Rifle Scopes H59 Reticle help!!

[drbroco]

Very interested with the H59 reticle but only seem to be finding it on Horus and Bushnell scopes.

1. Has anyone found other higher end brands that offer their scopes with this reticle?

2. Has anyone had extensive experience with the Bushnell HDMR 3.5-21x50?

2a. Is it worth the 1500?

3. Bushnell HDMR 3.5-21x50 w/ H59 vs. Leupold Mark 4 6.5-20x50 w/ either H27 or H38?

I understand the answer is most likely shooter pref, but would like some opinion / experience on this before I dish out big cash.

 

[mrbooks10]

Re: H59 Reticle help!!

You could always buy a high end scope (nightforce, S&b) and have the reticle switched.

 

[19Scout77]

Re: H59 Reticle help!!

S & B makes it as a stock item.

 

[Cmonroe]

Re: H59 Reticle help!!

Almost every high end scope manufacture has a "similar" etching to offer. Most list them on their websites, most also charge a premium for this one too. What application will you be using this rifle for? I'm asking because shooting holdovers through a forest can be very difficult for precision shooting and requires more training than one might think.

 

[drbroco]

Re: H59 Reticle help!!

Well I'm about to get out of the military and want to keep up the consistency. So basically alot of mid to long range target shooting, mainly recreational / preparing for Zombies. Will be mounted on a .308

As for the training, B-4 qual, we had an XM2010 when we deployed last and I really enjoyed the H58 reticle on the Leupy. Also, I prefer TMR over Mil Dot, for the single dot in the center and the hash marks make it a tad easier for me to range e and hold shots. So naturally after finding out about the H59 seems like the best of both worlds.

But again I search some more and do not find any other manufacturers that offer it. If I were to go to a dealer could I order a scope of my choosing w this reticle?

 

[MaximumVelocity]

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Schmidt & Bender offer the H58/H59 reticle. They are backed up right now so be prepared for a wait. Every once in a blue moon you will come across a Premier with an H37. A bit busy but I've heard rumors that Premier will offer H58/H59 in 2013.

A reticle can be placed into a scope of your choice but you will pay royally for it. The expensive cost is not associated with the optic but the reticle. The reticle alone is very costly and hard to get hands on at this point in time.

 

[19Scout77]

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The H59 offered by Schmidt & Bender DOES NOT have a dot in the middle of the reticle. But who the hell uses the center of a Horus?

 

[Nukes]

Re: H59 Reticle help!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ape</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Very interested with the H59 reticle but only seem to be finding it on Horus and Bushnell scopes.

1. Has anyone found other higher end brands that offer their scopes with this reticle?

2. Has anyone had extensive experience with the Bushnell HDMR 3.5-21x50?

2a. Is it worth the 1500?

3. Bushnell HDMR 3.5-21x50 w/ H59 vs. Leupold Mark 4 6.5-20x50 w/ either H27 or H38?

I understand the answer is most likely shooter pref, but would like some opinion / experience on this before I dish out big cash. </div></div>

Enamored with the Horus concept I too have been seeking opinions and scouring the internet.

First, so far after a month of inquiries, the consensus opinion is that some people like the Horus system, but most competitors do not like the busy Horus reticles and instead prefer dialing in their come ups. <span style="font-style: italic">Suum cuique.</span>

Second, what is available with Horus reticles outside of Horus and Bushnell:

<span style="font-weight: bold">Schmidt and Bender PMII 5-25x56 Horus 59</span>
http://www.eurooptic.com/schmidt-bender-pmii-5-25x56-l-p-h58-mrad-mtc-lt-ccw-ral8000-color.aspx

<span style="font-weight: bold">Schmidt and Bender PMII 3-20x50 L/P Horus 59</span>
http://www.eurooptic.com/schmidt-bender-pmii-3-20x50-horus-59-mrad-locking-mtc-ccw.aspx
<span style="font-weight: bold">also in Horus 37</span>
http://www.eurooptic.com/schmidt-bender-pmii-3-20x50-l-p-h37-mrad-locking-mtc-cw.aspx

<span style="font-weight: bold">Nightforce 3.5-15X50 F1 NXS Horus 58</span>
http://nightforceoptics.com/3-5-15-x-50-f1-nxs/

<span style="font-weight: bold">US Optics SN-3 3.2-17X TPAL (and ERGO) Horus 27 & Horus 37</span>
http://www.usoptics.com/optics/sn-3-t-pal.html

<span style="font-weight: bold">US Optics SN-3 5-25X T-PAL Horus 37</span>
http://www.usoptics.com/optics/sn-3-t-pal-1.html

<span style="font-weight: bold">Leupold Mark 8 3.5-25x56mm M5B2 Front Focal Horus 58</span>
http://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/mark-8-riflescopes/mark-8-3-5-25x56mm-m5b2-front-focal/

Lastly, my relatively inexperienced opinion (many years in other shooting disciplines, mostly T3G, but <span style="text-decoration: underline">very</span> new to LR/XLR). My Bushnell HDMR 3.5-21x50mm with H59 is only 2 weeks old. It is definitely worth $1,500+ (to me) and I like it... BUT... at twilight I found myself wondering if it was worth an extra $1,000 (Nightforce) to $3,000 (Schmidt and Bender) for illumination. Also, against the busy rocky hillside (no forest here in the desert) 800 yds. away, I wondered if I will still love the Horus concept a year from now.

