Rifle Scopes Zeiss Hensoldt SSG-P Questions

[ColMortimer]

Hello everyone,

I've been looking at the site on and off for several years and finally decided to join. There are a lot of knowledgeable members here, so I'm hoping a few of you will be able to help me avoid costly mistakes. I've been a 50-100 yard shooter most of my life. I'm now getting more interested in longer range precision shooting. I've got more questions than answers these days, but I'll do my best to contribute when I'm able to do so.

I have a Zeiss Hensoldt SSG-P that I would like to mount on a Remington USR (with Mars rail) with a 20" 1:12 twist barrel. I know the SSG-P reticle calibration was designed for the 300 win mag cartridge. Can I anticipate any difficulties on my 308 rifle? I'll be shooting ammo between 168-200 gr.

I've heard criticisms about the height of the optic. The USR has a HS Precision stock with a adjustable comb.

Thanking you in advance.

 

[Spuhr]

Really a shitty solution.
The Height of the SSG-P is 48mm/1,89" and togheter with the Mars rail I belive you will have the most horrifying height in your state!
Even if you actually can adjust your comb up to sufficient height the buttplate will be so low that shouldercontact in prone position will be very little if anything at all.
So I would recoment you to find Another solution.......
Sorry

 

[Opticsspecialist]

Really a shitty solution.
The Height of the SSG-P is 48mm/1,89" and togheter with the Mars rail I belive you will have the most horrifying height in your state!
Even if you actually can adjust your comb up to sufficient height the buttplate will be so low that shouldercontact in prone position will be very little if anything at all.
So I would recoment you to find Another solution.......
Sorry

I agree, the ssg-p by itself is high, that would be an uncomfortable set up to say the least

 

[lowfill707]

i thought the ssg-p was just mil dot style set up? if yours does have 300wm specific reticle i would sell it. for what the scopes worth there are a ton of optics that would be better suited for the rifle, not only from the the reticle standpoint but height also. unless you have a bunch of stuff to attach to that rail system id scrap it too . thats just me though.

 

[ColMortimer]

Ok, so what would any of you gentlemen suggest? Top 5 picks please, FFP scope and quick detachable mount with proper height.
Thanks.

 

[Spuhr]

Depending on what you wanna pay and what magnification range you want.

Hensoldt, Schmidt o Bender , Kahles , or at lower price bushnell hdmr, swfa, etc.

But i would go for fixed mount.

 

[ColMortimer]

There seem to be many photos on the net with SSG-P's on similar rifles yielding satisfactory results. In fact, there are several photos on your website that have scopes sitting higher above the barrel than my "shitty" solution.

I need to be a detachable mount that holds a fairly good zero, which is why I asked for that recommendation in the first place. A 30mm for most of the optics mentioned, unless I go with another Hensoldt then 34. So again, any recommendations? No Spuhrs, please.

If any other helpful hecklers want to harp on what I already pointed out as a potiential problem in the initial post, then please be specific and technical with your suggestions. That being said, your top five FFP optics with illum. reticles and the ring heights for whatever objective size you're recommending for the detachable mount I need. As previously stated, it's a 308 rifle with only a 20" barrel, so it's probably safe to say 12-16x would be generously sufficient.

If I'm going to remedy this "shitty" solution and replace a very expensive scope that might potentially sit on a very expensive rifle, I want to believe I've got equally high end options. With that, I'd appreciate some high end and not high handed advice.

New to a forum, doesn't necessarily mean someone's starting from scratch. I'm still hopeful that another knowledgeable member will chime in with some sensible and useful advice. Tire kicking is a "biological waste" of my time, as is deciphering poorly written crap.

Nothing is ever worse then having to read through pages of meaningless forum banter, that more often than not, provides a lack luster answer.

 

[Spuhr]

Your scope buildheigth is 1,89" + your marsrail is building an extra 1/2".
That means that total buildheigth above a "normal" rem 700 picatinny is to center of scope abouth 2,4"

On a normal Tactical 700 users mount typically 1" high rings.
So totally is your SSG mounting 1,4" higher than it had to be.
That is not an advantage, and it gives an extreme height down to the buttplate and that will ruin your prone Shooting.

The SSG extreme height was done that way as they wanted it same height as Hensoldt NSV80 clip on Night vision.

I have NOT seen any mount in modern Times be 1,4" to high on any gun, ever.

Some guns requires high mounts as their buttplates and cheekpieces are high.
AR15,AR10, DTA, DSR, AIAW50 needs very High mounts.
You might have seen some of those on My page with High mounts, but you have certainly not seen any normal Rifle with so High mounts.

