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so I was at wally world today browsing around the hunting section when I noticed in the gun case there was a remmy 700 with a scope mounted for $419.00. isn't that a little cheap? I heard a while back that walmart had a deal with savage to make rifles for walmart that were cheaper quality so walmart could beat out the competition. if that was even true, could that be what this is?

the reason i'm asking is because i'm getting ready to build a 6.5 creedmoor out of a remmy 700. that's cheaper than I can find just the action in stock. but if its lower quality parts i'll just spend the extra money
 
Its a fine action to build on, alot of companies go cheap on the components for Wally World but they would have to retool (expensive) to change the receiver specs. Probably a raging POS stock and barrel.
 
A 700 is a 700. Walmart has something no other retailer has- buying power. That, more than anything else is why their prices are low. But, steer clear if it is not a 700.
 
Rather than supporting the largest importer of goods from China I'd rather spend a bit more elsewhere if it helps to support an organization willing to do things to better support those domestically rather than climbing on the backs of their employees and beating their suppliers to death to maximize profit. Seems like a smaller local gun store that is willing to give a good deal would do more to keep money local in your own community.
 
I've been eyeing one at the local walmart in a 243 youth with scope for 399.00 for another 260 build. Like stated it's hard to find a action for that price even used
 
I don't know about rifles but I do know what Walmart is like as a buyer of food. If anything, they demand a better product to be sold at a lower price and higher margins (for them). They're utterly vicious. I'd be surprised if the rifles are any different though.
 
You are right on, I don't understand how someone can get more for a used xxxx than can be purchased new. Perhaps they believe their ownership, some how increases the items value, who knows? I also agree with bh-ltr, eventually nothing at all will be made in the USA. I also do no believe for one minute the 700 rifles offered at WalMart have a "different" 700 action then one purchased elsewhere, that would require Rem. to add an extra production facility just for producing a different rifle, but still calling it a 700. I'd need some real facts to back that up, now cheapo stocks, limited calibers etc. sure, but not a new/different action called a 700, it just doesn't fit.
 
I thought I heard a ridiculously low number thrown out when it comes to the actual cost of Remmy making a 700 action. Can't remember what it was, but it was LOOOOOOOWWWW.....
 
Ruger's gross margins are 64% and about half that net. If you assume Remington is in a similar situation that would give some of room for Wamart to squeeze them, but they can't be *that* cheap to make. Maybe half of retail or thereabouts is the cost of goods sold - just speculating here, but I bet that's about right.
 
Rather than supporting the largest importer of goods from China I'd rather spend a bit more elsewhere if it helps to support an organization willing to do things to better support those domestically rather than climbing on the backs of their employees and beating their suppliers to death to maximize profit. Seems like a smaller local gun store that is willing to give a good deal would do more to keep money local in your own community.

My local gun stores (LGS) are selling Winchester 308win 150gr PowerPoint bullets for ~$39.99 per 20. Walmart has the same ammo for $18.99. Guess where I'm shopping. Walmart also sells the colt 6920 ar15 for <$1100 while the LGS sell the same rifle for >$1400. Remington 700 generally sell from $600 to over $1000 at the LGS but I can get a complete rifle (with scope) for <$500 from Walmart. The scope may not track, the stock may be Tupperware, and the barrel may be factory remington, but for less than $500 out the door I can set up a new hunter to take their first deer. I'm pretty sure none of the above are imported from China (except for the scope). I'll support the little guy, but not if he's the one reaching for my wallet.
 
I bought one. Sold the stock, scope and rings for about $50 at a local gunshow. Got a nice stock here at the Hide. Took it to my smith, got a Timney trigger. Got a Shilen barrel in 6.5 and in a few months I will have a nice 6.5 x 06. Same 700 as any other and used 700 are $100's more - at least where I am, no kidding. walmart sells several guns but the 700 is about the best from the Savage Axis, Ruger American, Mossberg something or other....They even had a really nice 700 full wood, black tip, beautiful blueing for $899. I couldn't cut up a gun like that. But when i buy a 700 I am buying a Remington and it is a 700 - the x mark (not x mark pro) kinda sucks though.

I put 17 rounds through the stock 30-06 barrel, It was a "hunter" shooting about 1.75 -2+ inch groups at 100 yards on factory FMJ, with no load developement and no reloads.

For the record, in my area, Walmart sells rifles and the next closest rifle sales is 42 miles away. Cal Ranch in Flagstaff has 700's for $20 more - what is the difference? Big box = big box.
 
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It's an ADL, Remington makes them only for the larger chains. Walmart, Bass Pro etc all carry them. I paid that same price for mine at Sportsmans and ripped it all apart for a custom gun. Not a bad deal for the action alone TBH.
 
Yep...Academy here in Texas runs the same Rem700 for $369 daily and has a sale a few times a year for $349....Cant beat that deal for a 700 donor action....
 
Are you sure it was not the 770? Those run right around $350 bare here in Michigan so $419 is what you would expect in a package. Here we can't touch at real 700 BDL or ADL for under $600. Occasionally you see an SPS Tactical go on sale for $560 or so but rarely. If I saw a real 700 with a scope for $419 I'd be leaving with it!
 
