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fn spr a1 vs fn spr a3g

Re: fn spr a1 vs fn spr a3g

Garrett,

The differences are these:

A3G is full glass bedded by GAP. Its finish is phosphate. Has five-round hinged floorplate magazine. The optical rail is titanium. The stock is the McMillan A3 Adjustable in OD green. A3G is guaranteed to shoot 1/2 MOA at 100 yards.

A1 is not bedded except under recoil lug and tang (done in house). The finish is matte black oxide. The magazine is the four-round DBM. The rail is steel. The stock is the McMillan non-adjustable A3 in black. The A1 is guaranteed to do 1 MOA at 100 yards, but everyone I've seen far exceeds that (smaller groups).

The price difference is in the bedding, the adjustable stock, and the titanium rail. The bedding job is the only accuracy enhancement to get the extra 1/2 MOA performance. You decide if it is worth the price difference.

Semper Fidelis,
 
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I had to return two A3G's to FN. The first one was inaccurate, and after nearly a year, it was replaced. The second one would not feed the rounds off the left side of the magazine, and after returning it to FN for at least 3 tries to fix it, they finally said they would replace it. After nearly another year, FN was unable to get me a replacement rifle, so they sent me a FS2000, and an FNAR with some extra magazines.

I really wanted the SPR A3G to work out as I liked the rifle. But FN's production issues, and inability to get me a new replacement A3G after nearly year really left me with "issues" regarding getting any further FN products. I felt that civilian sales just weren't high on their priority list.

Bob Ailes at FN was fabulous to work with, but he doesn't control the production, and as much as he would have liked to get me a replacement rifle, all FN was able to provide were delays and more hopes to produce rifles.

I would look really hard into FN's production status before buying any of these rifles.
 
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Unknown,

It is unfortunate to read of your problems with FNH regarding the SPR-A3Gs. We did have some issues with production a few years ago, but have since corrected them. FNH currently has both the SPR-A1 and the SPR-A3G in stock and ready to ship.

If you are no longer in the market for a bolt gun, I still hope you will give us another chance in the future with other products. FNH is always striving to improve product performance and customer relations. I appreciate your patience and honesty regarding your experience.

Semper Fidelis,
 
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I love my spr a-1, I've done a little work to it to get it where I want it, but it shot lights out right out of the box. >5k rounds later and it still runs great. I recommend the A-1.........IMHO
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: garrett4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Besides the fluted barrel and bedding done by Gap, any other differences worth the extra cost. Tks </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Action Guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Garrett,

The differences are these:

A3G is full glass bedded by GAP. Its finish is phosphate. Has five-round hinged floorplate magazine. The optical rail is titanium. The stock is the McMillan A3 Adjustable in OD green. A3G is guaranteed to shoot 1/2 MOA at 100 yards.

A1 is not bedded except under recoil lug and tang (done in house). The finish is matte black oxide. The magazine is the four-round DBM. The rail is steel. The stock is the McMillan non-adjustable A3 in black. The A1 is guaranteed to do 1 MOA at 100 yards, but everyone I've seen far exceeds that (smaller groups).

The price difference is in the bedding, the adjustable stock, and the titanium rail. The bedding job is the only accuracy enhancement to get the extra 1/2 MOA performance. You decide if it is worth the price difference.

Semper Fidelis, </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">garrett4</span></span>,

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Action Guy</span></span> nailed the answer, but if you want to read the "fluff", read <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">"Precision Pair"</span></span>, which is an article that was published in the February 2005 issue of Guns & Ammo magazine.

The article is about the H-S Precision Pro-Series 2000 HTR and FNH A3 G tactical rifles that were both approved for use by the FBI. Good short write-ups' highlight the features of each rifle. Good read. Enjoy.


Keith
 
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My A1 that has been bedded, will shoot 1/2 MOA @ 200 yards with my reloads. FWIW. YMMV.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never saw one w/ a Ti rail???
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/test/model.asp?fid=FNF006&gid=FNG005&mid=FNM0024 </div></div>
I don't know if the A3 Gs' still come with them, but my A3 G came from the factory with a skeletonized OPS2 Ti rail. Below are some photos of my old A3 G showing the OPS2 Ti rail:

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">OPS2 Skeletonized Titanium Picatinny Rail on top of FN A3 G:</span></span>
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<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">OPS2 Skeletonized Titanium Picatinny Rail and 35mm Seekins LOW (.950") rings on top of FN A3 G:</span></span>
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<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">OPS2 Skeletonized Titanium Picatinny Rail, 35mm Seekins LOW rings, & USO SN-3 3.2-17X 44mm Lo Pro ERGO:</span></span>
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Keith
 