Maybe we are lucky to try the concept using a good, but much less expensive scope, the Bushnell HDMR. Imagine spending $4,500 and later discovering you held the consensus opinion.

Meanwhile I ordered the high end scope because I expect that illumination mitigates the twilight problem and moots the "busy reticle" criticism.

 

[MaximumVelocity]

Re: H59 Reticle help!!

I actually bought an H59 HDMR to make sure it really was what I wanted. I refuse to spend S&B, Premier, USO money on a scope that I'm not used to. After working with the HDMR, I sold it and bought a Schmidt with the same reticle.

 

[mkollman74]

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I am a big fan of the H59 reticle. Some will say "too busy", I say "practical as hell". User preference, no big deal. As for which scope, well volumes have been written about that. Does anyone thik the HDMR is a S&B? Surely not. IMHO, that's not really the question. The question is whether the S&B is worth more thn twice as much as the HDMR. Again, IMHO the answer is no.

I've taken a HDMR w/ H59 through a season of competition on two different rifles, and to me it id without question worth $1500.

YMMV.

 

[steve123]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The H59 offered by Schmidt & Bender DOES NOT have a dot in the middle of the reticle. But who the hell uses the center of a Horus?

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Sometimes I dial for the fun of it and sometimes it's flat out advantageous to. We had a stage at the Scorehigh Challenge where you had to be standing and at the beep get down on the rifle for progressively faster par times. The last par time was 5 seconds. Usually the Horus system is faster but in this case there wasn't time to find the hold line.

I like floating dots. The one in the H-59 is a 1/4" so it's a good size. Big enough to see it well and small enough not cover up what your aiming at.

 

[33shooter]

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Don't forget the Leupold MK6 3-18x44 with H-58

 

[popndrop]

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I have the S&B 3-20w/ H59 and it is great. I also have the HDMR w/ H58 and love it as well. I have the H37 in a S&B on my XLR rifle, and I don't think I'll ever buy a scope without Horus again. I have had USO's with different Horus reticles and they are all pretty damn good.
For the money - the HDMR is AWESOME. Great piece of glass with an awesome reticle - of course the higher end scope rock, but they are 3x the cost. Buy the HDMR, my guess is you'll keep it - you may buy another scope later, but you'll find something to put the HDMR on...
As far as the dot on the top line - on paper looks like a good idea - but at distance, you're holding over, and that top line is way up in the air...

 

[MadKap]

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How does the generosity of the eye relief (eyebox) on the HDMR compare against the mentioned leupolds?

 

[hapadoc]

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I don't want to violate any of the board rules so this is NOT a sale posting... but we have three 5-25x56 H59 coming in this week at OGC Tactical. I'll post when they arrive. They were ordered over a year ago!

At least you know they are actually flowing so may arrive soon at other shops as well.

 

[CCCP2k]

The H59 offered by Schmidt & Bender DOES NOT have a dot in the middle of the reticle. But who the hell uses the center of a Horus?

Are you sure it is 59, not 58?
I would love to have this dot otherwise H59 is a little bit thick to my taste. By the way, anybody knows where can I find S&B H59 dimensions or they match Horus original specs?

 

[19Scout77]

There were a few that went out without the dot. If you get an h59 from sb it will have the dot.

 

[Pusher591]

Surgeon Rifles website shows they have a NXS F1 3.5-15X50 H59 IN Stock. Its $2900 though, IMHO Im not paying 3 grand for a NXS with only 15 power but it might fit your needs.

Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50 F1 H59 | Surgeon Rifles

 

[Diprivan1]

I have the HDMR H59, S&B PMII 5-25H59, Leupold Mk6 3-18 H58 , Leupold Mk6 3-18 Tremor2, and Nightforce F1 3.5-15 H 59. IMHO the HDMR is good for the money. However, I prefer the glass and weight savings of my Leupy Mk6 3-18 and my HDMR now sits in the safe. The Tremor2 reticle is fastest when dealing with the wind. I DON'T use Horus reticle exclusively, however, I prefer them for faster shots and corrections. For 1000Y shots and benchrest competitions I still dial it in and prefer other reticle's. For combat applications and speed Horus rules. Regarding ILlUMINATION, my S&B and Mk 6s are illuminated and it comes I handy in certain situations.

 

[Papa Zero Three]

my HDMR now sits in the safe

You want to sell it?

 

[Diprivan1]

Sorry, my HDMR not for sale: I'll put it in the wifey's rifle

 

[Jerry R]

The H59 offered by Schmidt & Bender DOES NOT have a dot in the middle of the reticle. But who the hell uses the center of a Horus?

Actually, yes we do. There were a few that got out that did not have the center dot or the dot at every two mil but most have been replaced.
This problem was limited to the 3-20's and has not been present in the 5-25's.

 

[RonboF117]

Our S&B PSR scope w/H-59 has the floating dot.