I'll support the little guy, but not if he's the one reaching for my wallet.
This sums it up for me. All my lgs's have b!tched and moaned about how everyone needs to shop local. They refuse to accept the fact that I can buy the same product for less and have it shipped across the country and still save hundreds.
 
My independent lgs told me 6.5 creedmoor was a bad choice and I should buy the .308 they had In stock rather than have them go through the trouble of ordering what I wanted... I trust the lgs advice as much as I trust the advice from govt, and hell, last week I was looking at scopes and the guy had no idea that it was ok to adjust them...he acted as if it would damage the scope if I clicked the turrets. I've spent 3grand in that lgs this year. They don't give two shits about me. I'd buy from Walmart for an action any day.

And while I'm ranting; thank god for this forum, the last word for legit true honest dope on LR tech.
 
Are you sure it was not the 770? Those run right around $350 bare here in Michigan so $419 is what you would expect in a package. Here we can't touch at real 700 BDL or ADL for under $600. Occasionally you see an SPS Tactical go on sale for $560 or so but rarely. If I saw a real 700 with a scope for $419 I'd be leaving with it!

He's sure, because I just checked it out also. That's the price, and I didn't see anything suggesting a bull shit rebate. I feel pretty stupid now because I just $500.00 for a .243 youth model for just an action. Won't do that anymore. Thanks for the tip on Academy.
 
I just picked up a 700 ADL in .243 from our local Academy Sports last weekend. The price here in Alabama was $379. Still a great deal for a donor action.
 
Don't knock it till you've tried it!!!

Got one, stripped all the crap off and changed out the trigger.

If I do my part, it'll shoot .5 MOA and under all day long.
 
I got a SS ADL for $440 at sportsman's warehouse. The blued version was $419. Anyway, stripped it, put a new trigger on, pulled the barrel and sent a box of parts to C. Dixon :)
 
i think the one at wally is regular adl version. dicks is selling the adl varmint for 549 w/scope etc
 
Rather than supporting the largest importer of goods from China I'd rather spend a bit more elsewhere if it helps to support an organization willing to do things to better support those domestically rather than climbing on the backs of their employees and beating their suppliers to death to maximize profit. Seems like a smaller local gun store that is willing to give a good deal would do more to keep money local in your own community.

Amen to this brutha
 
Rather than supporting the largest importer of goods from China I'd rather spend a bit more elsewhere if it helps to support an organization willing to do things to better support those domestically rather than climbing on the backs of their employees and beating their suppliers to death to maximize profit. Seems like a smaller local gun store that is willing to give a good deal would do more to keep money local in your own community.

i support local only if they provide quality service/product and not overprice the heck of it. last time went to local, looking for ammo/guns, the same stuff they charge 400% more than wally world.
 
I think its time to start looking for others then. I'm pretty good friends with some of the local guys and I've had them take care of a lot of crap for me when support was needed rather than having to deal direct with vendors. A lot of times even when I've had to deal direct with a manufacturer they'll ship things back for me on their shipping account to help me out. Just so long as the people who are shopping at Walmart realize that they are sending a large portion of your money to China and they are getting huge tax incentives to do so. You're voting with your dollars and when you're not willing to pay up a bit for support or find good online resellers who are domestically based you're only hurting yourself in the long run. Only problem is it hurts us all a little bit too....
 
Personnaly, I would never support that corporation, they sell items cheaper because they can afford to and they put the mom and pop stores out of business. I would actually pay more for the same rifle at a company based out of the US.... just me though
 
Personnaly, I would never support that corporation, they sell items cheaper because they can afford to and they put the mom and pop stores out of business. I would actually pay more for the same rifle at a company based out of the US.... just me though

Really though, Remington is the Walmart of the gun world.
 
I think its time to start looking for others then. I'm pretty good friends with some of the local guys and I've had them take care of a lot of crap for me when support was needed rather than having to deal direct with vendors. A lot of times even when I've had to deal direct with a manufacturer they'll ship things back for me on their shipping account to help me out. Just so long as the people who are shopping at Walmart realize that they are sending a large portion of your money to China and they are getting huge tax incentives to do so. You're voting with your dollars and when you're not willing to pay up a bit for support or find good online resellers who are domestically based you're only hurting yourself in the long run. Only problem is it hurts us all a little bit too....
I believe you are right on, however; Say the same thing about rifle scopes on this board-then look out! I have more respect for those that don't lie about having sold their soul to china, than those that make something here in the U.S., but bring a bunch of other stuff from"off shore" (meaning china, india etc). If you look at their ads, web sites, etc. they are really puffing over how there xxxx is made here in the U.S., but if you ask about their other stuff that's where you find out what kind of trash you are dealing with. Bragging on the U.S., while in reality pushing goods made somewhere else-I wouldn't be surprised to find out, that maybe even a vendor in this site, or certainly in the gun related field is doing this on an everyday basis.
 