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Action Guy,

The people at FN were great. Bob Ailes and all the rest of the crew were the primary reason that I always tried to be a gentleman, be low key, and treat them with the same respect that they treated me with. I knew that FN was going through some union issues, then relocation issues, then getting the production lines up and running again. All these issues just hit at the wrong time for me and the replacement rifle (s) that I needed. I realized that Bob Ailes couldn't control the production line, or magically make rifles appear out of no where. No amount of grumbling by me would have made things any easier either, nor would my bitching or being a jerk have made a rifle magically appear.

Bob and I finally agreed on a mutually acceptable replacement with some alternative FN products, so I have no issue with any of that. I really wish that there would have been a way to combine the two rifles I had in order to get one that worked like I hoped. The first rifle was reliable as any rifle I have ever owned, it just had a bad barrel. The second rifle was stunningly accurate, but wouldn't feed properly. But, alas combining the two wasn't an option, and I understand why FN can't be in the custom gun building business, and that would have been what they would have had to do with the two rifles.

No one at FN ever lied to me, nor did anyone ever try to deceive me. So if you say that the production lines are up and running, and rifles are being produced, I believe you. I'm really glad that the FN SPR A3G lines are running again. If you tell me the bugs are worked out, I believe you.

A working A3G is a fabulous rifle, and is very competitive with the best factory rifles out there in terms of accuracy, features, and now that the bugs are gone, reliability. The two bolt guns I wanted to use as my bolt gun 308 "stable" were the A3G and the TRG22. I still have the TRG22, and simply got impatient after waiting almost a year for a replacement. So, I'm in the process of having a custom rifle built.

For the fellow wondering about buying either FN rifle, please keep in mind that all through my difficulties, no one at FN ever lied to me, attempted to deceive me, or in any way mislead or screw me over. I understand that they had some production problems. If a manufacturer is large enough, or around long enough, that will happen. But if FN tells me that they have the bugs worked out, I would believe them.

With all that said..I would suggest getting the A3G because you are getting a rifle that is already done being built..has already been tested, and confirmed to be a shooter. The longevity of the barrel was one of the reasons I went with the A3G..I liked the idea of a rifle that would shoot MOA for over 10,000 rounds. I got sort of tired of replacing barrels every 2000-4000 rounds.

The ergonomics of the A3G are really great too. Mine was just an easy rifle to shoot well. If I was going to choose one of the two rifles, I would go with the A3G. Although it didn't work out for me, I still think they have the potential to be wonderful rifles.
 
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My $00.02: Buy the A1 and use the savings on glass and brass.
I debated the A3 vs. the A1 and decided to throw the extra $ at a nightforce F1. Glad i did, as the scope/rifle combo is more accurate than i ever will be. Two f/tr matches ago at 1000yds, i held 9, 10, x, 10, 9 before a major wind shift, and i was pleased to be improving. My 800yd score was 144/4, my best ever.
I am satisfied the A1 rifle is accurate and durable, and i don't regret missing the extra attention put into the A3G.
All that said, i AM having upgrade thoughts on cheekrests, DBMs, and trigger pull. But even with the A3G you're only getting the cheek rest, barrel flutes, and bedding for a .5 MOA Guarantee, although, with my A1, the target sent with the rifle was a 3-shot .55 moa. Also, with either rifle, you're getting a heavy trigger pull and either a short DBM or the hinged floorplate.
All in all, the glass was the more important decision for me, and really helps the shooter push the rifle.
Forwhat it's worth, i do plan on sending the A1 to scorehigh in albuquerque eventually to have it bedded and the trigger pull reduced--but that's all. A 2 lb. trigger and a little extra accuracy for my A1, and i'll buy a MGM 12" steel circle for long plinking in the high desert. For now, i can hold a 24"x18" MGM plate out to 1000yd with this A1, and that's good enough for this guy...
Gung Ho
 
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^^ I'm with stray dog. Don't own an A1, but I do own an A5 (I would have bought an McM A5 for it anyway so I just took the short cut). This rifle is the same piece of kit as the A1 except for the stock. I know it is just bedded under the pillar and tang. The thing is wonderful, absolute tacdriver. I was fortunate and the one I bought had a .200 moa factory target and can say that it shoots much better than I do. at some of the recent Fclass matches I've shot for fun and trigger time have shown it doesn't give up much at all to a lot of the customs.

