Rifle Scopes horus reticles????

[7.62_Reaper]

I have always been a MOA reticle kinda guy its just what I have been shooting since I started. recently I have been reading up on the horus reticles like the H59, H25 and the TReMoR2 (the one that interest me the most). I can see the advantage that shooters would have when shooting multiple targets at different ranges and having all the reference marks you could ever want not to mention never having to rotate their turrets but i'm just feel like that the reticle is just too busy.

does anyone here have experience with these reticles and could tell me first hand how they compare to normal MOA/MIL reticles as far as it would be something that you would have to get used to or was it awesome from the start?

thanks josh

 

[Hairball]

Do a forum search and you will find this topic has been debated extensively. Some people like them, some people hate them and others have mixed views. All comes down to what you like and what your intended needs are. Find someone in your area that has one and try it out so you can decide for yourself.

 

[Muskox]

I have always been a MOA reticle kinda guy its just what I have been shooting since I started. recently I have been reading up on the horus reticles like the H59, H25 and the TReMoR2 (the one that interest me the most). I can see the advantage that shooters would have when shooting multiple targets at different ranges and having all the reference marks you could ever want not to mention never having to rotate their turrets but i'm just feel like that the reticle is just too busy.

does anyone here have experience with these reticles and could tell me first hand how they compare to normal MOA/MIL reticles as far as it would be something that you would have to get used to or was it awesome from the start?

thanks josh

Your question speaks volumes. Since this is obviously your first rodeo, the Horus reticles would be a good place for you to start.

The reticles are based on MILs, not MOA. So in that they are no different than any other MIL based reticle. You have to have the money and time to learn to laser range find, and compute each shot. There is much less error as you are using real data, the Horus reticles will give you the most precise shots possible. That being said, if you have some experience with other reticle systems they are kind of intimidating to begin with.

Here's the Horus page on the Tremor. I suggest you read it and watch every video they make.

Horus Vision

Once you watch it all, come back and hit up the cornucopia of knowledge that exist here.

 

[7.62_Reaper]

thanks, I have already went through there site which is how this came up, I even played with their demo that teaches you how it all works and it seems easy enough. BTW how are their scopes quality wise or is there a better scope out there for the same price range?

 

[lapua31]

Many years back I thought I needed a scope with a h25 ret. Shortly after mounting it to my rifle, i realized it was way to busy and found myself looking to move on. I wound up with a p-4 fine after that and didnt find myself wanting. Now there are many more options for you.
If you already feel that thier reticals are to busy, it may only get worse from there. I found to many lines, dots, and hash marks only slowed me down and strained my eyes.
The Bushnell G2 looks to be about the perfect blend to me, not to busy and very user friendly.

 

[Eric B.]

It took me only a day to understand and fully utilize my friend's H59 reticle. Shooting in the desert gave us plenty of practice at varied distances and angles (using LRF binoculars W/ ballistic and angle compensation).

With trajectory and angle calculated windage was very easy to account for if the reticle is used properly. Misses got us right on with the second shot IF we saw the first shot hit and observed where on the reticle it landed. Yeah, I suppose using a Horus/Kestrel ballistic weather meter we could have had more first shot hits. (Windage is always my downfall. Seems one day I can dope the wind easily and the next day, even with less wind, I can't figure it out for a while.)

Anyway, using that first shot miss location of the reticle as our aiming point we (almost) always put the second shot on target.

So, for me at least, a Bushnell HDMR will go on my hunting rifle this summer. Long shots seem to be the norm when hunting in Nevada.

 

[7.62_Reaper]

It took me only a day to understand and fully utilize my friend's H59 reticle. Shooting in the desert gave us plenty of practice at varied distances and angles (using LRF binoculars W/ ballistic and angle compensation).

With trajectory and angle calculated windage was very easy to account for if the reticle is used properly. Misses got us right on with the second shot IF we saw the first shot hit and observed where on the reticle it landed. Yeah, I suppose using a Horus/Kestrel ballistic weather meter we could have had more first shot hits. (Windage is always my downfall. Seems one day I can dope the wind easily and the next day, even with less wind, I can't figure it out for a while.)

Anyway, using that first shot miss location of the reticle as our aiming point we (almost) always put the second shot on target.

So, for me at least, a Bushnell HDMR will go on my hunting rifle this summer. Long shots seem to be the norm when hunting in Nevada.

that's what I wanted to use it for, hunting, it just seems to me it will be child's play with this reticle if I just pare it up with a simple ballistic calculator and a good weather meter. all my shots are taken within 1000yards while hunting

 

[7.62_Reaper]

I typically don't shoot a fast moving target while hunting, slow walk yes, full sprint no, I much rather let it walk rather than taking a chance just to end up wounding it, I think im a decent shot but im not that good.

 

[Muskox]

that's what I wanted to use it for, hunting, it just seems to me it will be child's play with this reticle if I just pare it up with a simple ballistic calculator and a good weather meter. all my shots are taken within 1000yards while hunting

We have hunted with ours for a couple years now, if I had the finances I would own nothing but Horus reticled $4000 scopes. IF I HAD THE FINANCES

The naysayers don't like it because it doesn't look as easy as it is. Remember how cool Atari was in 1970, since then we have a whole host of improvements in everything, reticles are just the tip of the iceburg.

 

[Muskox]

DFOOS,

Never said you couldn't use it. Just saying it requires a paradigm shift in thinking. Most people are comfortable in their box.

One of our next purchases (my B-I-L and me) is a spotter. Right now we don't have all the equipement that would make it ideal for a two man team in long range hunting.

In my brain, the end result is more long range accuracy. Everyone else has different ideas, and I can respect that.

 

[Graham]

A Horus reticle is a great way for a novice shooter to learn how to use a Mil-based reticle. That's one of the reasons why so many people like them. There's nothing inherently wrong with them, but the reticle isn't a cure-all, and it's not even necessary to have if you know how to use a reticle. If you have an extra $400 to spend for the privilege of having one installed in a scope, then have at it. I used one for a year in competition and I liked it - but it was an H25. For anything but a specialized use I wouldn't buy any of new flyswatters that have the crosshair in the stratosphere or no provision for hold-unders.

 

[tylerw02]

I don't shoot in the desert at stationary targets. When and if I miss, I usually have to rely on the spotter to catch trace or catch where the vegetation moved. I really don't see much advantage to a Horus with all of the lines in the way. Its not that I can't use them or don't understand them, its that I do and don't like them. For now, I'm going to stick with H2CMRs.