I believe you are right on, however; Say the same thing about rifle scopes on this board-then look out! I have more respect for those that don't lie about having sold their soul to china, than those that make something here in the U.S., but bring a bunch of other stuff from"off shore" (meaning china, india etc). If you look at their ads, web sites, etc. they are really puffing over how there xxxx is made here in the U.S., but if you ask about their other stuff that's where you find out what kind of trash you are dealing with. Bragging on the U.S., while in reality pushing goods made somewhere else-I wouldn't be surprised to find out, that maybe even a vendor in this site, or certainly in the gun related field is doing this on an everyday basis.

Agreed. I try to do my best and still yet when parts are purchased from Japan and assembled in the US like nightforce does and I think Leupold. That is still supporting a skilled labor guy doing some work here and its a larger portion of the money staying where it helps me and those around me. I see the reason that I like to keep my money local as a purely selfish one but its my money and that is the way I prefer to use it. There is no way in today's economy to not buy anything from China. But I prefer to support the local guys who are doing things on the up and up rather than the huge corporations who use lobbying organizations to make sure that they pay as little as they can in taxes and try to keep as much in profits as they can. This only lays their burden on the rest of us to pay.

~Brett
 
Personnaly, I would never support that corporation, they sell items cheaper because they can afford to and they put the mom and pop stores out of business. I would actually pay more for the same rifle at a company based out of the US.... just me though

Walmart is based out of the US, American owned and built.
 
Walmart is based out of the US, American owned and built.

And also the largest purchaser of American made goods. But everyone seems to ignore that fact.

The idea that Remington would make a different action to sell at Walmart is laughable. It would cost more to make a special action. They can sell them cheaper because they sell so many more than your local shop.

I have a build on an action bought at Walmart and if it isn't as good as any other you sure couldn't tell.
 
Well, I'll throw in my .02: Wally-World is an american company who has done a ton of good, The Walton family and WalMart corporation combined is among the top 5 most charitable entities in this country. They do move in to small towns where there is no job market and give people jobs.
That being said: they take those workers, pay them the absolute minimum possible, no benefits, no perks, then have the balls to hold meetings telling their staff where and how to get on government programs. They (as I recall) are exempt from Obama-care because of their lobbying in DC. They throw employees away if they get the chance, if the worker has gotten hurt. They send a TON of their money to china (still an enemy to the US, mind you) and they Viciously go after the Mon-and-Pop shops, to run them out of the town they've been in, sometimes for generations. Also, dont fool yourselves: If they could make another 1/10th of a penny per square foot; they'd drop the rifles, the ammo, and everything else in a gnat's heartbeat. They have NO loyalty to you the customer, to the worker, or to anyone else except themselves and the shareholders. Note that you NEVER will see a handgun there?? It was a PR thing back in the '90s They dumped 'em after they heard some news show was gonna do a special about buying a handgun through a big box store. Personally, I avoid wallyworld if at all possible, and it is very possible. It could be a year or better before I drop in, but Im close enough to a city to have options.

Round Here: The LGS is usually only a buck or 2 more than china-mart for fuel, and rifles are usually a wash. Infact: our CAL store runs those about $10 cheaper. Not a bad shooter, the .243 I had was just under MOA with the right loads. But the barrel burned out pretty quick, the scope was always crap, the stock no better. Basically Id've kept it for a builder, but I wasn't into LR shooting or building one yet.
 
I've got nothing against Walmart. More than one of my extended family are happily (more or less) employed by them. But I'd much rather support a local shop. EXCEPT - Why is it that the local shops are so often run by people with their heads up their rears? I've been told more BS by gun shop owners/employees than I can remember. "Don't buy stainless guns - they use cheap steel in those." That sort of thing. It's like it's a privilege for me to walk through their doors. Opinionated and ignorant - a bad combination. I wish I could say this is just a stereotype, but in my experience around the country, it's the rule rather than the exception. If you've got a good local guy, BUY from him - that is a treasure worth supporting.

The local Scheels, on the other hand, has a huge selection including collectables like M1's, Lugers, etc. , good enough prices, and fairly knowledgable employees. And they're actually nice and helpful. There's also a statue of Thomas Jefferson out front, which is a nice touch. You've got to work hard to compete with that.
 
Sheels and Sportsmans Warehouse are some of the very best "semi-big box" outdoor shops.
 
The cost of manufacturing an item is only a fraction of what it costs to get everything together and to the point of sale. Folks malign Wal-Mart (and other outlets) for their purchasing and marketing practice, then go elsewhere to buy comparable items for more; with no interest or concern about whether the alternate source is doing anything different in their own practices. You'd be surprised about some of those alternatives. There are few Boy Scouts in the world of commerce, and even the Boy Scouts aren't who they used to be, either.

Finding anything shootable these days is a crapshoot, and finding something that's affordable is even more of a windfall. Be happy for what we have, and reward success in bringing it to your hands with honest gratitude. There will always be folks who insist on looking a gift horse in the teeth. I like to call them 'conflicted'.

Buy what you can where you can, and leave the commiseration for the folks who miss out.

Greg
 
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