Highest we produce is 1,88" or 1,89" and that is espesially for those guns. But all normal Production is 1"-1,5"

Mostly serious long range Scopes today are 34mm and not 30.

My recomendartion to you is to take of the mars rail if you dont have a NV for it, as it's just adds weight and height.
Sell your SSG-p as you likely will get good paid for it.
Buy a new rail, fixed mounts and a good scope.

The coolest feature on any long range gun is that it delivers the bullets where the Shooter wants it to!
Mostly features on the long range gun is to make this possible, such as good barrel, tuned action and ergonomic stock.

In what way does a detachable scopemount enhance the hitprobability on long range?


Ps/ i have a SSG scope myself and have yet not been able to use it as it's to High for all Rifles i have

 

[ColMortimer]

Sir,
Thank you for the specific and technical response. I now understand that the SSG-P, no matter how nice a scope is not best suited for this application.

Back on point, I would like to keep the Mars rail and the rifle in the original configuration as sold by Remington Military. I also have the integratable suppressor, so the height of the Mars is useful in clearing the line of sight. I would like to purchase a optic of quality rivaling that of the SSG-P in which to mount on it. Unfortunately, I don't have another application for the SSG-P, therefore I will most likely sell it. So, if any members are interested or dealers interested in a quality trade, please feel free to PM me your contact information.

I would like a reliable quick detachable mount, as I have NV and other devices I occasionally like to mount on the Mars. I'm not shooting the buttholes out of squirrels at a 100 yds. I'm happy with coyotes and hogs at a few hundred yards. My experience with small arms at shorter distances leads me to believe there are detachable mounts that can provide satisfactory (while not optimal) results. I would like the best option in this category. I would think there will be fewer options for 34mm, but I'm willing to entertain that as a option and make it work.

For my information, why is a 34mm tube so much more advantageous and to what distances are we talking about? Which objective lens size would you recommend at the adjustable magnification specified?

Lastly and back to my original question, which FFP, illum. reticle scope options in the 12-16x, ring heights and detachable mount do you recommend for a Remington USR with a Mars rail? I'm seeking a innovative solution, which is right up your alley; but don't let that stop anyone else from offering their own version of good advice. It hasn't before...

 

[Lowlight]

Being brand new is great, arguing with a guy who makes "mounts" for a living, and by most accounts the best mounts about sight height is a not a good way to start. Especially when the guy is from a place that uses the scope are you asking about.

The SSG-P is a speciality optic, and not an "every day" scope. Especially on a non-dovetail system. (Not to mention your MARS Rail is another bad choice)

If you want a QD Mount, GDI makes one. Both in 30mm and 34mm and they regarded alongside Spuhr. You can get 0 MOA or 25MOA and with your MARS rail choice you'll want 0.

I love how when your idea of a solution is decried as a "shitty" solution, it is meaningless forum banter. It's your money to waste so if you want an SSG-P so bad, buy it and don't ask for advice.

Power factor on the optic has very little to do with owning or using it on a 308. 20" or 26" ... it has to meet the need of the mission. Can it focus down inside 50 yards ? Can it see well under various conditions. In some cases others might say a S&B 5-25x or 3-20x is a better solution. Are you shooting KD or UKD and if so at what distances ? If 99% of your work is inside 100 yards or at night, then you might want to look at overall size. I suppose you want a MARS rail because of NV, well a bridge mount is a better solution. MARS rails have a lot of issues that crop up. The mass under recoil, the tolerance to the barrel, I have seen them vibrate touching the barrel causing big accuracy issues. On magnums they shear the rail screws and come loose. (Seeing online and using one are two different things )

By the way, suppressors dont' get in the way of the sights of a rifle, a pistol sure, rifles not at all.

So your useless internet banter is actually feeding you solid information from great sources. Focusing on "shitty" and discounting everything else is foolish at best. If you can't handle the word shitty what are you doing putting a rifle like that together one might ask. It wasn't an attack on your manhood after all.

