Rifle Scopes Anyone try one of these Xtreme Hardcore Gear Tru Level bases?

[jlitalien]

I just picked up a new Viper HS XLR with a set of the Seekins matched rings. I am now shopping for a base and by default would normally go with the Seekins but I came across a base with a level in it and I'm intrigued. Does anyone have experience with this? :http://xtremehardcoregear.com/tru_level_pic_rail.html

 

[JaysonF]

That is a genius idea

 

[jlitalien]

Great idea, I just want to make sure that it's quality before I make the purchase.

 

[jlitalien]

No one huh? I guess I'll be the guinea pig.

 

[win.308stealth]

Can you post a review after you get it. Looks like something I could use on my new .300 ultra build.

 

[coanan]

Thanks for posting, on my list to buy.

 

[jlitalien]

Can you post a review after you get it. Looks like something I could use on my new .300 ultra build.

I'll post some detailed pictures and a review when I get all of my build items together. It will probably be 3 weeks or so.

 

[vivo]

Would it be difficult to see the level "under" the scope?

 

[jlitalien]

Would it be difficult to see the level "under" the scope?

Hard to tell, I guess I'll find out!

 

[jlitalien]

First experience is positive. I sent XHCG an email yesterday to inquire about a Mil/LE purchase program. I promptly received an email today from a staff member saying that they would extend a 10% discount. I called this afternoon to place the order and I was greeted by the same staff member that returned my email. Definitely a good start for a small company. I should have the base in hand early next week.

 

[ToddKS]

Ask them what alloy of "aircraft aluminum" the base is made out of. I am very cautious any time I hear that term as there are many different grades of aluminum used in aircraft construction. Some are stronger than many steels, others, not so much.

The answer they give you should be a 4 digit number followed by a dash followed by "T" and another 1-3 digits. It would be great if they said 7075-T6, but 2024-T351 would not be so bad. If they can't answer the question, return the rail when you receive it and move on. Don't give them any hints.

Softer alloys equals less machine time and material cost for the manufacturer. If a manufacturer is using quality raw material they typically want to advertise it. Look at the Seekins website. They clearly state that they are using 7075-T6 which is serious material.

 

[jlitalien]

Ask them what alloy of "aircraft aluminum" the base is made out of. I am very cautious any time I hear that term as there are many different grades of aluminum used in aircraft construction. Some are stronger than many steels, others, not so much.

The answer they give you should be a 4 digit number followed by a dash followed by "T" and another 1-3 digits. It would be great if they said 7075-T6, but 2024-T351 would not be so bad. If they can't answer the question, return the rail when you receive it and move on. Don't give them any hints.

Softer alloys equals less machine time and material cost for the manufacturer. If a manufacturer is using quality raw material they typically want to advertise it. Look at the Seekins website. They clearly state that they are using 7075-T6 which is serious material.

Thanks for the info, I sent them an email to inquire about the grade of aluminum they are using.

 

[Huckleberry75]

Ask them what alloy of "aircraft aluminum" the base is made out of. I am very cautious any time I hear that term as there are many different grades of aluminum used in aircraft construction. Some are stronger than many steels, others, not so much.

The answer they give you should be a 4 digit number followed by a dash followed by "T" and another 1-3 digits. It would be great if they said 7075-T6, but 2024-T351 would not be so bad. If they can't answer the question, return the rail when you receive it and move on. Don't give them any hints.

Softer alloys equals less machine time and material cost for the manufacturer. If a manufacturer is using quality raw material they typically want to advertise it. Look at the Seekins website. They clearly state that they are using 7075-T6 which is serious material.

^^^^ Good information here

 

[EventHorizon]

Ask them what alloy of "aircraft aluminum" the base is made out of. I am very cautious any time I hear that term as there are many different grades of aluminum used in aircraft construction. Some are stronger than many steels, others, not so much.

The answer they give you should be a 4 digit number followed by a dash followed by "T" and another 1-3 digits. It would be great if they said 7075-T6, but 2024-T351 would not be so bad. If they can't answer the question, return the rail when you receive it and move on. Don't give them any hints.

Softer alloys equals less machine time and material cost for the manufacturer. If a manufacturer is using quality raw material they typically want to advertise it. Look at the Seekins website. They clearly state that they are using 7075-T6 which is serious material.

I guess the more relevant insight would be if the hardness of the rail is fit for purpose. Does a rail need 7075 hardness? Would a 6061 alloy be just too soft? I love over-engineered stuff but that's because I've got little real world experience in applying my gear to hard use over extended periods of time but how often do people have catastropic failures of rails because it wasn't made of something like 7075?

What I want in my rail is for it to be straight. It's the quality of the machining that really determines quality of product IMHO because that's what going to affect the functional impact first and foremost. Not even 'premium' brands such as Near can consistently produce straight rails, I've had a buddy send his back for this reason. I would not be surprised that a large part of the after-market treatment of rings is actually due to the rails not being straight. A rail is foundation for your optic and the optic is the best means of elevating the functional ability of the rifle without smithing and all else being equal. We all know the effects on POI of even small errors when long distance shooting and so whether the rail is straight and what tolerances they hold themselves to should be the first QA question followed by material hardness.

Looking at the design, I'm not a huge fan of the level hanging so far back simply because I need a high cheekweld. On my T2A I have the comb on the very highest level I can get it and the bolt only just clears for easy removal. With that overhang from the level there might be issues with removing the bolt in my case.

Regardless, I'd be interested in your field report and hope the rail is good value for your money.

 

[turbo54]

Personally, I won't consider that product until they add "to the maxxx super duper wicked" to the name.

Just me...

 

[2Shots]

Can't see it unless you take your cheek off the stock and look, then you broke your hold. I use the swing out us optics on the left side, you can take a glance before breaking the shot. And us old guys would need glasses to see that close!

 

[jlitalien]

Quick update about the aluminum. Yesterday I sent an email to inquire about the grade of aluminum and this what the response:

"Right now we use 6061-T6. I was just told we will be changing to 7075-T6 sometime in the future."

Personally, I won't consider that product until they add "to the maxxx super duper wicked" to the name.

Just me...

This cracks me up!

Can't see it unless you take your cheek off the stock and look, then you broke your hold. I use the swing out us optics on the left side, you can take a glance before breaking the shot. And us old guys would need glasses to see that close!

Valid point sir. If it doesn’t work out well I’ll end up with a Seekins and a swing out.

 

[Atanasius]

I use Spuhr, which has integrated level on it's back. It is so close to the eye that you have to move back. That's why I use Holland`s level mounted on the scope, I can check it anytime with me left eye without changing position.

 

[jlitalien]

Well, the base is going back. The machining is ok, but not great. This didn't bother me too much but then I put the base on several flat surfaces and it's got a horrible wobble. No need to break out the calipers, this thing is not true... Oh well, ordering the Seekins today and sticking with the USO swing out.

 

[R6Hybridd]

Personally, I won't consider that product until they add "to the maxxx super duper wicked" to the name.

Just me...

For me it has to be a "game changer."

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

I know this is an old post, but I wanted to chime in. I received my Xtreme Hardcore Gear base today. I also noticed the "wobble" you speak of. My rifle will be here tomorrow, so I am going to set it on top of the action and see if it still has the same wobble. If it is the same, then I am going to send it back. If not, it's going on the gun.

 

[Car6on14]

did it wobble?, I was also considering one of these...

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

I never made it that far, the rail had a lug on it that would not work with my rifle. I sent it back and bought an EGW.

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[Scimitar]

I love the idea, just not the follow through. Saw one myself and the machining and duburring left quite a bit to be desired