In addition there is a guy that shows up at one of our public ranges and shoots 100yd groups all day (boring) with a dead stock A1 and it really seems to put them nice and tight for him.
 
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The FN web site says the A3G rifle has a 20MOA steel rail on it. They must have either changed from the titanium, or it is a special offering item (titanium isn't cheap).
 
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Like others that have replied, I bought the A1. The factory target that came with the rifle was three shots at 100yrds with a group measuring .224. The gun's accuracy potential is way better than my ability to shoot.
 
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Unfortunately, the marketing people who put the website together overlooked the detail of the rail on the A3G. It is absolutely titanium. Always has been. It replaced the standard steel rail to reduce the overall weight for the FBI solicitation back in 2003. The other weight reduction was the 24" fluted barrel, FNH only offered 24" non fluted or 20" fluted until then. FBI wanted 24".

Semper,
 
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+1 for the A3G and for FN Service. Rock-hard rifle, great service to back it up.
 
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I bought the A1, bedded it, trigger job and shot it. I have not spent appropriate time and energy developing a load. I used my 5R load and shot groups under an inch. Key point for me was , chome lined and will be good for many many rounds.

I topped mine off with the new Bushnell tactical 3.5-21 with Goliath turrets. I named it THE HULK.

I'm putting a Gemtech Quicksand on it when it comes in and get a stamp. I'm guessing 2014. Ha
 
A1 : Badger CRES 20MOA Base , Glass bed on recoil lug , Detachable Box , Bull contour target crown
A3G: Ops Ti 20MOA Base , full skim glass bed , Internal Box , shallow six flute bull target crown

Triggers not a big noticeable difference. Weight difference marginal. honestly I went A1 but if i wanted an out of box similar to a3g id go Thompson center warlord.
 
The flutes on my a3g are anything but shallow. I was thinking the a3g action was trued vs. the a1's standard action
 
The differences between the SPR-A3G and SPR-A5 are these:

SPR-A3G is bedded by GAP in a molded in OD green McMillan A3 Adjustable stock. It comes with a titanium 20 MOA rail, five round hinged floorplate magazine, phosphate finish. It is has the 1/2 MOA guaranty. The barrel is only fluted, only 24" and only in .308 Winchester.

SPR-A5M has the spot injection bedding under the recoil lug and the tang. This is common on all black stocked SPRs. The A5M has the painted black McMillan A5 Adjustable stock. It comes with a steel 20 MOA rail, 4 round DBM or 5/10 round TBM magazine assembly, and is matte black oxide finished. Barrel lengths in .308 are 20" and 24", all flutted. All black stocked SPRs carry the 1 MOA guaranty. SPR-A5Ms are primarily available in .308 Winchester, but you can get the .300 WSM. It comes with a 24" barrel and the 3 round hinged floorplate magazine.

The bedding is the only accuracy enhancement the A3G gets that the others do not. The barreled actions are identical, except for surface treatment. Many owners of the black stocked SPRs find their factory spot bedding gives well under 1 MOA and routinely under 1/2 MOA. If a standard SPR is bedded by a competent gunsmith, they can expect the same accuracy performance as the A3G. Many standard owners don't see the need after they shoot their rifles.

I would caution anyone making modifications to FNH firearms to be sure you are otherwise satisfied with the firearm before removing any metal, bedding material, changing to non-FN parts, etc. These all will technically void the warranty. This is clearly stated in the Owner's Manual. If FNH repairs or replaces a firearm that has aftermarket parts or modifications, they will not pay for this work to be done again.

So, for example, if you return an SPR for accuracy issue related to the chrome lining and FNH determines that it is the fault of the chrome, they will likey replace the entire rifle. If you had that rifle threaded and a brake installed, had a tactical knob installed and a Timney trigger installed, you will likely get the brake, the knob and the trigger back in a box separate from your new rifle. They will not install non-FNH parts and accessories back onto the rifle.

If you send a firearm in for service, lets say it does not feed right, and it has an aftermarket trigger. They may repair the rifle and return it to you as original. FNH cannot return the rifle to you with the aftermarket trigger installed (for liability purposes). You can either pay for a new FNH trigger to be installed (you will get the aftermarket unit back separate) or ask the rifle be returned to you with no service done. My recommendation would be to keep the original parts (if you replace them with aftermarket versions) and reinstall them before sending the firearm back for service of any kind. Makes life easier for everyone involved.

I hope this helps.
 
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