 

[ColMortimer]

Lowlight,
Dim it down and read the thread a few more times...more if needed.
1- No one is arguing with Spuhr. I acknowledged the height issue from the first post. What I "decried" (your word), and eventually received...was a "specific and technical" (my words) recommendation for a "shitty solution" (his words). I am pleased with his last response and hopefully he'll provide additional advice. Future customers may be reading. If Spuhr made a QD mount, I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one looking at it. Hint.
2- Spuhr is in Sweden and Hensoldt's which are made in Germany are used all over the world, including America. So, what's the relevance of that useless comment?
3- The SSG-P is designed for milspec rails (non-dovetail, to you). The Mars rail is not my choice, but OEM Remington Military. A poor choice or not, I expressed no interest in changing it in the above thread. I will, however, investigate your claims and reconsider that option.
4- Read the thread! I already have the optic. I posted the thread because I wanted to see how it would work for this application.
5- Unlike most suppressors which attach in one way or another to the muzzle, the USR suppressor partially slides approximately >3" over the 20" barrel. That is why this is a consideration.
6- You put together an entire post full of commentary, and provided only a single QD mount and scope suggestion which is all I asked for in the first place. Not completely useless banter, but pretty darn close. I'll be sure to skip over your other 8,000+ SH posts. Please don't respond to this one, I'll just have another one to skip over!
In regards to your expertise in the area of other's "manhood", recite the quote you provided, but obviously need reread it a few more times. "Watch your words...they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw

 

[Lowlight]

You're not long for this world, you need to do your homework...

With over 25 suppressors which I personally own including the one you are talking about, you're clueless. Even with 18" barrels you don't see the suppressor, this also holds true for shorter barrels as my 308s are as short as 14.5" with zero issue. Acting like you know what you are talking about isn't a substitute for the real thing.

Ya, I get it, I have at least 6 Hensoldts, including their spotters. If you up look the SSG-P on Youtube you see me shooting them on the Barrett MRAD.

In fact you're clueless on so many levels, which is probably why you spent that much money on the rifle you did... CDI Factor over actual use.

If you want to participate here as a newbie I suggest you figure out who exactly you are talking too.

 

[deadly0311]

The SSG-P isn't calibrated for any specific round. It has a basic mildot reticle. It will be super high on a regular mount and ungodly high on the POS Mars rail. I would suggest ditching the Mars rail and going with one of Hensoldts regular 3-12 FFPs.

My suggestions would be this.

Sell the SSG-P
Sell the MARs
Buy a decent quality 20 MOA rail
Buy a GDI 0 MOA qd mount
Buy a Hensoldt 3-12,4-16 or a SB 3-20 and rock on.

The supressor will not be in your field of view regardless of how far back over the barrel it indexs. From the sounds of it you have a dedicated NV scope and not a clip on. None of these devices will have trouble being mounted on a 20 MOA rail.

 

[EXTREMEPREJUDICE]

I'm still hopeful that another knowledgeable member will chime in with some sensible and useful advice.

Sir/Madam, regarding your issue you have received responses from three of the most knowledgeable members of the site (if not the planet.) If you are not just trolling.............................perhaps take a step back for perspective?

 

[MrSwede]

Damn this guy is retarded.

 

[ColMortimer]

Lowlight:
"You're not long for this world", really? Frank, your website is not built on catering to the whims of a handful of friends, it's built on the thousands of people who look and read it. I imagine, most of them would expect more from you. I know of at least one, and probably many more if this post survives, that probably won't be looking here any longer.
Deadly0311:
Thank you for your useful suggestions and plan. They are the best I've got so far. Again, my thanks.
Extremepredjudice:
That doesn't meet the definition of "trolling". Reminder: 5 scope/mount recommendations.
MrSwede:
"Retarded"? WTF? I do not believe you are not in grade school anymore, so why act like it? Not another "biohazard emblem", I thought that one was already taken...

 

[poison123]

jesus dude give it a rest.

 

[Spuhr]

Mostly long range Scopes today are 34mm because it's easyer to reach lots of elevationtravel that way, it's also easyer to make a strong scope.
Some like Vortex and the new Leupold are 35 and the new 3,5-26 Hensoldt are 36mm.

Why are you in an attackmode?
You have got plenty of good advices and still you keep your attackmode!

A gun, scope, car or whatever equipment are just a thing and nothing to get uppset about when this thing get well deserved critisism

 

[MrSwede]

Because he is retarded.

 

[scudzuki]

This thread is chock full of info and entertainment.

Joe

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 using Tapatalk 2

 

[ChrisF]

I looked into a SSG-P as the Germans use them on their AI AWMs , in conjunction with forward mounted NSV80 nite vision , this makes the scope very high .
Keep in mind that they have very very limited E & W , so much so that if you mount one on a zero rail , you will be lucky to get 1/2 the amount of E ( knobs about 11 mils ) , so you get 6-7 mils rifle depending .
As far as I know , the AWMs the Germans use have a 20 moa rail to allow the use of this scope .

So disreguarding the very high sight line this scope uses , it has very small actual amount of Elevation , and thats not really good enough when you look at other scopes .

So too me , unless you really want to build a clone of the German G22 rifle , forget this scope .

Later Chris