someone like Finstein declares,"...The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this." - DIRECT video quote, Feinstein

    Maggot, in California, the Police/State Police, CBI, LEO agencies ARE kicking down dorrs in the night, and forcibly removing ANY AND ALL firearms from residences where military veterans are living. ALL guns. Those owned by the Veteran, those owned by family. any in the house if that vet has been declared to have PTSD or some other mental issue. This is a fact of public record.

    If we leave it up to the professionals, they would say ALL MEN are the issue and 'can snap', while exempting all women who we KNOW go through hormonal imbalances and act extremely unreasonably(also insane) for one to two weeks a month. Feinstein infers that ALL Veterans are deficient but veteran police are not. Many have stated,"Oh they won't come kick in doors or anything, that's craziness"(this is usually a liberal making this statement to a conservative who mentions it), but the fact is THEY ARE ALREADY DOING IT
    and they are DOING IT WITHOUT DUE PROCESS
     
    Just what the big drug companies want...get them hooked early and keep them on it all their lives....and make anything that will really help illegal. ChaChing.

    you hit the nail on the head, i think i wasn't fully clear in my post, but they're in essence preemptively disqualifying a large portion of the population...kids are hyper, they fight, they get dirty, eat dirt etc...i don't know why you would want a semi-comatose kid all drugged up, plus i think statistically the large majority of mass shooters have been on some form of pill since a young age
     
    This has always been the threat, and as I have said elsewhere, the writing has been on the wall for a long long time. I predict you will need to go get a certificate from a shrink if you want to buy a gun. Predictably, the shrink will say you are crazy for wanting to have a gun, so you won't get the certificate.

    This is more of the same desire to scientifically control society. Look all around you, and you will see that people have outsourced every responsibility to any department, agency or charlatan who claims to be an expert. This is just an extension of that.

    The problem here is that you can never know what is truly in another man's secret heart and there's no piece of paper on the wall of any quack's office that is going to make them a better judge of anyone's secret heart.
     
    Switchblade's post nails what I worry about. as long as any bureaucrat can redefine what constitutes addiction, or mental illness, we remain subject to the whims of those who would impose their values on us. What I would prefer is a solid objective set of criteria for all those definitions that can only be changed by the law, and not subject be subject to a redefinition whenever there is a change in administration, or a shift in the winds of a politically correct definition.
     
    Remember Feinstein's OTHER QUOTE,"If I could just take them all away, Mr. and Mrs. America turn them all in, I would!"
    Her and her harpy's in California(Boxer, Brown, et al) have been on this path since they somehow got California to enact their AW Ban in '89(WHAT a huge clusterfuck THAT was/is...several thousand people made criminal due to bad paper and DOJ tossing said bad paper due to LEO agency ineptness and fascimilating ONE paper with a single ID number)
    If anyone of those people, myself included if I go back, gets pulled into court, the fact that DOJ tossed out hard paper on several thousand guns/people instead of sending a new paper and saying refill this out, your local PD screwed up, it would go all the way to at least appellate courts to be heard since the screw up is on the state.
    If these people who get their doors kicked in ever start shooting back, California is going to explode. If that hgappens, I may as well go on back because I KNOW family will jump in and if those non trained (brother, Pop) fuckers think they are doing it without me they are wrong. Shoot, have a civil insurrection involving guns and fighting and DON'T invite me? Screw THAT! :D
     
    Funny, not in a haha kinda way, that you should post this. I had a friend who is a criminal psychologist tell me this week that all the distrust us gun nuts have of the common sence measures that have been proposed as being paranoia. My reply was we are not paranoid, we just do not trust people who use tragedies such as Sandy Hook to try and take away the 2 nd Amendment. Thanks for the article Maggot, they are not giving up on the war on the 2nd Amendment simply because they lost a battle, they are dug in for the long haul.

    Because he sees "assault weapons" bans as a minor inconvenience. He fees there is no "need" for 30 round magazines. He is not a gun owner. It's a fact that politicians will use more gun laws more gun restrictions to pander to the public. To their political base.

    Just as gun owners see Cops as the enemy of gun ownership. Its POLITICIANS that destroy gun ownership rights. The Sandy Hook shooter killed the gun owner(mother) and stole the guns used to commit his crimes. The Boston bomber perps didn't acquire their guns legally.
     
    America has millions of kids on various drugs "due to ADD" and the like. I've been wondering if, as the public school records show the pupil was on these drugs etc. when reaching 18-21 (long gun-handgun) purchasing age, will this keep them from buying/owning a firearm? It's amazing how many kids are taking these drugs because a teacher thinks they need it! Evidently public school teachers are now prescribing physicians, or at the minimum-consulting in order to get kids drugs.


    ADD/ADHD are only found in the United States. Wonder why that is?
     
    Because he sees "assault weapons" bans as a minor inconvenience. He fees there is no "need" for 30 round magazines. He is not a gun owner. It's a fact that politicians will use more gun laws more gun restrictions to pander to the public. To their political base.

    Just as gun owners see Cops as the enemy of gun ownership. Its POLITICIANS that destroy gun ownership rights. The Sandy Hook shooter killed the gun owner(mother) and stole the guns used to commit his crimes. The Boston bomber perps didn't acquire their guns legally.


    tell him there is also no "need" for vehicles that go over the speed limit either. Nor is there any "need" for disease causing tobacco, yet we allow those. If his logic is sound, it would stand to reason that anything not "needed" should be banned.

    then ask why he gets to decide what is needed, and what is not....why not let you decide?
     
    The sad fact is that 1 in 13 people in this country, has a diagnosable mental illness or defect. Stats says approximately 70% of them never are diagnosed and receive treatment.
     
    tell him there is also no "need" for vehicles that go over the speed limit either. Nor is there any "need" for disease causing tobacco, yet we allow those. If his logic is sound, it would stand to reason that anything not "needed" should be banned.

    then ask why he gets to decide what is needed, and what is not....why not let you decide?

    Alcohol should definitely be out. NO need for that.
     
    M1 Amen a perfect paraphrase for Catch 22

    Paranoia is an irrational fear of something and what it is U don't know

    Fear is object specific directed for what we have here..we know exactly who is out to get the firearm owner!
     
    tell him there is also no "need" for vehicles that go over the speed limit either. Nor is there any "need" for disease causing tobacco, yet we allow those. If his logic is sound, it would stand to reason that anything not "needed" should be banned.

    then ask why he gets to decide what is needed, and what is not....why not let you decide?

    Yeah, but guns kill people.
     
    I think all this just points back to the utter simplicity of the 2nd Amendment's wording, and the totally absurd can of worms that has ensued since congress decided decades ago that what the founders wrote simply wasn't good enough.

    Once simple matters are opened to interpretation, complexity and stupidity are inevitable. We get precisely what we have right now.

    Leave it to politicians to take a perfectly simple and clear admonition against government action and confound it with their consummate ignorance. What the founders wrote most clearly, the modern politicians have ignored most deliberately and intensely. I would venture to say that had politics never intruded, pretty much all of the difficult issues we have today would have never existed. I interpret this to mean that where politicians venture, disaster is bound to follow.

    Greg